Creationists cults engage in the same denial behavior as Holocaust deniers,
chiropractors and astrologers. The mindset of denial of the overwhelming
evidence which debunks their occult notions is evident in all four classes
of delusional belief systems. The ability to deny what their own senses
tell them seems to result in cognitive dissonance which results in frankly
insane behavior, according to my observations of the phenomena.
It's been decades since I determine that creationists and Holocaust
deniers share many of the same dysfunctional attributes and I've written
on the subject on the Internet for at least two decades -- going back to
before the Internet became widely open to the general public, in fact.
Not long ago, Mr. Michael Shermer of the Skeptics Society published his
own evaluation of the mindset phenomena which Holocaust Deniers took some
considerable exception to -- because Mr. Shermer's summations of these
racist neo-Nazis was undeniably factual.
To exhibit once again -- in their own words -- just how like Holycaust
deniers are in relationship to their creationist brothers and sisters,
I've collected a single discussion of Mr. Shermer's work which was posted
to the sci.skeptic newsgroup and cross posted to a number of different
newsgroups. I myself did not participate in the discussion since I did
not want to pollute the issues with my own observations and since I long
ago recognized the futility of debating historic and scientific fact with
those who refuse to employ reason. And Holocaust deniers, astrologers,
creationists, and chiropractor believers all refuse to employ reason in
a broad spectrum of ways. - Fredric L. Rice, July, 2002.
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will try
to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
nationalists it's all about race, not religion. I don't hate
Christians but I don't see how anyone could swallow the Creationist
fairy tale, anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
Wolfgang Streicher.
Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism:
By Paul Grubach
In his regular column of the February 2002 issue of Scientific
American, Dr. Michael Shermer, one of Holocaust revisionism's most
dedicated opponents, claimed that Holocaust revisionism (or, as he
labels it, "Holocaust denial") is on par with and in the same league
with Creationism (or, as he labels it, "evolution denial"). As we
shall soon see, this is an excellent example the fallacy of "faulty
analogy."
Regarding evolutionary theory, Shermer stated: "The preponderance of
evidence from numerous converging lines of inquiry (geology,
paleontology, zoology, botany, comparative anatomy, genetics,
biogeography, etc.) all independently point to the same
conclusion--evolution happened. The nineteenth century philosopher of
science, William Whewell, called this process of independent lines of
inquiry converging together to a conclusion a 'consillience of
inductions.' I call it a 'convergence of evidence.' Whatever you call
it, it is how historical events are proven."
Shermer then added that "evolution denial [is] the doppelganger of
Holocaust denial, using the same techniques of rhetoric and
debate--see my book--Why People Believe Weird Things--for a
comparison..."
Here, Shermer is implying that the traditional view of the Holocaust
is based upon the same type of solid scientific evidence that
evolutionary theory is based on. Just as the different forms of
scientific evidence converge on the conclusion that evolution
happened, so too, the different forms of evidence converge on the
conclusion that "the Holocaust happened."
This is an excellent example of the fallacy of "faulty analogy,"
because the supposedly analogous things have more differences than
similarities.
Evolutionary theory is indeed based upon scientific evidence from
botany, zoology, embryology, etc. (Even Creationists own up to much of
the scientific evidence, but they will give a different interpretation
to that evidence.) The traditional view of the Holocaust has
absolutely no scientific evidence to bolster it. At the first
"Holocaust" trial of German-born publisher Ernst Zundel, the premier
Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg admitted that there is no scientific
evidence to support the existence of the "Hitler gas chambers."1
At the famous Irving-Lipstadt libel trial in London in winter-spring
2000, it was shown once again that there is no scientific evidence to
prove the existence of the "Auschwitz gas chambers."2 In fact,
Holocaust revisionist scholars have shown that the the traditional
view of the Holocaust is based on extremely dubious "eyewitness
testimony," forced confessions, confessions taken under duress, and
documents with equivocal meanings. Evolutionary theory is not based
upon questionable "eyewitness testimony," forced confessions,
confessions taken under duress, and the dubious interpretation of
equivocal Nazi documents.
Nor can Shermer use a "convergence of evidence" to prove the
traditional view of the Holocaust, because it has been shown that one
can come to false conclusions using the traditional evidence to
"prove" the Holocaust."3
For a thorough discussion of these issues, the reader is referred to
my two essays that expose the fallacies, errors, omissions and
falsehoods in the work of Michael Shermer.4
NOTES
1. "Scientific evidence of Holocaust missing," The Sault Star, January
18, 1985, p.A-11. The article is reprinted in Michael A. Hoffman II,
The Great Holocaust Trial, 3rd ed., (Wiswell Ruffin House, 1995),
p.88.
2. For a discussion of this matter with appropriate documentation, see
Paul Grubach, "Convergence of Evidence: Reflections on the
Irving-Lipstadt Affair," online:
http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/tr09irving.html
3. Ibid.
4. See Paul Grubach, "A Revisionist Response to Shermerian
Exterminationism, Part I: Why Does Michael Shermer Weird Beliefs About
the Holocaust?," online: http://vho.org/GB/c/PG/111200.html. Paul
Grubach, "In Defense of Holocaust Revisionism: A Response to Shermer
and Grobman's Denying History," online:
http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/review/tr09denyhist.html.
http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/tr12creation.html
From: "Herb Martin" <HerbM@LearnQuick.Com>
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
This just makes you an idiot or a troll.
Anyone who would want some type of fascist,
intolerant state built on prejudice is so far beyond
foolish it insults the merely stupid.
--
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
You are against a fascist intolerant state built on prejudice. So that
would mean you are against Israel right? Come on tell us Hebrew
Herbie.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: "Herb Martin" <HerbM@LearnQuick.Com>
> You are against a fascist intolerant state built on prejudice. So that
Were any of the above paragraphy true then....
Wait a minute, if ANY of it were true, it would be an
entirely differenct paragraph.
Israel? There is ZERO evidence that Israel would do
anything other than be a good neighbor were the Arab
countries and the terrorists to leave Israel in peace.
Egypt and Jordan have nothing to fear since they stopped
their aggression.
Arab citizens OF Israel elect (Arab) citizens to the Knesset.
Even if there were any truth in your rant, the true prejudice
is hating a group (Jews) because they are born into that
group (Jews.)
Why do you hate the (average) Jews? (We get that you hate
Israel, but why Jews in general?)
Herb Martin
From: "Adam Helberg" <helberga@earthlink.net>
OK Wolfgang. You're not a creationist. You're a anti-Semitic, bigoted,
racist, Holocaust-denying evolutionist. Feel better now?
Adam
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
How much truth is there to your holohoax Helberg ? Is anyone that does
not trust the Jew anti Semite ?.
Kurt Knoll.
From: "Jan Pieter Verhey" <janpieter.verhey@12move.nl>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1025882444.835062@critter.monarch.net...
> How much truth is there to your holohoax Helberg ? Is anyone that does
You're a little parrot troll.
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
"Adam Helberg" <helberga@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<PNbV8.944$A43.84232@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> Adam
PSSST! You forgot "stupid".
