Message: #191540, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Mar 4, 1994 10:54:25 PM
Subject: Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: All Users
Gentlemen:
The last issue of the compuserve magazine highlighted the
subject of ufo's. I'm looking to network with individuals who
have/or know of people who have had a similar abduction
experience.
Specifically:
In 1973 I was abducted (2nd time). The first occassion at age 13
was the standard medical exam scenario. The second time,
however, was unique. I was taken into a room and shown videos of
what then was future events. Essentially, I was made privy to 30
years of the six o'clock news. This resulted in me being ahead
of others when it came to trends, finances, recessions,
depressions and the other ills that commonly plague our
economies. I always felt the skill came under the heading of
'gifted insight'. I now feel this was a 'programming' session.
My programmer was human but not Nordic.
On 2/25/94, I travelled to Texas for a weekend with a forensic
hypnotist specializing in ufo related issues. There I regained
conscious recollection of this and other abduction events. The
last being in 10/93 wherein I was snatched but became alert
unexpectedly. This resulted in physical damage to several Grays
as I went ballistic. Let's say they couldn't get rid of me fast
enough.
I wish to locate individuals, like myself, who have undergone
this programming to ascertain similiarity in the encounters.
Items that are dissimlar from your standard scernario are:
1. Visual induction of massive amounts of data. 2. No medical
exams. 3. Benign contact with one human and at least one Nordic.
4. No Grays. 5. Non standard ship configuration.
There are several pieces of information being withheld to
ascertain veracity. These are elements only a legitimate
abductee would know. I am not looking people who have any other
type of experience just this one kind.
I would greatly appreciate any referral on this subject.
Robert
Message: #100683, S/13 Extraterrestrials
Date: Fri, Mar 4, 1994 10:58:11 PM
Subject: ufo abduction
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: all users
Gentlemen:
The last issue of the compuserve magazine highlighted the
subject of ufo's. I'm looking to network with individuals who
have/or know of people who have had a similar abduction
experience.
Specifically:
In 1973 I was abducted (2nd time). The first occassion at age 13
was the standard medical exam scenario. The second time,
however, was unique. I was taken into a room and shown videos of
what then was future events. Essentially, I was made privy to 30
years of the six o'clock news. This resulted in me being ahead
of others when it came to trends, finances, recessions,
depressions and the other ills that commonly plague our
economies. I always felt the skill came under the heading of
'gifted insight'. I now feel this was a 'programming' session.
My programmer was human but not Nordic.
On 2/25/94, I travelled to Texas for a weekend with a forensic
hypnotist specializing in ufo related issues. There I regained
conscious recollection of this and other abduction events. The
last being in 10/93 wherein I was snatched but became alert
unexpectedly. This resulted in physical damage to several Grays
as I went ballistic. Let's say they couldn't get rid of me fast
enough.
I wish to locate individuals, like myself, who have undergone
this programming to ascertain similiarity in the encounters.
Items that are dissimlar from your standard scernario are:
1. Visual induction of massive amounts of data. 2. No medical
exams. 3. Benign contact with one human and at least one Nordic.
4. No Grays. 5. Non standard ship configuration.
There are several pieces of information being withheld to
ascertain veracity. These are elements only a legitimate
abductee would know. I am not looking people who have any other
type of experience just this one kind.
I would greatly appreciate any referral on this subject.
Robert
Message: #192594, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 1994 2:29:13 AM
Subject: #191540-Ufo Abduction
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262
Robert,
"Gods of Eden" by William Bramley might be of interest to you.
In one account, a man named Guy Warren Ballard was taken to an
underground complex in the Tetons by St. Germain, and told "No
one - in this world - ever accumulated a great deal of wealth -
without the assistance and radiation of some - Ascended Master.
There are occasions - in which individuals can be used as a
focus of great wealth - for a specific purpose - and at such
times - greatly added power is radiated to them - for through it
they can receive personal assistance. Such an opportunity- is a
test - and opportunity - for their growth."
-Cindy
Message: #192898, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 1994 6:32:18 PM
Subject: #191540-Ufo Abduction
From: Patrick O'Rourke 72730,2741
To: westbrook 71705,262
You go 30 years of news in a '73 abduction. Been able to turn
it to your advantage...
Still 10 years to go, no? Care to share the wealth? What's
gonna happen interesting? Anything I can make money on?
Message: #193134, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 1994 12:34:07 AM
Subject: #191540-Ufo Abduction
From: Patric Z 71042,2573
To: westbrook 71705,262
Robert:
I came into this forum to search out other stories of abductees
so I could figure out what, if anything has happened to me.
I've had some unexplainable things happen to me through my 28
years and I am just now trying to put them together. The most
vivid of which happened when I was a kid, about 8. I was in bed
and suddenly woke up at 3:15AM. I looked to the window, which
was about 3 feet away and in it poked a little white, generally
featureless head of a creature about 3 1/2' tall. It watched me
for a bit, then went away. This was in 73 or 74 in Orange
County, Ca., a pretty crowded suburb. Other unexplainables have
happened to me, but I think I've repressed quite a bit. I'm
semi-lurking on here to see if anything jogs me.
Would you recommend the Texas hypnotist you worked with as
someone others may have luck with?
I've often considered talking to a pro, but it seems once these
things are uncovered they may tend to take priority over other
things in someones life. I don't know if I ready for that yet
but appreciate any feedback you may have.
thanks, Patric
Message: #193356, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 1994 3:11:18 PM
Subject: #192594-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: *Xena* 72230,2401
Cindy:
I've skimmed the book. The religious aspect of ufos, angels
and the god of Abraham are false and deliberate ploy to keep is
misdirected from that which is true. Unfortunately, the prime
directive doesn't exist and Klingons aren't daisies.
Thanx
Bob
Message: #193354, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 1994 3:08:24 PM
Subject: #192898-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Patrick O'Rourke 72730,2741
Clinton will not serve out his term. More 'natural' disasters of
'biblical proportion' will plague the planet. Sell short on
humanity.
Message: #193355, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 1994 3:09:16 PM
Subject: #193134-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Patric Z 71042,2573
Catch me in email.
Message: #193485, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 1994 9:41:16 PM
Subject: #193356-Ufo Abduction
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Okay so why do you think they're here?
-Cindy
Message: #193561, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Mar 9, 1994 4:43:21 AM
Subject: #193485-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: *Xena* 72230,2401
Why r they here? The question is a little amusing because the
proper question is why r we here.
They have always 'been' here. We are here because they placed us
here. They share our DNA (see Genesis 7) have mated with us and
created genetic mutations over thousands of years. Adam and Eve
were not indiginous to this planet.
Message: #193622, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Mar 9, 1994 10:26:08 AM
Subject: #193561-Ufo Abduction
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262
Well yeah, that's my current favorite hypothesis. No idea why
you thought *I* thought the whole thing was religious in nature.
I'll see if I can find the message I was responding to. I think
you said something to the effect that they're here for a reason
but it's not cause they're angels or God.
-Cindy
Message: #193874, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Mar 9, 1994 10:56:23 PM
Subject: #193561-Ufo Abduction
From: Jim Swinny 71774,3031
To: westbrook 71705,262
Your first name isnt Rick is it? Its about time I finally got
intouch with
a friend. I hope we will have alot to talk about.Jim
Message: #193610, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Mar 9, 1994 10:19:11 AM
Subject: #193356-Ufo Abduction
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Hey, since when have you ever seen ME take the religious side?
Which book are we talking about, btw?
Of the two books I usually talk about here, neither has the
viewpoint that UFOs are *really* angels, etc, except to show why
humankind may have THOUGHT they were.
-Cindy
Message: #193614, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Mar 9, 1994 10:19:07 AM
Subject: #193356-Ufo Abduction
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262
And, btw, what's your opinion of the Truth?
Message: #194416, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Mar 11, 1994 12:07:28 AM
Subject: #193874-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jim Swinny 71774,3031 (received)
Reply: #194436 (1 reply)
For any one wishing to chat on the subject. I'll supply an 800
if you agree to call off hours. Jim,
My first name is bob. My phone is 818-772-6082.
Message: #194436, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Mar 11, 1994 1:00:17 AM
Subject: #194416-Ufo Abduction
From: Jim Swinny 71774,3031
To: westbrook 71705,262
Ok,
how much will it cost me?:-) Just kidding, I get monthly rates.
Do you think anyone really cares. What if the powers that be are
zapping it from the human race a little at a time so they can
remain
superbeings?
I'll call you over the weekend. I have to go to the country to
cut pastures.
We will talk!
Message: #194397, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Mar 11, 1994 12:04:02 AM
Subject: #193610-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: *Xena* 72230,2401
Cindy
I'm new here so I have no background on your views. I've
recently finished a book set to be published later in the year.
I'm not a ufo type and avoided reading other's ideas to avoid
polluting or confusing my logic with their material. I felt that
as seeker's of truth I would cross paths with others of my ilk
and wanted to avoid their research seeping into my own.
Bob
Message: #194398, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Mar 11, 1994 12:04:24 AM
Subject: #193614-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: *Xena* 72230,2401
The truth = an ant farm depending upon whether you're the master
or the ant.
Message: #196842, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Mar 16, 1994 9:41:07 AM
Subject: #195795-Ufo Abduction
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262
re: son's of god injected their genes into Noah's daughters and
bred a race o giants...
Hope they wre there to do the Ceasarian operations too !!!
WW
Message: #197216, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Mar 17, 1994 12:21:15 AM
Subject: #196842-Ufo Abduction
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421 (received)
Don't underestimate the ability of the vagina to
ssssstttreeeettttcccchhhh! I lost a vw my exwife refuses to
account for.
Message: #198636, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Mar 19, 1994 10:12:16 PM
Subject: #197216-Ufo Abduction
From: Jim Swinny 71774,3031
To: westbrook 71705,262
I beg your......Parton?
Message: #205609, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 1994 12:05:23 AM
Subject: #204731-Do they want us to Know?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob Perse/SL16 75310,3312 (received)
Reply: #205796 (4 replies)
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Those of you who like to discuss government coverups of ufos
should consider some alternative facts. 1. There is nothing
positive to be achieved by investigating government. 2. Even if
they did spill everything they know - other than talking
what are you going to do with the information? Write books,
have
lectures? That's what Mufon does and very little else.
Message: #205796, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 1994 11:20:00 AM
Subject: #205609-Do they want us to Know?
From: Bob Perse/SL16 75310,3312
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>Even if they did spill everything they know - other than
talking
what are you going to do with the information? Write books,
have
lectures? That's what Mufon does and very little else.<<
Well, for one thing - one way or the other - we would have
information we do not now have. Whatever the facts would be from
them, we would then be able to use that information to proceed
onward.
The whole idea is to get as many pieces of the puzzle as
possible to work with. But that's what curious people do when
they have a mystery on their hands. Maybe you personally would
rather just ignore the whole thing. But ......then why are you
here?
Message: #205921, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 1994 3:26:02 PM
Subject: #205609-Do they want us to Know?
From: Shannon, Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #205965 (1 reply)
>>Even if they did spill everything they know - other than
talking what are you going to do with the information?
You've kid to be gotting me, westy! If the government would let
us have even a little of the advanced knowledge that they might
possess ala Lazar or others, think what tremendous benefits we
might be able to derive for the good of mankind. We could
alleviate problems in energy, medicine, human strife and
existential defeatism. If it all turns out to be hooey, then we
could all quit wasting time bashing each other over the head in
this forum and do something constructive with our lives, like
returning to studies of science, nature, peace, or how to get
one million channels out of a 1/4 inch cable!
Shannon {@#$%&*@#$%^&*B-) Hey get off my keyboard, cat!
Message: #205974, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 1994 4:54:13 PM
Subject: #205609-Do they want us to Know?
From: Jim Griebel 71541,2124
To: westbrook 71705,262
Pardon? In a previous message you got pretty specific about the
government's exploitation of captured alien technology. (It'd be
interesting to know your sources for all those claims, BTW.) Now
if we could prove any of this we could put to bed the
decades-old debates about whether UFOs are real, and if so, what
they are. At that point (IMHO) it really stops being a question
of what MUFON's going to do about it.
Unless what you're arguing here is that absolutely nothing _can_
be done about it. Personally I doubt that. You're presenting
that exploitation of alien technology as a black project, and
one of the problems with those is that by nature they only allow
a limited set of minds and ideas to be brought to bear on the
problem. (Bob Lazar, for instance, may be one of the nicest guys
around, but he never did strike me as being up there with
Lawrence or Fermi or Oppenheimer.) The people you _really_ need
to solve that problem may never hear about it as long as you
keep it a deep, dark secret. If something like that's going on
(and I don't believe that it is) then bringing it out in the
open could bring on a solution that won't happen otherwise.
Message: #206136, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 1994 9:54:26 PM
Subject: #205609-Do they want us to Know?
From: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
To: westbrook 71705,262
westbrook,
Listen loud and clear...make no mistake: As an abductee I want
to know who knew what, and when they knew it. I WILL hold each
and every one of the government workers, elected officials,
intellegence agency workers, police et all accountable for
information that they did not share with my family and myself. I
am not nor will I be in a forgiving mood. Some people that made
the decisions to keep the public in the dark ought to have been
hunted for sport and shot for meat. I would like to know just
what you know and what was your role in this conspiracy of
silence.
WELL...I'm waiting.....
Steve
Message: #207927, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:34:06 AM
Subject: #205796-Do they want us to Know?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob Perse/SL16 75310,3312 (received)
Bob:
I am against apathy. I am against inaction. Mufon is not a
major force in ufo research. To this date they don't even have a
computerized database while Cufos has had for years.
I AM doing something about it other than writing books. I HAVE
located at least one Nordic operation and searching out others.
I HAVE devised a simple method of testing for abductions AND I
AM working on a means of preventing the same.
Westbrook
Message: #207936, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:48:15 AM
Subject: #205974-Do they want us to Know?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jim Griebel 71541,2124
Jim: 1. I believe the truth should be known. 2. Exploiting
captured technology is a GOOD thing not a bad thing. 3. I do not
believe that advising the do nothings at Mufon
is adviseable. As they have nothing the offer, there is
nothing
to gain. 4. There is no debate as to whether or not ufos are
real. There
are A. Those that believe, B. Those that don't believe
and C. Those who have been there. The first two fall in the
category of religions. While the later has first hand
knowedge.
I am in the C group. You see boys and girls, I am an abductee of
the unusual kind. You're welcome to a copy of the book and can
make your own judgements re: credibility. Bob
Message: #207938, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:52:14 AM
Subject: #206136-Do they want us to Know?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
Steve: 1. Sorry friend, I don't intimidate well so I'll pass on
your implied
threats. 2. I too am an abductee but apparently haven't been
traumatized as
badly as you have. 3. Those who make the decisions in
government are not within your
reach. 4. I am not a part of government. 5. Read my book, a
lot of the answers you wish are in there. Bob
Message: #207930, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:38:11 AM
Subject: #205887-Roswell
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/SL16 70403,3645
Alain: 1. Ufos have been around for 6000 years. The next five
years are critical
to the continued existence of mankind. 2. The power supply
and power drive are one and the same. 3. Suborbital means it
can't leave the atmosphere. 4. Leave Area 51 alone.
Bob
Message: #207934, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:41:15 AM
Subject: #205970-Roswell
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Lumir Janku 72274,376 (received)
Reply: #207948 (1 reply)
Lumir:
Please note that on this board I have offered a free copy of
my book, WITH THE ANSWERS AND SOURCES YOU CITE, for a diskette
and a self addressed envelope. Westy
Message: #207948, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 3:09:07 AM
Subject: #207934-Roswell
From: Lumir Janku 72274,376
To: westbrook 71705,262
>Please note that on this board I have offered a free copy of my
book, WITH THE ANSWERS AND SOURCES YOU CITE, for a diskette and
a self addressed envelope. Westy
OK, be so kind, and e-mail me your address, please.
Lumir
Message: #207939, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:53:27 AM
Subject: #206171-Roswell
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Nah - I'm a one book author. I make too much money and have too
much fun doing what I do for a living. Bob
Message: #207932, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:40:09 AM
Subject: Reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon, Sara Smith 73521,3045
Shannon:
No offense but I think you've seen too many episodes of Star
Trek. Nice thought - but it isn't very practical. Bob
Message: #208024, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 9:35:19 AM
Subject: #207927-Do they want us to Know?
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
>>AND I AM working on a means of preventing the same.
In Jacobs book he talks about methods of attempting to prevent
abductions, like using a video camera. This works as a delaying
tactic. I found this line of reasoning very intriguing.
I wondered. What other methods have people tried. Have they
used electronic bracelets? Hidden cameras that the abductee
wasn't even aware was there? (Thus perhaps preventing the
aliens from knowing it was there themselves.) This is a very
curious aproach to trying to gather emperical data on the
physical aspect of abductions. (Like people physically missing,
and perhaps catching an alien on film.)
John
Message: #208052, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 11:02:00 AM
Subject: #207934-Roswell
From: Mark R. Roberts 74227,1642
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>Please note that on this board I have offered a free copy of
my book, WITH THE ANSWERS AND SOURCES YOU CITE, for a diskette
and a self addressed envelope. Westy
OK, be so kind, and e-mail me your address, please.
Lumir<<
I'll second that notion. Where I can get a copy? Tell me what
I must do.
>> I make too much money and have too much fun doing what I do
for a living. Bob<<
Ok, so don't tease us, what do you do.
-Mark
Message: #208153, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 1994 1:45:16 PM
Subject: #207934-Roswell
From: Paul M. Hadeed 73512,631
To: westbrook 71705,262
< Nah - I'm a one book author. I make too much money and have
too
> much fun doing what I do for a living. Bob
Sounds great!
Dean - Des Moines IA 07-Apr-1994 23:25:19 CST
Message: #208553, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 8, 1994 12:19:21 AM
Subject: ufo detectors
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: 70253,3237 (received) (deletable)
Reply: #208648 (1 reply)
John:
Standard alarm systems won't work for this reason:
The black hats snatch you from your bedroom. They use a
dimensional door that emits a blue light and measures seven feet
in height by 15 feet in length. They then use the equivalent of
a tractor beam to 'levitate' you thru the door way. This
technique insures minimum risk to them.
In cases where the 4D door isn't practical, they hit the whole
house with a field that turns everyone's lights out. It doesn't
work on cats and dogs. Then they put you on automatic, walk you
outside and then hit you with the tractor beam.
In each of these instances, the presence of 4 dimensional
physics redefines the boundaries of what a device designed to
detect 3D occurences can work. I would add that the aliens
themselves can phase shift to invisibility with very little
notice. Therefore, if an alien were to enter your abode, the
chances are there wouldn't be enough of him there to set off a
motion, heat or video detector.
I devised a very simple device for detecting the 4D door. This
is a compass and a magnet. The needle of the compass points
north. At a right angle to the needle I place a small circular
magnet. This establishes a precarious balance between the
magnetics of the needle and the magnet. I speculated that the
induction of any magnetic energy into the room would cause the
needle to spin. When it stopped spinning, I hoped the magnet
would grab one of the ends of the pointer. As luck would have
it, I was right and wrong about my analysis. During the last
abduction, the magnet was thrown 2 inches away from the compass.
Exactly the opposite of what I planned for.
What happens is that the needle spins like crazy. The increased
magnetics coming off the needle acts like a generator creating
sufficient force to repel the magnet. This device has been
tested and proven (by me) to work. Variants of it are available
and the construction of offensive weaponry based upon this
detector is possible.
in 10/93 I was snatched from my bedroom. Somehow, I managed to
become alert, I saw two Grays and went ballistic. I mangled the
two of them so badly, I believe I may have killed them. However,
I was swarmed by more of them and thrown thru the door. I awoke
butt naked the next morning. I don't sleep naked. I found my
shorts on the floor at the foot of the bed. Ie: They couldn't
get me out of there fast enough. In addition I had cuts and
scratches from the fight that I did not have when I went to bed.
on 2/25/94 I went to Houston to meet with a forensic hypnotist
specializing in abductions. There I regained my memory of major
incidents with them beyond what I knew or had deduced. the full
story is in my book. This fellow, Darrel Simms has people who
are being snatched about once every eight weeks. He's
experimented with planting post hypnotic time bombs into his
abductees. The kind that explode in alien faces. He's had
success with this. He is under constant surveillance and I knew
going to his home would be a risk for me. I did so any way.
I returned to LA on the night of 2/27 expecting to have a
problem with the Grays that night. I set up my homespun
detector, Measured the length of my fingernails and examined my
body top to bottom for nicks or scratches.
The following morning, I awoke to find that my detector had gone
off. My fingernails had grown a quarter of an inch and I had
various nicks and scratches I did not have when I went to bed.
IE: I'm still going ballistic. While not conscious, my
subconscious has become adept at taking control and protecting
me. I've had no more problems with abductions since.
In addition to this, I purchased a brainwave synchronizer to
develope the ability to tune into their telepathic
communications. I believe these to be in the Theta band. I am
now able to SEE the outline of a phased Gray. They are content
not to grab me anymore but seem to be concerned about what I'm
doing. They send one in about every fourth day.
Answer your question?
Bob
Message: #208648, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 8, 1994 4:09:14 AM
Subject: #208553-ufo detectors
From: Lumir Janku 72274,376
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob, Intriguing! Looking forward to read your book. Sendin' the
mail tomorrow.
Lumir
Message: #208751, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 8, 1994 12:40:22 PM
Subject: #208553-ufo detectors
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Yeah, I guess it answers my questions.
Have you at times co-operated fully during your abductions? Has
it changed the nature of the experience? Have you had specific
information communicated to you during your abductions or just
been abused?
John
Message: #208830, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 8, 1994 4:47:26 PM
Subject: UFO Reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: 70253,3237 (deletable)
Have you at times co-operated fully during your abductions? Has
it changed the nature of the experience? Have you had specific
information communicated to you during your abductions or just
been abused?
First abduction was unplanned. I happened upon them while
hiking. HE held me down while SHE took her specimen. No pain
involved. I was a kid and fighting with adults was out.
Resistance was futile anyway. 1963
1973 - An unsual abduction. Not medical. I was given 30 years
worth of the six o'clock news starting with the resignation of
Nixon. I guess you'd call this a communicationn.
1983 - Wife and I both abducted. They fixed a malformation in
her fallopian tubes. We'd been told we'd never have kids. Two
months later, she's pregnant (my kid). Took genetic specimen
from me.
All these were with Nordics.
1993 - Abduction by Grays - specimen collecting. They didn't
have the time - when I saw them I went nuclear.
2/94 - Ditto.
Message: #208941, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 8, 1994 8:33:26 PM
Subject: #207934-Roswell
From: Shannon, Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>a free copy of my book, WITH THE ANSWERS AND SOURCES YOU CITE,
for a diskette and a self addressed envelope. Westy
Please E-Mail your address prethanks, Sara
Message: #209103, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 8, 1994 11:37:00 PM
Subject: #208830-UFO Reply
From: Patrick J. Maloney 73407,3676
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #209155 (1 reply)
PMJI Westbrook,
>>...Resistance was futile anyway...
Resistance is futile. Where have I heard that before?
Seriously...
<<1973 - An unsual abduction. Not medical. I was given 30 years
worth of the six o'clock news starting with the resignation of
Nixon. I guess you'd call this a communicationn.>>
You were given views of future newscasts?
<<1983 - Wife and I both abducted. They fixed a malformation in
her fallopian tubes. We'd been told we'd never have kids. Two
months later, she's pregnant (my kid). Took genetic specimen
from me.>>
Does your wife have any visible external scars from this
procedure? From what part of your body did they take the tissue
sample?
Is your first name Ed? Just wondering.
-Patrick
Message: #209155, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 9, 1994 2:09:29 AM
Subject: #209103-UFO Reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Patrick J. Maloney 73407,3676
Patrick: First name is Bob. No scars. Most likely under the
pubic hair. Specimen from testicle
Incidentally, the wife is now the exwife. She always lied to me
about the source of her sterility. I recently confronter her
with what I NOW KNEW to be the truth. Her response was, How did
you find out?
Go figure.
Yes, future events.
Bob
Message: #209457, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 9, 1994 5:03:02 PM
Subject: #207936-Do they want us to Know?
From: Jim Griebel 71541,2124
To: westbrook 71705,262
Well, it's hard to see how this relates to anything I said, but:
1. Bravo. Me too. 2. Captured technology is going to be
exploited -- whether this is a good or a bad thing is a remote
moral consideration compared to immediate tactical advantage. My
point was that trying to exploit it as a black project may not
be the best way to go about it. 3. You've lost me on this one.
