The cure for cults that want to deny others
their freedom of speech is more freedom of speech
-- Fredric Rice


Creationist Cults

Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:48:15 -0000
To: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@SkepticTank.ORG>,
Subject: Re: ICR cult claims you're violating their copyrights
From: "Jeff Lucas" <>

Thanks for the heads up. To the best of my knowledge, the Infidels have not received any correspondence from these people. I am forwarding this to the rest of our Board of Directors.

I'll let you know if we hear from [them.]

Jeff Lucas
President, Internet Infidels

"Fredric L. Rice" <frice@SkepticTank.ORG> said:

> Greetings, TalkOrigins and Infidels.

> This past week someone at the ICR cult sent my organization
> -- The Skeptic Tank -- a rather bizarre and disjointed
> complaint about one of my web pages which gets created
> automatically by software I wrote demanding that I remove
> it as they (the ICR cult) claimed copyright. The web page
> is a form that Internet viewers can fill out to request
> text files that debunk and otherwise criticize Creationist
> cult propaganda.


> After informing the cult that he could not claim copyright
> ownership on my automated forms I received further rather
> bizarre e-mails, confirmed that the cult was attempting to
> curtail my freedom of speech, and _finally_ after about a
> week received a list of text files the cult claims to
> violate copyrights on (they don't however. I informed the
> cult that I would examine each text file and verify that
> they don't. And in fact the cult has no way of knowing if
> they violate their copyrights since the cult never acquired
> copies of the text criticism so the cult is making unfounded
> guesses based upon file names.)

> Any way in one of the disjointed e-mails I received from
> the cult there was a claim that both TalkOrigins.ORG and
> Infidels.ORG violate the ICR cult's copyrights. I'll send
> you the entire e-mail later this evening however here's
> the sentence that concerns your organizations:

> > Here is the list as if you didn't know. Nobody has
> > threatened you yet. We have requested that you respect
> > our copyright and link to our articles rather than
> > reproducing them like,,
> > and others.

> Infidels.ORG has a solid and well respected reputation on
> and off the Internet. My intention is to publicise the ICR
> cult's demands for the removal of criticism from my computer
> systems however I'll censor your two organization's domain
> names when I do since such unfounded claims can be damaging
> to organization's reputations. But I thought it best that
> both of you are made aware of the fact that the ICR cult is
> making this allegation to other individuals.

Jeff Lucas

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