The cure for cults that want to deny others
their freedom of speech is more freedom of speech
-- Fredric Rice

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Creationist Cults

Date: 12 Jun 2002 21:14:25 -0700
From: "Jason Daniel Henderson" <jhenderson@icr.org>
To: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@linkline.com>
Sub: ICR cult copyrighted materials?

> Your previous E-mail to my organization claimed that one of
> the automated forms my software generated that's located at
> http://www.skeptictank.org/flist026.htm was some how copyrighted
> by the ICR cult.

You are incorrect. Here is what was sent in my first email:

"The Institute for Creation Research kindly requests that you immediately remove all ICR content from your site and stop distributing our material."

There was no mention of your form.

> Now you're demanding that all of the critical
> text documents that form enumerates which debunks a number of
> Creationist cults' deliberate lies and deceptions must not be
> allowed to be disseminated to the public. And you're trying to
> justify that demand by claiming that all of those texts are some
> how copyrighted by the ICR cult.

No, I am stating facts and asking you to be professional. I have linked and copied our copyright numerous times. Here it is once again. You are not allowed to reproduce our material. You can lie about ICR all you want.

"ICR's Copyright Notice: Nothing on our website may be reprinted or reproduced for other websites and media in whole or in part without obtaining permission from ICR. This applies to the website pages, content, graphics, audio and video, etc."

What part of our copyright are you not understanding. See talkorigins.org for professional critiques of ICR, AIG, etc. They include portions of our articles in their critiques. They don't just distribute other people's materials in whole.

> Have you ever heard of the First Amendment? How about the Bill
> of Rights? Does the name "United States Constitution" ring any
> bells? Have you heard of a concept called "Democracy?" Frankly
> it appears to me as though your complaint is a rather blatant
> demand that my organization cease its Constitutionally guaranteed
> right to criticize notorious Creationist cults.

You keep on ranting for nothing. As stated above, you may make false statements and slander ICR as you see fit for the time being.

> Since my educational, nonprofit organization has a deserved
> reputation for honesty and fair play, I'm more than willing to
> receive from you a list of specific file names and web site URLs
> which some how violate the ICR cult's copyrights and I would be
> more than happy to either remove them else make certain that they
> conform to U. S. Code Title 17 under the dictates of "Fair Use."
> (The details of which you may read for yourself at
> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html) Send me specifics
> instead of vague threats of intimidation decrying my Freedom of
> Speech rights and I will make absolutely certain that they are
> either removed or that they conform to Fair Use.

Here is the list as if you didn't know. Nobody has threatened you yet. We have requested that you respect our copyright and link to our articles rather than reproducing them like talkorigins.org, infidels.org, and others.

Jason
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Jason Daniel Henderson, Web Developer
Institute for Creation Research
http://www.icr.org/