Bruno
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Yes Bruno and we all know what you are.
Kurt Knoll.
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message news:<1025897009.297336@critter.monarch.net>...
> Yes Bruno and we all know what you are.
> Kurt Knoll.
There is no "we", you ignorant, illiterate, bigoted piece of shit.
There is only you and your stupid brother running off at the mouth and
being laughed at continuously for the fools you are. As far as I can
determine, you don't know anything.
Bruno
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
That's normal for a Jew like you as the saying goes you can fool some
people some time but you can not fool all the people all the time. You
must be dreaming most people will not tell you if they do not trust you
but the word gets out maybe it will be too late till you find out.
Kurt Knoll.
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message news:<1025959737.74277@critter.monarch.net>...
> That's normal for a Jew like you as the saying goes you can fool some
> people some time but you can not fool all the people all the time. You
> must be dreaming most people will not tell you if they do not trust you
> but the word gets out maybe it will be too late till you find out.
> Kurt Knoll.
Why don't you take a poll and find out if anyone on this ng believes
anything you say, idiot? Of course, you are lying again-people on USENET
are very frank about not trusting someone. You are the one who makes
preposterous statements that he cannot substantiate with facts. I would
not trust you to take out the trash. You have neither the intellect nor
the integrity required for that job.
Bruno
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
The Usenet is not a standard but I admit you have infected a lot of
cowboys.
kk
From: buyensl@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens)
Right before "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> was eaten by cannibals on
Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:42:45 -0700, they issued this poignant cry for help:
>The Usenet is not a standard but I admit you have infected a lot of
YEEEEEE-HAW! Let's round those bigots up an' BRAND 'em, boys...
--
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Yes I am not Christian nor were my parents. But I still don't like you
Jews. That should tell you something.
Why you Jews are hated has nothing to do with religion. It has to do
with you sneaking in and undermining societies. It is a racial issue
that will be dealt with. When National Socialism rises again and it
will.
Wolfgang Streicher.
"Adam Helberg" <helberga@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<PNbV8.944$A43.84232@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> OK Wolfgang. You're not a creationist. You're a anti-Semitic, bigoted,
> Adam
From: " Jason James" <stratosphere2@bigpond.com>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Why you Jews are hated has nothing to do with religion. It has to do
> Wolfgang Streicher.
When 'National Socialism rises again'. You live in Cuckoo land. The only
national socialists that will exist again are those present examples:
skin-heads and semi literate morons, plus the ocassional 'academic' who
permanently relegates himself to academic obscurity for his nuts ideas.
Jason James
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Jew-boy James even the Jewish Anti-Defamation League has admitted that
National Socialism is on the rise, yet again. The growth/electoral
rise of the British National Party, Vlaams Blok, Freedom Party, Front
National, NDP, Pamyat, etc. all point to this. Especially in Europe
there is a general drift to the "far right". You are the one in cloud
cuckoo land. No wonder you are "down under". Where the Brits sent all
their crooks and mental rejects. No offense to the good Aussie
nationalists down there, but you have a lot of "cleaning up" to do!!!
Then again so do we Germans.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
And once again you (National Socialists) will get your arses kicked but the
next time you will be the outcasts of society and all the world will know
you once again for the abomination that you are.
Those of you who survive the war that is......
From: " Jason James" <stratosphere2@bigpond.com>
"George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ag4vuf$n8r$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> "Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Somehow I doubt very much whether they will ever re-emerge with sufficient
numbers to be a credible force again. The world ha learnt from the past,..we
hope.
Jason James
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <16c94fdb.0207051212.42478ba4@posting.google.com>,
> Yes I am not Christian nor were my parents. But I still don't like you
It tells me you're a garden variety bigot trying to tart up his bigotry
with grandiose-sounding words.
> Why you Jews are hated has nothing to do with religion. It has to do
And if it does it will be crushed even more thoroughly than it was last
time.
--
From: Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca>
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
>I still don't like you Jews. That should tell you something.
So ... the holocaust never happened, but you *wish* that it did? Why
don't we all just "pretend" that it did, and everyone will be happy.
--
Comics begin at panel 1 ... PANEL1.COM
http://www.panel1.com
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Don't tell the Creeks the jews stole the word holocaust from the creek
to make a business out of it.
Kurt Knoll.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,sci.skeptic
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> writes:
> Don't tell the Creeks the jews stole the word holocaust from the creek
The Creek Indians coined the word Holocaust? Now that's news.
whd
From: "Wolf333" <wolfe333@nospam.com>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
A fundy is a fundy is a fundy...
So tell me, wolfgang... In a free aryan nation, would I be free to have
jewish friends? To read books by jewish authors? To date and marry a jewish
girl? No? Doesn't sound too free to me.
snip white supremist shit
From: "R.J.Goldman" <rgoldman@bellsouth.net>
OL'e Wolfy has got issues,
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:38:42 -0400
"R.J.Goldman" wrote:
> OL'e Wolfy has got issues,
Which Wolfy?
Colin Day
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Goldie Goldman if you Jews are so big and bad why did six million of
you let yourself be gassed without a fight.
Oh wait that never happened. You would have bribed your way out of
anything it Goldie Goldman. You love Money more than your own Mother.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: "Jan Pieter Verhey" <janpieter.verhey@12move.nl>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Goldie Goldman if you Jews are so big and bad why did six million of
Shame on you.
> Oh wait that never happened.
Yes it did, fool.
>You would have bribed your way out of
You're too young to know anything.
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <16c94fdb.0207051202.74a8fe96@posting.google.com>,
> Goldie Goldman if you Jews are so big and bad why did six million of
Wolfie, if the "Aryan race" was so big and bad, why is it always whining
about how the Jews supposedly control finance, the government, and the
media? After all, Jews ARE a tiny fraction of the population.
--
From: "GoDrex" <godrex33@hotmail.com>
"Orac" <Orac@wabcmail.com> wrote in message
he's still thinking about that one. right now somewhere his puny little mind
is imploding.
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
So you pull out a Strawman! Or can you ever argue without placing
words in our mouth and spouting falsehood. Jews have strong control
over all that you mention, that is a fact, we do not whine about it.
We merely assess the truth and research a Solution. It is also a fact
that we will be able to achieve freedom from that Control. Racial and
ethnic struggles are what drive the force of history.
Wahrheit breaks the bonds of tyrants and is liberation for the Nation.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <16c94fdb.0207061532.6008cc07@posting.google.com>,
> So you pull out a Strawman! Or can you ever argue without placing
Not at all. Is it not one of your complaints as an "Aryan" nationalist
that Jews control finance, government, and the media?
Oh, wait. Below you just admit that you think Jews control all three of
these things.
>Jews have strong control
Of course you do. You're doing it now.
Again, the question is: If you big bad Aryan nationalists are so tough
and smart, and "Aryan" culture is the height of civilization yet
achieved by mankind, then how is it that you allow Jews, which represent
a very tiny proportion of the population, to control all these things?
> We merely assess the truth and research a Solution. It is also a fact
Not with clowns like you leading the charge...
