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Creationist Cults

Date: 11 Jun 2002 11:22:15
From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@SkepticTank.ORG>
To: "Niles"
Sub: Fw: ICR cult copyrighted materials?

At 12:57 PM 11/06/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>> <laughing!> I didn't notice that! I'm almost thinking
>> that maybe he didn't know how. This guy doesn't seem to
>> be the brightest star in the galaxy.

>He doesn't have to be. He has god on his side LOL

Jesus will light his way.

>> I'll go check. Ah, yes, you're right, there's a lot
>> of information about the IRC that's from a lot of
>> different people and organizations. It looks more and
>> more as though his complaint is one of not wanting the
>> criticism on the Internet.

> I was thinking about asking him that myself, that could open up
> a can of worms. I don't want to seem oblivious of the fact that
> the texts in question challenge his beliefs, and I should probably
> just 'appear' to remain neutral on the whole topic.
> of course, he may have simply done a search on my name, and
> found that I'm a blatant athiest already.

You probably also watched the Harry Potter movie.

>> It's kind of hard to ask Mr. Gould his opinion now. }:-}

> Sad but true. Maybe someone from the ICR can contact him beyond
> the grave, and get his take on the issue. (ok, I guess that
> wasn't funny)

<laughing!> Sure it was funny! But you know, look at what we have seen in the last five years. Carl Sagan, Issac Azimov, Gould. Thinkers who can reach the populace are dieing out and nobody's taking their place. Ray Bradburry is still alive, isn't he? Richard Dawkins still lives.

>> There's a _lot_ of texts on my web site that cover the
>> IRC and it's a wonder he hasn't enumerated all of them.

> Like you said, he isn't all that bright.
> If you really wanted to have fun, I could write up a quick
> script on that page to to ip checks, and we could block his
> entire isp domain from seeing the material.

<laughing!> I had no idea that was possible.

> see no evil, report no evil eh?

Yes, you _did_ watch Harry Potter.

> Then again, this would punish others on his ISP from
> obtaining your material. still, it may be a suitable
> thing in some situations.

His problem is he doesn't want to see criticism of his cult and that's fine. But he doesn't want others to see it either. The poor idiot. When I inform him that the web page he's identified is created automatically by software I wrote and also contains a copyright notice by me (I'll attach a copy) I can imagine that he'll sputter a bit.

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