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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:39:10 -0700
To: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@SkepticTank.ORG>
From: Cindy Cohn <>
Subject: Re: Institute for Creation Research cult threats

At 09:41 AM 6/10/2002 +0000, you wrote:

Hi Mr. Rice,

I'm not sure I understand all of the facts here, but you should start with the website. We have is basic legal information there about DMCA claims and a form you can use to generate a counter notice.

Good luck,


> Greetings, Ms. Cohn

> It's a bit strange and I'm not sure whether the Institute
> for Creation Research cult has given me a serious threat
> of now however my ISP forwarded to me a complaint which
> claims to be from the ICR. There's nothing copyrighted by
> the ICR cult on any of my web sites however they're looking
> at a form I have up on one of my web sites:


> This form -- and many others -- provide checkboxes which
> viewers may select and then submit to my home computers.
> I wrote software which extracts the file requests from the
> forms, searches for and collects the requested documents
> from my home computers, and then sends the requested text
> documents to the individuals who filled out the forms.

> The ICR cult hasn't filed a DMCA complaint and I don't even
> have the cult's original e-mail to my ISP yet. When I do
> get it, however, I'll request a DMCA complaint to see if I
> can figure out what it is the cult is complaining about
> yet I don't operate a commercial web site and the cult
> must surely know that my web site is an educational as well
> as a consumer advocacy web site, not a commercial one.

> And in fact there's nothing even remotely copyrighted by
> the IRC cult on any of my web sites so I can't imagine why
> they contacted my ISP.

> I thought I'd drop a note off to your offices to see if
> you can direct me to URLs which cover what I should do
> beyond requesting that the cult forward to me a DMCA
> complaint so that I may file counter to it.

> Thanks in advance for any assistance and information you
> may be able to offer.

Cindy A. Cohn
Legal Director
Electronic Frontier Foundation
454 Shotwell Street
San Francisco, CA 94110
Tel: (415)436-9333 x 108
Fax: (415) 436-9993

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