Msg#: 67 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/20/87 15:12:25 (Read 158 Times)
From: COSMIC MESSIAH
To: ALL
Subj: SATAN FACT OR FICTION
The Truth about the Satan and his Origin.
Man tends to worship that which he fears, to pledge his allegiance to forces
beyond his control, to placate the gods whatever he concevies them to be. When
new gods appear, man dethrones his old gods without having to deny thier
power, by simply making demons of them.
One of Indias' greatest gods is "the goddess of a hundred names", which
represents nature in both its creative and destructive guises. To Buddhist of
Tibet this same goddess is a devilish demon called mKha's Groma.
In Egypt Set was dethroned when the worship of Osiris dominated Egyptain
culture, as time passed Set was increasingly linked with discord, disease,
evil and violence, until finally he was known only as the god of night and
darkness.
Herne the Hunter, whose appearance was strikingly similar to that of the
horned god of hunting, was a vicious woodland demon of England. The daevas,
gods of India and Iran, were the devils of the Zoroastrian system.
The early Christians rebelled against the horned god of hunting, long
worshiped by the pagan or primitive folk of the countryside , and neither
found it nessary to deny the former god, but only had to point out the evil
inherent in its nature to find converts from amoung the ranks of the older
order.
Early Christians found the wildness and sexuality of many of the older gods
made them suitable representivites for christian Demonology. Baal, the
two-horned nature god of the Phoenicians and Syrians, conqured death, chaos
and drought. But by biblical times he become the greatest rival of the Lord
God of Israel. Pan, Dionysus, Isis, Lucifer, Belial, Beelzebub, Apollo and the
satyrs all came to represent the powers of evil.
William Woods in "A History of the Devil" points out that refrences in the Old
Testament and Talmud go no further than casting him as "a divinity belonging
to some other tribe". Lucifer is called "the son of the morning" by the
prophet Isaiah and in II Kings Baal is refered to as "an oracular deity of the
Ekronites." Only in the New Testament is he called "prince of the demons." In
the temptations of Job, Satan appears not as a devil but as an adversary of
God and is in fact introduced as "one of the sons of God." In the early days
Satan had been a spirit but by the Fifth Century, he had become weighty, and
of course visible.
God became the guiding light of the establishment, and thus if only by
implacation, the devil (became) the leader of thoese who opposed them. In
thoese early days there were many who opposed the powers of the established
order. There were thoes who refused to give up the old religion, for the old
gods suited the humble folk far better than the new, whise, agents were sever
taskmasters who brought bloodshed and terror.
Thus it was in the fight to stamp out the old religion that the devil was
concived by the so called desert fauthers who piced together from thier
recolections of gods (such as the cloven-footed Pan) the visulation of the
Devil as the grotesque man.
Woods writes, "our devil is almost entirely an invention of Hebrew moral law
and the Christian church."
And so it was that the devil was legalized by the Council of Toledo in A.D.
447 and Staan beacme as Woods States, "an efficient cat-o-nine-talis with
which to whip people into line.
Women who knew the old legends and magic traditions were turned into witches.
Traditional gatherings like the druids festival, the bacchanals, the Diana
feasts, became the witches Sabbath. The broom, acient symbol of the sacred
hearth, became the evil tool of the witch's flight.
Wherver the voice of freedom was heard or an original idea was expressed the
athorities deceted the activities of Satan. The theroy of witchcraft was
initiated by the papacy to warm the fires of puratory and fill the pockets of
the cleargy, who burned witches and confiscated thire property for the church.
The devils that Christ had seen simply as spirits who possessed and overcame
the rational man were now the servants of the one devil who, was unbearably
ugly, appearing in this world as an imp, a gargoyle, or a goat with a human
face.
The devil, now accepted as the evil archenemy of God, was no longer remembered
in the establishment circles as the horned god of hunting, the divine goat of
Arcadia, the dusii of the celts or Dionysus. His godly heritage had been
successfully abolished, his wicked place in the world determend and truly,
Lucifer had been cast from heaven.
Man makes his divinities, good or evil, in his own image, the result depending
on the stage of his personal development and that of the age in which he
lives.
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Msg#: 76 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/27/87 00:55:32 (Read 132 Times)
From: THOMAS KROENKE
To: COSMIC MESSIAH (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 67 (SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Your is a very good recap of historical development of the popular Satan. I
believe however it misses the point. The real question is not it the popular
image of Satan is a correct one, or even that man tends to replace old beliefs
with new or to deify that with he fears. I think the real question is one of
evil and good. Does evil exist as a force seperate from good or God. Are we
to view good and evil as oppisits of the same force or being? In short is the
concept of good and evil as forces outside of human thought a valid one?
Regards Tom
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Msg#: 138 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/28/87 20:54:46 (Read 112 Times)
From: BUZZ DIXON
To: THOMAS KROENKE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 76 (SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
One other minor quibble in the SATAN FACT OR FICTION msg chain; There was no
single Baal to worship. Ba'al meant "lord" and ba'al worship was the worship
of local pagan dieties wherever they were, in the brook, on the mountaintop,
etc.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 473 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/12/88 01:40:00 (Read 48 Times)
From: DAVID BOWMAN
To: COSMIC MESSIAH
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 138 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
The Devil is a fiction invented by the "Christians" to explain away the
presence of "evil". I believe that they used the image of PAN because they
have good reason to fear Him. The Devil reminds me of the stuff my family
used to tell me as a child when they sought to control me. Besides, as long
as there is an enemy to fight, no one has time to notice all the things wrong
at home (or in the country or in the religon in question).
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 486 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/13/88 23:31:00 (Read 44 Times)
From: MOON DOG
To: DAVID BOWMAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 473 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
There's an old saying concerning religions, David.
"The gods of the old become the demons of the new..."
And it's quite true. What would be more logical than to convince your
followers that the "old gods" were really demons who were intent upon
deceiving and causing harm??? Once they've bought that line, you've got 'em.
MOON DOG
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 490 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/15/88 23:28:11 (Read 45 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 486 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Actually, a lot of the gods of old -- and their sacred places -- were absorbed
by the Church and converted into saints and their shrines. Those they
couldn't assimilate by this means -- usually the most powerful gods (I'm
speaking in terms of their grip on the imagination, not in terms of any real
power) -- were converted into demons and declared anathema...
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 498 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 23:16:00 (Read 44 Times)
From: DAVID BOWMAN
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 490 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Moon Dog, I couldn't agree with you more.
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Msg#: 501 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/16/88 17:50:41 (Read 44 Times)
From: SUSAN SAFEL
To: THOMAS KROENKE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 76 (SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
As far as God and Satan go they are just names given to the positive and
negitive "cosmic" forces. Light is good.. many people choose to follow that
path. And there are "Angels" and "Demons" but they are just forces from
different paths. The Bible is not wrong, just misinterpreted.
Susan
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Msg#: 521 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/16/88 20:22:00 (Read 40 Times)
From: MOON DOG
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 501 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Also, some powerful beings were turned into "benevolent servants of God", as
in the cases of the Archangels Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, and Uriel. (Along
with "hosts"(all puns intended) of other "angels".)
MOON DOG
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Msg#: 524 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/17/88 01:29:00 (Read 41 Times)
From: DAVID BOWMAN
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 521 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
What I find interesting is that Pan terrified them the most of all.
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Msg#: 527 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/18/88 20:43:25 (Read 40 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DAVID BOWMAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 524 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Actually, Dionysus terrified them most of all, as Dionysus has a great many
qualities (and titles, like King of Kings) in common with Christ. Pan was
identified as a servant/avatar of Dionysus by the early Church...
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 647 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/12/88 20:08:24 (Read 31 Times)
From: THOMAS KROENKE
To: SUSAN SAFEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 501 (SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Susan, "cosmic" forces?? Please describe. Demons and Angeles?!? Again please
describe them and how you know they exist. Regards, Tom K.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 677 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/01/88 20:06:39 (Read 31 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: COSMIC MESSIAH
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 67 (SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
What interests me is that there is much in pagan belief, primarily the
mysteries of Mithra, Osiris, Dionysius and Tammuz that seem to be almost a
carbon copy of Christian concepts of Jesus. There's good proof that Y'shua
ben Yousef of Ha'Galil probably existed. There were messiahs galore in
ancient Israel. But the supernatural aspects attributed to Jesus, particularly
the Resurrection and Virgin Birth, were elements of these mysteries tacked on
to the story. I'm sure your'e also aware of the Gilgamesh-Noah connection as
well...MK-H
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Msg#: 759 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/18/88 21:06:21 (Read 30 Times)
From: ROBIN POMARSON
To: COSMIC MESSIAH
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 67 (SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
Actually, I have thought of the possibility that Lucifer the angel was simply
trying to stop God from becoming too powerful. God promptly threw Lucifer out,
called him a "devil", and blamed every subsequent wrong on him. Does this
remind you of two other fellas names Stalin and Trotsky?
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 916 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/27/88 00:31:00 (Read 18 Times)
From: BILL RAGSDALE
To: ROBIN POMARSON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 759 (RE: SATAN FACT OR FICTION)
The angelic character of Lucifer is a myth, as far as my knowledge of the
bible goes. In the passage "how fallen art thou..." in reference to
"Lucifer", that referrs to an earthly prince who thought of himself as a God.
There are several instances in the bible of satan and his angels falling from
heaven, but I have never seen the classic story anywhere in the scriptures.
The classic story is the one in which Lucifer was top angel in heaven, decided
he wanted to be God, found several sympathizers and was "booted out" of his
place. There are scriptures which tell of a great war in heaven, etc....but I
think the story has been added to, beyond biblical text. I dont view satan as
a real being per se....I hold that satan is the carnality and materialism of
this world that blinds man and stands in the way of spiritual growth. It is
also the source of death. If there is such a being, most likely his perverse
nature is such that he created his own hell rather than God creating this
place for him. There are so many things we dont know....that is part of what
makes life fun.
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Msg#: 77 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/27/87 01:01:14 (Read 149 Times)
From: THOMAS KROENKE
To: WAYNE BRYANT (Rcvd)
Subj: MESSAGES
"The devil made me do it!" How many times I've heard that or something very
close to it e.g. I was drunk, I was angry, I was desperate. To me it's all
the same, a way of avoiding responsibility for ones own acts. If people are
allowed to say the devil made me do it or some such non-
sence, then by what right do we arrest and punish wrong doers? Our law is
clear, if you are "forced" by another into wrongful acts, then you are not
responsible. If a man does evil, e.g. something that he knows and understands
to be wrong, then that is a choice he alone muct take credit for. Regards
Tom
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 299 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
11/11/87 15:55:34 (Read 86 Times)
From: BILL BOZO
To: WAYNE BRYANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 77 (MESSAGES)
Dear Mr. Bryant and Others,
I appreciate your eagerness to become more aware of the world around you, and
I also appreciate your willingness to hear from others. This is a very
important thing; ability to learn from others.
When we speak of such things as "evil" or "the devil" we must also consider
such things as "good" and "God". All these dualities; good & evil, God & the
devil, hot & cold etc., ought to be understood. First of all, what is the
definition of "evil" or anything else. This obviously is another crucial
point in the clear understanding of anything. For example, I may say that
someone was clearly evil, but upon investigation you find out that actually,
he is a nice guy. How is this? The reason is that we each have our own
rrelative definitions. When we each establish which set of definitions we
accept, then we can have a basis for further phlosophical dialog. For
example, we may both accept that "killing" or "murder" is a great "evil", but
do we both agree that killing an animal for human consumpton is "evil". Some
would say yes and some would say no. So by this we can all see that such
discussions go deeper than just a casual fireside chat. It was nicely
expressed in the opening message of this dialog that that person felt
compelled by some external force (the devil, whoever that may be-by
definition?) to commit seemingly sinful activities. This was followed up with
the reply that this notion of a devil causing us to commit "sin" was merely a
cop-out and a means of avoiding your reponsibility as a human being to "take
control" of your mind, body and actions.
So briefly stated, we need to understand some basic philosophical points; 1)
what is a definition of sin 2) who is the devil if there is such a
thing/person 3) how accountable are we for the things we do or are forced to
do by external/internal forces 4) and most importantly, whose opinion on these
subject matters are we going to accept as a final authoritative decision? 5)
then who is an authority and 6) what are the qualifications of an authority.
In this connection the previous two gentlemen on this message section both
made some very "authoritative" statements about some very crucial subject
matters, but the question remains, "are they qualified to make such
statements?". If not, then who is? If so, then where do they derive their
authority, or are they the ultimate authority? I am not saying either way or
the other, but that we must carefully consider these points before entering
into any serious search for the truth.