You seem to be advising us to "do nothing," except maybe read
your book. 4. Oh. Another one? The problem with Those of You
What Have Been There for Those of Us What Ain't is the
remarkable variety of stories you all tell -- everything from
Tall Blond Beautifully Androgynous Messengers of Cosmic
Brotherhood to Baby-Devouring Lizard Beings from Hell. It's a
little difficult for us to make out which of you we ought to
believe, since you all claim that firsthand experience validates
your claims.
If you want to e-mail me your address, I'll take you up on the
book offer. In the meantime, it might be nice if you climbed
down off the soapbox just a tad.
Message: #209547, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 9, 1994 8:01:20 PM
Subject: Ufo reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: 71541,2124 (received)
You seem to be advising us to "do nothing," except maybe read
your book. > I am saying that whining about government is not
'doing something'. Expecting others to provide answers to you is
not 'doing something'. Expecting government to hand over secrets
that you aren't equiped to put to good use is illogical.
What Ain't is the remarkable variety of stories you all tell --
everything from Tall Blond Beautifully Androgynous Messengers of
Cosmic Brotherhood to Baby-Devouring Lizard Beings from Hell.
Each abductee usually has had experience with only one of the
seven species of aliens available. One (Nordics) are human, the
other six are artifically created lifeforms built upon a
foundation of our genetic material. Of those, there is one that
appears to be an insect. All but the Nordics are sterile. Any
abductee is capable of reporting only what they (individually)
have seen. Therefore, if you are a person looking for a one shoe
fits all alien scenario, you'll be able to cite inconsistancies
UNLESS you are willing to expand the logic to include more than
one alien lifeform.
Different people have different experiences with them. The
Nordics are quite beautiful, however, they can be mean. It
depends upon the purpose of their mission. If they have no need
for force, they can be as nice as the next guy. They follow
their orders.
I can't speak to all the stories that abound. My work is built
upon a foundation of logic that anyone with a reasonable and
open mind can follow. I don't seek converts but I do have an
agenda. CIS provides a forum for me to exercise that agenda.
Specifically, I am looking for those who have had the same exact
experience I have had.
Re: My soapbox.
My arrogance is born of competency and the certainty that I am
right. If my style offends you, the question becomes, "Who owns
the problem?"
So I don't have to keep sending people Email my address is
Robert Westbrook 8707-D Lindley#125 Northridge, CA 91325
Message: #209954, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 10, 1994 1:37:22 PM
Subject: #209547-Ufo reply
From: Shannon, Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>Each abductee usually has had experience with only one of the
seven species of aliens available<<
A researcher told me that the researchers speak of *67*
different species. My own abduction included 3 types of beings
that I have never heard of anywhere else. Sara
Message: #210133, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 10, 1994 6:19:01 PM
Subject: #209547-Ufo reply
From: Jim Griebel 71541,2124
To: westbrook 71705,262
Well, Bob, your self-described "arrogance" sure ain't _my_
problem, and I can hardly "own" one I can't fix. I might ask
why, if you came in here to find people with the same
experiences, you didn't do that instead of launching instantly
into a lecture-cum-editorial, but what the hell. We get more of
this here: who's "whining about the government?" I don't; I
don't think the government knows any more about real UFOs
(whatever they are) than I do. OTOH the government has seen them
as a powerful propaganda/ psychological warfare tool, a means of
manipulating mass opinion, since very early on -- see, for
instance, the Robertson Panel report -- and may well have
engaged in experimentation along those lines. (It is known that
there have been some attempts to provoke UFO reports, so as to
get some feel for how likely they are to be made; much more
complex and far-reaching experiments have reached at least the
proposal stage.) As for "handing over secrets," I haven't even
brought up the legitimacy of classifying such information, if it
exists (which I doubt) although certainly there is ample room
for discussion of the point. Blind faith in the government's
wisdom is, alas, not one of my strong points. Sorry about that.
But, for the third time, the point I've been trying to make is
that reverse engineering alien technology as a black project may
not _work_ as well as doing it in the open.
Yeah, I've heard of the seven species of aliens: who hasn't?
This isn't exactly hot news you're putting forward here, you
know; it looks thus far like a variation of the Cooper/Lear view
of matters, which is about as fresh, new and exciting as last
week's Hamburger Helper. Others have cited numbers running up
into the hundreds. Why should I believe you and not them? I
guess the answer to that one is going to be "read the book,"
which I will, but in closing, let me point out that your own
certainty of your absolute correctness doesn't mean a thing to
anybody else, and logic is only as good as its premises. False
premises, impeccable logic, false conclusions.
Message: #212263, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 14, 1994 3:09:05 AM
Subject: #212194-UFO Reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/SL16 70403,3645 (received)
Gee,
Too common. Guess what folks, the earth doesn't shake here
everyday. And no one else called the shot. AND it was reported
in the news.
So much for the proof mongers.
Bob
Message: #212598, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 14, 1994 7:59:00 PM
Subject: #211704-UFO Reply
From: Todd Hasken 70661,2664
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #212828 (1 reply)
Bob,
Don't quit your day job just yet. Claim what you will, but
at least make a legitimate prediction rather than "someone will
die in an accident today". According to my encyclopedia (I'll
have to visit the library for more current and direct sources),
there are over 50,000 quakes each year recorded between a 3 and
4. Such quakes have been occurring almost daily in that area
since January. I didn't even see that one on the national news,
which *channel* did the aliens show?
This goes back to the difference between a true prophet and a
false prophet. A true prophet is never wrong, and doesn't need
a stretch. I am not trying to discredit or dismiss your
accounts, but if you want to show that you have *seen* the
future, then tell us something that can't be predicted based
upon recent events or statistical probability. Your statement
that Clinton will not serve out his term (though I'd like
something a *little* more immediate) is such an example, because
the odds are greatly against you.
ToddH
Message: #212828, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 15, 1994 2:12:17 AM
Subject: #212598-UFO Reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Todd Hasken 70661,2664 (received)
Todd:
You asked for something a little more immediate and I gave it
to you 3 hours before it occurred. Check the time stamps on the
post. Your flippant dismissals based on daily quakes in the 3 to
4 magnitude in LA are false and inaccurate. I live here and I
know when it jumps. The news was and nbc.
Furthermore, I've already said I don't claim to be a prophet
or anything of the sort. Yet, you seem to have ignored that. The
fact is, you asked, and I delivered. If you think quakes are
easy to nail down. Why don't YOU replicate the feat. Name locale
within 50 miles, day, magnitude. Now if you really want to
impress me - stich in the time.
You think that playing mathematical probibilites is the name
of the game. Dig up the stats to support your opinion. I have
the advantage of living in the area for 35 years and while there
are earthquakes in CA every day, they are less than 2.0 range
and are all centered 700 miles from LA in the Mammoth Lakes
region. Your stats and your opinion fall short.
Naturally, we can't consider the impossible. Perhaps what I've
said is true and correct. Nahhhhhhhhhh.
Bob
Message: #212742, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 14, 1994 11:09:04 PM
Subject: #211708-reply
From: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #212829 (1 reply)
Bob (it is Bob isn't it?),
>>There are more than one anti-christ. Answer = those still
possessing free will.
Clarification = The god of Abraham was not a god.<<
This is extremely interesting; could you go into this further.
Also, I would be interested in reading your book but
unfortunately, living in Australia have no way of sending you a
stamped envelope. Any suggestions?
Stuart
Message: #212829, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 15, 1994 2:18:23 AM
Subject: #212742-reply
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
Stuart - leave me email with your address. I'll mail you one.
Genesis 7. The sons of god mate with Noah's girls and give birth
to a race of giants. Sons of God = angels. Conclusion = angels
and humans share the same dna. Inference = Humas ARE angels.
God is not of the flesh and therefore does not possess our dna.
Therefore, he is of a different species. There is extensive
evidence in the bible of out of time technology. Any diety using
techology to perform 'miracles' would therefore be limited to
the extents of his machines. The God of Abraham shows many many
limitations. Furthermore, most of the so called miracles can be
done with 20th century technology. This includes the parting of
the Red Sea. The book gives much more detail.
The God of Abraham was a conartist who I've rename Con-man. He
suffers the same emotional failings as humans and does his
miracles with the slight of hand of a stange magician. Jesus
Christ, on the other hand, performed his straight up and in your
face.
Bob
Message: #213685, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 16, 1994 6:19:03 PM
Subject: #211056-ufo Nordics
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262
I mean no disrespect, but I want to ask an obvious question
here. Assuming you are telling the truth, and you are in fact
involved in an ongoing battle of wits with aliens, why are you
spilling so many beans here in a public forum? What is your
motive in sharing the information you have gained, the defense
measures you have discovered, and operational plans? It strikes
me that you would be helping the aliens scope you out and defeat
what defenses you have worked out, and also decrease your
chances for success in future operatins by airing them here. Am
I being too naive, or do you have reasons for all this?
Regards... Mike Borger
Message: #213915, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 17, 1994 5:57:00 AM
Subject: #211709-reply
From: Stephen L. Schwartz 74353,1544
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>>Can u give us an account of what she thinks happened to her?
Bob
This young lady is 20, I believe, and as far back as she can
remember, has had deep hidden fears. One such fear is that of
being out in the country. She remembers an early episode once
when she was in such a place, and she was in the back window
seat of the car. The car stopped, and a strange face came up the
side of the car facing her. She vaguely remembers going
somewhere but can't remember where, or for how long. She is
certain that she can feel when they are around the area, but
can't explain why.
She has memories of strange locations, which she can't imagine
were of anything from here. All in all, she is very bothered by
the whole thing. The whole story is very complex, and if you
would like I can arrange a conversation.
Is there anything I could do to help? Please let me know.
Thanks,
Steve Schwartz
Message: #214289, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Apr 17, 1994 8:53:21 PM
Subject: #212829-reply
From: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
Sorry if you got two postings of thesame message. I was having a
small trouble with my navigator. :-)
Stuart
Message: #214379, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Apr 18, 1994 3:32:03 AM
Subject: reply ufo
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: 71736,3374
Fm: Michael Borger 71736,3374 To: westbrook 71705,262
> why are you spilling so many beans here in a public forum?
Michael would you care what an ant thought about you? They hold
us in extreme contempt. We are viewed as nothing more than
cattle. Would you get paranoid if Bessy had anything to say?
What is your motive
> I am looking for 30 specific people. From 1973 to 1976, there
were 30 reported cases identical to my own. Those people hold
the missing pieces to my puzzle. These are my motives.
Bob
Message: #214380, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Apr 18, 1994 3:32:11 AM
Subject: reply ufo
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: 74353,1544
This young lady is 20, I believe, and as far back as she can
remember, has had deep hidden fears. One such fear is that of
being out in the country. She remembers an early episode once
when she was in such a place, and she was in the back window
seat of the car. The car stopped, and a strange face came up the
side of the car facing her. She vaguely remembers going
somewhere but can't remember where, or for how long. She is
certain that she can feel when they are around the area, but
can't explain why.
There are thousands of reasons why people have fears, none of
which have anything to do with ufos. Her research, and thus,
your description of the encounter are lacking.
Who was driving the car? What did they see and hear? Have they
been queries about the memory? Were there others in the area and
time frame that have had similar recollections? Has the lady
been tested for mental illness or personality disorders?
See what I mean?
>Is there anything I could do to help? Please let me know.
Yes, get a more complete picture. The basic reporter's credo
applies here. Who, what, where, when and why.
B
Message: #216023, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 21, 1994 2:39:14 AM
Subject: books and ufos
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: all
Folks:
I have upload several chapters of my book, A Survivor's Guide
To Armaggedon as Textware. Feel free to take a peek.
As with any endeavor, the proof is in the pudding. I was asked
to make a prediction of a verifiable event. I did so, predicting
the occurence of an earthquake in Los Angeles several hours
before it actually occurred. The time stamps of the posts here
on CIS are proof positive of the fact. Those who requested proof
are ironically silent and I find the silence on the subject
deafening. Or is it frightening?
I've noted of late, that the subject matter I'm pursuing has
generated a significant amount of fear in some. Actually, I'd
say it's more of a 'primal' fear. It goes much deeper.
Now, either I have established some credibility or I haven't.
Ignoring the reality services no purpose and definitely doesn't
help me one iota.
Bob Westbrook
Message: #216458, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Apr 21, 1994 9:34:20 PM
Subject: #214379-reply ufo
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262
Thank you for answering my direct questions so gracefully.
Okay, that makes sense. Are the aliens so ahead of us in
technology that it doesn't matter, or is theirs a radically
different consciousness, transdimensional existence that makes
them so different from us. Also, what do you think of the
various threads and library files that are equating these aliens
with the Bible's fallen angels or demons? Are these the same
critters who have been mistaken for fairies, etc?
I have a memory of a dream from childhood. There was a giant
buzzard that came to see me at night. He wanted to know if my
feet were like his. I was (in the dream) really sweating it
because I knew my feet were human, not big bird feet like his.
Is this a random noise dream, or is it significant?
Regards. Mike Borger
Message: #216629, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 22, 1994 6:41:18 AM
Subject: #216023-books and ufos
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>Now, either I have established some credibility or I haven't.
Bob,
Just like in the UFO phenomena itself, you have *begun* the
process of establishing a proof. Its a good start, and if you
continue in this manner, I will believe you, at least regarding
your clairvoyance. We are merely waiting for more, so that your
credibility/accuracy increases closer to, say, 98-99% (this will
vary depending on the person). I personally would like to see at
least a 90% overall success rate in your predictions, from a
minimum of 10 events. Also, each event has so many variants
(Richter scale reading, prior occurrence of daily aftershocks,
etc.) that this type of prediction allows much subjective
interpretation. Now if you predicted one earthquake to +- one
minute, +- 0.1 Richter scale, +- 20 miles epicenter, at least
one week in advance, it would only require the one event to make
a 99.9% believer out of me. (I base almost all of my beliefs on
a percentage belief system).
Shannon
Message: #216941, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Apr 22, 1994 6:03:01 PM
Subject: #216023-books and ufos
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the upload.
I certainly noted the prediction and outcome. Even though
quakes of that size (with no real property damage) don't get
reported here, I'm aware that the prediction would have under 1%
chance of happening by coincidence.
Again, thanks
Dean
Message: #220894, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 12:47:15 AM
Subject: #220560-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
Reply: #221226 (1 reply)
#: 220560 S16/UFOlogy/Contacts
29-Apr-94 12:28:15 Sb: #220383-#God is an Alien? Fm: Jan
Lamprecht 100100,464 To: westbrook 71705,262
> Didn't you point out that the Bible makes considerable
references to some sort of genetic engineering and "superior
humans".
*yes
Re: Genetics
We are homo sapiens. Jesus was homo superior. He was also
superior to the Nordics. This alludes a possibility he is not
with Conman's group. All people are not created equal. Genetics
determine intelligence. Those who state this reality are often
accused of being racist. Not very popular in American society
today. Ignoring truth, however, is the greater sin.
At first it bothered me a lot, being called Racist. Its sort of
like being called: Nazi. I've sat and thought about the issues
for the few days, and my point is relevant, very relevant. In
fact it may be at the very HEART of the UFO phenomenon.
>Those liberals who point the finger and yell racist are, IN
TRUTH, the racists. Those who are willing to sacrifice the truth
on the altar of the politics of the moment are more dangerous
than all the KKK and Nazis combined. They suffer from the hive
mentality of conformity. Armageddon promises to rid us of these
parasites.
Call me a racist pig if you will, but I think Aliens have been
under our bonnets and fiddling a heck of a lot. Why? (a) They're
studying us (b) They're fiddling with us. To make us worse?
Surely not. What's the
point? To make us BETTER? Why not?
>Their fiddling is to improve the herd. By improving our
genetics and intelligence, they enhance our dna and become a
more valuable commodity for their purposes.
Since I see no external modifications: e.g. Abductees with 3
arms, 2 heads, or one eye. I AM THEREFORE FORCED TO CONCLUDE
THAT THE ISSUE IS HIDDEN, IT IS MENTAL. Either they're fiddling
with our spiritual &/or mental capacities. IOW, DEBUGGING US,
APPLYING SOFTWARE PATCHES, BETA-TESTING and so on, and its
taking a heck of a long time to debug the human computers.
>Incorrect, they've got us wired. This has been true for a long
time.
>R U blonde? - odds are light brunette. IQ= 135?
So here's my point: Are we different experimental models? Did
the Aliens create a model of humans, leave them here, fiddle
with them. Then come back later with another model, operating on
slightly different principles, but still genetically compatible,
and leave it elsewhere and so forth. Hence different people's
have come and gone and merged, etc. What's so crazy about that?
What's so wrong with that? Its not ME that's doing it, its the
ALIENS.
>Agreed.
Re: Science
Orientals and Whites have similar IQ's. There is no practial
difference. Blacks, as a group, have lower iq's. In the US where
race politics is the fad of the last 20 years, the move is to
attack the testing process as being racist since blacks do not
do well with standardized testing. Therefore, government has
restricted the use of iq tests for everyone rather than to deal
with the reality that one racial group appears inferior. No
matter which yardstick you choose to use, blacks typically end
up on the low end. I avoided this subject in my book except to
the extent it was necessary. I used achievement and focused on
Africa's historical lack of achievement to illustrate my point.
What comes through clearly from the Bible is an ALIEN OBSESSION
WITH A RACIAL GROUP. Why? Maybe the Aliens are Nazis! Heil
Greytler!
>Aliens are the architect of the brave new world.
>Jan: You're much too defensive on the issue of race. Two rules
apply here.
Don't cast pearls before swine and don't waste time with
idiots.
With my limited (non-existant really) knowledge of biology, it
would seem to make sense that if an Alien could abduct someone,
do some tampering with his brain/genes, that that person could
then produce smarter kids? Perhaps someone with more knowledge
of this could explain whether my POSTULATE is valid, but that
seems the CRUX of the issue to me.
>Jan
You are absolute correct. My son is much smarter than either
me or my ex wife. Furthermore, he mother was sterile and only
conceived after being abducted with me, and surgically fixed to
correct her malformed fallopian tubes.
Re: South Africa
I can't speak for the Canadians, but here in the U.S. the
liberal propaganda machine has indoctrinated the public to
believe that all white South Africans are bigots and murderers.
As we've been denied objective or truthful access to the facts
of your country, you'll find sizeable prejudice here against
your end - on issues surrounding race relations in your country.
Bob
Message: #221226, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 9:58:00 PM
Subject: #220894-God is an Alien?
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
Westbrook
You inserted the header of message #220560 when you wrote your
message 220894. Many if not MOST navigators don't like that
because they then interpret the whole body of the message to be
part of message you replied to and mask it out. So we were able
to see message 220894 but it was seen as message 220560. Message
220894 itself was seen as blank.
PLEASE, in the future, if you quote a message header, change the
# sign by something else. That's what is at the root of the
problem. Best, you don't even need to quote the header of the
previous message as CIS keeps track of that automatically. See
for yourself:
| This is what causes the problem when in the 1st column.
V
#: 220894 S16/UFOlogy/Contacts
30-Apr-94 01:47:15
Sb: #220560-#God is an Alien? (This line indicates what message
it replies to)
Fm: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
Alain
Message: #220880, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 12:20:15 AM
Subject: #220815-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Paul Winter 72122,2715
Paul:
Re: God
Consider this alternative thought.
WE ARE GOD.
Bob
Message: #220878, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 12:13:22 AM
Subject: #220588-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645 (received)
Alain:
Maybe I've done it ass backwards. I haven't done too much
reading. Of course, I've got the database - right? Bob
Message: #221206, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 8:19:17 PM
Subject: #220384-God is an Alien?
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
<>
Many authors have spent years and years researching. Reading
many books is the only way to grasp a topic. How is anyone
suppose to form a worthwhile opinion drawing only on their own
experiences? If we all did this, knowledge would never be
aquired. Sara\ who believes that the religion pushed by
mainstream churches is based on misguided interpretations of
alien technology But God is the one energy/intellegence that
binds life.
Message: #220877, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 12:12:02 AM
Subject: #220587-Earth Changes & governmt
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645 (received)
Alain
I got it out of a scientific encylopedia at a public library
12 years ago. Best I can do. Bob
Message: #221261, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 1994 11:30:10 PM
Subject: #220880-God is an Alien?
From: Paul Winter 72122,2715
To: westbrook 71705,262
<>
I considered that a long time ago and came up with what I
already believed in:
We are all of the same spirit. We are one. Only the awareness of
that fact has been blocked from us so we will experience things
more fully, consider life more valuable and develop the whole
more completely.
Message: #221306, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 2:49:13 AM
Subject: #221261-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Paul Winter 72122,2715
I agree in your conclusion that we have mind blocks installed to
prevent us from 1. an awareness of our true natures and 2. to
prevent us from using more than 10% of our brains.
However, your belief that it is part of an evolutionary process
is erroneous and seems founded in the halls of religion. As the
religions of the world were supplied to us by aliens, it is
rational and logical to propose that these were established
because THEY had a need they wished to fulfill and obedience to
a set of rules would achieve that goal.
For instance, if you were in the business of collecting genetic
goodies, the biblical injunction to "GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY"
would benefit you greatly as you would have more cattle to
harvest. If you had not intermixed your analysis of the facts
with 'belief's you would have arrived at a different and more
logical conclusion.
Bob
Message: #221302, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 2:43:00 AM
Subject: #221206-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Shannon + Sara:
How is one supposed to formulate an opinion without drawing from
the works of others?
Interesting.
You state your belief that religion is the product of
misinterpretation of alien technology. This belief is founded
upon a great deal of evidence is rational and logical. Did you
come to this opinion on your own, or is it someone else's
opinion? Can you site your own work into the subject or the
investigation or do you cite others?
One of the biggest problems in carte blanche acceptance of the
work of other people, my own included, is that they might be
wrong. By way of example, I point to your comment that God is
the only energy that binds life.
What evidence do you have to the existence of God? The God of
Abraham was a high tech fraud - based upon the available
evidence in the Bible. It follows that if you believe the doings
in the Bible (Old Testament) were the contrivances of a group of
high tech aliens, that you must also accept the premise that
their leader "god" was also a misrepresentation. Which god is it
you refer to then? The false god of Abraham?
My point is that while the logic of the situation is apparent,
you do not seem to have followed the trail to its logical
conclusion. Instead, I submit, you have substituted someone
else's conclusion as your own and in the process accepted an
incorrect premise, that the god's of the ancient religions
really were/are.
While the trail of historical evidence supports the supposition
that what purports to be hi tech aliens - can you site evidence
to the contrary supporting the existence of one real God?
Bob
Message: #221460, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 2:51:09 PM
Subject: #220376-God is an Alien?
From: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>>In answer to the question - Is God An Alien? The answer is NO
- I'm living in >>Los Angeles.
Message: #221458, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 2:51:30 PM
Subject: #220384-God is an Alien?
From: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> While I can see the value in exploring other peoples ideas,
I feel it's more >>important to find your own. Seekers of the
truth will always cross paths in >>their quest. Taken to the
extreme, I've developed the opinion that the library >>freaks
are actually voyeurs not really seeking to find a particular
truth as >>much as to get off on someone else's life.
Now you're TALKING! Finally someone who THINKS!
I can't agree with you more. I used to buy one UFO book after
another, and the same with Occult and other subjects. I crammed
my mind with TRASH. I lived on other people's ideas, and was
enlightened or as deluded as they. Today I seek EVIDENCE, and
DRAW MY OWN CONCLUSIONS. I hardly read a book any more and end
up agreeing with the author.
As time went by and I finally realised this. I stopped. I don't
buy many such books any more. When I buy, I buy discerningly. It
has to be really worthwhile before I buy. CompuServe should be
the ULTIMATE alternative to reading books. Live, deep,
intellectual discussions across the world, as NEVER BEFORE. When
in history could great thinkers on different continents go about
their daily lives and still have the PLEASURE of one another's
company at the touch of a button. Yet I find this forum filled
to the brim with book freaks. Read this, read that. One liner
messages clogging up the headers. How many messages consist of:
Postulate + supporting evidence?
This forum has the POTENTIAL to be BETTER than any book. You
know what I found strange? I thought that UFO Authors and the
CREAM OF THE CROP would be here. But, in reality very little
THINKING takes place here.
Literally every "Thinking Thread" I start causes a furore of
some kind. I find so few people willing to sit down, think out
an argument or postulate, and willing to examine all its facets.
Am I the only person who dares to challenge anything? Maybe the
reason is because I don't READ as much UFO literature (anymore)
as the rest of you.
Some people in this forum are so gullible. If they read a book
regarding cattle mutilations: Cattle anuses are delicacies for
Lizard Aliens on another planet and that the Aliens land, with
knife and fork in hand, de-anus (my own word!) a cow, and eat it
while singing "The Yellow Rose of Texas" backwards, and
balancing on their heads, with the Loch Ness Monster joining in
the chorus through a loud hailer, they'd believe it.
