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[ref001] apologetics: DEBATE LOGS - 2/28/96 apologetics: DEBATE LOGS - 2/28/96 [21:06] ProfG (wgreen01@fiudial22.fiu.edu) joined #apologetics. [21:07] Topic changed by ApoloBot!bibleman@xlab1.fiu.edu: ATHEISTS: we *dare* you... we *double-dog-dare* you... [22:19] Zeek (zeek@nscs21p18.remote.umass.edu) joined #apologetics. [22:19] hi Zeek [22:19] You dare me? [22:20] sure do [22:20] lol [22:20] what is your paradigm, zeek? [22:20] Beer, Anal sex, and sleep. And you? [22:20] Foul~~~~~~~ [22:20] those are *evidences* of a paradigm [22:20] what is your *actual* paradigm? [22:20] ten yard penaltie [22:20] Analyze me, stud [22:21] play goes to prof [22:21] Do you believe that there is no God, Zeek? [22:21] prof...looks obvious to me...lol [22:21] I rather like the LOGIC Paradigm which excludes your GOD. [22:22] he must be pouring beer [22:22] Zeek......bad choice of premises [22:22] what are the laws of logic, Zeek? [22:22] GOD or ProfG [22:22] AND, OR, NOT, and XOR [22:22] Logic...excluding God [22:22] Zeek: how do you use the laws of logic? [22:23] I heard an eternal..."ooopppss" [22:23] How do you use God? [22:23] answer the question zeek [22:23] Ask a question ProfG, not a generalization... [22:23] ok... [22:24] are you a naturalist, Zeek? [22:24] Logic and emotion guide a man NOT blind faith [22:24] Zeek.....debate format does include semantics...please answer :) [22:24] OK [22:24] lol....insert a NOT in there [22:24] Naturalism is not enough to explain man [22:24] are you a naturalist, Zeek? [22:24] does he read? [22:24] NO [22:25] yes [22:25] no [22:25] yes [22:25] Zeek....can I ask you a question? [22:25] are the laws of logic material, zeek? [22:25] are the laws of logic material, zeek? [22:25] Go ahead, NEd [22:25] are the laws of logic material, zeek? [22:25] nothing is material [22:25] Zeek....does God not exist? [22:25] HahHAh HAH [22:25] i see.. so you are not material, zeek? [22:26] God is a construct, an unnecessary construct. [22:26] using your precious logic, zeek, prove that you do not exist materially [22:26] Zeek....does God not exist?....this is a yes or no answer [22:26] sorry prof....go ahead :) [22:26] using your precious logic, zeek, prove that you do not exist materially [22:26] I'm afraid the question is not yes or no..., allow me to explain my view... [22:27] using your precious logic, zeek, prove that you do not exist materially [22:27] "nothing is material" - zeek exists - zeek's "paradigm" is logic - [22:27] using your precious logic, zeek, prove that you do not exist materially [22:27] Zeek....go with prof [22:27] Ned- is the bot a bible bot [22:27] arogers yes [22:28] God is a representation, explanation, and justification of natural instincts. It is not necessarily a bad thing, just a choice. Some people choose it others do not. That is no basis for the judgement of man. [22:28] using your precious logic, zeek, prove that you do not exist materially [22:28] ok [22:28] I do exist materially. [22:28] prove it [22:28] you just said that nothing is material [22:29] so how can you exist materially? [22:29] Zeek..can you? [22:29] Life is a contradiction with entropy. Prove me wrong, profg. [22:29] answer the question zeek [22:29] you can't [22:29] you don't know how [22:29] What is your question? [22:29] you say logic is your paradign [22:29] you can't even use it [22:30] What is your question> [22:30] arogers...you a christian? [22:30] you said nothing is material; so how can you exist materially? [22:30] you said nothing is material; so how can you exist materially? [22:30] I need only to exist, not satisy your expectations of my existence [22:30] arogers...you a christian? [22:30] excuse me, satisfy [22:31] sure am! [22:31] DARN!!! [22:31] thats kool [22:31] Rather be dead, than christian [22:31] use your precious logic to prove you exist materially when nothing is material [22:31] lol [22:31] Logic is a tool, God is a joke [22:31] Zeek...we can arrange that :) [22:31] Zeek, it's this simple - you cannot use the laws of logic in an atheistic paradigm [22:31] sure am twice! [22:31] you are making statements, and you cannot prove anything [22:32] A computer is logical is it not? [22:32] Zeek....c mon.....at least be intelligble.... [22:32] no it is not [22:32] Then what is a computer, ProfG [22:32] what other joke has been great for 6000 years? [22:32] Zeek: can you prove that the laws of logic are true, without employing the laws of logic? [22:33] Answer the question, ProfG... [22:33] Zeek: you refuse to answer any questions. We have lgic and reason for our beliefs; you apparently have none [22:33] Then what is a computer> [22:33] I will gladly answer your questions when you start answering a single one of mine [22:34] Go ahead, ask one, let's go mano a mano [22:34] fine [22:34] about time [22:34] you say you believe in logic, not God [22:34] Let me correct... [22:34] prove that logic can exist in an atheistic paradigm [22:35] I believe in logic and emotion, in humanity not God. [22:35] it cannot [22:35] stating your belief proves nothing, Zeek [22:35] Logic is concretely defined. It has no bearing on religion. [22:35] Disagree? [22:36] definition does not prove [22:36] prove that logic exists in an atheistic paradigm [22:36] Life is not about proving, but existing. [22:37] Zeek: let me use your words then, for my own benefit - "God is concretely defined... I believe in God... life is not about proving God, but that God exists" [22:37] would you accept me saying that? [22:37] NedFlndrs (Dananova@ppp13.snni.com) left #apologetics. [22:37] sure, but its not my belief. [22:37] you accept that belief as true? [22:38] No, I accept itas your belief. Prove god exists. [22:38] the proof of God's existence is the impossibility of the contrary [22:38] Vague... Try again. [22:39] Without the existence of God, one could not prove *anything* [22:39] did you understand it that time? [22:40] No, to have ameaningful conversation, one must define god. [22:40] the God of the Bible [22:40] the Christian God [22:40] there, defined [22:40] That God is shallow. [22:40] Goodnight. [22:40] you are ducking the issue [22:40] Zeek (zeek@nscs21p18.remote.umass.edu) left #apologetics. [22:40] lamer [ref002]Return to #apologetics Home Page [ref003]Return to LOGS Page [ref004]Go to the MCU Virtual Library [ref001] http://mcu.edu/library/logs/log_2_28_96.html [ref002] http://www.fiu.edu/~wgreen01/apologetics.html [ref003] http://www.fiu.edu/~wgreen01/logs.html [ref004] ../

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