Now I could sit here and give you my definitions on these subject matters, but
again what is my authority to do so. Even if I wre to claim t be some bona
fide authority on these subject matters, would any one accept that
"self-proclaimed authority"? So we must question the definitions we ourselves
hold, and then ask where we got them from; the local priest, our parents, our
friends, our own speculations, the television, a magazine, etc....? Are any
of these sources real authorities on any of these subject matters? Who really
knows for sure? Aother question we sshould all be asking (being users on this
bullitin board) is what is the definition of a "cult". Anyway, I think that
this open dialog of ideas and opinions is very good, and I would like to thank
woever is responsible for starting up this system.
I invite everyone out there to a challenge. The challenge is for everyone to
closely examine their personal definitions of these various topics {namely:
1)what is "sin" 2) "the devil" 3) what is a "cult" 4) who s "God" and any
other related topic. After etering your ddefinition, then the real challenge
is to figure out where you got this definition, in othe words who you accepted
as an authority. Then I challenge you to come up with a definition for who
qualifies as an authority. And when you have done all that then I think we
can all have a more in depth and honest understanding of what we really accept
as truth, and why we accept it.
For those of you out there who are interested in these subject matters, I
invite you to reply to my challenge and look forward to seeing what you
believe......and more importantly, why you believe it.
Sincerely Trying To Understand Life,
BILL BOZO
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Msg#: 123 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/27/87 00:24:37 (Read 70 Times)
From: PHILIP RAILSBACK
To: BOB MORRIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 98 (NEW BOOK)
The book you're talking about is called THE ULTIMATE EVIL by Maury Terry
(check the spelling on that). I have heard enthusiastic comments from a
couple of people who have read it. The thesis of the book seems a bit far
fetched to me, however. As you said it attempts to connect the Manson Family
and Son of Sam killings through an orginazation called the Process. I'm
planning on reading the book fairly soon. I'd sure like to see a major review
or two by some people who know more about this sort of thing.
-Philip
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 373 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/10/88 19:36:09 (Read 29 Times)
From: MARIE JOHNSON
To: BOB MORRIS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 98 (NEW BOOK)
I've read the book. The name is " The Ultimate Evil" by Maury Terry. It's
spooky stuff. I'm not sure at all that I buy his premises, but it was an
interesting read.
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Msg#: 2541 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
09/23/88 10:17:21 (Read 18 Times)
From: SYSOP
To: PHILIP RAILSBACK
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 123 (NEW BOOK)
I agree Maury Terry's book is scary stuff. I particularly disagree with his
statement that there cannot be a cult without drugs. That is untrue. I am
also skeptical of many of his conclusions: when Terry investigated the site
where the body was found off the 5 on Hungry Hollow, he found an open Bible.
It is my impression he therefore concludes it was a "satanic" crime. What ever
happened to coincidence and evidence?
Msg#: 2548 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
09/23/88 21:24:34 (Read 20 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: SYSOP (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2541 (NEW BOOK)
I'll admit that some of Maury Terry's methods are underhanded, but an open
Bible under a low bush behind a corpse in the middle of nowhere? I'd say the
odds are against it. Besides, the "tokens" left at such scenes are not unique
-- in fact they're a consistent pattern of physical evidence in these crimes.
There is something about low-level satanists that drivesthem to scrawl
everywhere -- even at the scenes of capital crimes, when a normal (sane)
person wouDid think TWICE about leaving ANYTHING incriminating behind. I'd
remind you of the killings by John Kogut in Lynbrook, L.I. , the slaying of
the couple in West Patterson, N.J. (which was deliberately ceremonial).
As to drugs: With whackos like the above (leaving Bibles, hair, grafitti,
etc. behind at murder scenes or with dumped bodies) -- are you REALLY
surprised their brains are fried? They're imbeciles, clearly. What's really
interesting is the people who find them useful -- who share their values &
rites but stay in the shadows and use these fools for their criminal
enterprises and for vicarious thrills.
Ciao
GT
Msg#: 2553 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
09/24/88 22:37:23 (Read 23 Times)
From: SYSOP
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2548 (NEW BOOK)
Have you been in touch with the New York/New Jersey Cult Awareness Network?
There was a very interesting commentary in their most recent newsletter
questioning whether CAN should deal with these activities. Yes, there are
surely nuts and bimbos out there doing horrid things but that does not qualify
them as destructive groups with authoritarian control, enslavement, deception
or thought reform. They are criminal activities and must be looked at as
that. We need tons more evidence to prove there is any kind of network, let
alone a giant conspiracy. When I hear any wiff of conspiracy, I have to fear
Lyndon LaRouche has made his mark on our society and I quake.
Msg#: 145 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/31/87 21:39:54 (Read 66 Times)
From: BUZZ DIXON
To: JASON MOORE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 140 (FOI DOCUMENT)
Maury Terry's excellent book, THE ULTIMATE EVIL, makes a pretty convince case
for a connection between the Son of SAm killings and the remnants of the
Process Church of the Final Judgement, a weird occult/satanic group that was
founded by two former members of Scientology. One of the Process' favorite
ploys is to infiltrate groups like the Scientologiests, est, Moonies, etc to
look for potential recruits to their cult; the infiltrators will try to get
positions as counselors, therapists, auditors, etc. in whichever group and
channel the more promising members off to the Process Church. Manson was a
Processian and claimed as much when he was arrested; apparently a couple of
people from cult HQ showed up while he was in jail and told him to keep his
mouth shut about the cult or else. You really ought to get THE ULTIMATE EVIL
and take a look at it; it'll send hackles straight up your back.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 146 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/31/87 23:29:25 (Read 69 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: BUZZ DIXON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 145 (FOI DOCUMENT)
Amen to that, Buzz. THE ULTIMATE EVIL is damned near close to the ultimate
cult book. I'd love to get Maury Terry tied into this board...
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 185 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
08/25/87 15:28:17 (Read 68 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: BUZZ DIXON (Rcvd)
Subj: PROCESS CHURCH MANSON OCCULT
(Buzz I used such a strange "subj:" so each phrase can be used as a keyword
search using "selective retrieval" on this board.)
Thanks for the information on the book "Ultimate Evil". I will try to get the
book. Until then, I wonder if you could look up what the names of the former
scientologists were. It is my understanding that Manson, imprisoned around
1961 (before the murders) had a scientology cell mate--a guy with the last
name of "Ramer". Manson claimed to have gone "clear" in prison. The Manson
connection was a "PTS" (potential trouble source) for the church, and Church
PR started tracking it down. I have heard there are lengthy documents of
research the Church did on this subject in the public domain. I also heard
that in the book Helter Skelter, that author Vince Bugliosi was "caved-in"
(church jargon) from printing any scientology reference in the book. Although
, certain Homicide Detectives whom investigated the tragic murders mention the
connection.
Interesting is that Manson, and Watson are up to the same sort of religiouso
branwash tricks. I hear Manson is associated with "the Church of Jesus Christ
Christian--Aryan Nations--the KKK-like prison religion for controlling
ethnics; and Tex Watson is a prison chaplin, claiming to be born again. Your
Process Church is real interesting. Help me learn more about it.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 189 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
08/26/87 16:42:00 (Read 67 Times)
From: BUZZ DIXON
To: JASON MOORE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 185 (PROCESS CHURCH MANSON OCCULT)
According to LARSEN'S BOOK OF CULTS, the Process Church of the Final Judgement
was founded by Robert de Grimson. This same info appears in THE ULTIMATE EVIL
but I forget which chapter (Terry didn't provide an index -- rats!); however
Terry also reveals Grimson's real name, his wife's name, and goes into more
history of the cult.
The basic Processian teaching was: "Jesus says love your enemies. Satan is
the enemy of God. Therefore we should love Satan." Grimson and his wife were
English members of the Church of SCientology but split off in the late
fifties. The Process Church flowered in the early and mid-sixties but
started to decline in the early seventies. Terry ascribes this to the number
of small cults, covens, churches, whatever, that sprang up nationwide; they
all gradually splintered away from the main church.
There are several known Process spl;inter groups including The Foundation
Faith of the Millenium and the Foundation Faith of God. And there are the
various splinter groups Terry cites in THE ULTIMATE EVIL. I don't know what
their current status is.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 379 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/16/88 01:39:00 (Read 52 Times)
From: GAME MASTER
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC SHIT
Ok, Now I've seen it all... A satanic area on a bbs. (God I wish I had one! I
run a haunted motel that leads to hell! Haha) Anyway. If your all really
interseted in the true evil one... look at the Japanese literature and you'll
see the Ying-Yang is the representation of God verses Devil or Good verses
evil. So if ya look at the vast majority of life... And their belifes in
such... You will find that there really isn't a devil... Or a fallen one...
Cause god forgives all... so if he fell, he was forgiven. And one speculative
satanic worshiper once told me, there really is no devil... What we belive is
the devil is really the dark side of us. The part we hid from the light. Cause
if we release it to the world, we show how primative we really are and in a
sense show the devil in us all... The need to hunt and survive. So rest your
fears... The great evil and anti-christ won't show up, cause from what alot of
people have predicted... he was supposed to have been here last year and the
world was to have been destroyed by today... (Cute isn't it? Today was the end
of the world... well really yesterday at 11pm. Have a book of some profit who
predicted the year and day... Wrong day... right year for the month, but wrong
day!) So in essence if ya wanna belive in the devil... he's real. If ya
don't... he's really a part of us deep inside trying to survive.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Computer Connections - Hoboken,NJ. HST 9600 (201)-798-0065
Msg#: 384 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/21/88 10:26:11 (Read 54 Times)
From: DAVID RICE
To: GAME MASTER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 379 (SATANIC SHIT)
I believe that's "Yin/Yang", not "Ying-Yang"
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 385 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/21/88 11:07:08 (Read 49 Times)
From: MICHAEL JEMKINS
To: BOB HENRY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 384 (SATANIC SHIT)
You are incorrect. I have read the news reports regarding the Aquino affair.
He was NEVER charged with child molestation. He was investigated for it. No
charges were made, none are pending. Get your info right before you pass
around that type of damaging gossip. It is obvious the whole point of the
Oprah Show went by you.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 386 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/21/88 22:35:21 (Read 46 Times)
From: SYSOP
To: MICHAEL JEMKINS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 385 (SATANIC SHIT)
It would be nice for you to say what the point of the show was for the people
who didn't see it.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 388 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/21/88 14:47:00 (Read 44 Times)
From: GAME MASTER
To: BOB HENRY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 386 (RE: SATANIC SHIT)
Well I didn't say there weren't any exceptions... The general rule to all is
the practice of black magic that deals with spells and hair and shit... But
there are those who go over the line. Those jerks are the dangerous ones...
But if you ci=onsider the facts... They are nuts anyway, not due to their
religion... They just want to kill, but prefer to have a reason unlike the
common killer who goes out and kills a few hundred just for the fuck of it.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Computer Connections - Hoboken,NJ. HST 9600 (201)-798-0065
Msg#: 392 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/22/88 12:09:00 (Read 46 Times)
From: GAME MASTER
To: DAVID RICE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 388 (RE: SATANIC SHIT)
Well, no one said I was perfect... thanks for the help in correcting my
spelling.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Computer Connections - Hoboken,NJ. HST 9600 (201)-798-0065
Msg#: 393 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/22/88 12:12:00 (Read 41 Times)
From: GAME MASTER
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC SHIT AGAIN!
Well let me take a slight pole here...
Since we all feel differently in the belief of the devils existance...
1 --- How many here belive there really is a devil?
2 --- How many don't belive?
3 --- How many feel there is a great evel but it has no form?
4 --- How many feel the Black and White Magic are the two forms of expression
for the two great forces?
Now, as I had said and asked in a few other confrences... I belive in magic...
But not as you belive in it. I belived in it like Merlin did... No evil
magic... Just evil people who use the magic for their own gain. I belive in a
superior force that creats and controls magical events. I belive in Evil...