>Racial and
And look what such struggles have caused in the last 100 years. Not a
pretty sight. Such a "racial" struggle started by your hero Adolf Hitler
resulted in the deaths of close to 50 million people and the utter
destruction of his country Germany, as well as the enslavement of half
of his country for fifty-four years by the very Bolshevists who were his
enemies.
Not a good track record, is it?
> Wahrheit breaks the bonds of tyrants and is liberation for the Nation.
You mean the way Hitler's actions led to the destruction of Germany and
the enslavement of most of its people for over a half century?
--
From: "Herb Martin" <HerbM@LearnQuick.Com>
> Goldie Goldman if you Jews are so big and bad why did six million of
Because they were first "good citizens" and let
their firearms be confiscated.
Because they trusted their government. Because
they didn't believe that a 'leader' like hitler could be
so evil and despotic and even then, they didn't believe
a population would be evil enough to support him or
be cowardly enough to go along.
Herb Martin
From: "GoDrex" <godrex33@hotmail.com>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Goldie Goldman if you Jews are so big and bad why did six million of
what a sick fuck. and a top poster at that...
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Look like you are jealous ?.
Kurt Knoll.
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Jews could never know a true love of Fatherland. They are only jealous
of the achievement of others. All they care about is destroying
Other's dreams. And then when we fight back they pretend to be
victims. Next time there will be no Mercy for the chosen ones.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <16c94fdb.0207061545.729beb68@posting.google.com>,
> Jews could never know a true love of Fatherland. They are only jealous
Ah, yes, the old "the Holocaust never happened and it should happen
again!" crap often peddled by Holocaust deniers.
--
From: buyensl@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens)
Right before wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) was eaten by
cannibals on 6 Jul 2002 16:45:42 -0700, they issued this poignant cry
for help:
>Jews could never know a true love of Fatherland. They are only jealous
Now why would they have any reason to be jealous when most of 'em have
some pretty decent achievements o' their own?
>All they care about is destroying Other's dreams.
Like yer dreams of a million people shouting "Heil, Wolfgang!"?
>And then when we fight back they pretend to be victims.
"He ran into my fist, officer, honest!"
>Next time there will be no Mercy for the chosen ones.
If there ever *is* a "next time," which I seriously doubt.
--
From: "Wolf333" <wolfe333@nospam.com>
"R.J.Goldman" <rgoldman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Careful... there's more than one Wolfy here ::)
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Fundy? I have no use for religion. You on the other hand are a Holo hoax fundie.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: "Arjan" <arjan@morgaine.demon.nl>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will try
The main idea is that someone who denies the holocaust
is as stupid as a creationist and capable of denying any truth whatever.
Like evolution the proves are everywhere. Especially in
Europe were I live. Grow up.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
Arjan
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none. Even
some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I have a
sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: "Lawson English" <english7@mindspring.com>
Um, not to be too nit-picky, but there's no such thing as "scientific proof"
for an historical event.
Actually, come to think of it, "scientific 'proof'" is an oxymoron since
"proof" is not possible in Science, period.
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
If someone exaggerates like the jews do there would certainly be a need
for scientific proof.
Kurt Knoll.
From: "david_michael" <david_michael@onetel.net.uk>
"Lawson English" <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> Um, not to be too nit-picky, but there's no such thing as "scientific proof"
Precisely. History proceeds by manufacturing interpretations. The
'Holocaust' theory is one interpretation. The 'Holocaust is a helluva lot
more complicated that some of the anti-revisionists think' theory is
another.
David
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
You two are correct, I erred in the way I stated things. Mea culpa!
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <3d2649a8@212.67.96.135>,
> "Lawson English" <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > for an historical event.
> Precisely. History proceeds by manufacturing interpretations. The
Actually, those who understand the historicity of the Holocaust
understand just how complicated Holocaust history is. Indeed, that is
why we study the complete evolution of how the killing began in the late
1930's with the T4 program. When the invasion of the Soviet Union placed
millions of Jews under Nazi control, too many Jews to deport, the prior
T4 program had paved the way for the later mass shootings by the
Einsatzgruppen, which led to a search for a more sanitized way to kill
Jews, which ultimately led to killing centers like Auschwitz. We also
study how, along the way, things didn't proceed in such a neat
progression all the time, how there were starts and stops along the way,
how there were arguments over methods and tactics among the Nazi
commanders. There are also the debates of functionalist versus
intentionalist schools of Holocaust history.
None of this changes the basic fact that the Nazis intentionally and
systematically tried to kill all the Jews in territories under their
control.
Actually, it is those who deny the historicity of the Holocaust who
posit simple, but false, explanations to try to deny or minimize the
killings committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust, explanations such
as a grand conspiracy by Jews to exaggerate the death toll in order to
gain more power (as some of the cruder Holocaust deniers claim) or a
conspiracy by Allied countries to manufacture forgeries of Nazi
documents to use to convict Nazis at Nuremberg (as you have implied on
many occasions). Such simple explanations that deny, excuse, or minimize
Nazi culpability for the murders of approximately six million Jews and
five million non-Jews do not stand up to a detailed examination of the
Holocaust in all of its complexity.
--
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
There were never 6 million Jews under Nazi Control are you fishing here
to justify your exaggerated numbers.
Kurt Knoll.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,sci.skeptic
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> writes:
> There were never 6 million Jews under Nazi Control are you fishing here
Tell it to Eichmann. In the Wannsee protocol he estimated the number
at 11 million. Since he was an intelligent man, if a complete
sociopath, while you are a complete moron, I'm sure most everyone
understands that he would know.
[snip]
whd
Looks to me like a harmless bit of fun at the expense of a rather
unpleasant person.
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message news:<1026050619.681987@critter.monarch.net>...
> Kurt Knoll.
Then why did the SS records put the number exterminated at 6 million?
Eichmann told this to his boss, Himmler, in a letter introduced at his
trial. This is just more of your lies, scumbag.
Bruno
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <594c8e48.0207071030.1044cb90@posting.google.com>,
> "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
> > Kurt Knoll.
> Then why did the SS records put the number exterminated at 6 million?
And why, when the diliberations about the Final Solution were going on,
did the Nazis themselves estimate that there were approximately 11
million Jews in the territories under their control:
--
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Did Eichman know about this.
kk
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,sci.skeptic
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> yaps:
*yipyipyip*
[snip]
whd
Hello! Can you hear me? I cannot discern the relevancy of your posts!
Hello! Are you asking me if I have any Pink Floyd albums you'd like to borrow?
Hello!
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
> There were never 6 million Jews under Nazi Control are you fishing here
When we add the Gypsies, the intellectually handicapped and the homosexuals
it comes to a whole lot more.
The foul deeds of the Nazi were well recorded by the German nation.
From: Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost>
Wolfgang Streicher wrote:
> Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none. Even
You are an idiot. Being skeptical does not mean "buying into any world conspiracy that jives with
my narrow-minded view of the world". As for your tripe, I doubt you'll convert anyone on these
newsgroups to your already discredited ideology. You'd have better luck in prisons. Piss off.
