By: Marty Leipzig
To: Freddie Cash
Re: Creation 101

Freddie Cash, on the outs with Inner Mongolia, said to LARRY SITES,

 LS>AK> Evolution cannot be proven scientifica
 LS>AK> for one, it violates the First Two Laws of Science.
 LS>AK>(Enery/Entrophy).

 LS>So does an uncreated creator, preach.

 LS>Nor for that matter can Creation be scientifically
 LS>AK>proven. But I will show how creationism is far more believable from
 LS>AK>the records we do have. Both tajke faith, but Creationsism not near
 LS>AK>as much.

 LS>What records? You have no records. You have no evidence. Evolution does.
 LS>Since you have no evidence or records, you are left with faith based on the
 LS>transmission of a religious superstition by a group of documented liars.
 LS>Creationism is ONLY more believable because it takes less knowledge, ie
 LS>more ignorance, not less faith. If you were to investigate the lying nature
 LS>of your religious superstition, you would be forced to admit that it takes
 LS>MORE faith to believe it in spite of the evidence against it than it does
 LS>to believe the truth - your religion is bunk!

 FC> Take a hard look at the Grand Canyon.

     I am a petroleum geologist. I have, many times.

     Have you?

     Obviously not.

 FC> try to explain that through
 FC> evolution.

     Evolution does not deal with sedimentology, stratigraphy nor
     depositional environments. Immolate your strawmen elsewhere,
     nescient.

 FC> How can a river erode sand and dirt and end up with
 FC> vertical rocks,

     The Paleozoic through Mesozoic section of the Grand Canyon
     displays a gentle 5-6 degree southwestern dip, while striking
     northwest-southeast. The Precambrian Vishnu schist, Brahma and
     Zoroaster Granites are meta-igneous rocks and do not display
     any sort of vertical attitude. The Precambrian Bass-Dox-Unkar
     Grand Canyon Series group dip to the southeast at 30-35 degrees,
     and are marked by a splendid example of an angular unconformity.

     So, where's all these vertical rocks?

     Or, are you referring to erosional structures as opposed to
     depositional-structural structures?

     Coherent rocks are cliff formers; fissile, easily eroded
     formations form slopes.

     You never have been there, have you?

 FC> when rivers (water period) erodes in a V shape?

     Look at a cross section of the canyon, you moron. It's a
     classical V-shape.

     You _never_ have been there, have you?

 FC> Why is
 FC> there such a large delta of sand/dirt and the end of the Grand Canyon
 FC> if it was eroded over millions of years?

     The Colorado River, which cut the canyon over a period of
     perhaps 5 million years, has been so impacted by man (dams and
     such) that the net transport mechanism of the river has been
     reduced to near nil. Although the empoundments, such as Lake
     Powell, are silting up rather nicely.

 FC> Shouldn't there be no delta?

     If you knew a single thing of geology and depositional
     processes, you'd know the answer to this extremely simple
     question. The answer is yes, there should be a delta as the
     Colorado debouches into the Sea of Cortez (there is a
     paleodelta, but it is palimpsest be the marine processes of the
     SOC); but I explained the reason one does not exist immediately above.

 FC> Why are there fossils that are younger near the top of the Canyon?

     Gee, could it mean that the rocks at the base of the canyon are
     older?

     There's an exquisite evolutionary sequence displayed in the
     canyon from the Cambrian of the Toroweap to the Permian of the
     Kiabab at the rim.

     Just like evolution says there would be.

     Ain't science grand? You should really try reading a science
     text rather than that ICR crapola sometime. You'd be amazed.

 FC> Why is it that they found a whale buried vertically in Australia (I
 FC> think) with "millions" of years of sediment around it?

     They did not, because it's all bullshit.

     Cite the journal where this was reported and demonstrate my
     error, if not.

 FC> How does one go about FREQ'ing a file?

     Click your heels together 3 times.