But not in the force of evil... or the devil... But in the Power it
contains... Evil is just the dark side of good... People loved the day but
feared the night... The night was assumed to be the Evil time. Day was the
good time. I feel that the power of evil is created by us and can be destroyed
by us... We control it's very existance and if we wish we can discard it
forever. Good is the same way. People who choose the paths they follow never
really know that there are more than two paths... A good path and a Bad
path... There's also their own path that they must make themselves by simply
knowing what they feel is right. You all were raised in a religous form of one
way or another... and were incouraged to practice that activity till you
decided you didn't want to anymore... I wasn't incouraged... I chose to make
my own path and go by what I feel is right... And people... That really is the
smart move... but this is my opinion. You all in one way or another belive in
a magical force called evil... I don't... I belive each creats that force he
needs to belive in. Look at the past... Every culture had a religon of some
kind that delt with good and evil... or if you prefer a light side and a dark
side... I belive there is no side... You make the sides inside you. Well I
gabbed enough... See ya all later.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Computer Connections - Hoboken,NJ. HST 9600 (201)-798-0065
Msg#: 396 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
02/23/88 16:09:00 (Read 42 Times)
From: WILD BRAZILIAN
To: ALL
Subj: DEVIL POSSESION
AREA:CULT_MONITOR
Hi.
I just wanted to get a fact straight!
These ass holes you see on shows like Oprah saying they were possesed by the
devil is BULLSHIT! The devil is a lazy person who has OTHER people do his
work.
Usually some ass hole entity will go and possess a person and cause him/her to
do something they would normally not do! And the person
(as well as the entity) get the Karma for it!!!!!! Yes, ALL entitys
reincarnate.. All beings reincarnate (usually to a higher level). I just
wanted to point out the the devil possesionshi[ is BS!
-Wild
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Msg#: 448 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/08/88 20:30:00 (Read 38 Times)
From: LADY QUICHE
To: WILD BRAZILIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 396 (RE: DEVIL POSSESION)
YOU ARE RIGT. tHE DEVI;L--(OK LET ME START OVER) You are right. The devil is a
lazy person that has others do his dirty work! He is ,however, not omniscient,
He will pick on a strong willed person and tempt that person. If the person
resists, the devil will leave them alone.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 554 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 17:24:00 (Read 30 Times)
From: WILD BRAZILIAN
To: LADY QUICHE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 448 (RE: DEVIL POSSESION)
> You are right. The devil is a lazy person that has others do his
> dirty work! He is ,however, not omniscient, He will pick on a
> strong willed person and tempt that person. If the person
> resists, the devil will leave them alone.
I couldn't have said it better myself!!
You are probably the first who aggrees and understands what I am saying!
Have a good one!
-Wild B
--- OverDrive b.15
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Msg#: 593 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/26/88 08:49:00 (Read 30 Times)
From: LADY QUICHE
To: WILD BRAZILIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 554 (RE: DEVIL POSSESION)
Gee, thanx. Not all of the people I know agree with me in this area.
Thank you for your input!
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 678 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/01/88 20:17:12 (Read 23 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: WILD BRAZILIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 396 (DEVIL POSSESION)
In the tradition that I am a part of (shamanism) there is acknowledgement of a
negative force as well as a positive force. In Chiricahua Athapascan, this
force is collectively identified as the Gan'n (both a singular and plural
form) The Gan'n were originally identified as entities living in the
mountains, but since the Chiricahua Teneh were moved away from their holy
place in SE Arizona, they have used that term to refer to any discarnate
entity that is of a non-good nature. I worry about channelers, because when
one opens themselves up to discarnates of any sort, you have the chance of
contacting these nasties. The "earthbounds" (spirits of the departed that are
either lost or refuse to go "home") are almost as bad, being as most of them
are very jealous of the living and want to relive the sensations of being
embodied, and that they are, in general, very disturbed in a clinical sense,
and some are downright Psychotic. Either one can literally take over your
mind if you're not careful. That's why when my board is up, I am NOT going to
run channelled material. That includes "The Book Of The Law", or anything
having to do with "A Course In Miracles". Both are channeled. Then again,
some believe that the Bible is also "channelled". Then again, wot do I know?
Michelle Klein-Hass
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (818)985-2701 (102/744)
Msg#: 404 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/01/88 23:50:00 (Read 42 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: ALL
Subj: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS
First of all, I didn't get to see the Oprah Winfrey show with Mr. Aquino (what
was his full name, by the way?) because I was at work. My mother said she
heard he was the High Priest of the First Church of Satan at Chicago and was a
staunch supported of Anton LaVey, founder of the First Church of Satan in San
Francisco. Did they reveal anything else about him?
Also, have any of you heard anything about a Satanic cult known as the Process
Church of the Final Judgement? We're discussing them over on Scientology
right now, and this cult (which reportedly has disbanded) was one of the
weirdest cults I've ever heard of. The Process had three gods: Jehovah
(symbolizing justice and law), Lucifer (symbolizing energy and life), and
Satan (symbolizing hatred, death, and gore). The weirdest thing of all is the
Jesus Christ was supposedly the unifier of the three. He preached, "Love your
enemies," and apparently the Process has taken this to heart. One minute,
they'll read passages out of the Book of Daniel or Revelation; the next minute
they'll celebrate a Black Mass. The reason we're discussing them on
Scientology is that the Process broke away from Scientology in 1963.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 416 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/03/88 22:56:00 (Read 38 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 404 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
The High Priest of the Temple of Set is Dr. Michael Aquino.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 417 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/03/88 22:59:00 (Read 38 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 416 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Dr. Michael Aquino is the High Priest of the Temple of Set. The Church of
Satan was the first Satanic Church and the predecessor of the Temple of Set.
It is now defunct on account of the entire infrastructure resigned in disgust
when Anton LaVey, (The High Priest of the COS), announced all grades of
initiation is available by CASH contributions only. (Gee, I thought Satanists
were supposed to be materialistic. What's more materialistic than cash
promotion?)
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 428 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/05/88 01:04:00 (Read 38 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 417 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Hmmm...so it isn't in Chicago, after all. Thanks for the name.
If it's the "Temple Of Set," do they still call their deity Satan, or do they
call him Set (after the Egyptian god of evil and the night)? Just curious, as
I haven't seen the show myself. (I was told he looked like a member of
Kraftwerk, only his eyebrows were pointy.)
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 436 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/06/88 02:17:00 (Read 38 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 428 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
The don't really refer to Satan as a deity but as a concept. Satan embodies
materialistic values. (Greed, pleasure etc...) They also enjoy the symbology
and the drama of Satanic imagery.
Personally, I think Aquino is an idiot. He gets in above his head then he
keeps talkin'....
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 446 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/08/88 20:19:00 (Read 40 Times)
From: LADY QUICHE
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 436 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Do satanic cults really kill people and animals? Are you part of a satanic
cult?
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 447 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/08/88 20:26:00 (Read 41 Times)
From: LADY QUICHE
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 446 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Often satanic cults and memebers of them-even non-satanic people will pick
references out of the Bible that they choose to beleive if they disagree with
any one passage, then they will hold ceremoniesw-mostly people in satanic
cults-and they will burn that portion because they think that it is something
man made up. Then they will go ahead and add their portion that praises satan
or something. I am not a satanic person, I am a Baptist. At church training
sessions, sometimes we talk about satanic cults and their impact on society
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 451 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/09/88 00:32:00 (Read 41 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: LADY QUICHE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 447 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I am not part of a Satanic cult. I am Wiccan: A nature-based religion that
respects all life. Some people, who claim to worship Satan, have been
involved in ritualistic slayings. They are, by far, the minority. I have
contacts with the Temple of Set, and though I disagree with their theological
standpoint, they are very intelligent nice people. If you wish, I'll attempt
to describe how I see their organization...
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 455 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/09/88 21:53:00 (Read 42 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 451 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Are you aware of the Temple of Set being a Satanic cult? Might be a dumb
question, but...
I had also heard that one of the leaders of the Temple was a Lieutenant
Colonel in the U.S. Army with expertise in psychological warfare. Is there
any truth to this story?
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 477 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/13/88 19:51:41 (Read 32 Times)
From: MARIE JOHNSON
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 455 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
You are right. Penthouse magazine did an article on Satanism a couple of years
ago, and they said that the leader of the Temple of Set was a Lt. Colonel in
the army with a background in psychological warfare. Constance cumby has also
noted this fact in several of her lectures and tapes.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 481 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 00:08:14 (Read 30 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 451 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
There is PLENTY of evidence that Satanists do murder animals (particularly
german shepards) and people in their rites. However, it is a common error to
confuse Wicca (a term I hate, but since that's what they've elected to call
themselves), a feminine principle dominated religion, with Satanism, a very
militant, male principle dominated religion. In fact, I have this theory that
Satanism is actually Mithraism, which was widespread in Europe at the same
time Christianity was flourishing and which was especially widespread among
soldiers for its worship of military virtues. Connects perfectly to a lot of
Satanic activity today.
Christianity did its best to confuse Wicca and Satanism in the middle ages,
and that confusion still exists with us.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 482 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 00:13:01 (Read 30 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 455 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Yes, Lt. Colonel Aquino, who's involved in a Presidio Day Care Center child
molestation scandal in San Francisco, is head of the Knighthood Of Set, and
was an expert in mind control with the Deltas (and with one Lt. Col. Oliver
North!) in Vietnam... I've been following his case...
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 492 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 10:44:00 (Read 33 Times)
From: MOON DOG
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 482 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Steven, I am *very* interested in your evidence regarding Satanists killing
animals and humans. (*Especially the evidence of them killing humans.) By all
means, don't stop there. Share with us the evidence of their murderous ways.
Perhaps this dangerous group can be halted.
MOON DOG
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 494 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 12:43:00 (Read 34 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 492 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
You made an interesting observation that Satanic cults usually killed German
shepherds. The Process, for some reason unknown to me, ALWAYS kept a lot of
German shepherds at each of its churches/headquarters, and when many factions
broke away from the Process, they started killing those German shepherds as a
symoblic gesture to their former masters, if memory serves me right.
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 985-9054 Dallas, Tx (124/214)
Msg#: 496 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 14:22:00 (Read 33 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 494 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Why do you dislike the name Wicca? It is our religion.
Mithraism is not necessarily Satanic. I know a few guys who like Mithras and
they're not Satanic in any way shape or form.
As far as Satanic groups sacrificing humans or animals, some do, most don't.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 497 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/14/88 14:23:00 (Read 34 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 496 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
What evidence is there to support the charges againstt Aquino? (He, of
course, denies everything.)
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 503 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/16/88 23:48:19 (Read 33 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 492 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
You've read, I take it, THE ULTIMATE EVIL. In addition, up in San Francisco
area there are several trials and investigations going on -- one was covered
in the WEEKLY a couple weeks ago -- involving murders and tortures by
Satanists. Stories keep popping up in the papers, usually buried somewhere in
Section 1. I suggesting reading the Frisco papers and the San Jose Mercury.
There was also a very interesting speech a few months back by the California
Attn. General -- virtually unreported by media -- in which he stated that
evidence indicated one in every 5 missing children in the state of California
was EATEN, and he specifically named Satanism as a prime culprit...
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 504 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/16/88 23:52:47 (Read 33 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 496 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I just have always thought Wicca was a silly artificial name, and despite it's
supposed "ancientness," it seems to me it was made up by whatsername who
started the modern version of the witcheraft/nature worship. But that's just
a personal feeling, with no weight intended to it. It strikes me in much the
same way that Crowley's pretentiousness with the spelling of "magick" does.
There are still practicing Mithraics? Tell me more...
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 505 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/16/88 23:55:32 (Read 33 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 497 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
According to the newspaper articles I've read about Aquino, there is testimony
of at least one child who not only recognized Aquino but was ale ... pardon my
typing... able to accurately describe both Aquino's wife and the inside of his
house, even though Aquino claims the child has never been there. Plus there's
time elements that have been checked out. I doubt they have enough to convict
Aquino of anything, the Army isn't giving any cooperation whatsoever (they are
perfectly willing to try to drive out homosexuals who have done nothing and do
their jobs well, but they refuse to even put on suspension a Satanist
suspected of child abuse, torture and possibly murder), and very few child
testimonies sway juries. But there are very strong indications that Aquino is
very heavily involved in the activities he's accused of being in.
Just to make you feel real comfortable about the situation, did you know that
Aquino has the highest security clearance available in the Army?
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 508 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/15/88 08:24:00 (Read 33 Times)
From: BRIGID DRAGONCHILD
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 505 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Just out of curiousity, what term do you prefer to Wicca?
Dragonchild
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 537 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/18/88 10:15:00 (Read 31 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 508 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I have no idea who you mean by "whatsername". To my knowledge, the current
revival of Wicca was revived by Gerald Gardner.
I don't know much about the Mithraics other than they're a blast to party
with. (Don't know them well enough yet.)
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 538 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/18/88 10:17:00 (Read 30 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 537 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I have nothing against Aquino because of his religion, but I do have something
against him because of his profession....
