From: LARRY SITES                             Posted:  8 Oct 94  08:29
To  : ARTHUR BIELE
Subj: Grasse lie

What liar did you steal your quotes from this time?

ARTHUR BIELE to ALL on 10-06-94 19:55 re: "COLLAPSE OF EVOL." 2

AB>The Failure of Mutations to provide the necessary innovations for
AB>evolution!

AB>There are non harmful mutations, but they are insignificant in scope.
AB>For instance, Dr. Pierre Grasse writes ('Evolution of Living Organisms'
AB>Academic Press, NY, 1977, p. 88):
AB>"the mutations of bacteria and viruses are merely hereditary
AB> fluctuations around a median position; a swing to the right, a swing t
AB> the left, but no final evolutionary effect. ... No matter how numerous
AB> they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution."

AB>book quoted above, Pierre Grasse states (p. 103):
AB>  "The opportune appearance of mutations permitting animals and plants
AB>   to meet their needs seems hard to believe. Yet the Darwinian theory
AB>   is even more demanding: a single animal, a single plant, would
AB>   require thousands and thousands of lucky, appropriate events. Thus,
AB>   miracles would become the rule: events with an infinitesimal
AB>   probability could not fail to occur.... There is no law against
AB>   daydreaming, but science must not indulge in it."

Long ago and far away, Dave Mullenix showed how misquoting Grasse is a form
of lying. You are a fucking liar and a thief. When are YOU going to repent?

Message # 7171                                   Area :  54  HOT_SEAT
From : Dave Mullenix                             03-16-93  22:58
To   : Glen Davis
Subj : Creationist Quotes
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 GD>"Evolution is pseudo science."
 GD>
 GD>                               Dr. Pierre Grasse.
 GD>
 GD>   Theodosius Dobzhansky, in his review of Pierre Grasse's
 GD>   book stated, "The book of Pierre P. Grasse is a frontal
 GD>   attack on all kinds of 'Darwinism.'  Its purpose is 'to
 GD>   destroy the myth of evolution, as a simple, understood,
 GD>   and explained phenomena,' and to show that evolution is a
 GD>   mystery about which little is, and perhaps can be known.
 GD>   Now, one can disagree with Grasse but not ignore him.  He
 GD>   is the most distinguished of French zoologists, the editor
 GD>   of the 28 volumes of Traite de Zoologie, author of numer-
 GD>   ous original investigations, and ex-president of the
 GD>   Academie des Sciences,  His Knowledge of the living world
 GD>   is encyclopedic...

And in his review, Dobzhansky thoroughly refutes Grasse's mistakes.  Grasse
is a Neo-Lamarkian, a philosophy that has not yet totally died out in
France.  He still believes in the inheritance of acquired characteristics,
a theory that was refuted even before Darwin's day.  Grasse also realizes
that the earth is billions of years old and if you asked him how life has
developed on earth, he would list the same sequence of fossils as any
Darwinian evolutionist.  He differs only in the mechanism for evolution and
is not in any way a creationist.

For the book you are quoting to print only Dobzhansky's description of
Grasse's accomplishments while omitting these facts, which are in the
original article, and Dobzhansky's demolishment of Grasse's claims, which
follow immediately after the above quote, is a form of lying by telling
half truths.  It gives us another valuable insight into the moral standards
of professional creationists - people who can only sustain their fame,
travel and comfortable life style if they continue to manufacture bogus
"evidence" like the above.

---end of repost

How much did YOU pay for the lies that YOU misreprent as being the product
of your own research, thief? The agent of satan that you serve is laughing
his ass off and thanking god for your support as he banks your money.


 Peace, Larry
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From: LARRY SITES                                      Posted:  8 Oct 94  08:50
To  : ALL
Subj: Biele: xian liar & thief

Today we are treated by ARTHUR BIELE to ALL on 10-06-94 19:55 re: "COLLAPSE
OF EVOL." to more examples of the christian use of lying and stealing to
promote a religion that is itself a lie stolen from other religions. Biele,
the thief, presents a series of meeting on mutations AS IF he himself was
either there or he himself did the research. He presents an opinion that
mutation is ineffective as an evolutionary mechanism AS IF he himself
developed this idea. He lies by misrepresenting quotations from Grasse. In
a post to Biele, the liar, in this packet I have showed how his use of that
quote is a flat out misrepresentation of Grasse, in other words a lie. I
did the same thing with his misuse of a Patterson quote in Evolution. In
Evolution, I pointed out that if he had actually done the research work
necessary to uncover the Patterson quote on his own, rather than stealing
it, he would know that his use of it was a lie. Yet here he is not 2 weeks
later doing the same thing.

If you believe in god and the devil, who does Biele work for? In yesterdays
mail, Biele preached thus, "It should be noted that most Christians have,
by many non-Christians, been unjustly associated with the wrongful actions
of which you speak, acts which had been committed by a relatively few so
called `Christians' or by immature, ignorant Christians."

Biele is his own worst nightmare and a perfect example of the
inevitable effect of christianity, lying and stealing for what is supposed
to be truth. What will Jesus have to say when Biele kneels before him?