From: John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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In <16c94fdb.0207051327.200146b9@posting.google.com> in
alt.revisionism, on 5 Jul 2002 14:27:36 -0700, wolfgang1488@yahoo.com
(Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none.
Where is the scientific proof for World War II? Can you point me to
one scientific study that proves World War II occurred?
> Even
And is that why you you are so gullible to believe "Grubach's" lie
about Hilberg's admission?
[snip]
- --
From: Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com>
Wolfgang Streicher wrote in
> Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none.
Where is the scientific proof for last thursday? There is none.
--
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
From: shmulmayer@hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Common_=A2?=)
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote in message news:<16c94fdb.0207051327.200146b9@posting.google.com>...
> Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none. Even
What a coincidence. I, too, am skeptical that you have a mind.
From: buyensl@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens)
Right before wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) was eaten by
cannibals on 5 Jul 2002 14:27:36 -0700, they issued this poignant cry
for help:
>Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none. Even
Where've the 5-10 million been for the last fifty-seven years,
top-poster - the beach?
--
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Most of then did die after the war does still alive collect holohoax
money.
Kurt Knoll.
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026012344.918034@critter.monarch.net...
> Most of then did die after the war does still alive collect holohoax
> Kurt Knoll.
Your knowledge of history and English phrasing are deficient
From: "Reekard" <barber@seville.com>
"George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ag8ijs$fn2$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
> > Kurt Knoll.
The understatement of the year. :-)
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
I know you got the message and this is what counts.
Kurt Knoll.
From: "Wolf333" <wolfe333@nospam.com>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026024408.828274@critter.monarch.net...
> I know you got the message and this is what counts.
And the message is that you really are a moron? Loud and clear!
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026024408.828274@critter.monarch.net...
> I know you got the message and this is what counts.
No son. What happened was no-one understands your tortured English let alone
gain anything from your strange alternate history..
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
History is not in your comic books history is what people experienced on
both sides and not just one who is making a holohoax business out of it.
Kurt Knoll.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,sci.skeptic
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> writes:
> History is not in your comic books history is what people experienced on
> both sides and not just one who is making a holohoax business out of it.
Translation: yipyipyip, woofwoof, bark!
whd
Daffer says:
Yes, I understand the Holocaust community's understanding. The same as
a candle burning, or a piece of wood. You know, Holocaust bodies
burned like candles or wood.
From: "Michael Painter" <m.painter@worldnet.att.net>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026050814.962220@critter.monarch.net...
> History is not in your comic books history is what people experienced on
> Kurt Knoll.
Why did the German government, *before* the end of the war build all those
camps, produce all those records and manufacture those mountains of
artificial legs and eyeglasses to make this hoax look real?
Why do they continue to maintain this hoax with more honesty than America
does when talking about the way we treated the native Americans?
Does our government kill off anybody who admits that the pictures and
records are all false?
How much do the people that claimed they were there get paid?
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026050814.962220@critter.monarch.net...
> History is not in your comic books history is what people experienced on
History is what I've lived through.
And your feeble attempts to change that history doesn't work.
Your last attempt (in France) to gain power was beaten by over 90%.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,sci.skeptic
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) writes:
> Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax.
Where's the scientific proof of WWII? Of the Battle of Gettysburg?
Of the 100 Years War?
> There is none.
There's more proof of the Holocaust than there is of the events I
mention.
> Even
Really? Why don't you produce Hilberg's statements.
> Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I have a
You couldn't refute anything. All you can do is *claim* that you can
disprove it. You never actually get around to disproving anything.
[snip]
whd
Pat Blakely in
From: John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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In <3D25AF14.F2077775@telocity.com> in alt.revisionism, on Fri, 05
> Wolfgang Streicher wrote:
> > The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will
> You're not related to Julius Streicher, are you?
I think he wants to *be* Julius Streicher. Given that Julius
Streicher was actually retarded, I'd say he's more than half way
there.
Maybe we could get him to talk about poisoning the Jewish bacillus or
about how Jews with dirty fingernails want to despoil nice Aryan
girls.
- --
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Gee I did not know anyone that disagrees with the jews is retarded ?.
Kurt Knoll.
From: John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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In <1025888153.479576@critter.monarch.net> in alt.revisionism, on
> Gee I did not know anyone that disagrees with the jews is retarded
Hee heeeee! Now Kurt's defending the toilet sniffer.
Did Werner once say that you and he attended Streicher's school? It
would explain a lot. Especially your questionable taste in shirts.
- --
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Streicher never did have a school. Wee were in a school that was named
Julius Streicher Schule somewhere in 1939 till 1945 we were only there
from 1939 till 1942 after 1945 it was renaming Scharrer Schule. Too bad
we did not have a Menachem Begins school ? this would make me a Jew.
Kurt Knoll.
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
The only toilet sniffer here is you just like your idol Allan
Ginsberg. You Jews are vermin and vultures that is your nature. Morris
you embody American decadence and sickness of mind. Don't give me this
about being Canadian we all know Canada is ordered around by
Washington which in turn answers to Jew York and Tel Aviv.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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In <16c94fdb.0207051338.7e847f9f@posting.google.com> in
alt.revisionism, on 5 Jul 2002 14:38:31 -0700, wolfgang1488@yahoo.com
(Another Ranting Moron) wrote:
> The only toilet sniffer here is you just like your idol Allan
It's a start. Now do the Jews with dirty fingernails ravishing Aryan
maidens.
> Morris
Yeah, I know. It's just terrible. I work for a living. I pay my
own way. I respect the law. I vote in elections. I pay my taxes.
And I don't steal.
> Don't give me this
Did you know that you come across as a complete idiot?
- --
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Or maybe it's just my name.
Morris you are a liar, Julius Streicher was a genius. Anyone who has
really read what he wrote knows this. Then again you do not even know
German you two faced zionist.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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In <16c94fdb.0207051332.6f11e3ec@posting.google.com> in
alt.revisionism, on 5 Jul 2002 14:32:12 -0700, wolfgang1488@yahoo.com
(Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> Or maybe it's just my name.
I doubt it.
> Morris you are a liar, Julius Streicher was a genius.
That's not how he tested.
> Anyone who has
What he wrote reads like pornography.
> knows this. Then again you do not even know
> German
Was die zeit der abfassung angeht, so ist dieselbe noch ins
14. jahrhundert zu setzen un zwar aus dem einfachen grunde,
weil das ms. Ashm. 50, II [sic], wie aus anderen darin
enthaltenen dichtungen hervorgeht, ohne zweifel im 14.
jahrhundert noch geschrieben ist und es eine der fabeln enhält.
Dieselbe steht in Harl. 2251 an siebenter stelle und ist so
eng mit den vorhergehenden fabeln verbunden, dass man nicht
etwa annehemen kann, Lydgate habe in seiner jugend nur die
eine fabel und erst später den prolog und die sechs anderen
übertragen.
[Concerning the date of composition, it can be set in the
fourteenth century for the rather simple reason that MS Ashmole
[59] contains one of the fables and also other poetical works
which were undoubtedly written in the fourteenth century. The
same fable is the seventh in Harley 2251 and is linked so
closely with the preceding fables that one cannot presume
Lydgate translated one fable in his youth and only later
translated the prologue and the six others].