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 547 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 23:17:06 (Read 30 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 537 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I mean Margaret (I think) something something. Some woman who used all three
names. I wish I could remember, as I used to know it quite well...
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 548 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 23:18:20 (Read 28 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 538 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I honestly don't believe that one is separate from the other...
--- TBBS v2.0
* Origin: Cult Monitor LA (213)876-9343 (102/744)
Msg#: 565 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/25/88 00:26:44 (Read 35 Times)
From: JOHN MARSHALL
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 497 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Mr. Grant, The FBI dropped the investigation on Aquino, the Army dropped the
investigation on Aquino, the SFPD has returned the confiscated Aquino
property, when you say that there is evidence against the man you feel is
strong what is it? It's obvious you have problems dealing with Aquino, is it
because he has a PHD, has taught at the UNiv. of Santa Barbra? he's an Army
officer, is an expert on psychological warfare?
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 566 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/22/88 10:26:00 (Read 34 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 565 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
The only Margaret I think you may be thinking of is Margaret Murray O'Hair,
the founder of the American Atheism movement. She had nothing to do with the
Neo-Pagan movement.
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Msg#: 567 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/22/88 10:27:00 (Read 35 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 566 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I see your point. Maybe the U.S. Army is a Satanic front! ;) (Gee, guess I
better get this one on Conspiracy....
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Msg#: 569 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/22/88 21:33:00 (Read 32 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 567 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Her first name is Madalyn, not Margaret. ;)
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Msg#: 570 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/22/88 21:34:00 (Read 33 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 569 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Better tell Robert Anton Wilson about this...a novel about a Satanic Army
would certainly make one hell of a book! I know it's a bad pun, but...
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Msg#: 577 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/25/88 23:15:33 (Read 32 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 567 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
It's funny you should mention it...
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Msg#: 597 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/27/88 21:53:00 (Read 32 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: JOHN MARSHALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 577 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Think you have the wrong guy....
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Msg#: 679 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/01/88 20:30:54 (Read 24 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 451 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
All I consider so-called "Satanists" to be is just Christian Heretics. I am
Pagan (shamanist) too. Satan has nothing to do with my belief system or
paradigm. There IS negative energy/entities. But Satan is as much a Christian
paradigm as Jesus Christ. MK-H
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Msg#: 680 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/01/88 20:33:49 (Read 23 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: STEVEN GRANT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 481 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
THEY MURDER GERMAN SHEPHERDS???? Better tell my friend to lock up her dog...
That makes me MAD! MK-H
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Msg#: 777 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/21/88 20:00:05 (Read 22 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: STEVEN GRANT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 481 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
How interesting! Satanists like the Mithriades! Very good analogy. True
Satanist organizations use Nazi symbols: swastika and SS especially. Mythras
was too much even for the Romans!
GT
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Msg#: 778 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/21/88 20:06:21 (Read 22 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: STEVEN GRANT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 503 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
Cal. Attorney General and disappearing children -- Very interesting, Steven.
Has anyone attempted to cross-reference children's disappearances [not custody
fights] with Satanic holidays? Do the abductions spike up two weeks prior to
key observances? Perhaps the same statistical profile for rapes of young
girls? Random attacks?
GT
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Msg#: 955 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 08:16:00 (Read 12 Times)
From: ELIAS LEVI
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 778 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I would agree!
The Process is beyond question a dangerous group of people!
Manson and Son of Sam have strong ties to the Process.
This is not conjecture! It has been verified and documented
absolutely! Not to mention the admission of same by the above
named murderers!
Manson has been visited by Process representatives in prision.
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Msg#: 956 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 08:18:00 (Read 12 Times)
From: ELIAS LEVI
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 955 (RE: SATANISTS AND THE PROCESS)
I beg to differ!
Mithrias (correct spelling) was a god and organization whose
membership included most of the Roman army!
Where did you get your information?
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Msg#: 456 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/10/88 00:49:00 (Read 39 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: SATANISTS
Yes. The Temple of Set is the only Federally recognized Satanic church. It's
predecessor was the Church of Satan founded by Anton LaVey. After Anton said
that all grades were attainable by cash contribution only, almost the entire
infrastructure resigned and formed today's Temple of Set which is now headed
by Dr. Michael Aquino. Michael is a LtCol woth U.S. Army intelligence.
(Great qualifications for a Satanic High Priest, eh?)
T.O.S. also has a BBS in Michigan. I'll dig up the number if you want it....
Sure wish their were some real Satanists here. Their "religion" really is
quite fascinating. I disagree with 99.9% of it, but it's still
somethin'.........
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Msg#: 458 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/11/88 06:51:41 (Read 40 Times)
From: SYSOP
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 456 (SATANISTS)
I would like to get the number of the T.O.S. BBS. I think they have called
here before and checked this section, but didn't post messages.
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Msg#: 459 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/10/88 18:50:00 (Read 36 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 458 (RE: SATANISTS)
I don't think I'd ever call a Satanist board, but thanks anyway.
One more question: Do they view their diety as the traditional Satan, or do
they view him as the Egyptian god Set?
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Msg#: 462 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/10/88 22:59:00 (Read 36 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 459 (RE: SATANISTS)
As far as I can tell, both. (Please understand that as Pagans, we may worship
multiple deites. The Satanists do the same thing.) They enjoy Satanic
imagery of all kinds and Set is pretty obviously left-hand path...
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Msg#: 517 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/17/88 20:31:56 (Read 31 Times)
From: DAY LILY
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 456 (SATANISTS)
Who would expect any Satanists to actually speak up when there are people out
there muttering about eating babies and sacrificing dogs? Seems to me that
these people have the same public relations problem as the Wiccans, only much
worse.
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Msg#: 779 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/21/88 20:14:21 (Read 18 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 456 (SATANISTS)
Are you so sure there are no Satanists here, Draco?
Your notice about Aquino being in Army Intelligence (this was the first
example of the charming term "oxymoron" that I ever heard: "Army
Intelligence") is quite fascinating. Are you aware that the perpetrators of
the Son of SAM murders in New York were known to the intelligence community
before any of the investigations hit pay-dirt?
Perhaps your Colonel Aquino knows more than he lets on.
GT
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Msg#: 967 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/30/88 22:11:00 (Read 14 Times)
From: DRACO ...
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 779 (RE: SATANISTS)
I posted that message some 3 months ago, so I know not what you are talking
about. At that time, there were no Satanists present. Welcome....
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Msg#: 969 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/04/88 19:58:41 (Read 11 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: DRACO ...
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 967 (RE: SATANISTS)
Hello Draco. I'm not a Satanist -- was just wondering if there were any here.
Thank you for the welcome,
GT
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Msg#: 523 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/16/88 22:49:00 (Read 26 Times)
From: MOON DOG
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: HUMANS?
BTW, Steven, I'm still waiting for some evidence from you, that Satanists are
killing humans. If they are, and you have evidence of it, something MUST be
done to stop them.
MOON DOG
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Msg#: 528 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/18/88 20:45:08 (Read 26 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 523 (HUMANS?)
It depends what you call evidence, Dog. I haven't personally witnessed any
Satanic murders, and the police say they've never had any proof that Satanists
kill people. All I have to go on is newspaper reports of trials involving
Satanists. As I said, the most recent article I read along those lines was in
the LA WEEKLY of two weeks ago, which talked about a San Francisco case that's
currently underway. A man says he was recruited by Satanists and as his
initiation, he had to kidnap, torture and kill another man. He tried to avoid
it, and eventually managed to bring the cops in.
A few nights ago on Channel 13 news, they interviewed a woman who claims she
was tortured and raped by a Satanic cult while a child, that her parents were
in on it, that she witnessed other children being dismembered WHILE ALIVE and
subsequently killed. She said it has taken her many years of therapy to go
public with this, that everyone involved was tortured and terrified of death
at the hands of the cult should they ever say what they saw or experienced,
which is why she has kept her mouth shut up until now. Cops interviewed
dismissed the whole things.
There are plenty of these reports around, little noted and not long
remembered. But all of them are surprisingly consistent. So I dunno... I'm
just keeping track of these things as best I can... you'll have to make up
your own mind about what's real and what's not...
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Msg#: 542 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/20/88 00:07:00 (Read 23 Times)
From: MOON DOG
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 528 (RE: HUMANS?)
Automatically, I see a couple of problems, here.
One: Much of what people are referring to, as far as claims of "Satanists"
doing this or that come from newspapers. Despite *any* lofty claims,
newspapers are in business to sell newspapers, not to disseminate the truth.
So, Joe Bloe, who lives next door claims that "a buncha these here Satanists
came to me to rent this place and...". Of course, the newspaper quotes him,
and starts using the term Satanist all thru' it's article, because everyone
knows that articles about Satanism sell papers. (I, by the way, am guilty of
having written for two legitimate newspapers, and several "underground"
newspapers in my illustrious career.)
TWO: There is no (that I know of) copyright on the term Satanist, and anyone
can bandy it about at will. (Of course, even if it DID have a copyright on it,
people could still misuse it.) Because I call myself a Satanist (just an
example, I *AM NOT* really a Satanist), does that automatically make me one?
Likewise, because I call myself a Christian (again, just an example, I *AM
NOT* really a Christian), does that automatically make me one? So...some
atrocious acts *MAY* have been committed, and these alleged acts *MAY* have
been committed by someone who *calls* themselves Satanists. Or....some
atrocious acts *MAY* have been committed, and SOMEONE ELSE may have called the
alleged perpetrators Satanists. Any time the police find evidence of burned
candles, and/or a pentagram, they label the area "the scene of Satanist
activity". I've seen it happen time and time again.
So....WHAT DO WE REALLY HAVE HERE???
Do we have a crime committed by Satanists? Do we have a crime committed by
people who just call themselves Satanists? Do we have a crime committed by
people that others have labeled Satanists? Or could we have even ANOTHER
possibility???? Could we have a crime committed by a person or persons who
WANT others to think that they are Satanists?????
Remember...just because I call myself a Satanist does not make it the truth.
Just because I call YOU a Satanist does not make it the truth. And just
because someone finds something that they LABEL as being Satanist, does not
make the people that were there Satanists. A pentagram does not a Satanist
make....any more than a cross makes a Christian. (The KKK use crosses in their
rituals, but I certainly would not call THEM Christians.)
So what evidence do you really have?
MOON DOG
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Msg#: 551 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 23:26:45 (Read 26 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 542 (RE: HUMANS?)
If newspapers were selling Satanism, I'd agree with your point. But most
newspapers bury such stories way back in the first section. If they were out
for sensationalism, they'd put them on the front page.
And yes, there IS a lot of sloppy journalism in this country, and there is a
lot of putting the wrong name on things. But most journalists ARE relatively
honest, and I don't believe they go around applying the name "satanic" to
things just because they're there. That sort of thing is done by the moral
majority, but it's the sort of thing that loses reporters their jobs.
What evidence do I have? If you reject printed accounts and testimony as
overblown, faked or irrelevant, none. I don't personally know any Satanists
anymore, I haven't seen any of the Satanic snuff films (with ceremonies) that
I hear are available on the black market (one particular one made by Satanists
in Indianapolis that I've heard of), and I haven't witnessed any Satanic
masses. So, no proof. You're welcome to try to track down a Satanic cult and
watch them slaughter someone if you like...
But they probably wouldn't do that in front of you, anyway.
I'll transcribe the article I've got on the S.F. Aquino case if you want...
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Msg#: 556 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 21:12:00 (Read 25 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 551 (RE: HUMANS?)
Interesting that you should mention the pentagram...before Satanists started
using it, the pentagram was actually a Christian symbol, displayed with one
point upwards instead of two. The pentagram, to the early Christians, was
composed of three interlocking triangles, each one representing a person of
the Holy Trinity. Pentagrams can still be found in some of the older
Christian churches in Europe.
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Msg#: 559 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/23/88 23:37:46 (Read 24 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 556 (RE: HUMANS?)
The pentagram pointing up is still a Christian symbol, if a bit arcane. The
pentagram pointing down is a Satanic symbol...
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Msg#: 564 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/25/88 00:15:02 (Read 25 Times)
From: JOHN MARSHALL
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 542 (RE: HUMANS?)