Maybe its the American way. Packaged food, packaged thought.
Want to think? Sorry! I can't do that! Where's my credit card?
There's still time to go to the store and buy 5 tins of it! It
says "This is what you may think, and this is what you may not
think". A Thinking American once told me that he felt Americans
were the ultimate conformists. As he put it: "A sheep's sheep."
As far as I'm concerned CompuServe's potential is barely tapped.
People just don't know how to use it.
I'm impressed with what you did by yourself, and Lumir seems to
be doing some sterling work to. Now THAT's what I call
CONVERSATION. Too bad so FEW bother to do the same. Maybe it
requires too much effort.
Cheers,
Jan--
Message: #221461, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 2:51:14 PM
Subject: #220380-God is an Alien?
From: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>>God is a 5th dimensional creature with rather widespread
influence. He has the >>bad habit though of not wanting to get
his hands dirty and expects us to wipe >>our own backsides.
Why do you say God is 5th dimensional?
Cheers,
Jan--
Message: #221693, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 10:09:02 PM
Subject: #220880-God is an Alien?
From: Kim Brockman 74353,316
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I couldn't agree more. God isn't a SEPARATE entity, but rather
a TOTAL entity. IMO it is more correct to think of God as Earth,
than as a superior being guiding our destinies. He is the sum
total of all the souls on this planet (universe?). The part of
each of us that is God, is the lasting part. Christians call it
the soul. Psycologists call it the superego. Some are more in
touch and more aware of this part of their being than others,
but all living things are joined through it.
Whether or not aliens started the physical human life on this
planet is a totally separate and unrelated topic to God, in my
mind. It's also possible that the stories handed down
generation after generation and finally became the Bible and
other religious references, were exaggerations or stories ABOUT
UFO visits. And, BTW, I don't either of those theories totally
out of the realm of possibility! But God IS an alien? Not in
my opinion, but keeping an open mind.
--Kim
Message: #221830, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 2, 1994 2:56:20 AM
Subject: #221461-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
Jan:
Re: Conformity
The move towards conformity has been a slow and subtle process.
It is more akin to an acceptance of the 'hive' mentality of the
Grays. In the realities of Armageddon, you'll find these folks
poorly suited to survival.
Americans are not as conformist as you may think. It depends on
which part of the country you come from and the degree you
follow the politically correct liberal doctrines. The pc beliefs
do not value that which works over some fantasy of what it
should be. This crowd refuses to recognize that the first rule
of this planet is survival of the fittest. The hive philosophy,
particularly when actively promoted by a government, provides
serious disincentives to independent thought.
I'm now 44. A kid recently asked me 'What happened to the old
hippies?' My reply was, "We got haircuts and we're hiding in
your computers, we're still here".
People are people regardless of their nationality. Americans
tend to be more of whatever is going on at the moment because
with have the luxuries afforded by wealth. In India, most are
scraping for their next meal while we can lay back. The luxury
of time when directed to asisine propositions makes us look line
the cow's delicacy you mentioned. I'd like you to consider, and
have hope, that the real thinkers of the world usually keep a
lower profile and don't waste their time with idiots. We accept
their existance and then ignore them.
I applaud you passion - but would counsel a little more tact.
This comes to you from a person generally regarded as tactless.
Bob
Message: #221831, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 2, 1994 3:02:19 AM
Subject: #221460-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jan Lamprecht 100100,464
Why is God a 5th dimensional creature?
Logic derived from various sources. The easiest to quote would
be the Bible.
God is not of the flesh while his angels are of the flesh.
Further, God is not here.
Based upon the available information on ufos, there is a
differential in 'time'. In my own case, my fingernails grow at
an accelerated rate during the time periods of abductions.
Therefore, time is moving at a different speed. Time is
different, for example, in the area of a ufo landing and outside
that area. Identical time pieces will record differently. This
differential is consistent with what would be expected from
craft or people utilizing a 4 dimensional reality.
Furthermore, Angels (ufonauts) are immortal or extremely long
lived. This feature would also be consistent with a 4D
environment. Angels must travel to where God is. While God
can't, or prefers not to, travel here.
The relationship between dimensions comes into play. We can
employ the 2 dimensional aspects of length and width but can
not, through any natural means, make a physical leap into the
dimension above our own. Therefore, we can downshift one
dimension but can't upshift.
Angels (ufos) can downshift into our third. By inference we
would deduce they can not upshift into the fifth. God is a
disembodied 4D creature OR he is a 5D creature who can downshift
to the 4th and employs the 4D creatures to effect changes in
areas out of his immediate reach. Incidentally, all these ideas
also apply to Satan.
If God were a 4D creature, and he would by definition be all
powerful, he would have no need for the ufos, their people or
their technology. The logic of purpose dictates that you do not
create tools that have no function. To employ any 'angel' for
any purpose implies a need. It follows that angels can do things
that God can't. Yet, if God is all powerful he could do
everything himself. As he doesn't - logic demands he can't.
If God is a 5D creature capable of downshifting only one
dimension, then the purpose for the angels becomes apparent and
rational. They can perform tasks in dimensional environments
outside of his reach.
You will find it interesting to note that the Grays call their
leader 'God'. The mythohistorical writings indicate that he is,
in fact, Satan. Humanity, those who subscribe to traditional
religion and the hive mentality, will walk gladly into the
harvester's waiting arms thinking they are on their way to
heaven - when they are basically the main course for dinner.
If we carry the logic further, we can conclude that as we are
outside of God's reach, we have only to deal with his tools and
not him personally. ----------------
All this makes an excellent arguement against the existence of a
'real god'. However, Satan has restrictions placed upon him AND
he obeys them. This fact alone, infers the existence of a power
greater than Satan. One we might call God. However, we must also
be mindful that any civilization possessing sufficiently
advanced technology would appear to be gods to a lesser evolved
civilization. The question is, "How gullible is 20th century
mankind?"
Bob
Message: #221690, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 10:06:12 PM
Subject: #220372-Reply
From: Kathryn Kaycoff 73633,3352
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Looking forward to reading it.
Kathryn
Message: #221700, S/4 Spiritual Growth
Date: Sun, May 1, 1994 10:36:15 PM
Subject: #221304-Spirituality/UFOs
From: Paul Winter 72122,2715
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Of course you should draw your own conclusions, but independent
of others?
How would you obtain any information upon which to draw your
conclusions if you didn't listen to others?
It seems to me that a wise person collects as much information
as they can, from as many sources as they can find. Then their
conclusions have value.
Message: #221926, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 2, 1994 10:55:16 AM
Subject: #221302-God is an Alien?
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
I came to my conclusion about mainstream religions after
listening to speakers and reading several related books. I
always felt like religion was a means of control but I had not
put 2 + 2 together the way Sitchen and Bramley did. I am not a
scholar of ancient Sumarian nor had I studied the prevailence of
the Masons, although I had heard of it. And I read more authors
to hear more viewpoints.
<>
On this point I have formulated my own opinion. I am not
talking about anybody's God, I am talking about everyone's.
There is an energy that flows through everything. The way I
figure it, we are pieces of God experiencing life. In the
beginning there was only infinite nothing. The energy that
spontaneously developed is God. God wanted to experience
beingness and formed stars. The stars caused planetary systems
to form.
Life is everywhere. All is one. SARA (not Shannon, his view is
slightly different)
Message: #222960, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 4, 1994 1:32:12 AM
Subject: God is an Alien?
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #223005 (1 reply)
Hi again Bob,
Sorry to be so late on this subject -- couldn't find the right
part of the thread yesterday.
>> I've noticed that when someone comes up with an idea in a
>> particular genre, someone else usually refers them to some
book
>> or another.
I can't answer for anyone else, but I refer people to books as a
place to get facts backing up certain logical arguments. I may
make certain statements followed by my conclusion (hopefully, a
logical conclusion) and reference books or articles where the
original statements were made or the "generally recognized"
facts to back up my statements.
You have an advantage many people here don't. You are the
repository for your own facts (due to the abductions and the
viewing of future news programs). Your reference is yourself.
I have not been abducted and am not psychic (I know, everyone's
psychic -- I just don't get any information from that direction)
so I can't refer to myself as the source of most facts. I have
to refer to astronomers, geologists, archaeologists, prophets
and so on.
Even when I come up with an idea that is original to me, if I
run across the same idea in a book (or on the forum), I will
attribute the idea to the other person. This is not just being
humble, it's realizing that the other person probably had the
idea before I did.
Dean
Message: #223005, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 4, 1994 5:19:24 AM
Subject: #222960-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Dean:
I don't think you got my point. I do accept outside reference
sources. My book is filled with research on historical facts
etc. No one person can know everything. However, I've noted that
people assume others opinions without giving them much thought.
A fact is a fact and given some sort of evidence and be infered
to be a fact. Opinions are much more nebulous. Books citing
other's opinions have the same value as an oral contract. They
aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
In my work, I've laid a foundation of fact as the basis for MY
opinion. Everyone and their mother is free to disagree. Now if
someone cites my opinion as a source, it is flimsy and not
evidencary. So it is with the works of others. The reader in
search of the truth must glean the facts from the opinions and
develope his own. Otherwise, he is little more than a follower
looking for the leader of the week.
Bob
Message: #223280, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 4, 1994 6:23:25 PM
Subject: #223005-God is an Alien?
From: Mark Roberts 74227,1642
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
In an earlier thread, you mentioned that your "future glipmse"
given you by the ETs included something about Clinton not
finishing his appointment. Do you know anything about who will
follow Clinton(excluding Gore of course). I apologize If you
posted this and I missed it. I read about 90% of the threads
but I don't remember this particular subject.
-Mark
Message: #223628, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 5, 1994 12:58:08 PM
Subject: #223280-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Mark Roberts 74227,1642
In my book I've said that Clinton and Hillary are abductees.
Ufos aided in Clinton's election and expect him to crash and
burn. In doing so, he pulls the thread that unravels world
stability - setting the stage and atmosphere of Armageddon.
Following him will be chaos.
Bob
Message: #224152, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 6, 1994 4:32:17 PM
Subject: #223210-UFO "HYBRIDS"
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Xanadu 75320,3227
Xandu:
Pressure is not necessarily a function of weight. At the center
of the planet, you have simple electricity being generated by
the core's movement within its own magnetic field. This juice
runs into impure conductors resulting in resistance (heat).
Therefore the HEAT builds pressure.
Bob
Message: #224186, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 6, 1994 6:06:12 PM
Subject: #224152-UFO "HYBRIDS"
From: Xanadu 75320,3227
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
Good point! It sure would. I think that the exact center of
the earth would probably be a vacuum... C Ya Xan
Message: #224326, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 12:30:12 AM
Subject: #221831-God is an Alien?
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262
I had a recent incident where I checked my watch and it was
almost exactly twelve hours slow. The date tipped me off, but
the time was OK. I wound the hands past the next 12 and I was on
the right day. This has happened to me at least six or eight
times the last ten years. My wife also notices her watch is
periodically 10 minutes slow and has to correct it. Until I read
your missives here, I attributed it to batteries fading or
whatever, but that can't be because once you correct the time
the watches go normal again. I also have noticed that
occasionally my fingernails seem to grow long in a very short
time. Could these be indications of something going on?
Regards... Mike Borger
Message: #224327, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 12:31:05 AM
Subject: #224186-UFO "HYBRIDS"
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Xanadu 75320,3227
X
Vaccum at the center? As gravity concentrates matter at the
center, I think that would be unlikely. However, I'll put my
trunks on and go for a swim down there to find out.
Bob
Message: #224510, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 2:27:23 PM
Subject: #224327-UFO "HYBRIDS"
From: Xanadu 75320,3227
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob!
Thanks. Please be sure to wear your swin fins!
C Ya
Xan
Message: #224472, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 11:59:20 AM
Subject: ufo detectors
From: Buzz Lange 76646,2532
To: westbrook 71705,262
Robert!
>> Send self addressed envelope and a 3 1/2 inch disk to
Robert
>> Westbrook 8707-D Lindley #125 Northridge, CA 91325
Is that offer good for Floridians too? I'd sure like a copy--OK
to send?
Buzz.
Message: #224527, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 3:49:13 PM
Subject: #224326-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael Borger 71736,3374
Reply: #224586 (1 reply)
Mike:
It's a good indicator of an abduction but I wouldn't take it
as proof positive. Missing time is always a factor. It's one of
the reasons they prefer to bag us from our bedrooms. It's a
place where we go to misplace time.
Have you woken up in the morning with scratches you didn't
have when you went to bed? Do you you have kids? Are you or the
wife of Irish and/or native American decent? Do you have the
dreams?
Bob
PS. Time aboard a ufo is accelarated relative to ours, thus the
rapid
fingernail growth.
Message: #224586, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 7:48:17 PM
Subject: #224527-God is an Alien?
From: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
To: westbrook 71705,262
As a direct descendent of two Irish lineages I was intrigued by
Derrel Sims' comment that 45% of his abductee clients are of
Irish/Native Indian descent (UFO Library April/May 1994 pg. 33).
As I recall you mentioning Sims as your therapist, as did Rob
Sheppard - another member abductee here - I wonder how that
statistic compares to the general population. I also wonder what
significance that selection has. In my own family we have both
Irish and Native Indian roots, and both cultures have
contributed the propensity for, and use of, psi powers. I have
often noticed that this psi capability seems to be a homing
signal of sorts to UFO, or a prerequisite sometimes for the
clearer perception of them. Any thoughts on this Bob? How about
your own geneology!
Pete
Message: #224528, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 3:50:11 PM
Subject: #224472-ufo detectors
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Buzz Lange 76646,2532
Buzz
go for it.
Message: #224690, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 7, 1994 11:35:10 PM
Subject: #224586-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512 (received)
Reply: #224767 (1 reply)
My lineage is French/Indian. I'm of the opinion that any
Euro-Indian combination works for the ufo criteria. I can't
speak for other tribes, but mine (Choctau) seem to have a
different perceptual slant on the world. It poses some
difficulties in dealing with a white oriented culture. While I
appear white, what goes on in my head is decidely different.
This gave me some problems in high school on conceptual matters
until I learned the key to success - don't listen to anything
the teachers had to say, read the book and figure it out for
myself. This resulted in a 3.8 grade average. The Indian factor
is, I feel, important. Combined with this is intelligence. The
greater the iq, the greater the mental abilities possible - psi
included.
It seems that those of Euro decent are prime targets for
abuduction followed by the various oriental races. The
intelligence factor is the key. However, in the Armageddon
scenario - a portion of us are going to be extracted to do
battle with the bad guys on their own turf. My feeling and
expectation is that the ability to communicate on their level
(telepathic) is mandatory. Again a function of intelligence.
Bob
Message: #224767, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 8, 1994 8:29:25 AM
Subject: #224690-God is an Alien?
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262
re: a portion of us our going to be extracted to do battle with
the 'bad guys' on thier own turf!
WHOA, come by that again ? With some more thoughts, please ?
Besides the 'intelligence and telepathy' quotient, how is this
gonna happen ? Is there an 'IQ' floor or top ?
Thanks !
WW
Message: #225143, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 9, 1994 1:10:01 AM
Subject: #224767-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421 (received)
WW:
The floor on the iq is 125. There are two groups scheduled for
extraction. The first are those who have sold their free will.
They will be taken as an expanded workforce to impliment
Armageddon. The others (2000 of them) will be those who 1. have
high iq. 2. haven't sold out and 3 are, by temperment, warriors.
They will do battle with the bad guys.
Bob
Message: #225392, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 9, 1994 5:03:13 PM
Subject: #223628-God is an Alien?
From: Paul (TX) 72102,724
To: westbrook 71705,262
What an interesting topic! I would like to know the name of
your book. Where u abducted? Sorry if this is a redundant
question!
-- John
Message: #225467, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 9, 1994 7:46:14 PM
Subject: #225143-God is an Alien?
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
>> 1. have high iq. 2. haven't sold out and 3 are, by
temperment,
>> warriors.
I would think 1. and 3. just might be not too compatible (maybe
that's why only 2000).
Dean
Message: #225633, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 3:25:29 AM
Subject: #225467-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
No Dean. High intelligence and a willingness to fight are not in
conflict. An intelligent person realizes that the first rule of
life is survival. The second is survival of the fittest. The
liberal left grow weakness under the guise of civilized behavior
and demand conformity of thought, word and deed so as to create
an ant colony environment. My warriors are not of this clan.
Bob
Message: #225632, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 3:22:00 AM
Subject: #225392-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Paul (TX) 72102,724
Paul. 1. A survivors guide to armageddon. A sample is in the
download section. 2. Abducted - yes.
Bob
Message: #225637, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 4:05:03 AM
Subject: #223628-God is an Alien?
From: JULIO GRAHAM 100100,2107
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>thread that unravels world stability - setting the stage and
atmosphere of >>Armageddon. Following him will be chaos.
Strange as it may seem, this is probably the biggest problem to
face the USA in the next couple of years. Even if the aliens
don't crash and burn Clinton, I'm sure the American Press and
public will do a good job. God knows how these Commies get
elected anyway.
Julio
Message: #225822, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 4:29:00 PM
Subject: #225633-God is an Alien?
From: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #225843 (2 replies)
>>An intelligent person realizes that the first rule of life is
survival. The second is survival of the fittest.<<
I would think that a really advanced being would have mutual
cooperation in there somewhere.
Message: #225850, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 5:44:23 PM
Subject: #225822-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
Bob P.
One may always think what they wish and hope for the best.
Never the less, the universe 'as we know it' is not very
forgiving.
Bob
Message: #225811, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 4:04:20 PM
Subject: #225632-God is an Alien?
From: Paul (TX) 72102,724
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Thanks for replying. I look forward to the book.
Paul
Message: #225933, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 10, 1994 9:10:10 PM
Subject: God is an Alien?
From: Gerry Deddo 71510,2737
To: westbrook 71705,262
<>
Bob,
What's a mind block? Is this some form of neurotransmitter
difficency or a lack of genes or specific genes to prevent
certain kinds of thinking?
<>
Who are these 'Bad Guys'?
One of the benefits of a IS is that when I collect most of the
thread, I have an opportunity to read a continuous dialogue.
This allows me to know and attempt to understand a person
longitudinally via their responses. Some time ago we had a
fellow posting things about porpoise (Ebe's) and lizzard people
comming to earth to crush us. And that we were placed here on
earth by the ANKH people or ANK godess(s) to serve them as
slaves. And now we have an abductee author (*REALLY NO*
disrespect intended) warning us about the 'bad guys' with which
the aliens are are going to conscripted us to do their fighting.
This and all the other 'doom' scnerios are beginning to wear a
path through the garden of reason. Can there be absolutely no
positive aspects to any ET event? Why does fear and the
degredation of us humans have to dominate these dialogues? I am
not proposing that we all look at life through rose colored
glasses, or follow the WORD and bury our heads in the sand, but
that there is another side to this coin.
America is on the edge of some major technological achievements.
We finally found the Top Quark and the Unified field theory is
about to afford us the ability to create atoms of choice, The
large telecommunications carriers (AT&T, MCI, etc) are moving
past 150Mbps modems which will afford us audio/visual
telecommunications over fiber optic (cold wire). 3 dimensional
memories can hold 3GB in a crystal the size of a sugar cube.
The last thing I DO NOT want to hear is that "The Aliens made us
do it" so we could have the tools to fight the lizzard people
comming here in their hollowed out asteroid. God save me!
Ger
Message: #226086, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 1:21:05 AM
Subject: #225933-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Gerry Deddo 71510,2737
> What's a mind block? Is this some form of neurotransmitter
difficency or a lack of genes or specific genes to prevent
certain kinds of thinking?
-A genetic reconfiguration tha allots the subconscious mind the
bulk
of the mental resources.
Who are these 'Bad Guys'?
-Download a sample of my book from the forum. A Survivor's Guide
to Armageddon.
> And now we have an abductee author (*REALLY NO* disrespect
intended) warning us about the 'bad guys' with which the aliens
are are going to conscripted us to do their fighting.
-Incorrect reading. I am not going to be drafted nor am I
fighting FOR
the bad guys. All of those invited to the party will 1. Go
willingly
and 2. To fight the bad guys.
> Can there be absolutely no positive aspects to any ET event?
-Like what? The meaning of life, the truths of the universe.
There
is no prime directive and we have been messed with. The only
positive
thing I see is that we are becoming aware of the truth and have
a
slim chance at defeating, what can only be viewed, as the
enemy.
Why does fear and the degredation of us humans have to dominate
these dialogues?
Fear and degredation are choices as are the inverse of the
equation. Answer = No. However, the truth is the truth and if
you find it depressing - best opt for the rose color glasses.
>but that there is another side to this coin.
As I've said before, there is an underground in the Nordic
empire dedicated to the overthrow of the power that be. The deal
is simple. We supply the warriors, they supply the technology.
Each contributes the aspect they're missing.
>The last thing I DO NOT want to hear is that "The Aliens made
us do it" so we could have the tools to fight the lizzard people
comming here in their hollowed out asteroid. God save me!
>Our achievements are our own. Aliens have no incentive to
promote advancement. Instead, the contrary is true. Agreed we
are on the verge of some technical advancements. The achievement
of cold fusion will give us the power supply to traverse the
stars. At that moment, we become a very real threat to our
captors. It is in their best interests to see that we do not
reach that discovery. The needs of survival always supercede the
esoteric frontiers of science.
A Sidebar - you have missed a great deal of the thread.
Bob
Message: #226173, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 10:00:07 AM
Subject: #226086-God is an Alien?
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262
Wes,
A mind block is a 15 second TV commercial, followed by another
and another, then
15 minutes of prime time CACA dsigned to stimulate our lower
brain functions with hit, sex, slice, sex, shoot, sex, run, sex,
chase, sex, hide and occasionally suck our thumbs....
Nancy
Message: #226185, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 10:11:12 AM
Subject: #226086-God is an Alien?
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Bob,
You are way, way, way, further along in your understanding of
the UFO phenomena than I am. While I'm still trying to get
past, "ok, I think maybe the phenomena is real...", you seem to
know who they are, what their names are, why they are here, what
they have done, what they will do, etc.
It seems like you feel you have all of the answers.
How is that? When I can barely find personal sufficient proof
that a phenomena even exists?
It seems as though you have a drawn hundreds of firm
conclusions, you absolutely know as truth, and I'm damned
curious what evidence you have to form these beliefs?
Is it channelled information?
Ancient texts?
Did an alien come up an tell you personally?
I am NOT trying to be sarcastic. My point is simply that it
takes a LOT of evidence for me to sway my personal belief
systems, and I'm very curious as to what has swayed yours.
If it is based on channelled information, etc. I doubt I would
accept it. Additionally, just because someone reports alien
communications, that hardly makes any of it true. Recorded
alien communications throughout history that I have been exposed
to is nothing but outright fabrications or gibberish.
If you've chosen to believe in the concept of good guys, bad
guys, Nordics and (I assume) non-Nordic's. I'm very curious how
this belief has arisen.
While I will download a sample from your book, I would like you
to attempt to 'convince me' of your world view, but only with
rational, scientific, argument. For example I had extensive
conversations with Nelson Pacheo who wrote 'Unmasking The
Enemy'. Pacheo has all of the answers TOO! He KNOWS that all
of this UFO phenomena is simply works of the devil, great Satan.
He KNOWS this as absolutely true. And anyone who believes in
Nordic's and such nonesense is just being lulled into Satan's
master plan of great deception.
The problem with Pacheo's book is it assumed the reader was a
devout practicing Christian, who accepted the bible as being a
true literal historical document. (And I find it hysterical that
anyone would take the bible as a literally historical. )
In short:
What base assumptions are you making about my belief systems
before I can believe your theory?
What evidence do you have to back up your claims?
Why should I believe your interpretation over that of a hundred
conflicting ones out there?
Why is it you feel you have sufficient evidence to draw these
kinds of conclusions?
Do you admit that much of the information you are basing these
conclusions on could well be fabrications? (Read my post about
the Christian cult to Alain, and perhaps you will catch just a
glimpse of how powerful people can believe complete and utter
fantasy as being literal truth. If you are going to accept a
contactee's tales as being literal truth, you are entering very
dangerous territory. It's not that the contactee is necessarily
lying. They believe this material to be 'true'. That certainly
doesn't make it so.)
John
Message: #226203, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 11:25:13 AM
Subject: #226086-God is an Alien?
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Bob,
BTW, I'm starting to read the beginning of your chapter, and to
temper somewhat my previous post. It looks like a GREAT piece
of writing.