- From Paul Sauerstein's inaugural dissertation, "Über Lydgate's
Sauerstein's argument depends upon several dubious assumptions: that
a scribal headnote is accurate in saying that Lydgate wrote his
fables at Oxford; that Lydgate was attending Oxford rather than, say,
visiting his friend Thomas Chaucer at Ewelme near Oxford; that
Lydgate (c. 1370-1449) would necessarily have attended Oxford in his
youth rather than in middle age.
The mistake in the manuscript number was, I think, a typographical
error and not any clumsiness on Sauerstein's part.
> you two faced zionist.
But I am not a Zionist. Nor am I a Jew as you ranted elsewhere.
- --
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote in message news:<16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com>...
> The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will try
Great. We can't stand you, either. Why don't you go hide your dumb
butt in a cave in the Pacific Northwest with your friend Covington.
Then, neither of us would have to be disgusted by the other.Be careful
up there,dumbass-I heard Bigfoot likes to eat bigots.
The media does not portray Christian Creationists as crackpots. I have
seen no evidence of this. The US Attorney General, John Ashcroft, is a
Christian Fundamentalist. I don't know if he is a Creationist or
not.It does not matter to me- I support him.As a matter of fact, I
have several friends who are Christian Fundamentalists and
Creationists.They are not crackpots. All 3 are fine intelligent
people. Religious views and science are two different things which
serve two different purposes. They can, in my view, exist side by
side.
Where do you dumb Nazi-Snotzies get your idiotic ideas? The Jews pay
their taxes and do their military service just like all Americans-
they have the same rights here that you do, fiddlebrain. If you don't
like someone, just avoid them like the rest of us do. If you show up
on my doorstep and try anything nasty, you're gonna get a shotgun
stuck in your face. I think that about covers the subject.
Bruno
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Why would I want a homeland there. We are reclaiming Europe not hiding
in some redneck hinterland in Amerika.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <16c94fdb.0207051342.5b962eac@posting.google.com>,
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> Why would I want a homeland there. We are reclaiming Europe not hiding
As an American, imagine my relief! LOL!
--
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
There are National Socialists in the USA and Canada. But they are not
even close to as numerous or well funded as their European
counterparts. Best wishes to all National Socialists and White
nationalists, wherever they may be.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> There are National Socialists in the USA and Canada.
Well the US and Canada need something to laugh at
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <ag5ueb$mtu$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
> "Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Well the US and Canada need something to laugh at
And the "brave Aryan warriors" trying to resurrect Naziism are
definitely something to be laughed at!
--
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Orac" <Orac@wabcmail.com> wrote in message
> > "Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Well the US and Canada need something to laugh at
> And the "brave Aryan warriors" trying to resurrect Naziism are
Especially when they come up against anything like their numbers in a
confrontation.
Sheesh, can they run...
Just a bunch of cowards
From: "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:16c94fdb.0207051342.5b962eac@posting.google.com...
> Why would I want a homeland there. We are reclaiming Europe not hiding
And just like the last time you beat up on the weak and dispossessed.
Typical cowardly behaviour...
You haven't learnt yet have you!
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote in message news:<16c94fdb.0207051342.5b962eac@posting.google.com>...
> Why would I want a homeland there. We are reclaiming Europe not hiding
How do you propose to "reclaim" Europe with your fucking Aryan
bullshit? Do you think the French,Spaniards, Poles, Russians,Czechs,
Hungarians,Serbs,Belgians and Greeks will just smile while you take
over?
I can assure you with resonable confidence that the Serbs ,Russians,
and Greeks will give you one hell of a fight. They have done it
before. I don't know about the others. If you morons are gonna try
invading Russia again, let me know-I want to watch
this-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Bruno
From: John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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In <16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com> in
alt.revisionism, on 4 Jul 2002 23:07:01 -0700, wolfgang1488@yahoo.com
(Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will
Don't be silly. "Revisionists" are their own special breed of
crackpots.
> In fact nothing could be further from the
Maybe we can get the crackpot to expand on the "Jewish race."
> I don't hate
> Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism:
> By Paul Grubach
> In his regular column of the February 2002 issue of Scientific
> Regarding evolutionary theory, Shermer stated: "The preponderance
> Shermer then added that "evolution denial [is] the doppelganger of
> Here, Shermer is implying that the traditional view of the
Actually, that's not what Shermer's implying. He is actually
*saying* that Holocaust denial and Creationism use the same
techniques of rhetoric and debate. He says nothing about the *kinds*
of evidence used to prove historical events as opposed top the kinds
of evidence used to prove scientific theories.
I guess we need to get back in the sand box with poor Mr. Grubach and
explain that historians and scientists use different kinds of
evidence.
> Just as the different forms of
But no. Grubach apparently does know the difference. But, "as we
shall see," he forgets the difference.
> This is an excellent example of the fallacy of "faulty analogy,"
> Evolutionary theory is indeed based upon scientific evidence from
Oh golly. I guess, then, the historicity of the Holocaust must rely
on historical evidence.
> At the first
Actually, that is not what Hilberg said. He said that he personally
knew of no scientific evidence of gas chambers. That is hardly
surprising given that Hilberg is an historian and not a forensic
scientist. What Hilberg apparently didn't know was of the first
study by the Crackow Forensic Institute of the cyanide deposits on
the walls of the gas chambers. Presumably, Hilberg also did not know
of the core samples study by the Polish mining engineering firm
Hydrokop which identified the locations of the various mass graves at
Auschwitz.
Hilberg's "admission" is not the same thing as saying, "there is no
scientific evidence."
> At the famous Irving-Lipstadt libel trial in London in
It is not a not a good tactic to cite Irving's libel prosecution of
Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt since Irving lost the case and was
held in the judgment to be a falsifier of history among other things.
Just flipping over to the article cited in the footnote, we find
Grubach saying,
There is no question that the judgment in this case will be
used by many as “proof” that the traditional view of the
Holocaust is correct, and Holocaust revisionism is a
falsification of history. But how valid is this interpretation
of the trial’s result?
Maybe it's just me, but I thought the judge was pretty clear on this
point when he said,
13.163 . . . I find myself unable to accept Irving's contention
that his falsification of the historical record is the product
of innocent error or misinterpretation or incompetence on his
part. When account is taken of all the considerations set out
[in the preceding] paragraphs . . , it appears to me that the
correct and inevitable inference must be that for the most part
the falsification of the historical record was deliberate and
that Irving was motivated by a desire to present events in a
manner consistent with his own ideological beliefs even if
that involved distortion and manipulation of historical evidence.
Apparently, there are no bounds the "Revisionists'" delusions.
> In fact,
In other words, Holocaust deniers do just as Creationists do with the
available evidence: they reject it.
> Evolutionary theory is not based
Wow! Who's guilty of the fallacy of the false analogy here?
Nevertheless, one notes that Creationists would argue for a
questionable fossil record and dubious assumptions of equivocal
evidence from molecular biology.