Excellent points. I would disagree with the gentleman who says that Satanism
does not make front page news. I have a file full of 'em. To date no member of
a legally recognized Satanic Organization has been found guilty of the
atrocities which are oftesaid to be the handiwork of Satanists. Actual
Satanism is completely misunderstood by the public sector as can be seen by
the materials regading Satanism which are on this system. The Temple of Set
-america's only fully recognid legal non-profit Satanic Church has a BBS in
Mich. called the National Satanic BBS. It is excellent. The number is
517-694-1273. Glad to see someone use the devil's tool of logic and see a bit
clearly about the whole matter.
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Msg#: 576 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/25/88 23:13:28 (Read 26 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: JOHN MARSHALL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 564 (RE: HUMANS?)
Yes, well, we'll see what happens as the Michael Aquino/Presidio case
continues...
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Msg#: 580 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/24/88 23:05:00 (Read 25 Times)
From: MOON DOG
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 576 (RE: HUMANS?)
Thanks, Metallica, for that information. I was not aware of that *at all*. The
earliest use of the pentagram that I have is pre-Xtian. The Seal of Solomon, I
believe, features the five pointed star.
Incidentally, as a Wiccan, I wear the pentagram. (With one point upright.)
MOON DOG
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Msg#: 582 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/26/88 14:06:54 (Read 25 Times)
From: JOHN MARSHALL
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 576 (RE: HUMANS?)
Gee, haven't you heard the latest? The Army called off its investigation
months ago, as did the FBI and the Army investigative services. The little
girl you mentioned who allegedly pinned Dr.Aquino is the daughter of an Army
Chaplain, this same child did the same thing to another person the year
before-the case was thrown out of court then- methinks dad may be trying to
influence the 3 year old? Maybe Army Chaplain doesn't like Satanic High
Priest's in the Army? At any rate the Chaplain now faces possible
court-martial charges for bring up a false charge against a fellow officer.
Yes, we'll wait and see, it's only been going on nine months and no charges
have been made. As far as the Presidio case goes all charges were dropped
against the Hambreight(?) fellow. Aquino has been completely exonerated by all
official investigative service involved in that affair -which couldn't place
the man there anyways- he was in Wahington D.C. -across the country- going to
school for the Army.
Take care....
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Msg#: 586 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/26/88 01:37:00 (Read 23 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: MOON DOG
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 582 (RE: HUMANS?)
I believe you're right. It just sort of took me by suprise when I looked
through a book of Christian symbols and found the pentagram sitting right in
the middle of the page!! But I think the design itself had older origins than
with either the Christians or the Satanists, as you pointed out.
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Msg#: 587 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/26/88 01:41:00 (Read 23 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: JOHN MARSHALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 586 (RE: HUMANS?)
America's ONLY recognized Satanic establishment? Whatever happened to LaVey's
church? (By any chance, are you a Satanist?)
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Msg#: 526 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/18/88 20:40:02 (Read 24 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: BRIGID DRAGONCHILD
Subj: NAMES OF THE GODDESS
I don't know. What are my choices?
I didn't say I had a BETTER name than Wicca, I just thought I said Wicca
sounded kind of silly...
Earth worship, I guess. Gaia.
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Msg#: 557 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 21:21:00 (Read 27 Times)
From: BRIGID DRAGONCHILD
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 526 (RE: NAMES OF THE GODDESS)
How does Earthcraft strike you?
It's my personal choice...
Dragonchild
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Msg#: 560 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/23/88 23:38:46 (Read 26 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: BRIGID DRAGONCHILD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 557 (RE: NAMES OF THE GODDESS)
Yeah, Earthcraft is nice. I like it.
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Msg#: 681 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/01/88 20:39:05 (Read 22 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: STEVEN GRANT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 526 (NAMES OF THE GODDESS)
I prefer to think of Wicca (which is a legitimate Saxon word for Witch, or
Wise Woman, and has a little less bad rep than Witch) as European Shamanism.
It is amazing how much the shamanism of Siberia and the Americas has in common
with Wicca. MK-H
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Msg#: 543 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/20/88 00:42:00 (Read 23 Times)
From: DAVID BOWMAN
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: PAN
Very true, but my point was that they chose to use Pan as the image of thier
adversary. Pan and Dionysus are two separate enitities, one is not the
servant of the other despite what some may have thought.
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Msg#: 552 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/21/88 23:35:07 (Read 23 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DAVID BOWMAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 543 (PAN)
Historically, Pan worship predates that of Dionysus and the other Olympian
gods by some time, true.
But the Christians dealt with Pan long after Dionysus and Pan had become
commonly identified with each other in the Hellenized East, mostly due to them
both being associated with goats and fertility. And they continued to
identify Pan with Dionysus and thought of Dionysus as one of the worst enemies
of the Christian cult, because of characteristics Dionysus had in common with
Christ...
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Msg#: 595 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/27/88 19:33:00 (Read 25 Times)
From: DAVID BOWMAN
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 552 (RE: PAN)
Would you give me some references concerning all this: Dionsysus, Pan, and
their relations with early Christianity. I would greatly appreciate the info.
Thanks.
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Msg#: 601 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/30/88 21:30:47 (Read 29 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: DAVID BOWMAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 595 (RE: PAN)
Okay. Give me a few days to look up the titles. Two good books about
Dionysus -- don't recall if they have any specific info on this topic or not
-- are DIONYSUS:MYTH AND CULT, by Walter F. Otto, and SHIVA AND DIONYSUS, by
Alain Danielou.
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Msg#: 606 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/31/88 15:27:00 (Read 26 Times)
From: DAVID BOWMAN
To: STEVEN GRANT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 601 (RE: PAN)
Thanks, and I appreciate you taking the time to hunt up the other references.
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Msg#: 561 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/24/88 22:48:08 (Read 25 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC CHURCH & STATE
APn 03/21 1513 Prison-Satanism
ATMORE, Ala. (AP) -- A federal magistrate denied a prisoner's request for
materials to worship Satan, ruling that Satanism is not a religion and the
knitting needles he wanted for bloodletting would pose a security risk.
Holman Prison inmate Charles McCorkle had filed a lawsuit against state
officials, claiming he was prevented from practicing Satanism at the
maximum-security prison.
Besides asking for the Satanic bible and other books on the occult, McCorkle
asked for knitting needles to draw blood for his rituals.
U.S. Magistrate William Cassady ruled earlier this month that "Satanism is an
unreligion," instead of a religion.
"It is a philosophy of life that rejects all religions and promotes the idea
that man should not be subservient to any natural or supernatural being,"
Cassady ruled.
If McCorkle's requests were granted, the magistrate ruled, he would "create a
severe security risk to prison officials and other inmates."
McCorkle's suit earlier was dismissed as frivolous, but the 11th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals in Atlanta ordered a hearing on the claim, which prompted
Cassady's review.
In his 11-page recommendation, the magistrate said McCorkle has a history of
psychiatric disorders, has attempted suicide by slashing his wrists and has
admitted to a previous addiction to numerous drugs, including heroin.
Assistant Attorney General David Christy, who defended the prison system,
applauded Cassady's decision.
"This is the first time I've seen where a judge held unequivocably (Satanism)
is not a religion," Christy said.
McCorkle is serving a 40-year sentence on three separate burglary convictions.
He claimed if he had the proper reading materials and articles needed for his
rituals, he could practice magic and gain mental and physical prowess over
others, including prison officials, and could "curse others even to the point
of death."
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Msg#: 563 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/24/88 23:54:52 (Read 25 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: STEVEN GRANT (Rcvd)
Subj: CHICAGO AREA MURDERS
3-23-88 Supreme Court upholds three death sentences
By CAROL KNOWLES
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (UPI) _ The Supreme Court upheld the murder convictions and
death sentences of three men Wednesday, including Edward Spreitzer, an alleged
member of a devil worshiping cult believed responsible for as many as 18
deaths in Cook and Du Page counties in 1981 and 1982.
Justices upheld Spreitzer's conviction for the mutilation death of Linda
Sutton, a 26-year-old Chicago prostitute, who was found dead in a field in
Villa Park in 1981, her breasts amputated and her hands cuffed behind her
back.
They set a Sept. 13 execution for the 27-year-old Chicago man, who is on Death
Row at the Pontiac Correctional Center, but that date likey will be postponed
pending further appeals.
During discussions with police, Spreitzer, who has an IQ of 76 and was
described as "borderline defective" in intellectual ability, confessed to his
involvement in as many as nine murders, many of which also involved breast
amputation and "having sex" with the women victims' wounds.
The Sutton case was Spreitzer's fifth murder conviction. He also is serving
four life sentences for the murders of four other individuals.
Spreitzer had challenged his conviction and sentence in the Sutton murder on
several grounds, including conflict of interest because a lawyer from the
state's attorney's office became a public defender during his case and because
prosecutors tried to prejudice the jury by bringing up the question of whether
Spreitzer and the others involved participated in devil worship with the
breasts.
The Supreme Court rejected all of Spreitzer's arguments, saying any errors in
the trial were not great enough to change the outcome. But it reduced to 30
years his original 60-year-sentence for aggravated kidnapping.
Robin Gecht, 34, of Carpentersville, who police say was the ringleader of the
cult, is serving an extended sentence at the Menard Correctional Center for
attempted murder, rape, aggravated kidnapping and deviate sexual assault.
Andrew Kokoralelis, 24, is serving a life sentence for murder at Menard, while
his brother, Thomas, 27, is serving a 70-year-term at Pontiac on murder
charges, but his conviction was overturned. Both men, also believed by police
to be members of the alleged cult, have their cases on appeal.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 588 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/26/88 02:13:00 (Read 24 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: JASON MOORE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 563 (RE: CHICAGO AREA MURDERS)
I wonder if perhaps these Satanists were connected with the Process or one of
its offshoots? There was this California art dealer named Andrew Crispo who
was a member of a Satanic cult believed to have descended from the Process
(and who was also a homosexual) who helped stab to death a Norweigian
homosexual named Eigil Dag Vessil (or something like that) and sexually
penetrated the wounds, as you said was done with the mutilated women in
Chicago. (The Process once had a few chapters in operation there, from what I
understand.)
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 591 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/27/88 19:48:22 (Read 25 Times)
From: STEVEN GRANT
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 588 (RE: CHICAGO AREA MURDERS)
The Process indeed had very active chapters in Chicago and in Madison, WI in
the early to mid seventies. I used to run into the black caped geeks all the
time...
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Msg#: 622 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
04/13/88 15:27:00 (Read 23 Times)
From: MARIBETH DREHER
To: STEVEN GRANT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 591 (RE: CHICAGO AREA MURDERS)
The Process was really big in New Orleans, too. A good friend in Canada says
they were really bit in Toronto.
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Msg#: 573 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/25/88 18:40:08 (Read 25 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: JOHN MARSHALL (Rcvd)
Subj: TEMPLE OF SET
The trouble with the Temple of set is what the lady said on the Oprah Winfrey
Show: It's up-side-down. Black is white, good is evil, evil is good, truth
is lies, peace is war--or in the case of the Army Colonel, maybe ware is
peace. They hang the Christian symbol of the five pointed star upside-down
and make it their symbol. They use the Crucifix upside down. You say that
logic is the tool of the devil, but in the inverse nature of this reasoning,
then did you really mean a lack of logic? When you say you're telling the
truth, then does that mean you're telling a lie? Are these paradoxes what
this revolting organization is all about?
You talk about the talents of Dr. Aquino. I found it interesting that it was
hard for him to defend himself from Ophra. His "Psychological Warfare"
talents don't make me shudder. I appall his admiration of the Third Reich
because of its use of occultism.
Set has an image problem. If you are all just a great bunch of guys, then why
do you call yourself "Satanists". I understand that in a world of
conventional communication, that Satanism connotes "evil."
Come on, what is this really all about?
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Msg#: 581 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/26/88 13:50:26 (Read 24 Times)
From: JOHN MARSHALL
To: JASON MOORE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 573 (TEMPLE OF SET)
Mr. moore, It is obvious you are entirely ignorant about the Temple of Set's
philosophy. I would hardly think that Dr. Aquino didn't defend himself well
against Oprah. The thing is he wasn't there to defend anything. He was there
to provide information regarding the Temple and did so very well. It wasn't
confrontational -except by those whose intent it was to do so- it cetainly
wasn't the Dr. Aquino's. Your simple minded concept of the Temple as being
some kind of inverse christianity is ridiculous. Mentioning the Pentagram
etc.. showed your ignorance on the subject. The reason that there is interest
in the Pentagram has to do with its mathematical structure -i.e. it being
built upon the "golden mean" or "golden ratio" of the ancient egyptians -far
outdating christianity by thousands of years. The essential dichotomy of the
Temple of Set lies upon inclusion into the natural order of the universe or
separation from it. Inclusion implies the dissolution of the individual
personality into the fabric of the universe, strengthening the separation is
probably the only method to avoid that loss of self and ego. There is
nothing evil -in the doing bad to other's context- involved in this. It is
personal, individual and unique to each.
as far as image problem goes, it comes with the territory. What do you expect
when you have to fight centuries of propaganda, begun during the inquisitions,
and taken from the confessions of tortured inquisition victims. The christians
claimed 13 million lives during that period, not to mention decimation of the
Inca race and few other goodies. So it's an uphill battle-fighting narrow
views, which are based upon ignorance- but its one that's going well. BBS'S
such as this and the National Satanic BBS in Mich and Connecticut allow ACTUAL
views on Satanism to be cast out.