I also think it sounds like an extremely good THEORY, one that
might even be true.
I've started reading some Sitchen, and I can see well you are
trying to put a lot of information together.
Many of my questions still remain. But it's clear you are
trying to answer one burning question I have, which is what
entity was responsible for Fatima, the creation of the Mormon
religion, etc. These are direct influences.
I am really looking forward to reading the rest of it. My
questions from the previous posts remain. I just thought I
might point out from reading just the first portion of your book
extract, it looks like you are taking a very open minded point
of view to forumulate a hypothesis. I applaud this.
I will still harass you as to why you 'know it's true' though.
John
Message: #226212, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 12:09:09 PM
Subject: #226086-God is an Alien?
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Ok, Bob,
I've read a fair amount of your treastise and I can say two
things with confidence:
1. You don't really have the right to use the level of disdain
you have for other people investigating the UFO phenomena. Your
treastise is, as you admit, wild, unbelievable, etc. If you
don't want your pet theories attacked as the ravings of a
madman, you should be a bit kinder to those with other points of
view.
2. You are clearly basing your assumptions on conclusions drawn
out of the thin air. Whatever is convenient at the moment works
as satisfactory for you to draw a conclusion. You take
statements from the bible as if the represented historical fact.
That's ridiculous. The bible is a document which has been
written, re-written, interpreted, and re-interpreted over
thousands of years by many different people. The words that
have ended up in the King James version you quote do not match
the original texts they were taken from. Of those texts they
were taken from, archeologists have found even older previous
versions, which say much more than ended up in you handy Motel 6
King James bible on the nightstand. Even if you go back to the
original document, and attempt to make a literal translation,
what is it a translation of? What real events are you assuming?
How can you interpret myth and legend thousands of years old as
true? And PLEASE don't bring God into it. I don't believe in
God. Using God as a basis for a logical argument, completely
erradicates any hope of you conducting an intelligent debate.
If I don't believe in God, I can't follow any of your logic. If
I don't believe in the words in your Motel 6 bible as being
representative of 'facts' I can't follow your logic.
I don't mean to say lessons can't be learned from ancient texts.
And that some of your theories might even have a ring of truth
to them. Hell, it may be an excellent hypothesis. But your
tone! It's self-righteous to the highest order. It's not logic
that's for sure. You can't conduct a logical presentation when
it's based on using the King James bible as a literal
representation of anything. You talk about the flood as if it
were FACT. The creation of man as if it were FACT. But if a
guy reports a UFO yesterday, that's the ravings of lunatics?
While I'm barely prepared to admit that many RECENT UFO reports
may have some validity, why, in the imaginable universe would I
accept thousand year old UFO reports as being LITERAL!!!!! And
if you are going to take these same texts and treat them as
complete literal fact, and argue thus, how are you prepared to
dismiss modern day UFO researchers from trying to reach their
own understanding of the phenomema?
John
Message: #226235, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 1:13:21 PM
Subject: #226173-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
Nancy,
I don't watch the commercials. I'm too busy doing
sex,sex,sex,sex. Just don't have the time to watch it. Bob
Message: #226306, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 4:30:20 PM
Subject: #226235-God is an Alien?
From: Patrick O'Rourke 72730,2741
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #226311 (1 reply)
You're busy doing sex, sex, sex, too, eh?
Glad to hear it. I thought I was the only one.
Just wish somebody was there to enjoy it with me, that's all!
Message: #226311, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 4:37:26 PM
Subject: #226306-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Patrick O'Rourke 72730,2741
Perhaps I could be there to enjoy it with you. I'm short, cute
and available.
Bob
Message: #226312, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 4:38:31 PM
Subject: #226264-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I'm right now in the process of reading all of the Sitchin
books. And while I haven't drawn any conclusions he does appear
to be dealing with the original source material. For example,
you refer in your King James version of the creation material to
God, without acknowledging that the original Sumerian text may
have refered to God's or Elohim, or whatever.
I am finding Stichin's material very interesting. Though it
doesn't appear to conflict with your basic theories, it does in
detail. And he does refer to the original texts, not the bible
diluted versions.
How do you theories when assesing ancient texts differ from
Sitchens?
>After I had written most of my book, I broke down and read
portions
of Stitchen's. To be precise, I had a friend read it and
summarize it
for me.
We seem to arrive at most of the same conclusions. He cites the
existence
of a home world on an eccentric orbit. I've made no attempt to
reason
the placing of the home world as it is irrelevant to the scope
of my
work. What is important is that using two different historical
vehicles
we arrive standing nearly on top of each other. This validates
my point
that serious seekers of truth will cross paths in the endeavor.
I disagree with your analysis of the Bible. Bad addressing your
question
as to why I didn't use this verse or that verse, I thought it
would be
tedious, boring and irrelevent. My cites are there only to
validate
my premise. I could probably write an encylopedia of cites and
it would
not have added to the value of the book. So, I endeavored to
keep it
reasonable. The point is the discovery of the truth.
I would also add that I have left a great deal of info out -
deliberately. I did this so that I would be able to identify the
rest of the warriors when they cross my path. Like me, they are
being driven past the point of compulsion to seek out the truth.
Bob
Message: #226314, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 4:42:07 PM
Subject: sex
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: 72730,2741
Ignore that previous post Patrick. I didn't observe the header
closely, I thought it was Nancy, the girl who initiated the sex
post. Color me embarassed.
Bob
Message: #226379, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 6:43:22 PM
Subject: #225633-God is an Alien?
From: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
To: westbrook 71705,262
<<..An intelligent person realizes that the first rule of life
is survival..>>
Geeze Again westbrook!
Ya, I'd have to agree with this.
Message: #226374, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 6:40:06 PM
Subject: #224690-God is an Alien?
From: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
To: westbrook 71705,262
Geeze westbrook!
Have you found that most abductees are of greater than average
intellengence? (my IQ is supposed to be somewhere in the 140's
give or take a few points depending on my mood! :)
I don't want to fight the Armageddeon battle, so I guess I'll
have to dummy up!
bye... linda.
Message: #226359, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 6:35:25 PM
Subject: #224527-God is an Alien?
From: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi westbrook,
I thought it was SCOTCH and native american?
GEEZE, I don't stand a chance, I'm English, Irish, Scotch,
Norwegian and French... The french is French Canadian... and
Great Grandma Mayhew had VERY high cheekbones, rumor was that
she was Native American. Oh well... :) bye... linda.
Message: #226405, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 8:02:03 PM
Subject: #226266-God is an Alien?
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
When there is a large paragraph, you don't need to quote the
whole para in the reply. You can say for example:
>> 2. You are clearly basing your assumptions on conclusions
drawn out of
>> the thin air. Whatever is convenient .....
>> ..... If I don't believe in the words in your Motel 6 bible
as being
>> representative of 'facts' I can't follow your logic.
Otherwise, the people from overseas who have to log in at $50/hr
will be cursing at you! (They call that "netiquette"!)
>> So what - I'm not asking you to kiss my *ss.
Tsk! tsk! Please let's keep it clean! (That's also
"netiquette"!)
Alain
Message: #226328, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 5:12:21 PM
Subject: UFOBK.TXT
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Reply: #226329 (1 reply)
Bob,
I've taken the time to comment on just some of the introductory
portion of your book. For me it's base assumptions about
religion and the literal interpretation of ancient religious
texts, is too big a stretch for me to follow.
But I would like to take the very beginning section and point
out why I feel most people can't follow your 'logic'. I do not
think we will be able to debate much on this subject because our
base belief systems are so radically different.
I do not currently hold in my belief systems your concepts of
God, Angels, Satan, or the supposed factual interpretation of
events recorded by prophets in ancient texts. Due to this I
cannot absorb much of your material. Personally, I think there
are grains of truth in what you have written. But it's the way
in which it is presented that makes it so difficult for me deal
with the material itself.
>>Instead, the factual material provides us with an abundance of
data on God, His mind, His deeds, and His intents.
The factual material says nothing about God. It only addresses
ancient BELIEFS in God. A major and critical difference.
>>To analyze God, we must first have a working definition.
Perhaps.
>>All would agree God is all powerful. He is all knowing and
there is no limitation to His power or his knowledge.
No, I most certainly would not agree with this statement.
Additionally, are you assuming the reader even believes in God
in the first place?
>>If you can concur on this definition, I can tell you
unequivocally that the God of Abraham was not, nor could he have
been, a God.
This I agree with. Simply because the 'God of Abraham'
represents Abraham's BELIEF in a God. A belief in a God,
recorded in ancient documents does not equate to a literal
record of a God's actions.
>>Satan, an angel, comes with his peers before god. Therefore,
angels are able to go to where god is. Since we can not, we
infer they possess abilities we do not. Yet, there is an amazing
point of commonality between us and the angels. We have the same
DNA.
This is kind of gibberish to me at this point. You assume I
believe in angels already at this point. (I do not even know
what that means or what the definition you mean by it.)
Likewise, I do not believe in Satan, and you've done nothing to
proffer a definition.
>>It takes no leap of imagination to conclude the obvious. We
and the angels are from the same genetic soup. Our DNA is well
within acceptable boundaries for procreation. Inverse logic
dictates another amazing deduction - we ARE angels.
Huhhh?? Leap of imagination? Conclude the obvious? Conclude
what? From a couple lines of the bible, I'm supposed to conclude
this? It's way to big a leap for me. At least Sitchin quotes
reams of Sumerian text describing the time, reason, and process
that the Elohim supposedly created the human race from the
existing 'ape man and woman' before he pushes the reader to
MAYBE believe this is a literal interpretation of events dating
back to the original 'adam and eve'.
And just because Sitchin has interpreted some extraordinarily
ancient texts into his literal interpretation, doesn't make it
true by any stretch of the imagination. To justify the 'truth'
of these texts Sitchin points out the many, many, instances
where they were 'correct' in regards to information about the
solar system that only recently modern day astronomers have been
able to 'rediscover'.
However, while you assume this is "concluding the obvious" to
many it might well be considered little more than perusing some
curious ancient myths.
[continued in the reply]
Message: #226415, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 11, 1994 8:44:04 PM
Subject: #225850-God is an Alien?
From: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>One may always think what they wish and hope for the best.
Never the less, the universe 'as we know it' is not very
forgiving.<<
And everyone is entitled to an opinion - as you have stated your
above.
Message: #226534, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 2:36:28 AM
Subject: #226328-UFOBK.TXT
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (deletable)
I do not think we will be able to debate much on this subject
because our base belief systems are so radically different.
>Agreed.
The factual material says nothing about God. It only addresses
ancient BELIEFS in God. A major and critical difference.
>Disagreement. The Jews had personal intercourse with the
purported
almighty.
>>All would agree God is all powerful. He is all knowing and
there is no limitation to His power or his knowledge.
No, I most certainly would not agree with this statement.
Additionally, are you assuming the reader even believes in God
in the first place?
>If you're going to analyze anything you must establish the
parameters
of your premise. Otherwise, there is no point to be proven and
no logic
to employ. As I obviously don't believe in the god of Abraham
as a diety,
it seems obvious to me that I don't expect the reader to make
that
assumption.
>>If you can concur on this definition, I can tell you
unequivocally that the God of Abraham was not, nor could he have
been, a God.
This I agree with. Simply because the 'God of Abraham'
represents Abraham's BELIEF in a God. A belief in a God,
recorded in ancient documents does not equate to a literal
record of a God's actions.
>Incorrect on the subject of belief - again. And I feel you and
I are going
to keep coming back to it. The god of Abraham said I AM THE
LORD THY
GOD. He claims to be GOD!. Abraham's belief is irrelevant.
>>Satan, an angel, comes with his peers before god. Therefore,
angels are able to go to where god is. Since we can not, we
infer they possess abilities we do not. Yet, there is an amazing
point of commonality between us and the angels. We have the same
DNA.
This is kind of gibberish to me at this point. You assume I
believe in angels already at this point. (I do not even know
what that means or what the definition you mean by it.)
Likewise, I do not believe in Satan, and you've done nothing to
proffer a definition.
Incorrect again. I don't BELIEVE in angels and it is not
gibberish. The sons of God (aka angels) mate with Noah's
daughters and produce a race of giants. Again, I don't assume
(or care) what your beliefs are.
>>It takes no leap of imagination to conclude the obvious. We
and the angels are from the same genetic soup. Our DNA is well
within acceptable boundaries for procreation. Inverse logic
dictates another amazing deduction - we ARE angels.
Huhhh?? Leap of imagination?
I am not Stitchen nor do I wish to be. Comparing the two of us
is like apples and oranges. As you what it takes to gain your
BELIEF, I will once again state - your beliefs are irrelevant to
me personally. The book was not designed to gainer believers or
followers. It was written to inform.
However, while you assume this is "concluding the obvious" to
many it might well be considered little more than perusing some
curious ancient myths.
>Your premise is founded on an incomplete reading of the
material. As
you haven't seen the foundation laid for the idea that angels
and humans
have the same dna, the statements flowing from the incorrect
reading
are equally invalid.
You seem to have a bone to pick here. In your first post, you
misquote the material constantly using words like BELIEF and
ASSUME. You make statements that are not reflections of my words
again asking me to try and make you believe. This is an
impossible task. I couldn't make you believe the sun would rise
tomorrow even if I were inclined to try. that is the exclusive
domain of what goes on between your ears. Comparisons to
Stitchen are irrelevant and lack foundation. I didn't
investigate his cultural interests nor will I. It is interesting
to point out that you have similar bones to pick with his
material. I doubt he's going to stand in line to pucker up
either.
You seem inclined towards an attempt to discredit my work. If
so, I'll be glad to give you some help here. Assumptions and
beliefs aren't going to do the trick. The only vehicle available
to you is logic. As you seem focused on emotional facets, I
suspect you may have some trouble doing this.
So first logic. Second, you must accurately quote the material.
That means dedicating the time to read and digest it. Third, I
suggest you trot down to the nearest Motel Six and get a copy of
a Bible. Fourth, If you locate a point wherein you believe I
have used faulty logic or inferred substance from inaccuracy,
you must be prepared to quote it without relying upon your
beliefs. The point here is what I've written - not your reaction
to it.
I am willing to defend my work only to the point you are willing
to attack it credibly. This will require some effort on your
part. I suspect (very strongly) that as you appear to use logic
as a tool, that you will fail and will turn your sword in me
personally. I may be wrong, but it is worthwhile documenting the
suspicion for later reference.
Bob
Message: #226535, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 2:37:13 AM
Subject: #226359-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
GEEZE, I don't stand a chance, I'm English, Irish, Scotch,
Norwegian and French... The french is French Canadian... and
Great Grandma Mayhew had VERY high cheekbones, rumor was that
she was Native American. Oh well... :) bye... linda.
Around my neck of the woods we call it a Heinz 57 mix.
The quote reflects that more than 50% aren't of Irish-Indian
extraction. I think the relevent combinations are more
Euro-Indian than any one particular cultural grouping. The focal
point is intelligence.
Have you found that most abductees are of greater than average
intellengence?
>Yes. My personal experience is that I am running into IQ's from
140 to
165.
I don't want to fight the Armageddeon battle, so I guess I'll
have to dummy up!
>I have a sneaking suspicion that not too many girls have been
invited.
Sexist bunch our aliens
<<..An intelligent person realizes that the first rule of life
is survival..>>
Geeze Again westbrook!
Ya, I'd have to agree with this.
That's nice.
Message: #226604, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 8:30:29 AM
Subject: #226311-God is an Alien?
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Wes,
I think you and Patrick should get togather......
Nancy
Message: #226603, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 8:28:22 AM
Subject: #226235-God is an Alien?
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #226667 (1 reply)
Wes,
You rascal....and they said you were crude! What little gray
creature have you been playing around with....huh?
Nancy
Message: #226667, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 1:12:17 PM
Subject: #226603-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
I save crude only for special occasions. Gray, however, isn't
one of my favorite colors. Bob
Message: #226611, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 8:56:27 AM
Subject: #226266-God is an Alien?
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #226668 (1 reply)
Wes,
Your full of it.....
Nancy
Message: #226668, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 1:13:00 PM
Subject: #226611-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
Full of IT?
r we being crude?
Gee, I hope so.
Message: #226599, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 8:24:24 AM
Subject: #226314-sex
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #226666 (1 reply)
Wes,
What sex post.....? Am I sleep walking again?
Nancy
Message: #226666, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 1:09:26 PM
Subject: #226599-sex
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
Nancy
You made a post about tv commercials and sex. I replied that I
was too busy having sex to watch commercials. I also commented
that I was short, cute, and available. Unfortunately, I posted
it to a fellow named Patrick and drew some embarrassment on the
deal.
Bob
Message: #226793, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, May 12, 1994 6:44:01 PM
Subject: God is an Alien?
From: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
To: westbrook 71705,262
>I have a sneaking suspicion that not too many girls have been
invited.
Sexist bunch our aliens
GOOD! us "girls" will just wait til the battle is over and
then, as the group who survived the war... well you can imagine
the rest!
That's the smart way to do it, why get battle scarred if you
don't have to :) bye... linda.
Message: #226944, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 1:58:18 AM
Subject: #226793-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
Agreed:
Women shouldn't go into battle. I'd be the last to ask you to
risk breaking a nail.
Bob
Message: #226969, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 3:41:03 AM
Subject: #224806-Roswell UFO / Popovitsj
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312 (received)
Bob P.
The official U.S. position on ufo is they don't pose a threat to
the security of the government. This is true - they only
threaten the people.
Message: #226970, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 3:49:23 AM
Subject: #225852-Roswell UFO / Popovitsj
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Henk Vedder 100277,42
Henk
You ask for the proof of ufos. It already exists in the
hundreds, yeah thousands, of witness reports of abductees and
sightings. Yet, as human beings can't be trusted to believe
their own eyes - it's not credible. It's fascinating that
naturalistic observation is no longer considered a part of the
scientific method. Although it is considered valid for near
death research. Go figure.
Message: #226967, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 3:34:27 AM
Subject: ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: all
Reply: #226968 (1 reply)
Ladies, Gentlemen and anyone in between:
Sometimes it's difficult to carry the weight of this incredibly
inflated ego on my shoulders. However, if I don't toot my own
horn (even a little) - no one else is going to do it for me.
On April 12th I was asked to make a short term prediction from
my ufo database. I came up with an earthquake in L.A. and posted
it on CIS before the event.
Now we have two more verifications available. In Chapter
Seventeen of the book, I commented on the regular cycles of
plague 600-700 years that I laid to our ufo buddies. I predicted
that in the Armageddon equation plague and pestilence would be a
factor and that like the Black Death, they would be incurable.
Enter now two different bugs at the same moment in history. One
a virus and a new incurable and heretofore unknown bacteria. The
Hanta virus first cropped up on the Navajo reservation in the
Arizona/New Mexico area last year. The bacteria has only
recently been identified. If the person with Hanta get's in to a
hospital quick enough, he has a 60% chance at survival. If not,
a 100% chance of dying. Death stats aren't available yet on the
bacteria.
You may recall that the Black Death was carried by fleas running
in the company of rodents. The cure for the Hanta virus (found
in rat droppings) is a CAT. If you're in a position to get and
keep at least one of these critters - it wouldn't be a bad idea
- AND he should be an outdoor cat so he can do his hunting. Male
of the species is recommended. Best hunters aren't neutered.
Have to keep those aggressive male hormones on the job ladies.
Bob
Message: #226968, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 3:41:18 AM
Subject: #226967-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Lumir Janku 72274,376
To: westbrook 71705,262
Gee, Bob, don'tya have anything positive?
Lumir
Message: #227063, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 11:12:14 AM
Subject: #226967-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375
To: westbrook 71705,262
Why doesn't the Great Influenza Epidemic of 1917 count?
Incredible mortality, planet-wide... Besides, HANT has been
known for years... at least since the Korean Police Action. Try
MacNeils "Plagues and Peoples" for an excellent work on one of
the least recognised driving forces behind history.
Message: #227052, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 10:48:04 AM
Subject: sex
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Well, was Patrick embarassed? That is the question....
and Bob, about sex on the couch....you need to use your hands
for writing and not fondling little grey, swiveled up creatures
from unmentional dimensions.
Nancy
Message: #227088, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 1:05:24 PM
Subject: #226968-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Lumir Janku 72274,376 (received)
Reply: #227110 (1 reply)
I do. But you wouldn't be interested in my Long John Clinton.
Message: #227110, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 1:47:01 PM
Subject: #227088-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Lumir Janku 72274,376
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
>But you wouldn't be interested in my Long John Clinton.
Hey, Bob, very much so, even if I live in the "Great White
North" (Actually I haven't seen snow this year in Vancouver).
:-)
Lumir
Message: #227090, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 1:08:01 PM
Subject: #227063-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375
In my book on comment on the swine flu as a 'harvest period'.
The death count was 20 million world wide. Actually rather small
when you start talking Armageddon milleau. The black plague
(1396) bagged 100 million.
Bob
Message: #227173, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 5:16:28 PM
Subject: sex
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
HA.....I'll bet they do.
Nancy
Message: #227342, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 2:10:07 AM
Subject: #227090-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #227348 (3 replies)
As a counterbalance to the Prophets Of Doom and their plagues,
pestilence and pessimism, the odd imminent shaker like the Big
One Coming To California and, of course, the arriving Armageddon
as the master stroke of the malevolent millennium, let's instead
look at the brighter side of unfolding Ufology:
1. Arriving Nordics as the bad guys will finally stop the sales
of Barbies to prepubescent princesses and, in the process,
permanently pound the artificial stereotype of female beauty
into something more natural, more realistic and less-paranoia
producing amongst the lovely ladies less endowed. Brunettes
arise!
2. Bedroom plundering Greys with their paralysis probes will be
abducting amok amongst the populace but New Age stores will
capitalize on the commercial craze these little monsters will
generate with a whole new line of Anti-Zeta Reticulan Amulets,
abduction-proof electrified pajamas, implant dissolving herbal
concoctions and PTSD pills made from natural Earth ingredients.
Kids will be sold toy Greys to wreck.
3. The fear of virulent viruses and air-borne bacteria will make
gas and surgical masks the new de rigeur fashion statement for
Yuppies and Yahoos worldwide. Lipstick sales will dry up, the
gloss will fade from cosmetic consumption and toothpaste and
floss will fail financially. The new money maker will be
Parisien parades of creative designer Masks. Former T-shirt
artists will slap slogans on the muzzles and craft hand made
jewelry to hang thereupon and hawk to the hordes. Mask-muffled
muttering will be a new language and, then, a music
mega-movement!
4. Anti-earthquake shoes with suction cups will begin another
fashion trend. Stabilizing velcro straps for furnishings will
decorate all the trend-setter decors. Bungy-cords will be worn
as belts with large grappling hooks (to toss and secure to
anything stable) will be worn around our waists. Trampolines
will replace beds! Cars will be fitted with octupus-like arms as
sticky emergency accessories and the air-bag will be passe'! The
possibilities to cash in on population panic will create
millionnaires amongst we, the Doomed!
So, let your wild imagines loose - as loose as my unhinged mind
here - and have fun with the ill-fated future facing us all!
8-} Pete
Message: #227278, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, May 13, 1994 11:10:19 PM
Subject: #226967-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #227321 (1 reply)
Westbrook,
> The cure for the Hanta virus (found in rat droppings) is a
CAT.
I agree with you that the best cure for Hanta virus (mouse urine
vector) is a cat. BUT, here in New Mexico, the Black Death
Plague capital of the US, cats are a known vector for bubonic
plague and cat owner's are advised to keep their cats indoors.
In other words, you can't win for losing!
I have a cat, which I allow free reign of the neighborhood. The
cat has to avoid the dogs, the coyotes, the owls and still
survive the night. I don't know how the cat does it, but he
shows up every morning at dawn with mouse breath. He even leaves
little mouse heads for the dogs on the front steps. The dogs
just snack them up when I let them out in the morning.
I figure if I get Hanta virus or the Plague I'll either survive
or die. Life goes on.
Sara
Message: #227321, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 1:24:03 AM
Subject: #227278-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
Sara:
I had such a country cat that allowed me to move into his
vacant house in Tucson. To be sure, the survive the coyotes
takes a smarter than the average cat. Mine liked rabbits, birds
and, of course rodents - although he didn't leave the heads but
the entrails, which "I" had to clean up. It was a rare occasion
he returned home whining for food, but about once a month he'd
roll in screaming about how bad the hunting had been.
R U saying that the bubonic flea rides with the cat? This is the
first I've ever heard of this.
Bob
Message: #227320, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 1:19:09 AM
Subject: #227173-sex
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
Nancy
Only one way to find out for sure. Bob
Message: #227509, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 10:37:31 AM
Subject: #226944-God is an Alien?