IMP-184A.ZIP [7780 bytes] --- 'The Meaning of 'Day' in Genesis' by James Stambaugh. Examination of how the word 'day' is used in Genesis and throughout the Bible. Concludes day means 24-hour period in Genesis 1. IMP-188A.ZIP [16982 bytes] --- 'The Mystery of the Earth's Magnetic Field' by Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. Review of creationist research on the decay of the earth's magnetic field [it doesn't] and bearing on the Genesis flood. IMP-209A.ZIP [8183 bytes] --- 'Evolution and the Wages of Sin' by John D. Morris. A look at death, sin, evolution, and the Bible. How different, and compatible, are they? IMP-107A.ZIP [8147 bytes] --- 'Evolution Is Religion[sic], Not Science' by Henry M. Morris. The religious[sic] nature of evolution as expressed by leading evolutionists and the scientific irrelevance of evolution. IMP-218A.ZIP [7809 bytes] --- 'Hugh Ross, ICR, and Facts of Science' by James S. Stambaugh. An examination of the scientific differences between Hugh Ross and the Institute for Creation Research. IMP-220A.ZIP [8092 bytes] --- 'Columbus and His Creator' by Paul G. Humber. Christopher Columbus's views about the Creator and motivation for finding the New World. IMP-221A.ZIP [8228 bytes] --- 'The Bible, Creation, and Ecology' by Henry M. Morris. The Biblical basis for a Christian approach to ecology. Also critiques environmentalism and pantheism. IMP-249A.ZIP [9111 bytes] --- 'Darwin's Teaching[sic] of Women's Inferiority' by Dr. Jerry Bergman. IMP-251A.ZIP [8880 bytes] --- 'Star Formation and Genesis 1' by James Stambaugh. Examination of Genesis 1:14-19 and Dr. Hugh Ross' interpretation of these verses and the formation of stars. IMP-252A.ZIP [7605 bytes] --- 'Tree Rings and Biblical Chronology' by Frank Lorey. Using Bristlecone pine tree-rings to date creation and Noah's flood. IMP-253A.ZIP [7536 bytes] --- 'Geocentricity and Creation' by Gerald E. Aardsma. Review of geocentricity, heliocentricity, and Bible. Concludes [falsely] geocentricity is not taught in the Bible. IMP-254A.ZIP [40021 bytes] --- 'Out of Whose Womb Came the Ice?' by Larry Vardiman. An examination of ice core data, temperature changes, & precipitation in support of a world-wide flood & only one Ice Age. IMP-255A.ZIP [29563 bytes] --- 'A Practical Model for Integrating Science and Faith' by Stephen W. Deckard. How to integrate Science with Faith...and become a better scientist! Includes two .PCX files of figures. IMP-256A.ZIP [41064 bytes] --- 'Gravity' by Don. B. DeYoung, Ph.D. Overview of the nature of gravity and its relation to the Bible. Includes 3 .PCX files of illustrations and table. IMP-257A.ZIP [9014 bytes] --- 'The New State Religion[sic]: Atheism' by Jerry Bergman. Examination of the atheist views of several prominent evolutionist and their efforts to negate the influence of religion. DOP92-1A.ZIP [71967 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Winter 1992, Dec-Jan-Feb 1992 DOP92-2A.ZIP [71779 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Spring 1992, March-April-May 1992 DOP92-3A.ZIP [72588 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Summer 1992, June-July-August 1992 DOP92-4A.ZIP [72231 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Fall 1992, Sept-Oct-Nov 1992 DOP93-1A.ZIP [71463 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Winter 1993, Dec-Jan-Feb 1993 DOP93-2A.ZIP [72568 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Spring 1993, March-April-May 1993 DOP93-3A.ZIP [71890 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Summer 1993, June-July-Aug 1993 DOP93-4A.ZIP [70450 bytes] --- Days of Praise, I.C.R. Fall 1993, Sept-Oct-Nov 1993 IMP-244A.ZIP [5661 bytes] --- The Dating Gap by Marvin L. Lubenow. I.C.R. Impact article No. 244, Oct. 1993. IMP-245A.ZIP [6754 bytes] --- Christianity and Technological Advance: the Astonishing Connection by T.V. Varughese. I.C.R. Impact article No. 245, Nov 1993. IMP-246A.ZIP [6433 bytes] --- When God Became Man by Henry M. Morris. I.C.R. Impact article No. 246, Dec. 93. IMP-247A.ZIP [7919 bytes] --- Compromises and Consequences: The Genesis Account by Fred Willson. I.C.R. Impact article No. 247, Jan 94. IMP-248A.ZIP [8175 bytes] --- Would China Benefit From Christianity? by John D. Morris. I.C.R. Impact article No. 248, Feb. 94. IMP-250A.ZIP [8761 bytes] --- 'When Is a Whale a Whale?' by Dr Duane T Gish, Ph.D. Critique of recent reports of the finding of the transitional fossil of a whale. Institute for Creation Research Cult's _Impact_ article #250, April 1994. IMPR9405.ZIP [25868 bytes] --- Imprimis, May 94, Vol. 23, No. 5. 'The Real Environmental Crisis: Environmental Law' by Robert J. Ernst. IMPR9406.ZIP [41274 bytes] --- Imprimis, Jun 94, Vol. 23, No. 6. 'Education: The Second Door To Freedom' by Clarence Thomas, Assoc. Justice, Supreme Court of the U.S. and 'Capitalism and the Future of America' by George Roche. IMP-215A.ZIP [9889 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-229A.ZIP [10252 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-230A.ZIP [6861 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-231A.ZIP [10682 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-232A.ZIP [10218 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-233A.ZIP [98315 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-234A.ZIP [10444 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-235A.ZIP [9759 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-236A.ZIP [9690 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-237A.ZIP [10033 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-238A.ZIP [9519 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-239A.ZIP [28127 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-240A.ZIP [10171 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-241A.ZIP [10597 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMP-242A.ZIP [19112 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMPR9203.ZIP [31316 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda IMPR9311.ZIP [36751 bytes] --- I.C.R. Propaganda ICR184.ZIP [5140 bytes] --- THE MEANING OF 'DAY' IN GENESIS ICR185.ZIP [4865 bytes] --- CSA PATH FOR EXCELLENCE IN K-6 SCIENCE (Creationist propaganda) ICR187.ZIP [4803 bytes] --- CSWRITING OFF CREATIONISM (Creationist propaganda) ICR188.ZIP [5604 bytes] --- THE MYSTERY OF THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD (Creationist Propaganda)


Any text written by the creationist cult which may be quoted within this criticial examination of the creationist cult is provided according to U. S. Code Title 17 "Fair Use" dictates which may be reviewed at http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html


"You can lie about ICR all you want." -- Jason Daniel Henderson

"Thank you for your permission however there's never any need to. Creationist propaganda is already self-debunking." -- Fredric L. Rice

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