You see Mr. Moore, there is a Satanic line of thought which can be traced back
to ancient egypt, it is a line of thought which has nothing to do with the
popular conception of Satan as espoused by the Judaeo-Christian mainstream.
Take care jm
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Msg#: 596 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
03/27/88 20:24:00 (Read 26 Times)
From: LORD METALLICA
To: JOHN MARSHALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 581 (RE: TEMPLE OF SET)
You're forgetting something. You would have to search far and wide to find
ANY Christians nowadays who believe that the atrocities the Spanish
Inquisition performed in the 1500's were sanctioned by God. It's just that
they were supported by the Holy Mother Church in Rome, which was still the
only church in the whole of southern Europe. No one dared to speak out
against the Inquisition because they knew that if they did, they would face
the same fate as the Inquisition's other victims.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 613 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
04/08/88 19:46:11 (Read 21 Times)
From: MARIE JOHNSON
To: LORD METALLICA
Subj: PENTAGRAMS
There is a Gregorian chapel in Shawnee Okla. that has a pentagram and a
pyramid with the all seeing eye in the stained glass windows
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 657 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/22/88 11:04:33 (Read 25 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC CULT? ATLANTA
4 05-21-88 04:38 ped Police grow more wary of devil-worshipers
ATLANTA (UPI) _ Some metro Atlanta police officers are paying closer attention
to reports of devil-worship, believing the practice may be increasingly
related to crimes in the area.
The most notable crime linked to the occult in the area occurred in Douglas
County in January, when a 15-year-old runaway girl was murdered in what
investigators said was a Satanic ritual.
One defendant in that slaying, Terry Belcher, was convicted of murder last
week and sentenced to life in prison. Belcher admitted he had been involved in
the killing but denied any cult involvement, and the case shed no light on
widespread allegations that devil-worship was involved in the girl's death.
But several law enforcement officers say occult connections in crimes seldom
are mentioned in court, since prosecutors are wary of trying to prove a motive
that many judges or jurors find hard to believe.
"You have a dead body, malice, a murder," he said. "Why complicate it with all
these allegations about rituals?"
But police nevertheless are increasingly interested in learning about Satanism
as an aspect of crime, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported in Sunday's
editions.
Dabblers in Satanism are likely to leave evidence such as animal remains or
symbols such as the number 666 or a pentagram at crime scenes, investigators
say.
"Worshiping the devil is not a crime, but there are sometimes crimes related
to the rituals," said Douglas County District Attorney Frank Winn.
"When you find literally dozens of officers communicating, and the facts being
very similar in cases, it makes you sit up and take notice that there must be
some truth to it," said Cobb County Police Sgt. Joe Renner, who has attended
several seminars about Satanism in the past year.
Cobb Police Capt. Sharon Moody said she knows of no convictions in which
Satanism was a factor in the cases.
"But I know some of these officers and they don't overreact," she said. "I
don't think you can chalk this up to us looking for something that isn't
there. I do think it's out there."
Renner said more parents are calling him to discuss their children's possible
involvement in the occult, and officers say much of the alleged Satanism
involves teenagers.
Cynthia Kisser, executive director of the Cult Awareness Network, a non-profit
group in Chicago that distributes information about cult activity, said she
knows of only one case involving Satanism in which the practice was proven in
court. But she noted an apparent increase in public interest in the occult.
Kisser estimates that 95 percent of teenagers who dabble in Satanism are
interested only in trappings such as heavy metal rock music, clothing or
jewelry and do not become seriously involved.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 658 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/22/88 11:06:29 (Read 23 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC CULT? AKRON, COLORADO
APn 05/21 2301 Satanic Cult
AKRON, Colo. (AP) -- An 11-month investigation into reports of sexual abuse at
a day-care home has triggered fears that a satanic cult may have preyed on
children, a Denver newspaper reported.
No criminal charges have been filed, and the day-care home operator denies the
charges.
The Denver Post said in a story in its Sunday editions that seven children who
attended the home have recently received therapy. Five continue with
therapists, paid for through the state's victim compensation fund.
Authorities believe at least two other children could be victims, the Post
reported, but their parents have refused to cooperate with investigators.
"These are by far the most severely disturbed children I have ever seen," an
unnamed child-care expert told the newspaper. "The emotional impacts are
astounding. Entire families are thrown into chaos over this."
One youngster described vivid details involving a ceremonial decapitation of a
young boy named Bobby. Washington County Undersheriff Steve Vosburg says he
regards that report "very seriously," although no body has been found and no
local children have been reported missing.
Other children told of rape and sodomy inflicted by masked and hooded adults
during ceremonial torture sessions. One 4-year-old identified a pentagram -- a
common satanic symbol -- and associated it with the day-care home, the Post
said.
During therapy or as told to parents, the Post said, the children have
described adults who frightened them with guns, knives, swords, power saws and
cattle prods.
The day-care home was operated by Hazel Riggs, 67, who surrendered her license
Sept. 15 -- 10 weeks after she was questioned by Vosburg and a social worker.
"I completely deny all these charges ... and hope you look into this case
thoroughly because this is not true," she wrote in a Sept. 15 response to a
letter from Elizabeth Kester, the state's licensing administrator. "I do not
wish to do any more day-care."
Vosburg says the case remains open.
A search of the day-care home on May 5 turned up no evidence, Vosburg said.
His investigation is further harmed, he said, by parents who refuse to allow
their children to be interviewed.
District Attorney Doyle T. Johns, who is responsible for filing charges,
refused to comment, saying he does not discuss active investigations.
Although he is skeptical of any links to devil worship, Vosburg adds, "I'd
like to know where (the children) are getting these stories if there's nothing
to them."
Therapists, parents and social workers are less willing than Vosburg to
dismiss a satanic link. "We know it is going on," an unnamed county official
told the Post. "We just can't prove it."
Disturbances among the children, who range from preschool age to about 12,
include depression and suicidal feelings, nightmares, regressive development,
outbursts against other children, spells of fear and terror, and general
distrust, the newspaper said.
--- TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 659 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/22/88 11:09:34 (Read 21 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC CULT? OVERTON, TEXAS
1 05-16-88 09:54 pcd
OVERTON, Texas (UPI) _ An East Texas sheriff said Monday he believes Satan
worshippers broke into a grave at an East Texas cemetery last Friday,
scattered bones and took some of the remains for use in a worship service.
Smith County Sheriff J.B. Smith said the remains were found Sunday scattered
around a cemetery near Overton, about 20 miles east of Tyler.
Smith said he believes the grave was broken into on Friday the 13th, which he
said is a holy day for Satan worshippers.
"I think it was done on Friday the 13th. That's one of their holidays," Smith
said. "All we have is circumstantial evidence, but that's part of their
ritual, having a human bone in part of their ceremonies."
No satanic symbols were found in the area, and only one grave was disturbed,
Smith said. The graverobbers apparently took a bone from the right forearm of
the corpse and scattered other bones around the gravesite, he added.
County Marshal Larry Farquer of Overton said he doubts the damage was the work
of a devil-worship cult because no satanic symbols were found in the area.
Jud Morrison, a policeman from nearby Whitehouse who attended a recent seminar
on the practices of Satan worshippers, said true cultists normally take a leg
bone from a corpse. But he said some graverobbers are teens "who make up their
own rules as they go along."
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Msg#: 660 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/22/88 11:11:02 (Read 22 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: ALTOONA, PA GRAVE ROBBERS
2 05-18-88 07:21 ped Police: Suspects opened graves to get coffin handles
ALTOONA, Pa. (UPI) _ Two unemployed men Wednesday confessed to digging up and
plundering two graves to get antique metal coffin handles to sell for scrap,
police said.
The two unidentified men confessed to the March grave robberies during
interviews with authorities, said Police Chief Peter Starr.
"I think I could find an easier way to make a living myself," Starr said. "The
ground at these gravesites contained a lot of shale. It would have been a
difficult undertaking. I just couldn't see doing that."
The gravesites were located in Black's Cemetery, a burial ground named after a
local family and dating back to the early 1900s.
Police previously believed the grave openings were the work of satanic cult
members. But the suspects said they did not know anything about several
mysterious symbols left on the graves, and said the marks had been there for
some time, the chief said.
Police expected to file a criminal complaint next week charging the two
suspects with grave tampering and criminal mischief.
The suspects told police they did not see any human remains, just relics of
the caskets, from which they allegedly removed the metal handles, the chief
said.
"We haven't had a professional reopen the graves yet," Starr said. "All I'm
going by in this statement is what the individuals told us. They didn't see
the bodies, any human remains. All they saw was the remains of the caskets.
And they removed the handles."
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Msg#: 672 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/30/88 11:55:17 (Read 19 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC SLAYING? JOPLIN, MO
CAMDENTON, Mo. (UPI) _ An 18-year-old rural Joplin man Wednesdaywas sentenced
to life in prison for his role in the beating death of ahigh school classmate,
who authorities say was sacrificed in some typeof satan worship.
James Hardy, who was an honor student and senior class president at the time
of his arrest, was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole
by Camden County Circuit Judge James Franklin. The case was moved from Jasper
County on a change of venue.
Hardy pleaded guilty April 29 to first-degree murder in the slaying of Steven
Newberry, 19, also of rural Joplin.
Newberry's body was found Dec. 7, along with the beaten body of a cat, in an
abandoned well near the Kansas border in southwest Missouri. Authorities said
the youth had been struck repeatedly with baseball bats the night before his
body was discovered.
Hardy and two other students charged in the slaying attended Carl Junction
High School with Newberry.
Prosecutors said the three were involved in satanism, violent rock music and
drugs. Hardy was the leader in the plan to kill Newberry in a satanic
sacrifice, testimony has indicated.
Earlier this month, Ronald Clements, 17, of Carl Junction, was convicted of
first-degree murder in Jasper County Circuit Court after a three-day trial in
Carthage. He also was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of
parole, though prosecutors sought the death penalty _ the only other sentence
under a first-degree murder conviction.
Theron Roland, 17, also of Carl Junction, is scheduled to be tried on a charge
of first-degree murder June 14 in Sedalia. The prosecutor said he will seek
the death penalty if the youth is convicted.
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Msg#: 675 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
05/30/88 12:41:56 (Read 21 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: ITALY SATANIC CULT?
APn 05/28 1240 Italy-Satanic Cult
COSENZA, Italy (AP) -- Police arrested 35 people at an isolated farmhouse and
discovered indications of satanic ritual, along with piles of money, an arms
cache and a corpse bearing signs of Mafia-style execution, newspapers said
Saturday.
"We still don't know how much the Mafia and black magic were involved in this
affair," investigating magistrate Luigi Belvedere was quoted as saying in the
Paese Sera newspaper.
The raid was ordered after a man showed up Wednesday night at a hospital in
this southern city. He was suffering from gunshot wounds and said he had been
involved in a bizarre religious ritual.
Following the tip, police went to the farmhouse and found 35 young people
holding hands and murmuring "Hail Mary" around a table with a picture of the
Virgin Mary and one of Antonio Naccarato. On the floor lay a dismembered cat.
Naccarato, who died in 1983, was a southern Italian who sought work in the
northern city of Turin and was regarded by some as a saint and healer,
newspapers reported.
The worshipers reportedly took no notice of the police and would only say: "I
am an apostle of Christ."
The police knocked down a metal door and found the corpse of a 27-year-old man
who had been shot to death a few days earlier.
Police said the victim was bound in a way that the 'Ndrangheta -- the
Calabrian version of the Mafia -- reserves for traitors.
The body was surrounded by 18 rifles, guns, knives, thousands of bullets and
nearly $800,000 in cash and checks.
Lidia Naccarato, 36, the niece of Antonio Naccarato, was one of those
arrested. Police said she was found in a trance-like state in a room adjacent
to the ceremony and denied knowing anything about the dead body. Last page !