From: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #227530 (1 reply)
<>
Well, "Bob", that's a relief! Here I thought you were some
crackpot, woman hating fa@... who attempts to derive some sick
pleasure by taunting people via keyboard... you know the type...
not a real man at all... or maybe just an author... with a
different name even? Go Figure.
Sooo sorry, my mistake, you really DO understand the "important"
things in life :), pardon me while I go polish my nails...
Linda.
Message: #227576, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 1:20:15 PM
Subject: #227320-sex
From: Nancy H. Donaldson 73323,2366
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Yo have the wrong lady....please contact Madonna or Sher, or
some other Bimbo on
estrogen pills....
Nancy
Message: #227828, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 9:24:09 PM
Subject: #227342-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
Brunettes arise!
> Blondes may have more fun but brunettes get the job done.
Kids will be sold toy Greys to wreck.
> Not very sensitive of you. I take it you're not a 90's kind
of
guy.
Mask-muffled muttering will be a new language and, then, a music
mega-movement!
> Definitely not going to do much for spontaneous sexual
aberrations.
The possibilities to cash in on population panic will create
millionnaires amongst we, the Doomed!
> Money seems a little passe in your scenario - I'd opt for a
case
of barbque sauce and a six pack.
Message: #227848, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 10:18:06 PM
Subject: #227321-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
> R U saying that the bubonic flea rides with the cat?
I believe that the cats actually get the plague from the fleas
on the mice, rats, prairie dogs, chipmunks or whatever. There
were a couple of cases of feline plague in my immediate vicinity
last summer. Apparently a sick cat can then transmit the plague
to humans by coughing and sneezing.
Sara
Message: #227935, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 15, 1994 2:11:14 AM
Subject: #227848-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
The historical opinion is that the cat was the cure to the
plague. However, the supersition of the moment was that the cat
caused the plague. Therefore, we killed the only creature that
could have reduced the effects. Can you direct me to a reference
on the subject?
Bob
Message: #228354, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, May 15, 1994 11:22:05 PM
Subject: #228107-VANISHING TWINS
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Shannon and Sara
I read with interest your bit on the vanishing twins. I have
zip on
the subject but thought it would make an interesting footnote
that my
son was born to a woman judged to be sterile. One of those
interesting
little coincidences.
Bob
Message: #228454, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 7:54:04 AM
Subject: #227090-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375
To: westbrook 71705,262
I would purely love to see certified -- or at least refereed --
demographics on either of those numbers.
Message: #228408, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 1:53:06 AM
Subject: #226967-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob
>>The cure for the Hanta virus (found in rat droppings) is a
CAT. If you're in a position to get and keep at least one of
these critters - it wouldn't be a bad idea - AND he should be an
outdoor cat so he can do his hunting. Male of the species is
recommended. Best hunters aren't neutered. Have to keep those
aggressive male hormones on the job ladies.<<
If you lived in my country you would be aware that we have huge
problems with feral cats destroying the natural fauna. Some of
these cats can grow to giant proportions compared with the
normal household moggy from which they originally came. What's
my message? Simply this; if you care for the environment and
your native fauna forget the cats. Keeping a clean house will
also help deter rats (no food no rats). If you must keep a cat,
please get it sterilized and make sure it is kept inside at
night.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cat hater. I had a great cat that
only died last year at the age of 15 years. However, I won't get
another cat as I don't believe he could be that easily replaced.
Stuart
Message: #228556, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 2:55:16 PM
Subject: #228454-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375 (received)
Reply: #228617 (1 reply)
Rick
Which numbers are you referring to?
Bob
Message: #228617, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 5:01:03 PM
Subject: #228556-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Firm mortaility/morbidity data on The Great Plague and
Influenza Pandemic.
FWIW, I went to scholl with a Richard Westbrook. Kin, perhaps?
Cordially,
Rick/CT
Message: #228554, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 2:55:10 PM
Subject: #228408-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
Message: #228555, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 2:55:13 PM
Subject: #228408-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
Stuart:
I've owned cats for many years. I don't which country you hail
from,
but the only real problem I've ever seen with cats is the fact
they
dig a hole to bury their droppings. From my vantage point this
is
a plus.
However, we have a critter here, California, called a tree rat.
They
hang out in the trees and walk the power lines. Keeping a clean
house
isn't going to remove their droppings from your yard. If you
never go
in the yard you have no risk of inhaling the virus. However,
most people
don't care to be house bound.
If you cats are the size of lions - I can see your objection.
Bob
Message: #228665, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 6:13:24 PM
Subject: #228617-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375
Rick:
The numbers on the plague and swine flu come to you from
Colliers
and Britannica Encylopeidas.
Bob
Message: #228675, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 16, 1994 6:44:24 PM
Subject: Experiment
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: All
To all those who believe or know they are abductees:
I'd like you to partake in a simple experiment to prove or
disprove the idea that there is a collective subconsious mind at
work with and between abductees.
It is a very simple matter and confidentiality is assured. The
results of the effort will be shared with all minus the
identities of the contributors.
Please contact me in email.
Bob
Message: #228959, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 17, 1994 10:03:17 AM
Subject: #228665-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Rick De Lotto 72662,1375
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Thanks... try MacNeils "Plagues and Peoples" for an excellent
discussion of these subjects. "poisons of the Past" (forgot the
author, but it is newish) is a powerful discussion of the role
funguses have played in history.
Cordially---
Rick/CT
Message: #228870, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 17, 1994 1:13:26 AM
Subject: #228555-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #228985 (2 replies)
>>However, we have a critter here, California, called a tree
rat.<<
Bob
We have possums that also hang out in trees, roofs and such.
Yes, they can be a problem and I understand your point; what
concerns me is that if these rats of yours are native to your
region, then you are advocating the introduction of an exotic
creature to reduce the presence of native fauna. Sure, the cats
will kill the rats but they will also wreak havoc on native bird
populations and other small mammals.
We here in Australia certainly shouldn't preach to others as our
record as protectors of native species has been appalling.
Others though can learn from our mistakes and one of those
mistakes was the introduction of the cat who along with the fox
(also introduced) is decimating our native wildlife.
Stuart
Message: #228995, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 17, 1994 11:48:19 AM
Subject: #228870-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Stuart Nicholson 76702,2042
Stuart:
I can understand that as an Australian, your history with the
bunny
rabbit has been devasting. However, for us cat's aren't exotic
creatures.
We tend to view them as part of the food chain. We even have
dogs that
go after cats. At the top of the chain we have humans. The only
ones
going after us are liberal Democrats and ufos. Go figure.
Bob
Message: #229270, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 17, 1994 11:46:20 PM
Subject: #228995-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #229275 (1 reply)
Bob,
In todays Albuquerque Journal (Tuesday, May 17, 1994) there is
a story about bubonic plague in cats. It says that this is the
third cat to get the plague this year and that the cat probably
contracted the plague by eating an infected rodent. The case
occured north of Santa Fe in Santa Fe county and officials are
trapping rodents to determine the source of the infection. The
cat will probably survive as it is being treated with
anti-biotics. The other two case of feline plague were in
Bernalillo County which is near Albuquerque. It goes on to say
that cats can transmit the plague to humans by draining
abscesses (YUCK!), by biting or scratching or by coughing if the
plague bacteria has infected the cat's lungs.
I am also planning on speaking with a veterinarian to find out
exactly how the cat vectors this disease. I'll also ask to see
if he can recommend some source material on this subject.
Sara A.
Message: #229275, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 17, 1994 11:55:17 PM
Subject: #229270-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
Sara:
Bummer....
R U in New Mexico?
Bob
Message: #229391, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 18, 1994 8:35:17 AM
Subject: #228995-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
> R U in New Mexico?
Yep!
I'm the one with the roaming midnight tomcat that leaves little
mousie head presents for the doggies.
And I am making every effort to avoid Hanta virus and the
plague. I know I don't have a mouse problem in the house. There
are lots of mice out of doors, theirs heads bear mute testimonty
to their numbers. There are also prarie dogs, which are known
plague flea carriers, and chipmunks, marmots etc. The greatest
danger of plague comes from the prarie dog population and the
greatest Hanta virus plague from deer mice which are scarce in
this neck of the woods. We haven't had any Hanta virus around
Taos which is where I live, but there have been some in the
Albuquerque area which is about 140 miles away.
The plague that really bothers me is the Taos Hum, which has
been particularly intrusive recently. BTW, the hum is continuous
and varies in perceived intensity from time to time.
Sara
Message: #229392, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 18, 1994 8:35:19 AM
Subject: #228995-ufo/virus/armageddon
From: Sara T. Allen 72164,3606
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
> The only ones going after us are liberal Democrats and ufos.
Hee hee hee hee! Liberal Demos, now THATs a plague!
Sara
Message: #229701, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, May 18, 1994 9:35:01 PM
Subject: #228675-Experiment
From: karen Brown 74223,541
To: westbrook 71705,262
I'm game.
Message: #227826, S/2 Community Square
Date: Sat, May 14, 1994 9:09:11 PM
Subject: #227509-God is an Alien?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
Linda:
Well delivered sarcasim. I particularly enjoyed the veiled
reference to my manhood and sexual orientation. Bravo!
I'd rather be friends though. Unless you're one of those man
hating feminazis - you know the type - the ones who derive
pleasure at the keyboard?
I think I'll go paint my toenails now.
Bob
Message: #235369, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, May 30, 1994 7:51:05 PM
Subject: Ruth
From: Michael K Weise 100276,1741
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #235410 (1 reply)
Bob,
Come to think of it, you may well be right about Ruth: What she
has told me over quite a few messages has not been very
consistent.
Still, AFAIC it's in dubio pro reo.
>> I'd be willing to help any one at no cost.
>> I'm a private investigator
Excuse my curiosity, but: how do you manage to make a living, if
your job consists of helping people at no cost?
Anyway, it seems you would be the right person to ask to explain
to me a few points about phone tapping: I have lately been
experiencing many weird phenomena with my phone, which have
convinced me that it's most probably being tapped at least
sometimes. Do you know of a means I could use to know exactly
when my phone is being tapped and when it isn't?
Frequent phenomena I experience include sudden, drastic changes
in the transmission volume as well as the phone ringing but an
immediate dial tone when it's picked up.
I have been told that if someone is tapping my phone and I
notice it, this means that either they are using amateur
equipment, or they want me to notice. Any ideas on that?
TIA,
Michael
Message: #235494, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 31, 1994 1:07:26 AM
Subject: #235369-Ruth
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael K Weise 100276,1741
Michael:
In answer to your questions.
1. I would not charge anyone for help on the subject of ufo's or
abductions. Obviously, I do charge for services or I wouldn't
be able to feed my face.
2. The purpose of my Ruth post was not to villify the person but
to
notice others that they may wish to think twice before
sharing
personal information with her.
3. What I really think about the woman - has been said to her
face.
Re: Phone tapping.
People do not tape phones without a reason. Do you have a reason
that
someone would find your communications of interest?
a. You'll never notice a legal tap. It's done at the phone
company
as the result of a search warrant or other court order.
b. Amatuer equipment produces better results than the ones you
describe.
c. The easiest way to tap a line is at the box on the back of
the house.
There a pair of allegator clips and a small fm transmitter
would
be found. Within a 1/4 mile radius the receiver and a voice
activated
taped recorder would be stashed.
d. No private party would attempt to tap in at the junction box
down the
street.
e. Alternatives are small fm xmiters in the phone set itself.
It means
the person has access to your house.
f. Another alternative is that you're unnecessarily paranoid.
g. Or the copper wire in your area is in decay. These cables
should
last a couple of decades. More if the weather conditions are
ideal.
h. There is a fault at the trunk resulting in bad connections.
i. Gripe at the telco and see if there's an improvement.
j. If none of these things produce satisfaction, contact a PI
who has
experience with the subject. He'll sweep your house and check
for
evidence.
Bob
Message: #235620, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 31, 1994 10:34:11 AM
Subject: #235494-Ruth
From: Larry Keber 76356,31
To: westbrook 71705,262
About the phone tapping: I know of a couple of methods of
turning the phone into a bug (to transmit conversations held
within hearing range of it to somewhere else) which entails
calling the phone #, getting someone there to answer it, then
when the phone is hung(hanged?) up the line stays open. I
believe that one wouldn't get the dial tone upon picking up the
phone if this were done, however, but I'm no expert, just
someone who's read a couple of books on spy/espionage
techniques. Also it requires modification to be done to the
phone itself.
Larry
Message: #235707, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, May 31, 1994 2:39:19 PM
Subject: #235620-Ruth
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Larry Keber 76356,31 (received)
Larry:
I'll be honest - wiretapping is not one of my favorite subjects.
Message: #236310, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 1, 1994 4:05:09 PM
Subject: #235494-Ruth
From: Michael K Weise 100276,1741
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> I do charge for services or I wouldn't be able to feed my
face.
Sounds very reasonable -- that was what I was wondering
about.
>> purpose of my Ruth post was not to vilify the person
OK -- let's leave it at that.
Thanks for the info re: phone tapping.
>> Another alternative is that you're unnecessarily paranoid.
>> Amateur equipment produces better results than the ones you
>> describe.
This makes it seem most likely that someone is trying to scare
me -- which is what I had already suspected.
>> People do not tape phones without a reason. Do you have a
reason that
>> someone would find your communications of interest?
I've been wondering about the reason. Thing is, the phenomena I
described started just a few weeks after I began frequenting the
UFO section of NEWAGE. And I know of *many* others on this
forum, who report similar things happening with their phones.
Michael
Message: #236660, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 2, 1994 3:32:06 AM
Subject: #236310-Ruth
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael K Weise 100276,1741
Michael:
If u suspect you're being screwed with by ufos - the usual
questions arise. 1. R U now or have you ever been abducted? 2.
If you don't know - do you have reason to suspect? 3. Do you
wake up in the morning with cuts, scratches or nicks you didn't
go to bed with? 4. Have u noticed unusual growth in your
fingernails. 5. Do you a period of 'missing time' somewhere in
your life. 6. Do you suffer from any mental illness or is there
a history of illness
in your family. 7. What is your racial background? 8. Do you
have dreams of future events that ALWAYS come true. 9. Where do
you live?
Bob
Message: #239298, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 7, 1994 6:46:20 PM
Subject: Come To Newage..
From: Sunny 73171,626
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Hi...Yes...I want on all mailing lists, and I guess I am
officially "out of the (broom) closet" now...and an abductee.
Please read my letter very carefully. I am definately scolding
you...and you need it! This is too important, to allow anything
to impeed progress. Perhaps, you will also see...that I am not
afraid to speak my mind, and will do so with something I deserve
as well, Bob...Respect.
I'm here...or you can call me...808-676-7932...and can call
collect...to let me know when you will be online...
What is the best time to reach you at your private nujber...
I will figure out this Sapphire...and be online in no time!
Waiting for you in NewAge...
AngelFish!
Message: #239866, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 8, 1994 9:25:21 PM
Subject: Killing Grays
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Lunar Beam 72774,3077 (received)
Reply: #239904 (3 replies)
Lunar:
Grays are easily killed. Were it not for their tech toys, we' be
able
to dispense with them easily. During an abduction, I kicked one
in the
face and punched out another before I was swarmed by a herd of
the
little buggers.
Their bones are hollow and the have no stamina to physical
violence.
My blows would not have killed a human - yet the Grays just
dropped
like a load of cold manure.
Nordics, on the other hand, are human and much more difficult to
deal
with.
Bob
Message: #239904, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 8, 1994 9:56:07 PM
Subject: #239866-Killing Grays
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #239925 (1 reply)
Sigourney Weaver eat your heart out...
Message: #239925, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 8, 1994 10:38:08 PM
Subject: #239904-Killing Grays
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
Nah - Ripley still holds the record. Acid spitters are much
harder
to blitz than Grays. I bow to the superior hunter.
As a matter of trivia, the little gray buggers smell like 3 day
old
urine.
Bob
Message: #239965, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 12:16:02 AM
Subject: #239866-Killing Grays
From: KANO 72774,3077
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Are you a survivor of multiple abductions?
I'm sure that a semi-auto pistol would take care of an entire
ship-load.
KANO
Message: #239982, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 12:59:22 AM
Subject: #239866-Killing Grays
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #240006 (2 replies)
<>
Ya, you betcha, especially us "Norveegins" from Minnesoota... :)
bye... linda SORENSON, and proud of it!
Message: #240401, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 9:16:22 PM
Subject: #240316-Killing Grays
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Linda Sorenson 75040,3433
Ya LinDA
I have a particular fondness of the cute little blonde Nordic
females
myself
Bob
Message: #240200, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 3:59:03 PM
Subject: #240012-Abduction Defense
From: KANO 72774,3077
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Just out of curiosity, why are you sending mail to me that's
addressed to Lunar Beam? I am KANO. My UID is 72774,3077.
KANO
Message: #240204, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 4:16:04 PM
Subject: #240012-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #240260 (1 reply)
What evidence have you accumulated for the existence of this
Grey other than your own direct observations and experiences?
Photos? Video? Tape recordings? Intruder detection systems?
-- Anthony
Message: #240260, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 6:23:01 PM
Subject: #240204-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Anthony 73064,2766
Reply: #240291 (1 reply)
Anthony:
The evidence for the existance of the Gray is myriad. Carvings
and
and icons of the Gray appear in many cultures from ancient
times.
However, in recent history, we have the reports of thousands of
people
who have had encounters with them. Traditionally debunkers now
attack
the credibility of the witnesses ignoring that the first rule of
the
scientific method IS naturalistic observation. You know very
well that
no one has ever video taped a Gray. I'm afraid this is the kind
of thing
that "You just have to be there".
Fortunately, I'm not in the belief business. If I were, I'd
start
a religion and get rich in the process. My comments are
addressed to
those WHO HAVE been there.
If you wish to establish proofs for yourself, your sole tool
is
logic. Doors do not slam by themselves. Floors do not
reverberate unless
some an energy is expended against it. The edge of my bed does
not
raise and lower itself unless some force is being exercised
against
it.
Bob
Message: #240291, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 6:54:20 PM
Subject: #240260-Abduction Defense
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #240400 (1 reply)
>> My comments are addressed to those who have been there
.. and hope fully those who might be interested in learning
from your experience. If the body of literature is correct, this
will become an increasingly common occurance. dlk
Message: #240400, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 9:16:20 PM
Subject: #240291-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
I've noted, based on my own personal experience, there are
several
distinct stages of discovery involved with being an abductee.
The
first is recognition of the fact that it has, in fact, occured.
The subconsciousmind is perhaps one of the best friends we have.
It
discloses the truth to us in a form and manner that is
guaranteed not
to blow our mental circuits. First through dreams, uneasy
feelings,
unexplained paranoia and related - but not necessarily explicit
imagery.
As we begin to accept that we are victims, the mind starts
cleaning
up the images - getting rid of the metaphorical safety nets and
letting
us see these things as we really remember them.
At each step of the way we run into a constant - fear. It
increases
as we continue digging for the truth. This, I believe, is a
programmed
response to keep us away from the core of the matter.
Then an amazing thing can occur. While we have been mentally
'sedated'
and rendered unconscious - we can transfer control to our
subconscious mind, become alert and defend ourselves. It appears
that we can xfer
voluntary functions to an area of the brain that does not
normally
handle them.
When this happens and we 'get loose' (their term) we have now
become
much more dangerous to them. Including myself, I've found one
other
person who has done this. Both of us have become the focus of
intense
surveillance. Both of us have moving objects in the house. Both
of us
have seen them. In the past, both have awakened naked when we
should
have been clothed or, in her case, her shirt on backwards. All
these
facts - lead to the present conclusion of abduction as there is
no
other logical possibility.
On 2/25 I traveled to Houston and spent the weekend with Derrel
sims,
who specializes in abductee hypnosis. I returned on 2/27. That
night
I was picked up and again the following night. In both cases,
they
didn't get what they wanted from me. I had already developed the
ability
to transfer control to my subconscious. Derrel reinforced with
the
post hypnotic suggestion. At my request, he implanted the
suggestion
that I play possum in my subconscious and to pick my moment.
Then to
come up nuclear. He has planted other time bombs in the minds of
other
willing abductees. What did they want from me? Info on Derrel.
They
didn't get it. The levels of fear involved in getting myself to
Houston
can not be described as anything but terror times ten. I
recognized
this and chose to impose my will over the blind animal panic
triggered
in me.
At each step of the discovery process, I have constantly run
into the
fear wall although I am, by nature, not a fearful person.
Usually, it
is others who fear me.
I had the parts for constructing the bed shield for a couple of
weeks
before I actually did it. I procrastinated and that too, is not
my
nature. Finally, I forced myself to do it.
The result has been POSITIVE. The little bugger is no longer
here.
This simple device neutralizes their ability to abduct a person
AND remain risk free while they do it.
As for this becoming an increasing problem. No. It has always
been
a problem of very large proportions. The only thing that has
changed
is our awareness of it.
Bob
Message: #240223, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 5:14:01 PM
Subject: #240012-Abduction Defense
From: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #240261 (1 reply)
Way to go! Bob I am proud of you and George. I will have to
try the cage thing, though how do you keep them from pulling the
plug? Any additional information that you & George come up with
would be manna from heaven.
Thanks,
Steve
Message: #240261, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 6:23:03 PM
Subject: #240223-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Steve Quinn 70252,3563 (received)
Reply: #240418 (1 reply)
Steve:
When you hang the wire, leave yourself sufficient lead so you
can a:
reach the plug and b: tuck it up against the wall.
I took me about 45 minutes of screwing up before I got the wire
down
right. A tip is to start at a corner hook from the middle of the
cable
and not from an end. This will make it a lot easier to work
with.
Bob
Message: #240418, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 1994 10:03:06 PM
Subject: #240261-Abduction Defense
From: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob:
Thanks for the tips! You & George keep up the good work.
Message: #240657, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 1994 3:44:27 PM
Subject: #240006-Killing Grays
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Hiya Bob.
<
As a hypnotist in the L.A. area, I had enough encounter with the
subject to make me want to run screaming from the entire genre
of idea -- running, of course, while laughing. And yet... now
that I'm in the middle of all this myself, and of course sanity
becomes a pretty dominant subject , I see it a bit
differently. And I'm able to look back on my life, all the way
to being a small child, and see things in a new light; "dreams,"
experiences, etc.
<< Out of curiousity, what did they do to the guy who punched
out
<< the alien?
I dunno. Nothing at the time, but later.
<< Also, did the two of you introduce yourselves or have any
<< conversation.
Me and the human guy? No, I was really ticked off at him, and I
nearly decked him myself. I had been sitting in this "cell"
with him and he'd been sleeping for what seemed like a thousand
years, I'd tried to wake him up but it never worked. Finally I
couldn't stand it any more and I went to tell the person - who
was an alien, but looked like a female human - that was sort of
the "warden" that I was losing my mind, and that they had to
either do something with me or kill me because I couldn't stand
just doing nothing for eternity. Just as I was having a decent
conversation with the "warden," this guy finally wakes up and
starts babbling all over the place and asking questions
hysterically and would NOT shut up long enough for me to have a
decent conversation.
Eventually the male "human whom I knew was an alien" and the
male human who had been in the cell with me were -- well it's
easier to just describe what I saw because I have no idea what
the hell it actually WAS:
There were a few "porthole" type things on the wall, and I could
see each of them behind one, and the cubicles they were in were
filling with this like, blue gel of some kind. The human was
motionless; I thought he was drowned. The alien guy was doing
this weird breathing motion; I thought maybe he was crying. That
was the last I saw of them.
(Sidenote: since this time, I've had two separate "dreams" where
other
humans got into some kind of cubicle (or in one case, like a
coffin) that was filled with some sort of gel or another, and
they breathed it. I've gotten the feeling this is deliberate,
like deep sea divers breathe liquid (it can be done, the right
kind) to keep them from being killed by the pressure and other
unusual conditions. Perhaps this is a means of transport. I
think I misinterpreted it during the experience. )
<
I should mention that nearly all my encounters see them as
human, assuming I "see" them at all. And as children,
sometimes. I guess I haven't gotten past the "guising" yet.
Lately I've begun to see them as "actors" (beings who aren't
what they seem); this is sort of my subconscious recognition.
I'm still working on getting fully aware.
Since my development in personal consciousness is somewhat
unusually developed (ie, I lucid dreamed at will my entire life,
and studied hypnosis for years), for awhile, when things were
"not quite tangible," I was able to actually "yank myself back
here," as if somehow "me" and "my body" were slightly separate
things. (This always seemed VERY hard, and shocked the **** out
of them.)
Can't do it anymore.
