The cure for cults that want to deny others their freedom of speech is more freedom of speech -- Fredric Rice

This little pieces of occult propaganda should prove to be amusing. The title, "When god became man" holds possibilities. Will the ICR cult compare the Christian mythologies against previous religions that also have gods turning into mortals, dieing "for sins of humanity" only to be reanimated as gods again? Do you think we can expect to read about Lord Mithra who did just that? I'm absolutely _giddy_ in anticipation.

Let's go look.

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We can never understand the doctrine of the incarnation, whereby God the Creator became man the creature, for it is beyond the limits of finite comprehension.

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"Who's 'we,' Paleface?" springs instantly to mind. People who actually study religions understand fully where these notions come from. The extant mythologies of the world is literally stuffed full of gods turning into Morals, gathering bands of Heros, carrying out some quest, and then getting killed after successfully accomplishing their task on Earth only to be reanimated back into gods. People who study religions and their mythologies have no confusion as to why people contrive such stories. It's no secret.

We could look at the Lord Mithra mythos or the Jesus mythos equally and determine why it was the mythologies were written. In both cases nothing less than the salvation from death was at stake. The fact that people still died after the mythologies were penned didn't matter one iota to the ignorant savages who penned them. What mattered was the comfortable warm fuzzy feeling that arose from the bizarre notion that once you're dead you're not actually dead.

Fear of death is only one of the reasons why the mythologies from which Christianity springs was written down. Resentment also factors in greatly within the Christanic mythologies wherein there was a new addition of a "Hell" mythos into which one's enemies would be religated, conveiniently after death since the people who penned the myths had no power to punish their enemies in the flesh.

The ICR cult wants to pretend that nobody knows why mythologies get written and that nobody knows why the Christian mythologies came to be as they are. While it may very well be "beyond the limits of finite comprehension" among creationist cultists, those of us who are allowed to reason should have no difficulty what-so-ever discerning why it is people concoct elaborate fantasy to avoid oitherwise unavoidable eventualies which all of us face: our own death.

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But we can believe it, and rejoice in it!

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A better description would be "wallow in it."

The propaganda piece continues, treating us to a vegitable soup mix of quotes extracted from the classical Christanic mythologies -- as if quoting comic books proved anything. Let's see if we can find something with some meat in it... Ah, we're asked the amusing question, "How could the creator become a man?"

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...He must have created the very body in which He would dwell when He "was made flesh" This body, however, could not be a body produced by the normal process of human reproduction, for it must be a body unmarred either by inherent sin spiritually or by inherited genetic defects physically or mentally.

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How's that for "some crazy shit" as it's commonly described among academia? <smile> According to the mythologies the Jesus god was born to a young woman who owned no property, a woman who later generations of cultists tried to claim had never engaged in sex. It comes as no surprise that the ICR cult decided not to investigate what the origins of the word commonly -- and erroniously -- refered to as "virgin" actually means. The notion that "virgin" means a man or woman who has never engaged in sex is a new notion that came along long before the Christian cult decided otherwise.

As far as mental stability goes, according to the mythologies the Jesus Hero claims to be the son of a god. So much for mental defects. And speaking of mental defects, let's continue...

Ah, here's an explanation of where babies come from that I'm sure the cult would love to get taught in the public school system along side of Stork Theory:

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Thus the body of the second Adam must be formed directly by God and placed in a virgin's womb.

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That's got to hurt! <laughing> I'm sorry to laugh, but damn it! That's just too silly! I mean the mental images that springs forward unbidden as I read these nut rants can't help but invoke laughter. Just try to picture some guy trying to shove a baby back up some poor woman's... No, sorry, it's too, too much. Forget it. Jesus! These people are just too much.

Let's see if we can get through this propaganda piece without having an unfortunate accident, shall we? Let's move on... We see more quotes from the classical Christanic mythologies; an attempt to try to cram that baby into a virgin. We'll skip all that because it's all pretty silly. Let's get to the _meat_ of this soup when the next rhetorical question to be asked is, "When did the creator become ban?"

That would be at least a century before the Jesus mythos if one takes a look at Lord Mithra. However no where in this propaganda piece does the ICR cult mention the previous "virgin birth" mythologies from which the Jesus mythos comes.

But that doesn't mean the don't come close! Look:

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It has become customary in much of the world to observe the Creator's incarnation on December 25 which is assumed to be the date of the birth of Jesus.

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It's also the date given for the birth of Lord Mithra 100 years before the Jesus mythos came along. It's also the one day in the year when the wee little people of Ireland can be seen. Tellingly it's also the start of Saturnalia which comes just after the Winter Solstice.

What a most amazing coincidence!

And the "resurrection" of this grain god Christians call "Jesus?" That just coincidentally happens during reap and coincides with the fertility festival of Isis. Another amazing coincidence.

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The fact is that no one really knows the date of His birth, so no one should be dogmatic on this subject.

Nobody knows the birthdate of Wonder Woman, either, and for the same reason. In any event we get the usual discussion about how shepards wouldn't watch their flocks by night in the Winter... nothing new here. Let's move on...

I like this one:

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He had already been "made in the likeness of men..." nine months earlier, when He created a body for Himself and took up His residence in Mary's womb.

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The bastard's rent is late. Again, I must apologize for laughing. I know it's unkind to laugh at those less fortunate than the rest of us but damn it, that's _funny!_ Some guy shoves a baby god into some virgin and the poor woman demands rent money. It's too, too amusing.

Jesus! Is it any wonder nobody takes creationists seriously?

It gets better: The begging-the-question rhetoric that then asks "Why did the creator become man" offers this amusing insight into science:

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No question that begins with "Why?" can be answered scientifically.

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Welp, that about wraps it up for science, folks.

"Professor, when I mix hydrochoric acid with cat urine I get a caustic vapor that causes my eyes to water and my lungs to cramp up. Why does this mixture of liquids cause me medical distress?"

"Well, Jimmy, nobody knows. All questions which begin with the word 'why' can't be answered scientifically. But thanks to the good folks at the Institude for Credulous Retards, we need only acknowledge that god dun it and rejoice in the knowledge."

"But Professor, my chemistry books talk about molecular recominations and electron clouds which might explain the phenomena, why can't we apply chemistry to answer that question?"

"I'm sorry, Jimmy, but you just asked 'why' again, but the Institute for Cranial Rectals informs us that questions that begin with the word 'why' can't be answered scientifically."

Think I exaggerate what this cult is claiming? Nay, rather, look further at this propaganda piece:

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Such questions can be answered only theologically, and that means they can only be truly answered from the written Word of God.

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Some day maybe someone will find some words written by gods. Until then, however, the educated and those who are allowed to think will continue to apply science when both asking and answering questions.

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