> Nor can Shermer use a "convergence of evidence" to prove the
And if you flip over to the article referenced in the footnote,
Grubach retails the same set of wartime rumours about the "steam
chambers" of Treblinka and how the historians' "story changed" to gas
chambers using engine exhaust. Leaving aside the question of whether
reports from Nazi-occupied Poland could ever be wholly reliable,
Grubach neglects to mention that observations of Treblinka in
operation would necessarily have taken place from some distance away
and apparently does not know how much engine exhaust resembles steam
in cold weather. Living as I do in a place as cold in winter as
Eastern Poland, I think I have some expertise in this matter that
might be lacking for a pseudonymous Californian.
> For a thorough discussion of these issues, the reader is referred
> NOTES
> 1. "Scientific evidence of Holocaust missing," The Sault Star,
> 2. For a discussion of this matter with appropriate documentation,
> 3. Ibid.
> 4. See Paul Grubach, "A Revisionist Response to Shermerian
> http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/tr12creation.html
Unfortunately, we don't really find answer here to Shermer's
comparison of the rhetorical techniques of Holocaust denial and
Creationism. Rather, we find an example.
- --
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com>,
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will try
Actually, most Creationists are far more reasonable than Holocaust
deniers. I realize that isn't saying much....
--
From: "tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com...
The usual crock of bollocks he and his ilk favour.
I can't help but wonder if people like Wolfie here are masochists. After
all why would anyone deliberately post material that is sure to result in
them being called, and quite rightly, an idiot, moron, kook etc? Could it
be he and some of the others we seem to run across so often actually get off
on being slagged off? Could it be he loves being called insulting names and
thought of as a cretin?
tim gueguen 101867
From: Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com>
In article <drrV8.7276$ou6.336116@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
> "Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I can't help but wonder if people like Wolfie here are masochists. After
I think he's too stupid to realize that nearly everyone here (even his
ideological comrades) think he's a cretin.
--
From: wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher)
Don't be impatient you wont make any money from this anyway. Or is
impatience just a Jewish character trait. Yes the mass media is
primarily Jewish controlled. However being a myopic American you
assume everyone else in the world is American too. Like most National
Socialists I am not American, so I would know little about the media
in America. But there are nationalists in America who have put out a
good documentary about the Jewish media control there. See
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/ for the truth.
Wolfgang Streicher.
From: edrhodes@hotmail.com (ed rhodes)
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote in message news:<16c94fdb.0207051856.3efb8d33@posting.google.com>...
> Don't be impatient you wont make any money from this anyway. Or is
You wouldn't know <truth> if it walked up to you and bit you in the ass!
From: buyensl@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens)
Right before wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) was eaten by
cannibals on 5 Jul 2002 19:56:27 -0700, they issued this poignant cry
for help:
>Don't be impatient you wont make any money from this anyway. Or is
That must be why they have so many programs about Jews. Why,
there's...there's...yaknow, I can't recall *any* programs with so much
as *one* Jewish major character in recent years...
--
From: "tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
"Lorrill Buyens" <buyensl@interlacken.com> wrote in message
news:3d27a4a3.360014036@news.CIS.DFN.DE...
> Right before wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) was eaten by
> >Don't be impatient you wont make any money from this anyway. Or is
> That must be why they have so many programs about Jews. Why,
Seinfeld? I think Mark Greene on ER was supposed to be Jewish, altho' not a
practicing Jew. In any case Irish Catholics and Italians are probably every
bit as common as Jews as "minority" characters on tv and in the movies.
tim gueguen 101867
From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
buyensl@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens) wrote in message news:<3d27a4a3.360014036@news.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> Right before wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) was eaten by
Where are those cannibals buried? They must have gotten terminal
nausea from munching on Wolfie. Actually, they probably got nauseous
from just listening to Wolfie. I know I have.
<deletia>
Bruno
From: "Chris Nelson" <criskity1@insightBBB.Replace_BBB_with_BB_and_put_dot-com_after_it>
"Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com...
> The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will try
Fuck off, bigot. Your kind are not welcome in alt.atheism.
--
From: "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
Don't know why you are upset what does atheism stand for.
Kurt Knoll.
From: "Arjan" <arjan@morgaine.demon.nl>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026012498.371830@critter.monarch.net...
> Don't know why you are upset what does atheism stand for.
Accepting truth as it is which you don't.
> Kurt Knoll.
Strange were do all those pro palestinian articles come from in
some parts of the european medea? But even the most pro
palestinian anti Israel article I read never denied the holocaust.
> > >So it will try
Just crackpots like creationist crackpots.
But there are other crackpots as well. Maybe part of government
policy to bring mental patients back in society.
> > > In fact nothing could be further from the
We have seen how free your Aryan nation was.
> > > and I can't stand the Jews.
So you are not in Aryan mysticism like Himler and his
cronies? Blut und bodem? You are missing something.
> > > I don't hate Christians but I don't see how anyone
You should know. You are swallowing all sorts of fairy tales.
But a creationist can be funny. You are not.
Is holocaust denying still a criminal act in Germany?
> > > anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
Grow up and read some real history books.
> > > Wolfgang Streicher.
> > Fuck off, bigot. Your kind are not welcome in alt.atheism.
Arjan
From: "Chris Nelson" <criskity1@insightBBB.Replace_BBB_with_BB_and_put_dot-com_after_it>
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:1026012498.371830@critter.monarch.net...
> Don't know why you are upset what does atheism stand for.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. It is NOT racism.
Indeed, atheism is usually a product of rational thinking, while racism is
ALWAYS a product of sick, twisted, irrational thinking. Therefore it is rare
to find atheists who are racist.
--
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"You can lie about ICR all you want." --
Jason Daniel Henderson
"Thank you for your permission however there's never any need
to. Creationist propaganda is already self-debunking." --
Fredric L. Rice
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,sci.skeptic
Subject: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 4 Jul 2002 23:07:01 -0700
Shermer's Faulty Analogy
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 07:09:46 GMT
> free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
Herb Martin
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 13:08:51 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:12:41 GMT
> would mean you are against Israel right? Come on tell us Hebrew
> Herbie. Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:06:17 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:20:52 +0200
> not trust the Jew anti Semite ?.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 11:17:04 -0700
> OK Wolfgang. You're not a creationist. You're a anti-Semitic, bigoted,
> racist, Holocaust-denying evolutionist. Feel better now?
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:08:58 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 6 Jul 2002 04:07:10 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 05:34:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 7 Jul 2002 08:57:05 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:42:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:22:07 GMT
>cowboys.
"There can be only one Silly Vampire Programme, and 'It
is I, Count Homogenized' has had that title sewn up since
about 1978..."
- Dave Joll, in rec.arts.drwho
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 13:12:09 -0700
> racist, Holocaust-denying evolutionist. Feel better now?
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 06:34:59 +1000
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> Yes I am not Christian nor were my parents. But I still don't like you
> Jews. That should tell you something.
> with you sneaking in and undermining societies. It is a racial issue
> that will be dealt with. When National Socialism rises again and it
> will.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 19:42:33 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:37:32 +1200
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> Yes I am not Christian nor were my parents. But I still don't like you
> Jews. That should tell you something.