PJ
Message: #240668, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 1994 4:24:27 PM
Subject: #240659-Killing Grays
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
PJ:
You know more than you think you know. You just haven't put it
all
together yet. When confronted with the unbelievable, the mind
provides
rationalizations and imagery to explain what you are seeing. It
converts the unreal into something something understandable.
I live in LA too. Call me at 818-772-6082. I'll let you download
a full copy of my book. You'll find it useful.
Bob
Message: #240684, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 1994 4:53:27 PM
Subject: #239866-Killing Grays
From: Starflower 73664,2411
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob:
Do you know any Nordics personally?
Is that just a random statement?
Is the sky yellow?
Is it June?
Am i real?
Do you lucid dream counting crows?
Do you like Meat Loaf?
Your grey trap, any success?
See, I have the questions.
Lunar>
Message: #240656, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 1994 3:41:17 PM
Subject: Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Angelfish 73171,626
I am posting this as an example of what can be done to defend
against
Grays. Angelfish and I were in a conversation on cis when we
both
had Grays to deal with. Angel and I are 'connected' and of
interest
to the bad guys. The reasons for this I won't discuss. They
can't
get at me anymore and they were going after her in the hope of
getting
information. She lives in an isolated area of Hawaii - me in Los
Angeles.
I've cleaned up the language so the thought police here at cis
don't
have a fit.
Angel was planning on putting up my shield on Saturday. Needless
to say,
she's going to get it up sooner. Where is lives is within a few
miles
of a ufo base. She is, essentially, living in spook central.
YOU CAN FIGHT!!!
westbrook: the f..king gray is back
AngelFish: no...
| there is something looking at me, Bob...I can feel
it..
| I feel a stare..drilling into me...
westbrook: i heard the thump on the roof - but thought it might
be the
| building cooling from the day's heat. I can feel it in
the
| bedroom.
AngelFish: and I won't turn around...
westbrook: yeah - they know we're talking.
AngelFish: the cats kno
| F..K
| THE SECURITY LIGHT JUST WENT ON...
westbrook: I always look - I need to confront the fear
| ok - got a gun?
AngelFish: thew security LIGH WENT ON...
| NO
westbrook: wake your husband up.
| NOW
AngelFish: the cats just knocked the table over,.,he didn't even
stir!
westbrook: wake him up if you can
AngelFish: Bob...he won;'t wake up...
| he;'s snoring his head off.
westbrook: dump some water on him if you have to
AngelFish: he won;'t wake up..
westbrook: water
AngelFish: Bob..
westbrook: YES
AngelFish: something's here
| on the roof
westbrook: get a knife to defend yourself
| theres more than one
AngelFish: light just came through the bedroom window...
| the light wasn't there before...something
westbrook: get the f..king knife NOW
AngelFish: was blocking it before...
| waitthere's noise outside...
westbrook: GET THE F..KING KNIFE
AngelFish: i cana't move from here.
westbrook: THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THE HOUSE
| FORCE YOURSELF - USE YOUR INTELLECT
| YOU ARE STRONGER THAN THEM
| YOUR FEAR IS PARALIZING YOU
AngelFish: THE CATS LEFT THE ROOM
westbrook: MOVE IT GIRL
| GET THE KNIFE
| GO
| GO
AngelFish: no
| it's
| alright
| ok
| wait...
| brbr
| all closed up
westbrook: what is
AngelFish: this is really f..ked...
westbrook: u ok?
AngelFish: doors to all rooms
| we're in the living room
| that's where the computers are...
westbrook: and he can't wake up?
AngelFish: two of the four, anyway...
| no
| that's not like him
westbrook: got the knife?
AngelFish: I CALLED HIM NAME
| AND HE'S NPT MOVING
westbrook: did u touch him
AngelFish: yes
westbrook: shake him
AngelFish: nothing
| snoring...
westbrook: try the water
AngelFish: wait...
| chewing on nuts...trying to focus,,.
| he's totally disoriented
westbrook: ok - he's up?
AngelFish: no...asleep...
westbrook: did you hit him with the water?
AngelFish: his eyes didn't even focus...
| nothing to drink, or anything...
| just sound asleep...
westbrook: ok - i'll stay with you
| got the knife?
AngelFish: yes
westbrook: ok do you have something you can put over the back of
your
| neck?
| something thick
AngelFish: I didn't move any fans...but the ceiling fan started
| turning...on it's own
westbrook: the ship is on the ground - north side of the house.
| they are physically there
AngelFish: my digi-clocks just zeroed
westbrook: the ship blitzed the power supplies
AngelFish: get me the f..k outta here
westbrook: did you hit him with some water
| answer yes of no
AngelFish: the power seems fine...
| this screen didn't even flicker...
westbrook: your clocks are lower power settings.
AngelFish: but the clocks are all flashing
westbrook: easier to trip
| did you hit your husband with the water answer me.
AngelFish: oh, but this does suck...
| I wiped his face...
| no I didn't hit him with it...
westbrook: ok
| what r they going to do - think bob
AngelFish: he didn't even notice when the table went down
westbrook: listen - u have to stay in where you can 'feel' them
coming up
| from
AngelFish: they qre not going to take me anywhere.
| f..k 'em
westbrook: behind you. the always like to blind side us.
| good girl
AngelFish: my back is to a window...
| not any more...
westbrook: they put a small circular metal thing on your neck
and it
| knocks u out.
| U have to do this strictly on instinct
AngelFish: oh...that's what that "hicky" is...
westbrook: hinky?
AngelFish: hicky...
westbrook: oh - okay you under stand
| you're alert - that's one against them.
AngelFish: looks like a love bite...
westbrook: that knife makes u dangerous - one or more of them
could get
| killed.
| They like to swarm u.
AngelFish: got that last week...when I woke up without my
| panties...and my T-shirt backwards
westbrook: All four at the same time coming from behind.
AngelFish: I feel them...u r right
westbrook: They are doing us simultaneiously
| if you see them, don't hesittate.
| attack immediately.
AngelFish: looks like we might meet, sooner that we thought!
westbrook: no - these are not from the good guys.
| Derrel had eight people picked up for interrogation at
the same
| time.
AngelFish: i know...
| i smell them, Bob...
| I can smell them
westbrook: they do this when they freak and know they'r out of
control.
| there's six of them total and one nordic on the ship.
AngelFish: it's like their sweat glands..
westbrook: like stale p*ss
AngelFish: they stink
| how do you know what's here?
westbrook: do you have any extension cord handy
| what do u mean.
AngelFish: how do you know...I'm wrapping the computer cords...
| already doind it...
| soibds like something growled...
westbrook: don't restrict your move ment.
AngelFish: no way.
westbrook: that's a grey - he's p*ssed - mine growled at me the
night I
| put up the
| shield
AngelFish: I put the other cpu between me and the window,
westbrook: good. Get some wiring around your body. This will
force them to
AngelFish: and I'm sitting on bernard
westbrook: physically materialize if they want to snatch you.
AngelFish: putting wire around us
westbrook: Give u a chance to kill em.
AngelFish: Nintnedo tv has long witrres..
westbrook: kill them
| ok do it
AngelFish: turned it opn...wrapping wire, as i typre
westbrook: focus on your neck
AngelFish: send me a picture, at once.
| I have to have a face to focus on
| are you sure you're white,
| not gray
westbrook: looks like we're going to be up all night
| Actually - I'm pink
AngelFish: Bob...I feel a "quiet"...
| too calm...
westbrook: ok - they weren't expecting this
| they thought it would be a cake walk
| they're rethink whether they should go in
AngelFish: wrong...
westbrook: ok - what's your angle.
AngelFish: dog's growling at door and window...
westbrook: u have a dog?
AngelFish: two
westbrook: good
| he's defending?
| use his instinct - he see's them
AngelFish: the Rottie is going nuts
westbrook: good - keep them near you
| i didn't know u had dogs
AngelFish: I have a champion line Rottie...
| 18 best in shows in his line
westbrook: use his instincts. The odds have just gotten better.
6 to 3.
AngelFish: and a terrier, chi-mix...
| she weighs 5 lbs...
| and runs the house!
| she's the defender
westbrook: they're loyal.
AngelFish: her hair along her spine is up
westbrook: they'll go down fighting with u.
AngelFish: and she won't leave my side
| her name is Yoda
westbrook: do you have a camera handy
AngelFish: yes...
westbrook: flash?
AngelFish: always, since we saw that ship in March...
| yes
| Captiva
westbrook: ok - get it
AngelFish: got it, first
westbrook: ok, the next time you feel something at the window,
turn
| around and
| click fast
| shoot from the hip.
AngelFish: ok
westbrook: is it autofocus?
AngelFish: yes
| it's open and ready
westbrook: ok - maybe we can get something here.
| good girl
| how u feeling
AngelFish: i hafta go to the bathroom...
| but i'm not...
| i hope
westbrook: good - i'd prefer you wait.
AngelFish: you'd prefer..
westbrook: we don't do time outs in the middle of battle for a
potty
| break.
AngelFish: I'm not leaving here...
| if it's not them...it's a burgler...
westbrook: good idea. You're in the only room of the house they
can't use
| beam
| on.
AngelFish: something's outside of this room
westbrook: In the house?
AngelFish: out
| north wall
| like you said
westbrook: what's yourphone number I'll call u voice
AngelFish: how'd you know?
| only one line
| ***-***-****
| should i call u?
westbrook: okay disconnect - I'll call u right back
| ok
AngelFish: 'k
Message: #240710, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 1994 6:31:20 PM
Subject: #240400-Abduction Defense
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I don't doubt that it has been a large scale operation. My
comment on the phenomena increasing in scale is based on the
assumption that they are returning in the near future in force
to reassert control over the population. "Winning the hearts and
minds" to borrow a phrase from another unsuccessful invasion in
recent memory. My personal feeling is that this is not about
covert control, but rather, indirect terrorism of a much larger
audience. Gotta admit, it is highly effective. Along with what
ever else is on the agenda.
My thoughts and prayers are with you, and the other lurking
members of this club
Message: #240871, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 1994 12:08:24 AM
Subject: #240260-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #240884 (3 replies)
>> Doors do not slam by themselves. Floors do
>> not reverberate unless some an energy is
>> expended against it. The edge of my bed does
>> not raise and lower itself unless some force
>> is being exercised against it.
Quite correct. That's why, if I see any of these things
happening, I assume that it is my perception/cerebration that
has gone haywire first, until and unless I see evidence that
what I saw actually occurred (something I can take a picture of,
something I can show to other people).
This is one reason why, if I ever see a UFO, I want to see it in
the company of lots of other people, who can provide external
evidence that the UFO was actually there by corroborating my
observations. It doesn't matter how real it looks--if there's
no residual evidence of its passage, and if no one else saw it,
I'll assume that I imagined it.
-- Anthony
Message: #240884, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 1994 12:59:04 AM
Subject: #240871-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Anthony 73064,2766 (received)
Reply: #241073 (1 reply)
Anthony:
The difference between us is that while you are willing to
accept that
you are not competitent to witness and event, I AM willing to
believe
my own lying eyes. Based on your criteria, you have constructed
a
scenario wherein you will never have to deal with the issues
EVEN
IF you to see one.
In answer to your question of do I have photos etc.
I submit your logic is faulty. I do not have photos of you. Ergo
you do not exist. Even if I DO sometime see you, unless it is in
the
company of witnesses who can verify the sighting I absolutely
won't
believe in your existence. It follows that it is unlikely I will
have
proof of your existence.
My question to you is this. Why do you think you feel this way?
Bob
Message: #241073, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 1994 1:02:16 PM
Subject: #240884-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #241194 (1 reply)
>> The difference between us is that while
>> you are willing to accept that you are
>> not competitent to witness and event, I
>> AM willing to believe my own lying eyes.
The difference between us is that I do not trust my
easily-deceived senses outside of fairly normal situations.
Statistically, if I see a little gray humanoid at the foot of my
bed, it is much more likely that I am hallucinating as part of
some transient mental disturbance than it is that the humanoid
is real. The number of people suffering from psychoses in the
world far outnumbers the number of people who claim to have been
abducted.
>> Based on your criteria, you have constructed a
>> scenario wherein you will never have to deal
>> with the issues EVEN IF you to see one.
I simply recognize that seeing a gray humanoid is not proof that
it exists, and conversely, the fact that it is possible to
imagine seeing a gray humanoid is not proof that any such
occurrence is hallucination rather than an objective
observation. However, statistically, hallucination is more
likely than real observation. For every person who may have
actually seen an ET, there are thousands who hallucinate that
they see and talk to ETs every day.
>> In answer to your question of do I have photos
>> etc.
Now that's much more interesting! What is visible in the
photos? Have you shown them to others? Have you ever
considered scanning them and uploading them here?
>> I submit your logic is faulty. I do not have
>> photos of you. Ergo you do not exist.
You cannot know that I actually exist, especially in cyberspace.
In fact, it is entirely possible that I myself am an ET,
deliberately testing you in your convictions. It's very easy to
do, you know. Of course, you will tend to believe that I am a
real human being in front of a PC, and not a computer simulation
or an ET, but that is only because you find the idea of me being
a real human being to be much more acceptable than the other two
possibilities, based on prior experience.
>> Even if I DO sometime see you, unless it is in the
>> company of witnesses who can verify the sighting
>> I absolutely won't believe in your existence.
That is your prerogative. I may be a figment of your
imagination. Note, however, that if I look like all other human
beings, logically you must either accept my reality, or question
your perception of all human beings. This is in contrast to
seeing an ET, which is very different from seeing human beings,
and thus questioning the observation of an ET does not require
questioning the observation of all human beings.
>> My question to you is this. Why do you think you
>> feel this way?
Because I am prudent, and I try to keep my own limits and
capabilities in perspective through continual analysis.
-- Anthony
Message: #241194, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 1994 4:32:02 PM
Subject: #241073-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Anthony 73064,2766
Anthony:
I think you missed my point. Using your premise, it is not
possible to
establish your own existence much less anyone else's.
I submit the following explanations for your belief structure.
1. You are an abductee.
2. All abductee's are told not to remember.
3. All are told that a belief in ufo's is a sign of mental
illness.
4. All are told that if they talk about it - people will believe
they
are crazy.
By way of a collorary issue, I will demonstrate approrpriate
logic
Near - Death Experiences.
1. Observation is part of the scientific method - therefore
acceptable.
2. When number X people consistantly see the same things over
and over
again, it establishes a statistical basis from which we may
infer
facts not obvious to the eye.
3. It falls to the scientist to screen his observers for proof
his
observers are or are not mentally ill.
Back to ufos and little gray men.
1. There are thousands of observers.
2. There is an enormous body of evidence wherein those observers
report
repetitiously the same events.
3. The observers are credible people who are devoid of
psychosis.
It follows that there is sufficient evidence to infer the
existence
of little Gray men and flying saucers. HOWEVER, inspite of the
evidence
we focus on the mental processes of people who are by any
standard
sane. As the debunker can not produce insane people, he then
turns to
other equally improbable AND UNPROVEABLE scenarios.
The bottom line for YOU to consider. Is it conceivable your
views
(which if you are objective you must admit are not logical) are
the
product of outside influence.
You seem able to construct a premise and to follow a logical
train of
thought. Mr. Spock would therefore infer that a person who IS
capable
of Logic but chooses not to apply it to a situation that can
only be
solved with logic - is behaving illogically. Ergo the source for
the
illogic need be found. In this instance, I submit that it comes
from
outside of you and is the product of post-abduction programming.
As a crowning example to support this premise, I further submit
one
very obvious fact - YOU ARE HERE!.
Bob
Message: #241976, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jun 12, 1994 10:07:31 PM
Subject: #241194-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #242026 (1 reply)
>> Using your premise, it is not possible to
>> establish your own existence much less anyone
>> else's.
I'm not trying to establish my own existence.
>> I submit the following explanations for your belief
>> structure.
>>
>> 1. You are an abductee.
>> 2. All abductee's are told not to remember.
>> 3. All are told that a belief in ufo's is a sign
>> of mental illness.
>> 4. All are told that if they talk about it - people
>> will believe they are crazy.
The problem is that a person with a psychoses who *imagines*
that he was abducted is indistinguishable from a person who
really *was* abducted, so long as everything depends on his own
testimony alone.
>> By way of a collorary issue, I will demonstrate
>> approrpriate logic Near - Death Experiences.
Except that in NDEs, people have obtained information via OOBEs
that they could not otherwise have obtained during their
clinical deaths, and they have also obtained other information
(on the future, on the status of relatives, etc.) in the same
way, and this information has been verified, which provides
evidence for the metaphysical reality of NDEs *outside* of the
the sole testimony of the person who has experienced them.
>> It follows that there is sufficient evidence
>> to infer the existence of little Gray men
>> and flying saucers.
I think that there is abundant evidence that UFOs exist. There
is far less evidence concerning their owners. And there is
virtually no evidence concerning abductions.
>> HOWEVER, inspite of the evidence we focus on
>> the mental processes of people who are by any
>> standard sane.
It is possible to suffer from a mental illness in some respects,
and yet still be perfectly normal in others. This is try even
for psychoses. In paranoid psychoses, the patient reasons quite
adequately, the only aberration being his premise, namely, that
a huge secret conspiracy is out to get him.
>> Is it conceivable your views (which if you are
>> objective you must admit are not logical) are the
>> product of outside influence.
My views are extraordinarily logical; logical thought is one of
my specialties.
>> You seem able to construct a premise and to follow
>> a logical train of thought.
I should hope so. A person claims to have been abducted. He
has no physical evidence, no witnesses, no corroborative
evidence, nothing except his claim. If I were to accept that, I
would have to accept absolutely any claim. He could claim that
I owe him a million dollars and I would have to feel obligated
to pay. Nope; I always look at the accumulated evidence for and
against any assertion. If an aircraft is abducted in plain
sight of the control tower, and is followed on radar, and all
passengers and crew tell exactly the same story upon their
return, and all shows signs of odd examinations, I'll believe
that they were abducted, because in that case, it is the
simplest explanation.
>> Mr. Spock would therefore infer that a person
>> who IS capable of Logic but chooses not to apply
>> it to a situation that can only be solved with
>> logic - is behaving illogically.
Believe it or not, a lot of people have compared me to Mr.
Spock--and they don't always intend it as a compliment! I've
also been compared to a robot. Unlikely comparisons for someone
who behaves illogically, no?
>> Ergo the source for the illogic need be found.
>> In this instance, I submit that it comes from
>> outside of you and is the product of post=
>> abduction programming.
Anything's possible. But that's reaching quite a bit just to
explain why I disagree with you, isn't it? Is there any reason
to believe I was abducted? How do you distinguish between
someone who was not abducted, and someone who was, but had every
trace of evidence and memory of the abduction erased? Were I
the imaginative type, I could build a case for my own abduction,
but I could explain the same accumulated facts away in any one
of a hundred other ways as well (coincidence being the most
obvious explanation).
>> As a crowning example to support this premise,
>> I further submit one very obvious fact - YOU
>> ARE HERE!.
I SERIOUSLY doubt that everyone in this section of New Age is an
abductee!
-- Anthony
Message: #242026, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jun 12, 1994 11:59:11 PM
Subject: #241976-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Anthony 73064,2766
Reply: #242115 (1 reply)
Anthony:
I'm going to give this another shot appealing to your logic.
I stated that using your criteria you would not be able to
establish
your own existence. You cleverly replied that you weren't trying
to
establish your existence and completely side stepped the issue
of
your criteria WHICH WAS THE ISSUE.
You state there is no evidence of abductions. You completely
discount
the testimony of thousands of sane credible people. Illogical my
friend.
For those of us who worship at the altar of logic we do not
ignore
salient facts simply because it does not fit our point of view.
I find your view on mental illness interesting and particularly
your
example of a paranoid schizophrenic. Having lived with one
(ex-wife)
and paid her hospital bills for 15 years, I have a unique
understanding
of the subject. However, if you wish a more authoritative voice
on the
subject, check out John Mack's book. A Harvard psychiatrist that
says
these people ARE NOT mentally ill. Your theory of mental illness
lacks
substance and has the earmarks of a prejudicial point of view.
If so,
no amount of logic or proof would suffice to convince. Ergo we
return
to your standard of proof. The same standard that if used to
your specs
would not qualify proof of your existence. It follows that your
premise
is not founded on the information available and I further
propose that
your lack of objectivity on the subject has an emotional base.
With regards to the reports of abductees you WOULD NOT consider
psychotic, you have again ignored the common elements.
Abduction, medical examinations, people waking in the mornings
with marks on their bodies
they did not go to bed with. Clothing missing or put on
improperly and
different from when they went to bed. Memories of conversations
with and interactions with aliens. These instances not occuring
a rare handful of times but consistantly on THOUSANDS of
occasions globally.
By your own admission you would accept this 'evidence' if it
occured
with an airliner with many passengers, but find the same
'evidence'
faulty when it is done one or two people at a time. Again this
contradicts your premise of what constitutes evidence and is,
therefore,
not logical. Thousands of people in ones and twos are psychotic
where
a couple of hundred people on an airplane are not. Again,
inaccurate
logic.
My point here is not to argue beliefs. Beliefs fall in the
domain of religion and are best left to priests and rabbis.
Instead I propose,again, that a person employing the flawed
logic of your arguments MUST be doing so solely for emotional
reasons. As there is no logic in the situation there are only
two alternatives emotional and irrationality. One force drives
the other. The only way for you to discover if your views are
the product of emotional or irrational thought is for you to
turn inside and search for yourself. My personal opinion is that
your views are more of a rationalization as they selectively
avoid recognition of major areas of relevant data.
With regards to EVERYONE IN THE NEWAGE section being an
abductee, I agree. It is unlikely and a sweeping statement to
that effect on my part would be inaccurate, unproveable and
illogical. That, however, is not
what I said. I said YOU ARE HERE specifically in the Ufo forum.
I submit
that you are not here to be a spoiler or the town atheist but to
seek
out the truth for yourself over the seemingly overwhelming
fortress of your own mind.
I'll give you a tip from my own personal experience you may or
may not find useful. An abductee when he starts digging for the
truth against
his programming to the contrary, will run into a wall built of
fear.
The greater your anxiety - the closer you are to the truth. It
is an exceptional individual who puts his head down and charges
forward through the terror to the other side.
I wish you luck Anthony.
Bob
Message: #242115, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 7:44:08 AM
Subject: #242026-Abduction Defense
From: Robert Thrift 75545,1710
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>I'm going to give this another shot appealing to your logic.<<
I sympathize with your frustration, but you're not going to
convert or enlighten any disbelievers by using logic as a tool.
There are inherent weaknesses in the use of logic that will
always give them a way out.
Logic is much more useful as a means of explaining your
viewpoint *after* you arrive at a conclusion, than it is in
helping you get there. You can't actually prove anything that
way, to someone who is not willing to accept your proof.
There are various "levels" of proof, which in reality are merely
degrees of probability. All are based on some fundamental
unproveable assumptions which the participants in a discussion
have to agree on, before you can have proof. For instance, the
assumption that the universe is real and observable. This may
seem obvious beyond all need of proving, yet some believe that
the whole megillah is nothing but a thought in the mind of God.
There is another unprovable assumption that effects are related
to causes. These things have to be agreed on by all parties
before you can go further.
You have to agree to trust your own perceptions, and those of
others. For instance, I *think* I'm sitting here typing on a
keyboard. In actuality, I may be hiding under the bed in some
insane asylum, mumbling nonsense.
A fairly large number of people who have never communicated with
one another believe they have had an abduction experience.
Their reports, while not identical in all respects, have certain
similarities which appear to be well above the level of
correlation one would ascribe to chance, although there are no
mathematics to cover the situation with any exactness.
For some, this constitutes "proof" that the abductions are
actually occurring.
For others, this is not proof, but it gives a high probability
that *something* interesting is going on; something that's worth
investigation. Some of the abductees themselves are in this
group.
For still others, it proves nothing at all, and they will cite a
list of conditions that would have to be met for them,
personally, before they would be willing to consider that the
reports have any validity whatsoever. This appears to be the
case in your present discussion with Anthony. (To whom I
apologize for my little joke in an earlier post; just kidding.)
The bottom line is, after all the evidence is presented, people
will believe what they were willing to believe in the first
place, and will disbelieve what they were unwilling to believe
to start with. You're wasting your time to use logic on them.
They'll always like their logic better than yours. If they
decide to believe you, they will supply the logic themselves to
justify the belief.
Cheers! --RLT
Message: #242199, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 1:54:26 PM
Subject: #242156-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (private) (deletable)
John:
Thank you for your kind comments.
Bob
Message: #242200, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 1:54:30 PM
Subject: #242157-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (deletable)
With Carl Sagan - the reply would go
for EVER and for EVER and for EVER and for EVER.
