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6.  Snelling (1988, p. 18) points out that Wysong (1976, p. 370) 
reports a gold chain found in U.S. coal.  Wysong describes the 
June 9, 1891 discovery of a gold chain in coal by a Mrs. S.W. Culp 
of Morrisonville, Illinois, citing the _Morrisonville Times_ of 
June 11, 1891 as his only source.  Walter Brown's 1989 book, _In 
the Beginning..._, also reports a gold chain found in coal, for 
which he cites three sources:  Noorbergen (1977), pp. 41-42 of 
which describe and cite the _Morrisonville Times_ article; an 
article in the January 1979 _Bible-Science Newsletter_ which I 
have not obtained; and a letter in the June 1976 _Creation 
Research Society Quarterly_ which is about a spoon allegedly found 
in coal and says nothing about gold chains.  A list of "fossilized 
technology" claims and their sources, including some involving 
coal (but no gold chains) may be found in Corliss (1978, pp. 651-
660).

7.  This is a reference to the 1980 case of Emma C. Smith 
Elementary School in Livermore, Calif., where teacher Ray Baird 
used materials from the ICR to indoctrinate students with 
creationism and apparently succeeded in converting some of them to 
atheism.  Plimer had discussed this case earlier in the debate.  
Price's book gives a good summary (Price 1990, pp. 143-158).

8.  I chose these examples not because they are the only ones 
available but because they are the best ones I am familiar with, 
having viewed the videotape of the Kitcher debate several times 
and read a transcript of the Saladin debate.




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(End of James Lippard's "How not to argue with creationists".)