> Why you Jews are hated has nothing to do with religion. It has to do
> with you sneaking in and undermining societies. It is a racial issue
> that will be dealt with. When National Socialism rises again and it
> will.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:24:11 +1000
> news:16c94fdb.0207051212.42478ba4@posting.google.com...
> > Yes I am not Christian nor were my parents. But I still don't like you
> > Jews. That should tell you something.
> > Why you Jews are hated has nothing to do with religion. It has to do
> > with you sneaking in and undermining societies. It is a racial issue
> > that will be dealt with. When National Socialism rises again and it
> > will.
> > Wolfgang Streicher.
> And once again you (National Socialists) will get your arses kicked but the
> next time you will be the outcasts of society and all the world will know
> you once again for the abomination that you are.
> Those of you who survive the war that is......
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:20:34 -0400
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> Jews. That should tell you something.
> with you sneaking in and undermining societies. It is a racial issue
> that will be dealt with. When National Socialism rises again and it
> will.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:41:27 -0400
Marc.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 05:36:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
From: William Daffer <whdaffer@wabcmail.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:21:11 GMT
> to make a business out of it.
--
Right. We should stop using the term "anti-semites" on the grounds it
was invented by Jew haters so their opinions could look like an
ideology instead of a pathology.
Joseph Hertzlinger
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:45:56 -0500
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> The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled. So it will try
> to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
> free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
> nationalists it's all about race, not religion. I don't hate
> Christians but I don't see how anyone could swallow the Creationist
> fairy tale, anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:58:23 -0400
he needs to restock the Tin foil very soon!
From: Colin Day <colinday@telocity.com>
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
> he needs to restock the Tin foil very soon!
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 13:02:16 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:17:47 +0200
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> you let yourself be gassed without a fight.
> anything it Goldie Goldman. You love Money more than your own Mother.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:17:39 -0400
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> you let yourself be gassed without a fight.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:03:04 GMT
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> In article <16c94fdb.0207051202.74a8fe96@posting.google.com>,
> wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
>
> > Goldie Goldman if you Jews are so big and bad why did six million of
> > you let yourself be gassed without a fight.
>
> Wolfie, if the "Aryan race" was so big and bad, why is it always whining
> about how the Jews supposedly control finance, the government, and the
> media? After all, Jews ARE a tiny fraction of the population.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 6 Jul 2002 16:32:07 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 21:40:15 -0400
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> words in our mouth and spouting falsehood.
> over all that you mention, that is a fact, we do not whine about it.
> that we will be able to achieve freedom from that Control.
> ethnic struggles are what drive the force of history.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:16:09 GMT
> you let yourself be gassed without a fight.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:01:24 GMT
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> you let yourself be gassed without a fight.
> Oh wait that never happened. You would have bribed your way out of
> anything it Goldie Goldman. You love Money more than your own Mother.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:24:50 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 6 Jul 2002 16:45:42 -0700
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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 22:00:11 -0400
wolfgang1488@yahoo.com (Wolfgang Streicher) wrote:
> of the achievement of others. All they care about is destroying
> Other's dreams. And then when we fight back they pretend to be
> victims. Next time there will be no Mercy for the chosen ones.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 02:12:36 GMT
>of the achievement of others.
"There can be only one Silly Vampire Programme, and 'It
is I, Count Homogenized' has had that title sewn up since
about 1978..."
- Dave Joll, in rec.arts.drwho
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:21:59 -0500
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> OL'e Wolfy has got issues,
> he needs to restock the Tin foil very soon!
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 13:15:00 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:54:29 +0200
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> to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
> free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
> nationalists it's all about race, not religion. I don't hate
> Christians but I don't see how anyone could swallow the Creationist
> fairy tale, anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 14:27:36 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:49:49 -0700
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> Where is the scientific proof for the holohoax. There is none. Even
> some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
> Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I have a
> sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:58:29 -0700
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:45:53 +0100
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> for an historical event.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 6 Jul 2002 10:22:04 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 21:52:54 -0400
"david_michael" <david_michael@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> news:ag53tf$hbi$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net...
> > Um, not to be too nit-picky, but there's no such thing as "scientific
> proof"
> 'Holocaust' theory is one interpretation. The 'Holocaust is a helluva lot
> more complicated that some of the anti-revisionists think' theory is
> another.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:48:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
From: William Daffer <whdaffer@wabcmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:52:43 GMT
> to justify your exaggerated numbers.
--
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 7 Jul 2002 11:30:37 -0700
> There were never 6 million Jews under Nazi Control are you fishing here
> to justify your exaggerated numbers.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:09:02 -0400
knight@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote:
> news:<1026050619.681987@critter.monarch.net>...
> > There were never 6 million Jews under Nazi Control are you fishing here
> > to justify your exaggerated numbers.
> Eichmann told this to his boss, Himmler, in a letter introduced at his
> trial. This is just more of your lies, scumbag.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:34:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
From: William Daffer <whdaffer@wabcmail.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:37:08 GMT
--
National Runt, demonstrating what he thinks is an 'on-topic' response
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
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> to justify your exaggerated numbers.
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:53:00 GMT
> some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
> Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I have a
> sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
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> some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
> Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I
> have a sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Date: 5 Jul 2002 23:59:52 GMT
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Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
Zymurgist #12
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 6 Jul 2002 00:53:20 -0700
> some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
> Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I have a
> sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:12:49 GMT
>some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
>Stupidity is swallowing whole every lie of the establishment. I have a
>sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
"There can be only one Silly Vampire Programme, and 'It
is I, Count Homogenized' has had that title sewn up since
about 1978..."
- Dave Joll, in rec.arts.drwho
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:11:04 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:14:33 +1200
> money.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 05:37:01 GMT
> news:1026012344.918034@critter.monarch.net...
> > Most of then did die after the war does still alive collect holohoax
> > money.
> Your knowledge of history and English phrasing are deficient
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:32:08 -0700
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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:45:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:52:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
From: William Daffer <whdaffer@wabcmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:50:26 GMT
--
Tom Moran, in <3b945797.442024163@news.pacificnet.net>
> Do you understand the concept of an 'exothermic' reaction?
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
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> both sides and not just one who is making a holohoax business out of it.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:34:52 +1200
> both sides and not just one who is making a holohoax business out of it.
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
From: William Daffer <whdaffer@wabcmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 03:03:54 GMT
> some holohoaxers like Hilberg have slipped up and admitted this.
> sceptical mind that is why I refute the holo hoax.
--
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Jul 2002 10:37:08 -0400, Colin Day <colinday@telocity.com> wrote:
> > try to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> > creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
> > truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I
> > want a free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most
> > of us
John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:41:25 -0700
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Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:41:25 -0700, "Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net>
wrote:
> ?.
John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:29:14 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 14:38:31 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
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> Ginsberg. You Jews are vermin and vultures that is your nature.
> you embody American decadence and sickness of mind.