I think that we need to look at a point I personally accept as
gospel.
Our attitudes on ufos, and in particular, those of abductees
have been
colored, programmed, set, and/or manipulated by the abductors to
keep
us from searching too deeply OR to do so in such a simplistic
and childlike manner as to prohibit us from ever succeeding.
The only tool I can see is intellect supported by solid logic.
As
a private investigator I must produce workproduct that is
acceptable
to a court where a form of logic prevails. Were I not good at
it,
I would starve. You don't find too many incompetitant in my
business.
Those few don't last too long.
Pursuing the quest of truth runs into obstacles the largest of
which
is fear. Again, intellect is the only force capable of
penetrating
the blackout imposed on us.
Bob
Message: #242156, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 10:38:02 AM
Subject: #242026-Abduction Defense
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (private) (received) (deletable)
Reply: #242199 (1 reply)
Westbrook,
I gave up trying to argue *logically* with Anthony a while ago.
Someone who claims to be vigorously logical while at the same
time using completely flawed reasoning is a hopeless case in a
debate.
John
P.S. BTW, still a highly entertaining and logical response you
gave Anthony. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
Message: #242397, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 9:08:05 PM
Subject: #242200-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> I think that we need to look at a point
>> I personally accept as gospel.
To accept something as gospel is to accept it as axiomatic, and
not subject to critical or logical analysis.
-- Anthony
Message: #242395, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 9:08:02 PM
Subject: #242026-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> You state there is no evidence of abductions.
No. I state that there is essentially no evidence of abductions
beyond the testimony of alleged victims. Nothing to corroborate
what they say. And when there is something, it is too ambiguous
to clearly support the testimony. For example, marks on the
body could be stigmata, or self-inflicted under hypnosis or in a
fugue state.
>> You completely discount the testimony of
>> thousands of sane credible people. Illogical
>> my friend.
I discount the uncorroborated testimony of a single eyewitness.
Eyewitness accounts are among the most unreliable forms of
evidence around; they simply cannot be trusted.
I consider testimony in favor of UFOs differently, because often
there are many witnesses to a given even who give identical
descriptions. In addition, there is often some other hard
evidence: photographs, radar blips, video, film, marks on the
ground, etc. But none of this is true for abductions.
>> For those of us who worship at the altar
>> of logic we do not ignore salient facts simply
>> because it does not fit our point of view.
Of course not. But I'm still waiting for the salient facts.
All I have for abductions is isolated testimony from single
individuals.
>> If so, no amount of logic or proof would
>> suffice to convince.
On the contrary, there are levels of proof that would convince
me entirely. A film record of an abduction would be pretty
good. An apparatus beyond current technology recovered from a
visit inside a UFO would be another. An analysis of an implant
that would appear to indicate that it demonstrates an
inexplicably-advanced technology would be still another. But I
see none of this.
>> The same standard that if used to your specs
>> would not qualify proof of your existence.
If I had proof of abductions to the same extent that many others
have proof of my existence, it would be hard to deny their
reality. In fact, I personally have *absolute* proof of my
existence, but no such proof of abductions will ever be found.
>> ... I further propose that your lack of
>> objectivity on the subject has an emotional base.
I disagree, especially since my lack of objectivity has only
been suggested, not demonstrated. There is nothing unreasonable
in hesitating to believe the very unusual stories of so-called
abductees in the complete absence of multiple-person testimonies
or any other form of evidence. Following your line of
reasoning, I could claim that I talk to God every day, and you
would be required to believe me simply because I say so, and
because I have not been demonstrated to suffer from any mental
illness.
>> Abduction ...
The only evidence of abduction is the abductees word.
>> ... medical examinations ...
What kind of medical examinations? If you're talking about the
ones that abductees claim to have undergone, I'm not impressed.
If you're talking about examinations of the abductees by third
parties clearly corroborating their testimony and not more
easily explainable, I'm more interested.
>> ... people waking in the mornings with marks on
>> their bodies they did not go to bed with.
Nothing really odd about that. And again, it's only their word.
>> Clothing missing or put on improperly and different
>> from when they went to bed.
Their word again.
>> Memories of conversations with and interactions with
>> aliens.
Memories prove nothing. Detached and unusual memories are
particularly suspect. Hihgly unusual memories recalled after
"recovery" from "induced amnesia" are particularly suspect,
because they are part of the clinical picture of certain
psychoses.
>> By your own admission you would accept this
>> 'evidence' if it occured with an airliner with
>> many passengers, but find the same 'evidence'
>> faulty when it is done one or two people at a
>> time.
Yes, because coherent testimony from a number of people is much
more reliable than isolated testimony from one person.
>> Again this contradicts your premise of what
>> constitutes evidence and is, therefore, not logical.
Not at all. The number of witnesses giving identical accounts
has quite a bit to do with the reliability of the accounts.
>> Thousands of people in ones and twos are psychotic
>> where a couple of hundred people on an airplane are
>> not.
Statistically, the chances of everyone on a given airplane being
simultaneously psychotic are much, much lower than the chances
of a single individual picked at random being so. For example,
if the prevalence rate of psychosis in the general population is
950 in 100,000 (a pessimistic estimate, by the way), the chances
of a single person being psychotic are 1 in 105. The chances of
everyone on a plane with just 20 passengers and crew being
psychotic are about 1 in
277,895,098,176,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000; with
280 passengers and crew, this figure contains 775 digits. So
the testimony of an entire planeful of passengers is much more
reliable than the testimony of one person (excepting optical
illusions and mass hysteria).
>> Again, inaccurate logic.
You may quite a few references to logic, given the fact that I
have only mentioned logic once in this thread, and only with
respect to a point concerning proof of my own existence. Here's
an example of Real Logic:
Three railway employees named Smith, Robinson, and Jones, are
brakeman, fireman, and engineer, but not respectively, living in
the State of New York. Three businessmen, similiarly named,
also live in the state. The businessman Robinson and the
brakeman live in Albany, the businessman Jones and the fireman
live in Rochester, while the businessman Smith and the engineer
live halfway between these two cities. The brakeman's namesake
earns $35,000 a year; the engineer earns one-third as much as
the businessman living nearest him. The railway man Smith beats
the fireman at billiards. What is the engineer's name?
>> Instead I propose, again, that a person
>> employing the flawed logic of your arguments
>> MUST be doing so solely for emotional reasons.
I suppose it would be bad form to allude to the psychological
phenomenon of projection here?
I have already explained that I have somewhat of a reputation
for a lack of emotion. In fact, I usually simulate emotion in
order to gain credibility, since many people incorrectly assume
that nobody who fails to state his opinions in a highly
emotional way could possibly hold those opinions for real.
In any case, I have no emotional reasons to employ any kind of
flawed logic in the current context.
>> As there is no logic in the situation ...
That remains to be demonstrated.
>> My personal opinion is that your views are
>> more of a rationalization as they selectively
>> avoid recognition of major areas of relevant data.
What relevant data are you talking about?
>> I submit that you are not here to be a spoiler
>> or the town atheist but to seek out the truth
>> for yourself over the seemingly overwhelming
>> fortress of your own mind.
I am somewhat of a Devil's Advocate, challenging others to
explain the rational basis for their opinions and beliefs. It
is surprising how many people are incapable of doing so when
pressed.
>> An abductee when he starts digging for the truth
>> against his programming to the contrary, will run
>> into a wall built of fear.
Then I must not be an abductee, since I see nothing frightening
about this forum or this thread.
>> The greater your anxiety - the closer you are to
>> the truth.
That is only the case if you find the truth unpleasant.
-- Anthony
Message: #242412, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 1994 9:37:00 PM
Subject: #242395-Abduction Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Anthony 73064,2766
Anthony:
What is the difference between 'there is no evidence of
abductions'
and 'there is essential no evidence'. Word games. Aside of the
semantical sportsmanship here, it is a TREMENDOUS misstatement
of fact.
Ergo.......... I give up.
I wish you well sir.
Bob
Message: #242587, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 14, 1994 6:02:17 AM
Subject: #240656-Gray Defense
From: Guy Hagan 100024,161
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #242636 (1 reply)
Hi Westbrook,
I'm quite new to this section of the New Age forum, but I've
always been passively interested in UFO's and especially the
concept of life elsewhere in the universe.
That is an interesting transcript you have there. I'm curious to
know(if you don't mind telling me) why Greys are such a threat,
and what they're after since you obviously seem to have had a
lot of involvement with them. I remember someone else asked you
the same question a while ago, and Alain Beaulieu told them that
there were files in the libary that are written about them. In
the "Alien Types" file, the Greys are described as being the
"servants" of reptillian-life forms. So where do the Nordics you
describe fit into all of this? Also, whilst there are many
reports of creatures that resemble Greys I can hardly remember
any reports in which "lizard-men" are sighted. They mostly seem
to be Greys, humans, and of course the odd-ball aliens.
BTW, I'm very interested to know how you managed to keep a
computer conference going whilst having your house invaded by
aliens!
Guy
Message: #242728, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 14, 1994 3:41:16 PM
Subject: #242412-Abduction Defense
From: Anthony 73064,2766
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
>> What is the difference between 'there is no
>> evidence of abductions' and 'there is essen-
>> tial no evidence'. Word games.
The first means that there is no supporting evidence at all, and
the second means that there is no evidence that is best
explained by an abduction hypothesis. At least that's how I use
these expressions here in context.
-- Anthony
Message: #242696, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 14, 1994 2:08:09 PM
Subject: #242587-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Guy Hagan 100024,161
Guy:
Re: Answers
1. I don't know anything about reptiles. Grays are not reptiles.
There are reports of such creatures but as far as my personal
exper-
inence - I have zip to say on the subject.
2. Grays are artificially created lifeforms. Created by Nordics
to
serve Nordics. The are created from genetic material stolen
from us.
3. Nordics value Nordic life - they do not care a great deal
about
Grays - even though Grays do possess a survival instinct.
4. Grays are sent in to do the dangerous work. As the Nordics
can grow
more of them at will, they are considered expendable.
5. Grays are the tool that actually performs the abduction and a
great
deal of the work under Nordic supervision.
6. Rape of a person's body is injurious. In my case they screwed
up
and I lost a testicle because of it in 1963. I consider that
injurious. Not to mention lasting psychological influences
resulting
from their manipulations.
7. I kill Grays. I've gotten 'loose' (their term). By some means
I
don't understand, I've managed to switch control of volutary
functions to my sub-conscious. This neutralizes the
'sedatative'
the apply to keep you docile during the abduction. Ie: I bide
my
time, wait until I'm on the ship, and then go ballistic on
their
scrawny carcasses. They don't bother me any more. They do,
however,
surveil me regularly.
8. Re: the transcript
Angel and I were online at the time. They weren't after me.
They
WERE after her. Even if they were after me they wouldn't have
gotten me. She on the other hand was not defended. I went
voice
with her because I needed to communicate faster than the
keyboard
would allow. We were connected between 9 PM and 4:30AM PST.
Grays are not terribly bright - Nordics run iq's in the area
of 190.
Therefore, a Gray can't outthink me. A Nordic is a worthy
opponent.
9. Any race or individual that is dependent upon technology also
accepts the limitations of those tools. The ufos are totally
dependent
upon their tech toys and without them, they are as vulnerable
as we
are.
10. If you think that transcript is hot, what happened after the
transcript is even hotter. I've been asked me to sit on it
for
the moment.
I hope this answers your questions.
Message: #242867, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 14, 1994 8:14:12 PM
Subject: #242696-Gray Defense
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob since you sound like you have all this worked out, I have a
few questions about stuff I've always kind of wondered...
1. If the greys only work for the Nordics, what interest do the
Nordics have in us, why the abductions? And if they're so smart
and have the greys to help them, and have been around so long,
why does it
seem like they're still learning?
2. If the greys' only goal (ref'ing an earlier conv b/t us) is
to Steal Female Eggs, what do they need men for? Still
biological?
3. If this is all a secret, why on earth would they continue to
have anything to do with you? (b) Why don't the Nordics just
off you?
4. Are there any you would consider "good" guys?
5. You refer to wanting a picture of the person you're working
with to "prevent abduction" (not to mention the other various
cosmic knowledges inferred - nothing personal, but there *are*
quite a few things you say you know more about than most people
do) -- where exactly did you develop these tremendous abilities?
Natural talent? Invoked by the experiences?
6. Just out of curiosity, do you think its possible that a
person could be yanked from one place and sort of "wake up"
driving down the road, like between work and home, but with no
memory of leaving work? Regularly? Wouldn't that be difficult
for them? And if it is possible, why would they do such a
thing?
7. Still waiting on your disk.
PJ
Message: #242930, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 14, 1994 10:08:05 PM
Subject: #242867-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
PJ
1. There is no relationship between abductions and Nordic's
learning.
Abductions are performed for the sole purpose of collecting a
commodity
from us.
2. Re: Female eggs. Grays take genetic material from BOTH sexes.
3. Re: Secrets. As we are talking about it - it doesn't seem to
be much
of a secret does it? As for killing me or us - it isn't
allowed.
there is a governing force that sets rules and enforces them.
While occasional accidents have happened resulting in human
death,
it is the exception rather than the rule.
4. Re: Good Guys. Yes there is evidence of a 'good guy'. His
(their)
presence is very subtle and must be deduced. I'm not holding
my
breath that they will be of much help to us.
5. Re: Wanting a picture of the person to prevent abduction.
I've never said any such thing. The only time I would ask for
a photo
of someone is if I am going to be 'personally' involved with
them.
R U looking for a date?
Also, your thinly veiled sarcasim suggests that you are not
after
answers but have some emotional agenda to promote or to
inflict.
Lucky me, I seem to be the target.
"You seem to know more than most people do..." While I do not
suffer from delusions of grandeur, I'm good at what I do AND
I
know it. I'm sorry that bothers you. As to how I come to know
what I know, my answer is.
a. Personal Experience.
b. Relevant Research.
c. Logical Deduction
If you have a mind and are inclined to using it objectively,
what seems
like a tremendous ability is little more than a common place
ability.
It only seems uncommon when viewed by the common.
6. I have met at least one person who saw lights in the sky.
Pulled over
to look, left the car with her two friends. The next
conscious memory
they had was driving the car down the road afterwards and all
of them
were sitting in different places than originally. It is
unlikely,
and probably impossible to take someone from a moving
vehicle. There
fore, they would have to be induced to stop and leave the
car. To
answer your question - no - this isn't difficult to do. A
part of
all abductions is the blitzing of short term memory from the
conscious mind. The info is still available in the
subconscious but
much harder to get at. To answer your question on memory, no
that
isn't unusual - it is typical.
7. The disk was mailed several days ago.
Now, I have a question. What is it that specifically aggravates
you
about my presentation on this subject?
Bob
Message: #243559, S/2 Community Square
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 1994 6:45:14 AM
Subject: Northern Exposure
From: Starflower 73664,2411
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob;
Do you find all the supplies you need at Ruth Ann's store?
She does not seem to have much inventory to me.
Star
Message: #243548, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 1994 5:35:26 AM
Subject: abduction question
From: Ron Holtz 71035,3440
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> Abductees are not chosen at random. The minimum criteria is
an IQ of 125 or better. <<
How do they know a person's IQ without abducting them first to
test their IQ?
Message: #243620, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 1994 10:35:18 AM
Subject: #242696-Gray Defense
From: Guy Hagan 100024,161
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #243669 (1 reply)
Hi Westbrook,
Gee, thanks for being so honest(in relation to the bodged
experiment by the Greys)! I remember we had a phone-in on this
side of the pond about people with UFO experiences, and a lot of
Grey-related experiences were reported. Whilst most were pretty
innocent(examinations,encounters, etc) some women rang in to
report that their unborn babies had been removed, and one poor
woman rang in reporting the loss of an ovary!
Say, I'm sorry to ask more questions but since you've had so
much experience with the Greys, etc, I find that asking you is
much better than looking up the possible theories in a UFO
textbook! I hope you don't mind.
If the Nordics seem more or less human(judging by their name),
why are they bothering with our genetic stock if they're human
as well? It would seem a lot simipler to use their genetic
stock. I'm sure with their high technology it wouldn't be a
problem. Any ideas? Maybe it's just to do with moralsl; we
experiment on animal foetuses but not human ones.
BTW, do you have any idea where their home planet is? I've read
in the library that it is Bernard's Star, which with being so
close(6 light-years) seems a good choice unless they've got some
kind of instantaneous "wormhole" travel, etc. Their planet
sounds a bit like ours could have been if Nazi Germany won WWII,
with all this talk of Nordics, races of servants and unethical
medical and genetic manipulation of life-forms.
I remember reading the autopsy report on two alien bodies
recovered in a crash(again in the New Age forum libraries). I'd
also read a similiar report in an old book on UFOs. It claimed
that the first body resembled, and was probably a human foetus
that was aborted early from the womb and surgically brought up
to life status. Evidence for this was the very similiar
anatomical similarities to a foetus(vertical undeveloped heart,
many undeveloped other organs etc). However, the other body was
much more "alien"(it also matched the description of a Grey). It
had three fingers coming from its wrist, and a complete body.
The blood was supposed to be partly chlorophyll-based, giving it
a slightly green colour.
Have you any thoughts on why there should be a foetus
thrown in with the other alien? Do you reckon the Nordics just
take what they can from us humans(if they find an unborn baby,
they take it)?
Sorry about all the questions!
Guy
Message: #243669, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 1994 1:07:23 PM
Subject: #243620-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Guy Hagan 100024,161 (received)
Guy :
Re: Nordics as breeding stock.
We are dealing with a group of people who are pointedly logical.
The
evidence of co-breeding with us goes back as far as pre-Biblical
times.
In comparision, we are homosapiens the Nordics are homosuperior.
However, they have some very serious drawbacks.
1. Their society is one where you are born into your caste. The
caste
is determined by intelligence.
2. They are (by our standards) sociopathic.
3. They have no free will and demonstrate abject obedience to
their
master.
4. They consider us 'tainted' as we have free will.
Here we have a race of people who obey no matter what. Let's
face it,
this kind of abject obedience is not one of mankind's traits.
To get that trait, the Nordics were genetically altered, a long
time,
ago. That alteration invalidated them as potential contributers.
To put it simply - they have no soul. We have very unique and
special
traits - foremost of these is the human spirit.
Re: Experimentation on animals.
The Nordics consider us cattle.
Re: Their Home Planet
No, I don't know where they come from AND it doesn't matter.
What is
relevant is they are HERE and we are war with them.
Re: Nazi's
It's an interesting aside that people who see Nordics frequently
describe them as Germans. Ie: The Perfect Aryan. The Nordics
make
them seem like choirboys in comparison.
Re: Ufo books
I can't speak to the book you read. I avoid reading ufo books. I
prefer to learn and figure these things out from sources other
than
those in the ufo loop. That aside. There are six artificial
races
create from our dna. Each one of these was grown deliberately
sterile
to guarantee their obedience to their masters. If they wish to
perpetuate their species (and they do) they must pay in
obedience to
he who controls access to the genetic supermarket.
You don't need to apologize for asking intelligent questions.
Bob
Message: #243668, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 1994 1:07:15 PM
Subject: #243548-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Ron Holtz 71035,3440 (received)
Ron:
We are dealing with a people who are a minimum of 6000 years and
possibly as much as 10,000 years ahead of us in technology.
However,
there is collorary evidence supporting the idea they can 'scan
out'
biological criteria.
Example:
Hagar - concubine to Abraham is running away from home when she
is
intercepted by an 'angel' who tells her to go home. They angel
tells
her she has a 'son' and does so without laying a finger on her.
In the plagues of Eqypt, the first born of not only humans but
cattle
as well are killed selectively. How did they know how to tell
the
difference without abducting them. I don't know. I do know that
they
can do it. Further in the plagues they show a unique
understanding
of insect biology in as much as they deliver up a plague of
locusts.
This was a neat trick as the locust swarms about once every
seven years.
In the download section is a portion of my book, A Survivor's
Guide
To Armageddon - it covers a lot of this material using the Bible
as
the focal point of logic.
Bob
Message: #244068, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 17, 1994 8:38:28 AM
Subject: #243669-Gray Defense
From: Guy Hagan 100024,161
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Westbrook,
Thanks again for the reply.The Nordics do sound an interesting
race, albeit terrible that one so well, unhuman, could exist. I
wouldn't call them choirboys in comparison to the Nazis though -
their policy of not killing us is a fortunate one.
You mentioned that we are at war with them - I can understand
that their abductions are frowned upon and best resisted, but I
feel that I would not like to be at war with them due to their
superior technology and mechanical, logical minds. Do you know
if they are going to treat us as nothing more than just
"cattle", creatures from antoher planet from which gametes,
genetic material, etc, can be obtained from, or that they have
some plans for Earth in the future, e.g. colonisation or
enslavement? There is a lot of talk of a hybrid race being
created combining the best of both worlds - any ideas?
Whilst I find UFO books quite useful, there is a lot of material
that has to be sorted out on personal opinion. It is obvious
that some cases in books have to be treated with a pinch of
salt, whilst others are baffling. BTW, I guess that you have
communicated with some Greys or Nordics to obtain the
information about their social structure, etc, or have you come
to these conclusions from your considerable experience on the
subject?
I suppose if it did come down to a showdown between us and the
Nordics in the near future, we could use our own cloning
techniques to clone Greys, etc, as to stop their obedience to
their Nordic masters who will perpetuate their species only upon
their obedience.
Guy
Message: #244118, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jun 17, 1994 12:37:03 PM
Subject: #244068-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Guy Hagan 100024,161
Guy:
The Nordic policy of not killing us IS NOT their policy but is
a rule
imposed and enforced by someone else. Don't be too greatful. If
you
ever have the misfortune to meet one of these people you'll find
them
emotional 'empty shells'.
The have treated as cattle for over 6000 years that I can
identify and possibly even longer. I so no reason they will
change the game in the future. I wouldn't be so in 'awe' of
their technology. When one uses a tool, he has to accept the
limitations imposed by that tool. Further
they screw up frequently. They are far from ominpotent and
without
the tech toys they are as vulnerable as we are. Don't hand out
too
much respect.
Re: Hybrids.
There are six species of hybrids that have already been created
from
our genetic goodies.
Re: Slavery
We have been genetically restructed to prohibit us direct use of
90%
of our brains. The purpose is to keep us trapped here so we can
serve
as cattle on their commodity market. That fact would qualify as
slavery
in a passive sense. In an active mode, they have grabbed people
in the
past to perform functions for them and will presumably continue
to do
so in the future. Involuntary servitude, in any form, is
slavery.
Re: Colonization
They've been living here with us - side by side - since the
beginning.
They have no need to colonize this planet. They already own as
much
of it as they want. Further, they have access to many other
worlds.
The 'Invasion From Mars' scenario is juvenile. Further there is
logic
to propose the idea that the actual number of Nordics is
relatively
small. I'll explain.
Nordics have created Grays, Browns and Reds from our DNA.
These critters serve the function of worker bees. The creation
of an
artificial species implies a NEED. Nordics are very logical and
methodical in the way they do things (ad naseum). You do not
create
tools that serve no function. In any society, you will need more
Indians
than chiefs. One would infer they actual number of Nordics is
either
small or has a topside limitation.
Re: Ufo Books
I don't read them. The extent of what I know comes from other
historical sources, logic, inference, and personal contact viz a
viz abductions.
Our cloning techniques are not developed to the level we can
create
complex organisms. Therefore, you can forget subverting Grays.
Further,
they are loathsome bastardizations of life and, in my book, have
no right to exist. However, you are on the right track as far as
inlisting
allies, with the Hybrids.
There are recent reports from abductees indicating a group of
Hybrids
have split from the hive and are actively killing Grays.
Essentially
a revolution. Unfortunately, at this moment in time, they use
the
same technology and the same abduction techniques as their
Nordic
masters. I feel, however, there will come a moment in time when
they
will approach us for an alliance.
Bob
Message: #247982, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jun 25, 1994 6:59:01 PM
Subject: #246378-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #247993 (1 reply)
You know what the problem is with all of this:
(1) Sociocentric to the US. Who cares about Slick Willy? He
will be over come by technical events!
(2) Ethnocentric to Judeo-Christianity. If there are any
extra-terrestrial types who care about our little world, does
the Armegeddon Myth mean anything? Not!
(3) Ethnocentric to White Europeans. Wargammers where are you,
trouble with the blacks in S. Africa....Pyrric Africanner
victory. Reason for governmental change........economic power
shifts my friend (i.e., the walls fell down and you can't stop
information).