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Msg#: 775 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/21/88 19:33:05 (Read 19 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: JASON MOORE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 675 (ITALY SATANIC CULT?)
Italian Satanists -- does this surprise you? You must remember that Satanists
are the Mafia's dream in real life? Who else would take drugs so heavily?
Kill with such abandon? And then kill the killers, their own co-religionists,
to end the trail? These are very deep waters.
For a good book on Satanist and the drug world, you should read The Ultimate
Evil. Many devil-worshiper cults allow themselves to be used for drug
matters. They want nothing more than drugs, sex, power (of life and death).
They are being used by richer, crueler men.
GT
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Msg#: 715 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/11/88 09:06:00 (Read 10 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: MATTHEW DUNHAM
Subj: RE: MORMONISM
Ok. when I decided to become a Witch, it was a conscious decision on my part,
but I did not do so out of rebellion against Christianity or God or anything
connected with rebellion. It was a metter of discovering a spiritual path that
fulfilled my needs. It was a path on which I felt I could be of use to my
fellow man and to the Goddess. I have no quarrel with Christ, only with some
who would persecute others in the NAME of Christ.
No, I'm afraid I haven't had much time to do the holidays thing. I've been
really tied up with my duties as Okla. chapter head of the Witches League for
Public Awareness and trying to organize one pagan festival for Sept. and
prepare to teach at another one in Aug. I'll get to it as soon as I can.
Blessed Be. Rowan
Oh, BTW, what software do you want me to use. I've got PC Write, WordPerfect
and Word Star. Which would you prefer? BB Rowan
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Msg#: 764 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/20/88 20:47:02 (Read 18 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SATANIC MURDER? DOUGLASVILLE, GA.
APn 06/10 2355 Human Sacrifice
DOUGLASVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- A 16-year-old boy accused of taking part in a
satanic human sacrifice of a 15-year-old girl, was convicted of murder Friday
and sentenced to life in prison.
The jury deliberated less than three hours before convicting Robert McIntyre.
The life sentence, imposed by Superior Court Judge Robert L. James, was
mandatory because the state did not seek the death penalty.
Krontz called prosecution star witness Terry Belcher a "demented child" and a
liar. Belcher, 15, was convicted of murder last month in the Jan. 17 slaying
of Theresa Simmons.
Belcher, who has been sentenced to life in prison, McIntyre and Malisa
Earnest, 17, were charged in the slaying, accused of strangling her and then
performing a crude Satanic ritual over her body.
Miss Earnest is to be tried later this month.
McIntyre's lawyer, Kenneth Krontz, rested his case without calling a witness
and unsuccessfully sought a mistrial.
Krontz complained the prosecution used allegations of devil worship to cloud
the case and improperly introduced evidence such as rock music records with
alleged references to Satan.
"They have taken a murder trial and turned it into a virtual witch hunt,"
Krontz said.
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Msg#: 792 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/22/88 11:31:04 (Read 16 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SAN FRANCISCO ARMY DAYCARE CASE
8 06-20-88 11:29 ppd
SAN FRANCISCO (UPI) _ The federal investigation into alleged sexual abuse of
children at the Presidio's day-care center has been closed for lack of
evidence, U.S. Attorney Jospeh P. Russoniello said Monday.
His announcement ended a 19-month federal probe into allegations that at least
60 children were sexually abused. There were also reports of bizarre satanic
rituals.
Russoniello told the San Francisco Chronicle that the federal legal system
"failed" the parents and children by making it difficult or impossible for
young children to take the witness stand.
Meanwhile, a spokesman for the San Francisco District Attorney's Office said a
related investigation into possible abuse of Presidio children at sites off
the base "is nearing the end" and that a decision on whether to file charges
will be made within a week.
The case surfaced in November 1986 when a 3-year-old boy who attended the
day-care center told his parents that one of the teachers had performed sexual
acts on him.
Gary Hambright, the boy's teacher, was removed from his post and was indicted
the next month. However, attempts to prosecute him collapsed and the charges
were dismissed in March 1987.
The investigation continued, encompassing many children, and Hambright was
indicted again on 12 counts of molesting 10 children in September 1987, but
that case was dismissed in February for lack of evidence.
Experts consulted by attorneys said the victims might not be able to discuss
what actually happned to them for 10 or 11 years. By then, Rusasoniello said,
the statute of limitations for the alleged crimes would have expired.
Presidio families of the alleged young victims have filed $53 million in
claims against the Army on behalf of themselves and their children.
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Msg#: 793 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/22/88 11:32:29 (Read 16 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: MUSCATINE IOWA BABY DEATH
5 06-16-88 11:15 pcd Defendant's mother says woman took baby
MUSCATINE, Iowa (UPI) _ The mother of a man charged with first-degree
kidnapping in the beating and dismemberment death of a 7-month-old baby says
her son told her a woman took the child while he as babysitting.
"He'd been doing cocaine and he got a severe headache from doing it," Madonna
McKillip, the mother of Leslie Ray Brockert, 28, said in an interview with
KWQC-TV Thursday. Brockert was being held in lieu of $287,000 bond on charges
relating to the disappearance and death of Amber Hayes last week.
"He was laying on the couch with a pillow over his head, and a woman came in
and described where Mary was at and things about her that led him to believe
that Mary did indeed send her after the baby, and so he let her take the
baby," McKillip said.
"This woman packed the diaper bag and took the baby," McKillip said he
relaying the account her son gave her during a visit to his jail cell Sunday
night.
Amber Hayes' decapitated skull and legs were found 15 miles from her home
Sunday afternoon by two youngsters riding all-terrain vehicles near Lake
Odessa in a wooded area of Louisa County. A pink diaper bag and blanket were
found near the baby's remains.
Investigators were considering additional charges against Brockert, the
boyfriend of the baby's mother, Mary Hayes, 24. Police Sgt. John LeMar has
said one of the charges under consideration is first-degree murder.
Convictions of either first-degree kidnapping or first-degree murder carry a
mandatory sentence of life in prison in Iowa.
Authorities have declined to say whether they have other suspects in the
baby's disappearance and death after interviewing more than 100 people in the
case.
Mary Hayes said she returned home after an evening out with a friend and
discovered her daughter was missing at about 1:30 a.m. June 9. Hayes had left
the child with Brockert, who lived with the baby's mother.
Authorities said Brockert came out of the back door of the Hayes home as Mary
Hayes returned early Thursday, took her car keys and drove away. Hayes went
inside the house to check on Amber and found the baby was gone.
Documents filed in Muscatine County District Court indicate Brockert may have
had a troubled relationship with a child in the past. A June 1983 presentence
investigation report stated that Brockert "said that he has, in the past,
received treatment at the Great River Mental Health Center after he alleged to
have physically abused his girlfriend's child."
In the past, Brockert had been sentenced to jail time for burglary, theft and
marijuana possession conviction, but he has not faced abuse nor assault
charges.
However, Renee Brockert, said she has trusted her brother-in-law with her
children on numerous occasions.
"He always loved playing with them and letting them sit on his lap and stuff
like that," Renee Brockert told KWQC. "I've never seen him violent. He was not
and never has until this day been able to stand the sight of blood, he'll pass
out. He just simply will pass out."
Meanwhile, Marvin Flake, Mary Hayes' stepfather, said Brockert repeatedly
listened to a bizarre rock song called "Devil's Child," but authorities said
they have not established any connection between satanic cult activity and the
baby's death.
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Msg#: 794 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/22/88 11:33:35 (Read 19 Times)
From: JASON MOORE
To: ALL
Subj: SEDALIA MO. YOUTH MURDER
7 06-19-88 12:10 pcd
SEDALIA, Mo. (UPI) _ A teen-ager has been convicted of first-degree murder in
the death of a fellow student who was beaten to death with a baseball bat in a
Satanic cult ritual.
A Pettis County jury delibertated five hours before finding Theron Roland of
Carl Junction, Mo., guilty of first-degree murder Saturday night.
Roland was one of three teen-agers charged with participating in the death of
Stephen Newberry, who was hit 70 times with a baseball bat Dec. 6. Newberry's
body was dropped into 10 feet of water in a cistern near the town.
Roland's defense attorney had asked that Roland be found innocent by reason of
mental disease or defect.
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Msg#: 878 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/28/88 17:37:29 (Read 12 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: FIONN MACCUMHAIL
Subj: SATANISM, ET AL
Hello Michelle & Fionn. You are probably right about Satanism being more
sound than fury, but it is furious (if Shakespeare will forgive me...).
My point is that you cheapen the phenomenon when you say someone "just"
slaughters a baby/rapes a young girl/butchers animals/burns down a house
because they are Satanist -- or a sociopath who is playing at being a
Satanist. The very essence of the Satanism danger is that it has given such
people a common bond. They will meet other such people, perhaps seek them
out. REAL organized Satanists actively screen the nuts, weirdos & convicts
they come across, looking for the one{ to choose.
The most dangerous Satanists don't get caught as a rule, and their crimes fade
into the background "noise" of each day's bad news, with no inkling that the
vanished 12-year-old, the fire set at the hospital, and the crossbow attack in
the same town could all be somehow related. Do you see my point?
GT
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Msg#: 913 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/29/88 21:01:00 (Read 13 Times)
From: BILL RAGSDALE
To: FIONN MACCUMHAIL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 878 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Ive had some problems with some supposedly "tame" pagans. People who follow
Aleister Crowley and are into practicing Magick and mind expansion techniques.
The people you are claiming that are basically tame are not. I have noted
from their behavior that they are not your everyday rational run of the mill
person. They have sent me threatening mail and phone calls and embarked upon
a mini-terrorist campaign against myself and my family and somehow feel
justified by doing it. I read excerpts from their "Book of the Law", and I
can see brainwashing passages that gives them this idea. I must say that all
of the pagans I have met thus far are quite nasty people and I would rather
deal with the most radical fundamentalist christian on any given day.
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Msg#: 920 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/30/88 10:51:18 (Read 16 Times)
From: PHILLIP HANSFORD
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 878 (SATANISM, ET AL)
Media blitz aside, I think you will find (if you seriously research this) that
there are very very few hardcore Satanists who go so far as to commit murder
(or even animal sacrifice). There is certainly no conspiracy or networking of
those types. To say that there is is the terrorist tactics of Christian
Hysterics...//Phil//
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Msg#: 921 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/30/88 10:56:04 (Read 14 Times)
From: PHILLIP HANSFORD
To: BILL RAGSDALE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 913 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Amazing, how in one message you have managed to step on thousands of people's
toes. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions, but if you treat pagans
the way you write about them, it is understandable that you may have had bad
experiences with them. I could say the same thing about Christians. But
obviously it wouldn't be valid to generalize on the basis of few experiences
that all Christians are narrow-minded hypocrites (would it??)... When I was in
high school I knew a red-headed bully who swore a lot. On the basis of that
shall we conclude that everyone with red hair is a bully who swears a lot? Get
reasonable...
//Phil//
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Msg#: 922 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
06/30/88 17:44:52 (Read 11 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: PHILLIP HANSFORD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 920 (SATANISM, ET AL)
But the problem with Satanists is that they }iDO NETWORK. They'll drive
across country to meet at someone's house in Yonkers (for example). They can
and do arrange for "bad things" to happen to people 3000 miles away.
As to your paganism remarks, please believe that I feel that Satanists are the
sort of pagans that a Christian like Torquemada would be right at ease with
(until one of them killed the other). Problem with blood sacrifice is that
its a step backward sociologically. Get used to that and your grandchildren
can get used to more atavistic things. Eventually you're appologizing to
things ... and then eating them. Finally you're discoursing with your enemies
(in fetish form) ... and eating THEM when you catch up with them.
I guess what I'm saying and what my investigations are revealing to me is that
this is a slippery slope. Modern Christians can degenerate into Santaria
rites ... modern pagans can degenerate into practicing Satanists. But with the
old religion, it's Moloch that's waiting for you at the end of your slide.
All this beside the point. Satanists are stupid as well as savage. They are
being used and they know it. They have given up their loved ones as hostage
to their master(s) and soon realize they can't escape -- it's like Russian
Roulette.
Sure the media trivialize Satanism, but consider: If for every deranged
teenager who is captured murdering playmate/animals/opening graves/robbing
churches/starting fires ... another teenager finds his way into a group}i
(that offers sex, dru{s, money & other blandishments) THEN what are we dealing
with? I know this is unpleasant for you people to deal with, but there it is.