> about being Canadian we all know Canada is ordered around by
> Washington which in turn answers to Jew York and Tel Aviv.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 14:32:12 -0700
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> really read what he wrote
Aesopübersetzung," Leipzig 1885.
John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 09:42:50 -0700
> to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
> free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 14:42:16 -0700
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:18:46 -0400
> in some redneck hinterland in Amerika.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 19:32:27 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:18:01 +1200
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:45:51 -0400
"George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> news:16c94fdb.0207051832.34806d43@posting.google.com...
> > There are National Socialists in the USA and Canada.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:16:33 +1200
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> In article <ag5ueb$mtu$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
> "George Black" <gblack@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > news:16c94fdb.0207051832.34806d43@posting.google.com...
> > > There are National Socialists in the USA and Canada.
> definitely something to be laughed at!
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:27:57 +1200
> in some redneck hinterland in Amerika.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 19:00:53 -0700
> in some redneck hinterland in Amerika.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:48:45 GMT
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> try to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> creationist crackpots.
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want
> a free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
> nationalists it's all about race, not religion.
> Christians but I don't see how anyone could swallow the Creationist
> fairy tale, anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
> Shermer's Faulty Analogy
> American, Dr. Michael Shermer, one of Holocaust revisionism's most
> dedicated opponents, claimed that Holocaust revisionism (or, as he
> labels it, "Holocaust denial") is on par with and in the same
> league with Creationism (or, as he labels it, "evolution denial").
> As we shall soon see, this is an excellent example the fallacy of
> "faulty analogy."
> of evidence from numerous converging lines of inquiry (geology,
> paleontology, zoology, botany, comparative anatomy, genetics,
> biogeography, etc.) all independently point to the same
> conclusion--evolution happened. The nineteenth century philosopher
> of science, William Whewell, called this process of independent
> lines of inquiry converging together to a conclusion a
> 'consillience of inductions.' I call it a 'convergence of
> evidence.' Whatever you call it, it is how historical events are
> proven."
> Holocaust denial, using the same techniques of rhetoric and
> debate--see my book--Why People Believe Weird Things--for a
> comparison..."
> Holocaust is based upon the same type of solid scientific evidence
> that evolutionary theory is based on.
> scientific evidence converge on the conclusion that evolution
> happened, so too, the different forms of evidence converge on the
> conclusion that "the Holocaust happened."
> because the supposedly analogous things have more differences than
> similarities.
> botany, zoology, embryology, etc. (Even Creationists own up to much
> of the scientific evidence, but they will give a different
> interpretation to that evidence.) The traditional view of the
> Holocaust has
> absolutely no scientific evidence to bolster it.
> "Holocaust" trial of German-born publisher Ernst Zundel, the
> premier Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg admitted that there is no
> scientific evidence to support the existence of the "Hitler gas
> chambers."1
> winter-spring 2000, it was shown once again that there is no
> scientific evidence to prove the existence of the "Auschwitz gas
> chambers."2
> Holocaust revisionist scholars have shown that the the traditional
> view of the Holocaust is based on extremely dubious "eyewitness
> testimony," forced confessions, confessions taken under duress, and
> documents with equivocal meanings.
> upon questionable "eyewitness testimony," forced confessions,
> confessions taken under duress, and the dubious interpretation of
> equivocal Nazi documents.
> traditional view of the Holocaust, because it has been shown that
> one can come to false conclusions using the traditional evidence to
> "prove" the Holocaust."3
> to my two essays that expose the fallacies, errors, omissions and
> falsehoods in the work of Michael Shermer.4
> January 18, 1985, p.A-11. The article is reprinted in Michael A.
> Hoffman II, The Great Holocaust Trial, 3rd ed., (Wiswell Ruffin
> House, 1995),
> p.88.
> see Paul Grubach, "Convergence of Evidence: Reflections on the
> Irving-Lipstadt Affair," online:
> http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/tr09irving.html
> Exterminationism, Part I: Why Does Michael Shermer Weird Beliefs
> About the Holocaust?," online: http://vho.org/GB/c/PG/111200.html.
> Paul
> Grubach, "In Defense of Holocaust Revisionism: A Response to
> Shermer and Grobman's Denying History," online:
> http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/review/tr09denyhist.html.
John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:14:47 -0400
> to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
> free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
> nationalists it's all about race, not religion. I don't hate
> Christians but I don't see how anyone could swallow the Creationist
> fairy tale, anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:09:29 GMT
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 21:55:56 -0400
> news:16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com...
> The usual crock of bollocks he and his ilk favour.
> all why would anyone deliberately post material that is sure to result in
> them being called, and quite rightly, an idiot, moron, kook etc? Could it
> be he and some of the others we seem to run across so often actually get off
> on being slagged off? Could it be he loves being called insulting names and
> thought of as a cretin?
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 5 Jul 2002 19:56:27 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 6 Jul 2002 11:46:53 -0700
> impatience just a Jewish character trait. Yes the mass media is
> primarily Jewish controlled. However being a myopic American you
> assume everyone else in the world is American too. Like most National
> Socialists I am not American, so I would know little about the media
> in America. But there are nationalists in America who have put out a
> good documentary about the Jewish media control there. See
> http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/ for the truth.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 02:12:37 GMT
>impatience just a Jewish character trait. Yes the mass media is
>primarily Jewish controlled.
"There can be only one Silly Vampire Programme, and 'It
is I, Count Homogenized' has had that title sewn up since
about 1978..."
- Dave Joll, in rec.arts.drwho
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 05:42:27 GMT
> cannibals on 5 Jul 2002 19:56:27 -0700, they issued this poignant cry
> for help:
> >impatience just a Jewish character trait. Yes the mass media is
> >primarily Jewish controlled.
> there's...there's...yaknow, I can't recall *any* programs with so much
> as *one* Jewish major character in recent years...
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: 8 Jul 2002 00:06:38 -0700
> cannibals on 5 Jul 2002 19:56:27 -0700, they issued this poignant cry
> for help:
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 02:13:55 GMT
> to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> creationist crackpots. In fact nothing could be further from the
> truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want a
> free Aryan nation and I can't stand the Jews. But for most of us
> nationalists it's all about race, not religion. I don't hate
> Christians but I don't see how anyone could swallow the Creationist
> fairy tale, anymore than the Holohoax fairy tale.
> Wolfgang Streicher.
Chris
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:13:38 -0700
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism and Creationism Have Nothing In Common
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:55:37 +0200
> =====
> "Chris Nelson"
> <criskity1@insightBBB.Replace_BBB_with_BB_and_put_dot-com_after_it>
> wrote in message news:DtNV8.423622$352.56936@sccrnsc02...
> > "Wolfgang Streicher" <wolfgang1488@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:16c94fdb.0207042207.6b2de59a@posting.google.com...
> > > The media like it or not is mostly Jewish controlled.
> > > to portray Aryan nationalists and revisionists as Christian
> > > creationist crackpots.
> > > truth. I am no Christian and wasn't raised up as one either. I want
> > > a free Aryan nation
> > > But for most of us nationalists it's all about race,
> > > not religion.
> > > could swallow the Creationist fairy tale,
> > --
> > Chris
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