GT
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Msg#: 929 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 21:57:00 (Read 11 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: FIONN MACCUMHAIL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 922 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
I know what you mean. Any more, every time the police find a body, I cringe,
just waiting for the dreaded W and S words to pop up. BB Rowan
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Msg#: 933 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 09:29:56 (Read 13 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 922 (SATANISM, ET AL)
Are you a meat eater??? If so, you already kill animals for your food, either
directly or by paying another to do so. The act of asking permission of the
Spirit of the animal is an act of RESPECT. That animal you eat is a SENTIENT
(feeling) being. Same with the plants that a strict vegetarian eats. They're
also sentient. Hard to tell from just looking, but a plant DOES seem to react
to stimuli. So we, as omnivores (creatures that eat both meat and vegetable
matter) are part of the food chain. For someone to not honor the creature you
feed on is to commit murder, in my view. You can't just simply go Vegetarian,
or Vegan, for the plant kingdom is sentient too. Asking permission is an act
of respect. it isn't worship. And it certainly does NOT lead to human
sacrifice. Do we understand each other??? MK-H
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Msg#: 937 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 14:58:50 (Read 12 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: MICHELLE HASS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 933 (SATANISM, ET AL)
We understand each other. Reread my post. Do you slaughter your own animals
for food/clothing/soap etc.? Or have you foresworn meat?
Just curious.
GT
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Msg#: 951 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 07:53:00 (Read 10 Times)
From: ELIAS LEVI
To: BILL RAGSDALE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 937 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Of course (not in defense of the OTO) you fail to mention
that you placed yourself in the middle of the bullseye with a lot
of chest beating and I have read many messages where you dared
them to take a shot at you, up to and including listing in
a public area your name, address and phone number! Under the
circumstances (coupled with your irritating mesages, etc), its hard
to have any sympathy for your situation. Its like walking into
a biker bar and calling everyone in it a wimp and then complaining
after you find your teeth on the floor.
If you wish to avoid conflict just remember;
Out of sight, out of mind!
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Msg#: 957 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/01/88 10:43:00 (Read 10 Times)
From: BILL RAGSDALE
To: ELIAS LEVI
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 951 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Its not that easy to brush off. You are forgetting the person I was debating
with ASKED me for some verification as to who I was. He stated "I did some
checking today and I called all the Ragsdales in the phone book". Sooner or
later he would have said "aha! I know who you are!". Up until this time he
had made no threats or negative actions against my person and therefore I
trusted him with the information that he sought. I will add to this that
there is a big difference between a person who draws the line and dares
someone to step over it, to the actual person who steps over the line first.
Carrying a personal war beyond the bbs level is not only ridiculous it is
immature as well. They were the first ones to cross the line. If they do not
have the maturity to leave it where it belongs then they shouldnt be allowed
on the modems. Another case in point is that their messages are at least just
as irritating and insulting as my messages and have been since day one.
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Msg#: 962 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/03/88 12:07:00 (Read 9 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: PHILLIP HANSFORD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 875 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Phil, have you read "Satan Wants You" by Arthur Lyons? I'm readiong it right
now and it's very interesting. Lyons hypothesizes that the whole Satanic
conspiracy is a giant job of media hype. I can believe it too, from my own
studies. There are only a very few cases with any hard evidence and virtually
all of these are cases of wacked out teens on drugs getting into strange
stuff. My questions about all these supposedly adult survivors of Satanic
cults are as follows:
1. Are the police investigating the claims of these people who are admitting
to being accessories to everything from rape and kidnapping to murder?
2. If these claims have been investigated and found to be true, has anyone
been prosecuted?
3. If these claims have been investigated and found false, why hasn't someone
denounced the liars?
Seriously folks, IF what these people say is true, they must have names,
dates, places, etc. If they went to the cops and the cops investigated it, if
could be shut down right? One woman who spoke at a Pagan gathering claimed
that her husband was a cop. She herself claimed to be one of these survivors.
Why wasn't he doing something? It's a CRIME to withold evidence from the cops.
!!! BB Rowan
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Msg#: 963 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/03/88 12:10:00 (Read 15 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 962 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Again, I ask you for PROOF that these so called Satanists will travel miles to
engage in horriffic practices. THIS STUFF IS URBAN LEGEND !!!!!
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Msg#: 976 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/05/88 11:09:01 (Read 13 Times)
From: PHILLIP HANSFORD
To: ROWAN MOONSTONE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 962 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Hello! Thanks for the note...Yes, I have considered the Satanism thing to be
media hype. Also, it is a *way to make money*. (Have you seen the prices some
of those so-called experts charge for their seminars etc??). And it is a power
play. Certain Christian Fundamentalists realize they are losing power, so they
invent a 'problem' with Satanism in order to try to gain it back. Oh maybe
some of them are hystical enough (Christian Hysterics) to believe their own
lies. But obviously the facts don't match the verbiage. For example, 'File 18'
claims there are 40,000-60,000 ritual murders a year! Where are the bodies?? I
think the only conspiracy here is those kinds of *lies*...//Phil//
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Msg#: 981 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/05/88 21:12:14 (Read 13 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: PHILLIP HANSFORD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 976 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Phillip, excuse my butting in, but what is this File 18, or Vile 18 as someone
else called it? It doesn't seem to be in the file section, but I'm still
figuring out how this bulletin board works. Is it here?
Sorry to interrupt.
GT
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Msg#: 982 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/06/88 16:29:21 (Read 12 Times)
From: PHILLIP HANSFORD
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 981 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Not sure if File 18 is in the file section here or not. Probably not... It is
actually a series of 'newsletters' which are distributed to thousands of
police around the country at tax payers expense. (some kind people have typed
several issues up into electronic form)...The scary thing is that these things
are filled with false information that attempts to tie in everything from Jews
and women's lib and rock music to traditional pagans with a satanic conspiracy
and ritual murder... To hear the 'Christian Hysterics' who write this junk
talk, there are 40,000-60,000 ritual murders a year. The Unicorn is the
anti-Christ. The New age movement is satanic....And it goes on (and gets
worse). You may not want to read it, but if you do, it is online on my board
(Mysteria, 818-353-8891, PC Pursuitable), along with a lot of other similarly
upsetting material (and also a lot of interesting articles on metaphysics
religion, and the occult)...//Phil//
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Msg#: 1016 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/07/88 18:42:00 (Read 14 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: PHILLIP HANSFORD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 875 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
you bet your boots I've seen those prices. And the folks who are the "experts"
in this are making a quite tidy living doing the talk show circuit and selling
books. Pat Pulling at BADD had been known to bring in $600 a head for her
seminars. Plus book sales, and video sales( Dr. Walter Martin has a series on
the Kingdom of the Cults. 13 videos for $60 @) and on and on. I've already
invested quite a bit in books and subscriptions to magazines for my research.
Indeed, it's a growth industry for sure. BB Rowan
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Msg#: 1017 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/07/88 18:46:00 (Read 18 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1016 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
File 18 is a publication put out by a police officer in Boise Idaho, which
purports to deal with facts concerning "occult crime". In reality,k it is full
of unproven allegations and misinformation. There is quite a brouhaha going on
right now over it. I don't know if it is on line at Cult Monitor, but I think
Earthrite has it in the file area, and I know Wierdbase in St. Louis has at
least 4 issues in the files by now. I've got all of the issues except one in
my files. If you can't find them anyplace else, leave me an address and I'll
send you xeroxes of them. I'm one of the 3 folks who "discovered" and procured
this little jewel, which says" For police use onlyl!!! lDo not release to the
public or the press"R I G H T !!!!! BB Rowan
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Msg#: 1062 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/08/88 19:14:00 (Read 19 Times)
From: KEN ARBUCKLE
To: PHILLIP HANSFORD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 875 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Dear Sir,
Are you suggesting that Satanism has no Jonestown's to its credit?
ken
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Msg#: 1065 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/09/88 18:51:00 (Read 20 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: KEN ARBUCKLE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1062 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
I'm afraid it has not been PROVEN that Satanism exists, outside of the
established Church of Satan in S. F. and the Temple of Set, and some pretty
weird , wacked out , drug crazed teen agers. The numerous allegations of
"ritualistic child abuse" have NO hard evidence to go on , and one by one, the
cases are falling apart. I've followed the McMartin Day Care thing for quite a
while, and it's a comedy of errors all the way. Even one of the DA's
assistants quit because he said the children were being manipulated. The FBI
doesn't believe it exists, and neither does the Wisc. Governor's Task force
leader on "cult Crime" All the hard evidence is in the area of crazy teens.
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Msg#: 1078 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/10/88 21:23:00 (Read 20 Times)
From: BRAD HICKS
To: KEN ARBUCKLE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1065 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
KA> Are you suggesting that Satanism has no Jonestown's to
KA> its credit?
If he's not, then I am.
I'm not a Satanist, but I insist that there is nothing like enough evidence to
convict Satanists per se of crimes, or to link any Satanic group or
organization to any massacre, mass or individual.
--- Sirius 0.50
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Msg#: 1120 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/13/88 17:51:00 (Read 23 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: FIONN MACCUMHAIL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1078 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
Fionn, have you read "Satan Wants You!" by Arthur Lyons? He goes into that
very fact quite a bit and uses the case of the Finders as an excellent
example. Bb Rowan
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Msg#: 1128 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/14/88 11:20:19 (Read 24 Times)
From: PHILLIP HANSFORD
To: KEN ARBUCKLE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1062 (RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
I am suggesting that Satanism (so called) and such things as ritual murder are
unrelated to one another most of the time. My impression is that genuine
Satanism is pretty rare, and even when it does occur, it need not be the
dangerous variety. While I am not advocating Satanism, they have the right to
exist under freedom of religion. I think Satanism (and even the occult
movement in general) is being treated as a 'scape goat'. Somebody's been
watching too many cheap movies...//Phil//
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Msg#: 973 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/00/88 00:03:00 (Read 9 Times)
From: SHARON CROKE
To: ERNEST SEERING
Subj: W & S WORDS
> What is a "W" or an "S" word?
>
"witchcraft" or "satanism" - referring to the lumping of the two together
whenever something untraditional occurs, especially a gory murder.
Witches greatly resent having Satanists lumped with them as a class
- Satanists are more properly a Christian sub-cult (being anti-Christian
but within the J-D structure), not a separate religion. And while you can
find Satanists who claim to be witches, you'll have a terrible time locating a
Wiccan who claims to be a Satanist, or will accept the practices of one.
--- Opus 1.03b <> NoOrigin 3.1
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Msg#: 979 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/05/88 19:41:53 (Read 15 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: JOE TOTARO (Rcvd)
Subj: MEAT
No, I do not slaughter my own animals for food. The facts of life in living
in "civilization" preclude such a thing. Besides, there's not much game to be
had where I live, unless you count the *&^$&^$&^ Peacock across the
street....tell me, do you know if Peacock is good roasted or stewed?? (grin)
Ideally one who chooses to be a meat eater should hunt for themselves. But
since that is a virtual impossibility in urban or sub-urban areas, you do what
you can. I honor and thank the animal that gave its life for my food. I have
posted several times about my belief (which is shared by most nutritionists,
BTW) that although the human body is not made for a meat-only diet, it is also
not made for a strictly vegetarian one either. I eat both. MK-H
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Msg#: 980 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
07/05/88 20:48:09 (Read 14 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: MICHELLE HASS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 979 (MEAT)
Peacock is supposed to be pretty good, actually. Gamey, but nice. They are
obnoxious birds, aren't they. Foul fowl.
Actually, animal protien (lean meat) is supposed to be good for dieting,
because you burn as much energy digesting the protien as it adds to your body.
Problem is the fat. We digest it easily use some of it for energy and store
the rest in various places including our arteries.
I'm a lusty meat eater but I've tempered my habit lately while contemplatin g
my mortality, FYI.
GT
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Msg#: 1743 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
08/19/88 23:14:50 (Read 14 Times)
From: JAMES MACCURDY
To: DAVE BAUR
Subj: RE: SATAN
The God you describe seems similar (to a beginner in these things, at least)
to the Ain Soph of the Qabala. I would recommend that you pick up a copy of
Israel Regardie's "The Tree of Life". It is a very clear explanation of the
Qabalistic view of these things, and a very interesting book.
--James R. MacCurdy
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Msg#: 2173 *SATANIC_RUMOR*
08/26/88 23:05:00 (Read 13 Times)
From: PAUL EKDAHL
To: DAVE BAUR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1743 (RE: SATAN)
Dear Dave...Why do you believe that Satan does not exist?... Do you believe
that there is a God?
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Have a good day... Paul
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