Get a clue
Brian Martinez
Flight Test Engineer
Message: #247993, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jun 25, 1994 7:20:11 PM
Subject: #247982-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
Mr. Martinez:
Who cares about Slick Willy? Time is made up of a series of
moments that
result in points we call 'history'. 2000 years ago our
progenators
recorded the occurance of the Nordic Harvest thru a man named
John who
wrote it down for us and saved it. When the most important man
on this
planet, The President of The United States fails - a series of
other
events culminating in global repercussions will occur. So - I
CARE - about slick Willy.
Whether the Armageddon myth means anything or not is a matter of
opinion. I support mine opinions with a factual platform. I
submit sir,
it is you who needs to look for the clues - I already have and
you
have yet to.
"Why would ET's be interested in our little world?" The logic of
the
question demands a definition of what is the little world. I
suspect
it is limited to the scope of your individual visions and
perspective.
Therefore, YOUR little world would be of negligble interest.
However,
for those of us with different vantage points, I would say that
one
must have an appreciation for how rare life truely is to
understand
why we would be of interest.
If you are interested in vision that does not agree with your
view
of the universe, you're welcome to download the portion of my
book
in the library. Scan on Armageddon.
Finally, with regards to my prediction of strife and death in
South
Africa. What do you use for a heart that you can so flippantly
dismiss
the suffering all the individuals involved will undergo? The
Nordics
are going to have a lot of fun with you and fortunately, I
suspect
we won't be living on the same planet for many more years. I
find
sharing this one with you - objectionable.
Bob
Message: #248279, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jun 26, 1994 12:35:16 PM
Subject: #247993-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Sir:
You have a big ego and the burden of proof.
Brian Martinez
Flight Test Engineer
Message: #248956, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 1994 3:14:03 PM
Subject: #247335-Gray Defense
From: Nicholas Zaglanikis 71623,163
To: westbrook 71705,262
Being new here I have a question.
What exactly is/are the Nordic thing I read about?
Can anyone help?
Thanks in advance
Nick "the Greek" McLand El Cid Zaglanikis
Message: #248955, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 1994 3:14:05 PM
Subject: #247993-abduction question
From: Nicholas Zaglanikis 71623,163
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> When the most important man on this
planet, The President of The United States fails - a series of
other
events culminating in global repercussions will occur. So - I
CARE - about slick Willy.<<
Where exactly do you base that the president of the United
States is the most important man on this planet?
Just wondering
Yours
Nick "the Greek" McLand El Cid Zaglanikis
Message: #248999, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 1994 5:47:02 PM
Subject: #248956-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nicholas Zaglanikis 71623,163
Nick:
Why is it that every Greek named Nick is 'Nick the Greek'?
Nordics are the alien bad guys who perform abductions of humans,
steal
genetic material from their gonads and create artificial life
forms with them. They're sociopathic, sometimes mistake for
angels or messengers from God and generally are not very nice
people (emphasis added). The are blonde - human in appearance -
very good looking. Although very
bright (IQ - 190) they are emotionally deficient and view us as
little
more than insects. They have plagued this planet for AT LEAST
the last
6,000 years and probably longer.
As to can you help. Indeed you can.
Under the heading of Gray Defense, I left instructions on how to
build
a shield that if placed around your bed will prevent abductions.
It has
been tested in battle AND it works! The more sophisticated a
technology
gets, the easier it is to monkey wrench it.
I and another user here, both abductees, noted that the Nordics
never
use their dimensional door on sections of wall wherein there is
electrical wiring. It was unknown at that moment whether or not
the
magnetic field of the electricity disrupted the field or it was
the wire
itself. To be safe, I purchased 200 feet of electrical cable, 4
ceiling hooks and a fan and constructed five sides of a cube
around my bed.
Each size has an X in the middle. My abduction problems
immediately
ceased.
I later learned in a real time abduction that the following
sequence of
events and limitations occur.
1. They WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES enter the house while
anyone
is awake.
2. They hit the house with an energy beam that will cause fans
to
turn even though they are off at the time.
3. This beam will sedate you and put you into a comatose sleep.
4. It will do so with your animals as well.
5. Once these conditions are met, they will use dimensional
shifting
to either send Grays thru the walls to haul you out or to
open
the dimensional door and use a white tractor beam to levitate
you
out of the bed and thru the door - into their ship.
6. The dimensional door is typcially used on interior walls in
crowded
urban areas. In sparcely populated areas they will use it on
an exterior wall. In a bedroom, the wall of choice must be in
line of sight with the bed. If there is no wall in allowing
this
facility, then they send in a team of Grays. They typically
use
closets.
The 'cage' or 'shield' works when the energy from their beam
moves
across the wire. the movement creates a small electric charge
that is
grounded out. Essentially, you are intercepting and grounding
enough
of the energy directed at you and grounding it. Thus making
their
effort ineffectual.
What can u do to help yourself?
1. Protect yourself.
2. Protect your loved ones.
3. Educate others.
IF they want you bad enough, they will have to physcially
materialize
and put their slimy hands on you AND you will not have been
sedated.
This is pretty risky when confronted with someone like me who
kills
Grays (and I'd love to get my hands on the Nordic sob that sent
them
in too).
For more info - download the bit of my book in the library. Scan
on Armageddon.
Bob
Message: #248998, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 1994 5:46:17 PM
Subject: #248955-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nicholas Zaglanikis 71623,163
Nick:
Why is the President of the United States the most important man
in the
world?
To give just one example. Economics.
There is a saying in European financial market. When the U.S.
catches
cold - Europe gets pneumonia.
The U.S. sits at the hub of world economic stability. We are the
greatest single marketplace in the world and the most stabile
producer. Our
fingers are in every major economic pie on this planet. Taken to
an
extreme, if you US were to cease to exist tomorrow, the vacuum
would
collapse the global economy.
You might argue that Japan is the most stabile market on the
Earth.
No so, the raw materials used to make over 90% of Japans exports
are
imported as they have no natural resources. Their economy exists
only
as long as other nation's are willing to sell to them. Not so
with the
U.S.
So much of the world economic condition is based upon psychology
and
the appearance of stability. The Dow Jones Average, for
instance,
is meaningless except to the extent it shows the psychology of
the
marketplace at that moment in time.
So it is with the President. If the world views him as a person
with
no integrity, no morals, and untrustworthy, it undermines all
the things
which he affects. Factor in some major blunder - let's say, War
with
China, and what started out as just a poor perception turns in
calamity
touching the entire planet's economic systems - which in turn
affect
food supplies and other commodities and so on.
It's a chain reaction that, if permitted to go wild, destroys.
Bob
Message: #249072, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 1994 8:08:16 PM
Subject: #248998-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Westbrook:
That is indeed possible......the butterfly effect as described
in Gleick's Chaos. But, as in the butterfly effect, there may
be other "affectors". The problem is much like building a
computer algorithm which tries to predict the weather. The
potential of minor individuals to influence change is just too
much an uncertainty.
Most of all, whether you received your messages from on high or
from Zen dreams of your subconscious, true Prophets are very
seldom believed and less seldom found. It is a dangerous
business to be in.
Brian Martinez
FTE
Message: #249158, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 1994 10:45:07 PM
Subject: #249072-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
Brian:
Fortunately, I am neither in the religion or prophecy business.
I am,
however, in the credibility business. As a private investigator
with
over 400 hours in court rooms, expert witness testimony,
appearances
before two legislatures and service with one - most consider me
a
credible kind of guy.
If, before proffering your opinion, you'd have read the bit of
my book
in the library, you would have found an evidencery trail going
back
6000 years. From this foundation, I built a logic trail that was
enhanced by my own personal experience. However, if you strip
that
experience away - you will still be left with the same material
that
will lead to the same conclusions - assuming one uses logic as
the
tool of discovery.
As far as being an unbelieved Cassandra. I am not one to cast
pearls
before swine. I throw it out there - if it takes root, fine - if
not,
I've lost nothing.
Bob
Message: #249237, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 28, 1994 1:17:00 AM
Subject: #248998-abduction question
From: Nicholas Zaglanikis 71623,163
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #249266 (1 reply)
Indeed I am Greek and temporarily I am considered a...
permanent resident here in the U.S.
By no means I mean to offend you guys, don't get me wrong,
but... when I was roaming around in this forum and the
Encounters forum I saw messages of people who seem to believe
that the President of this country does not seem to know
--everything-- that he needs to know. {eg about the UFOs}.
I do not disagree that yes, the United States is the most
powerfull country right now and it will still be for a
looooooong time for the reasons that Bob explained, but still I
have doubts if Mr. Clinton or any other President of this
country is the most important person on this planet. I say this
because how about the ones that influence the President? Or how
about the ones that hide information from the President? A
single action by someone can change the course of history,
right? If this is so then I don't think that we can say that a
SINGLE person is the most important person on this world. Of
great importance maybe but I am not sure if he/she is of the
greatest.
Yours
Nick "the Greek" McLand El Cid Zaglanikis
Message: #249266, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 28, 1994 3:26:24 AM
Subject: #249237-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Nicholas Zaglanikis 71623,163
Nick:
There is nothing 'Great' about Clinton. He is a liar and a
person without
any ethical or moral fiber. Even so, he sits holding the lynch
pin of
world stability. A study of history will show that most major
events
nearly always come down to the decisions and actions of one man.
Bob
Message: #249524, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 28, 1994 7:36:12 PM
Subject: #249158-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob:
I will download when I have a spare moment. Appreciate the
reply. Just hope you are not talking about me being the swine.
I've experienced the normal racist curses due to my skin
pigment, and a lot of unmentionable titles at the Service
Academy, but swine would be new. Anyway, thanks for the
information.
Brian Martinez
FTE
Message: #249527, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 28, 1994 7:48:26 PM
Subject: #249158-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob:
Another question if I may. How many people out there routinely
come to you with alien abduction problems and has this been
steady or has there been any oscillation?
Brian Martinez
FTE
Message: #249690, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 1:08:02 AM
Subject: #248999-Gray Defense
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #249756 (1 reply)
Hi Bob,
>> The 'cage' or 'shield' works when the energy from their beam
moves
>> across the wire. the movement creates a small electric
charge that
>> is grounded out. Essentially, you are intercepting and
grounding
>> enough of the energy directed at you and grounding it. Thus
making
>> their effort ineffectual.
What would happen if, after the greys came through, the power to
your electric cage were turned on? Would that trap the greys?
Dean
Message: #249756, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 4:01:23 AM
Subject: #249690-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Dean:
What if they cut the power to the cage. That exact thing did
occur.
When I initially noted that the bad guys never come thru the
wall
where there's wiring, I speculated that it was the magnetic
field
from the juice in the wire that was disruptive. However, in a
real
time encounter here thru CIS, wherein Angelfish was the
objective
of the abduction attempt, I had her grab any electical cord she
had
available and to wrap it around her.
During the encounter, her ceiling fan - while turned off was
spinning.
This indicated the presence of moving energy that was being
coverted
into electricity by the coil in the motor - thus causing the fan
to
rotate. She also, developed a hot spot on one of her legs. The
wire
was not grounded so it was grounding thru her leg. During that
portion
of the event - she was not snatched.
However, after things settled down, she took the cabling off.
When she
did, the power to her entire house went out. The phone went dead
and
try as she might to stay awake she couldn't. She awoke the next
morning
the painful bruises and sore ribs - indicating she put up a
fight.
The transcript of the beginning of the event was posted here on
the
forum.
The bottom line is - it is the WIRE itself and not any current
that
disables their beam.
It is noteworthy that there was another quirk of the evening.
When she
received her power bill - it was much higher than the ability of
all
her appliances to consume energy. The power company agreed and
is going
to give her credit on the bill.
The Nordics are dependent upon their technology and they are not
inclined to taking risks. If, in the presense of the shield,
they
wish to perform an abduction - they will have to drop all em
camoflauge
and physcially put their hands on you the same as anyone else
would
have to do AND they aren't willing to do this.
For those of you with a mathematical bent, you might be able to
make a reasonable guesstimate of the amount of energy going thru
Angel's place. The fan is a standard ceiling model and I figured
it
was doing something like 35 to 50 rpm's. She reported it took 30
minutes for her to 'fall asleep'.
With regards to her electrical consumption - assuming the
electric
meter did not do a flat spin and go haywire on it's own, and
allowing
that it is clearly impossible for the appliances in the house to
consume
energy beyond their engineering - I have an interesting
speculation -
Time.
We know that there are difference in time when identical time
pieces
are held in the area of a landing zone and outside the area.
This
would be consistent with a power supply that utilized
dimensional
physics to function.
If relative time was accelerated within the beam shot into
Angel's
house, then not only the machines in the house would move in an
accelerated fashion - but so would her biomechanics. In speeding
her up,
it's possible her natural sleep periods were quickened for a
sleep
period faster than she would have had if she'd stayed in normal
time.
Due to the relativity factor - not of the devices nor her body
would
exceed design limitations.
I consider it no small coincidence that the Nordics and Gray
jumpsuits
have several useful purposes. They are reported to have a wire
mesh
woven into the material making the suits not only bullet proof,
but
immune to sound or light weaponry. IE: the beam would not work
on them
as the energy would be converted to simple electricity and
grounded out.
The cage uses the same principle but is admittedly cruder. The
ideal
human wear would be a poncho with a grounded wire built in
somewhere.
Bob
Message: #249558, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 28, 1994 10:05:16 PM
Subject: #249524-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
Brian:
The reference 'casting pearls before swine' refers to putting
things
of value in front of people who do not have the wherewithall to
appreciate it, much less, understand it.
One of the things about modem land is that you can't see skin
pigmentation. Even if I could, I wouldn't care if you were green
with purple polka dots.
Bob
Message: #249559, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jun 28, 1994 10:05:21 PM
Subject: #249527-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
Brian:
I am not in the ufo business. Do not hold myself out to people
to be
anything more than a source of info on what I've learned as a
result
of being an abductee and a professional investigator. During my
own
'PERSONAL' quest - I've come up with answers that are relevant
to others.
My purpose for coming to the ufo forum has nearly complete. It's
my
hope that my book will be of some assistance to those who see
it. As
for meeting with other abductees, the limit of my experience on
the
subject was an hour with 8 abductees in Houston and those whom
I've
met here. As the Nordics perform their tasks with repetitive (ad
naseum)
methodology, the commonality of experience between all abductees
makes for a substantial database. I do not consider myself all
that
uncommon in this area.
Bob
Message: #250010, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 6:30:16 PM
Subject: #249756-Gray Defense
From: Andrew R Sutcliffe 100317,2245
To: westbrook 71705,262
Westbroke (is that your first or last name?)
>>During the encounter, her ceiling fan - while turned off was
spinning.<<
WE know that electrical & magnetic energy are related. Why
didn't this wipe out her hard drive info? All floppies? Cassette
tapes? Credit card swipe strips? Why does she have such a daft
name? If she's reporting reality why not say so (would you
believe a source of the next major international scandal if the
only evidence was from two 'nameless' individuals (one of whom
had recently written a book ! )......
>>This indicated the presence of moving energy that was being
coverted
into electricity by the coil in the motor - thus causing the fan
to
rotate.>>
See above.
>>The bottom line is - it is the WIRE itself and not any current
that
disables their beam.<<
So a few little strand's of little 'ol copper is all that it
takes?
Why not put wire mesh under (or over if you prefer) the wall
paper? No current needed! No ground needed! (What does a ground
= earth; mean to an Alien being anyway?)
>>The power company agreed and is going to give her credit on
the bill.<<
So ? Are the power co going to explain _why_ her bill was so
out? How did she know this ? Are we going to see proof of this
(i.e. a photocopy of her bill & related letters uploaded as a
series of Gif files, or similar?)
>>something like 35 to 50 rpm's.<<
So you were there & SAW the fan then?
>>We know that there are difference in time when identical time
pieces
are held in the area of a landing zone and outside the area. <<
We do?? I haven't heard of it (X-files excluded). What is the
explaination of that? Is this a proven fact or UFO mythology?
>>This would be consistent with a power supply that utilized
dimensional
physics to function.<<
Um....Er.....Please explain more please. Sounds like you might
knnow something that could get you a nobel prize here!
>>I consider it no small coincidence that the Nordics and Gray
jumpsuits
have several useful purposes. They are reported to have a wire
mesh
woven into the material making the suits not only bullet proof,
but
immune to sound or light weaponry. IE: the beam would not work
on them
as the energy would be converted to simple electricity and
grounded out.<<
It is sad that _sound_ weapons won't work ! They were the only
chance against brittle, hollow bones. But then a wire suit will
not ground out without a ground strap connected to EARTH. (EARTH
= GROUND - or a least it does in a lot of electrical situations)
Is a wire mesh bullet proof to ALL bullets & projectiles?
No _simple_ conversion to electricity would happen without a
path & a means to absorb the energy.
>>Bob<<
Ok now I know that at least!
Andrew.
Message: #250012, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 6:37:15 PM
Subject: #249756-Gray Defense
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
>> The transcript of the beginning of the event was posted here
on the
>> forum.
Yes, I read it.
>> The bottom line is - it is the WIRE itself and not any
>> current that disables their beam.
Aha. Good investigating. How about a wire mesh net that could
drop down (somehow) at the moment the attempted abduction takes
place?
Could Angelfish make a copy of her power bill or in some way get
something to document the excess power usage? It's evidence,
even though circumstantial.
Dean
Message: #250056, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 8:19:11 PM
Subject: #249558-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob:
Thanks. I understand that there are no cameras attached to the
rig yet. Just checking your meanings. I've run into a lot of
folks who will take advantage of the literary to throw an
insult. Glad you are not one of them. I'm still trying to
unzip some messages here, so I not up to speed in your library
yet; interesting subject matter though.
Brian Martinez
Message: #250059, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 8:21:29 PM
Subject: #249559-abduction question
From: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob:
Appreciate your reply and perspective.
Brian Martinez
Message: #250120, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 1994 9:41:13 PM
Subject: #249756-Gray Defense
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
>> it is the WIRE itself and not any current that disables
their beam.
How much wire is required? Like if you were wearing a metallic
necklace, would it be sufficient if grounded?
>> her power bill - it was much higher than the ability of all
her
>> appliances to consume energy.
How can that be? They would have been sucking the energy so
quick to abduct her? But I don't think that just a time lapse
would do it.
Alain
Message: #250190, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 30, 1994 12:43:31 AM
Subject: #250010-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Andrew R Sutcliffe 100317,2245 (received)
Andrew:
1. Angelfish is the person's handle here on the ufo forum. If
you don't
like her choice, I'm sure she's going to lose a lot of sleep
over it.
2. As to why the emf's didn't wipe out her hard drive. Does your
radio
kill your computer system? Or do transmissions from ANY radio
source?
When you turn on a fan - does the magnetic field generated by
it
or any other appliance kill your computer?
There's an old saying here that applies.
"Put your brain in gear before you put your mouth in motion"
3. As to your undisguised use of sarcasim as a means of hiding
your
own ignorance and ill preparedness to have this discussion I
say.
a. I am not inclined to teach you the theories on dimensional
physics - go to a library and enrich yourself.
b. wire works - mesh is better - grounding practical. Prove
otherwise.
c. The transcript of the beginning of the abduction attempt
is posted
here. If you choose the believe the lady is a real time
liar -
knock yourself out. I'm not in the belief business.
d. Re: Time differentials. You criticisms based on data you
admit
you don't possess are illogical and founded in nothing
more
than a need to display petty emotions. If you wish serious
answers to the questions - take your head out of your
backside.
Contrary to what you believe - the view isn't that grand.
Don't waste my time. What you believe is up to you and I don't
care one
way or another. If you want information you don't possess, you
may consider them or not as you will. However, do not make the
mistake of playing games with me kid. I'm much better at it than
you are.
Bob Westbrook
Message: #250192, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 30, 1994 12:43:04 AM
Subject: #250012-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Dean:
1. I've asked Angel to provide a copy of the bill. She will be
back on
line here soon.
2. Wire Mesh is better than cabling. However, as I was born with
ten
thumbs, I tend to do things the easiest way possible.
3. As for making the trap you visualize. I have not conceived of
a
switch that will work. I did come up with a compass and
magnet gig
that did successfully alert me to the opening of the
dimensional
door. However, as soon as they saw the rig, they stopped
using it
and instead send one Gray in to do surveillance. The Gray's
gear
is not sufficient to trip the compass needle. So - if you can
come
up with a switch - you'll be able to bag some Grays.
Bob
Message: #250191, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 30, 1994 12:43:00 AM
Subject: #250056-abduction question
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: BRIAN M. MARTINEZ 73124,723
Thank you Brian.
Bob
Message: #250665, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jun 30, 1994 9:35:23 PM
Subject: #250190-Gray Defense
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> "Put your brain in gear before you put your mouth in
motion"
3. As to your undisguised use of sarcasim as a means of hiding
your ...
Please, let's All remain calm!
Alain
Message: #251544, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 2, 1994 10:52:05 AM
Subject: #249756-Gray Defense
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<
(pun intended!)
Andrew.
Message: #252942, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 9:13:07 PM
Subject: #252528-Gray Defense
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #253060 (1 reply)
>>you will experience an 'awakening'. This is not a religious or
spiritual affair. It is a clarity of vision like you've never
had before.<<
It sure sounds like a spiritual affair to me. Sara :-)
Message: #253060, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 2:05:06 AM
Subject: #252942-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Shannon & Sara:
Expanded mental facilties open the door to many things that are
commonly
mistaken for spiritual affairs. What if higher intellect and the
soul
are actually the same thing? One being the object and the other
being the emotion associated with the object? It would seem
reasonable then that
contact with our higher mental abilities would produce an
emotional
response that would seem spiritual only because we aren't
accustomed
to using them.
Bob
Message: #252908, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 8:26:10 PM
Subject: #252527-Gray Defense
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #252938 (1 reply)
>> I have no patience with would be debunkers who haven't even
bothered
>> to do their homework on the subject they wish to debunk.
Yes. But you will also find a lot of support by just boring the
debunkers out!
>> I am also fond of Jehovah's Witnesses who wish to bend my
ear by
>> misquoting the Bible.
ROFL! Yes. That too! A lot of that going around in born again
people.
Alain
Message: #252938, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 9:03:25 PM
Subject: #252908-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645 (received)
Reply: #253015 (1 reply)
Alain:
I'm sorry - boring the debunker out just isn't going to work in
my case.
I've been called many names in my lifetime but dull, hum-drum
and BORING have never been applied. I'm sorry buddy, I just
don't have it in me.
Bob
Message: #253015, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 11:46:05 PM
Subject: #252938-Gray Defense
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #253043 (1 reply)
>> I've been called many names in my lifetime but dull,
hum-drum and
>> BORING have never been applied. I'm sorry buddy, I just
don't have it
>> in me.
I think you misinterpreted what I said to you. Those debunkers
are looking for a fight. By refusing to escalate, you will bore
them out and they will leave you alone. (I have done that
sucessfully before as section leader when 2 hard line skeptics
landed here at the same time). You will then be able to keep
talking productively.
Alain
Message: #253043, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 12:44:10 AM
Subject: #253015-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
No Alain:
I didn't misinterpret, you didn't get my humor. I have a
standard
method of dealing with those that would bait me.
Later
Message: #252933, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 8:54:30 PM
Subject: #252710-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Andrew R Sutcliffe 100317,2245 (received)
Andrew:
I will answer the questions you posed to Robert Thrift and
answer your
question as to how you get a 'good' post. You get 'good'
responses by
asking intelligent and relevant questions. Baiting does not get
you
a good post - least of all from me.
There are two principle methods used in performing an abduction.
1. Dimensional doorway through a wall with an accompanying
'tractor'
beam that levitates you out of the bed and thru the wall.
2. Using similar gear in their jumpsuits, they walk thru the
wall,
pick u up and carry you out.
Re: 1
In reverse engineering the logic of the event, we noticed that
they
always chose walls, or sections of walls, that did not have
wiring
in it. I speculated that the cause was the magnetic field of
the
wiring. I've since discovered this speculation is wrong. It is
the
wire itself. Any RF energy moving across a conductive wire
will create
a small electric charge - thus diminishing the amount of
energy
reaching its intended target.
Also, I have speculated that as we shoot a light beam to
project
an image on a 2 dimensional surface - it is reasonable they
can
shoot a beam on a 3 dimensional surface providing a
dimensional door.
In doing so, they must rotate reality 90 degrees. Any other
item
capable of interfering with the balance required by that
doorway,
would destabilize the beam.
Judging from cause and effect, they have stopped using this
method
on me from the minute I put up the cage. This because the
tractor
can not function through the wiring now surrounding my bed.
I would add that I devised a simple test to ascertain the
existence
of the 4D door. I took a compass and placed a small magnet at
a
right angle to the needle. This establishes a precarious
relationship
between the magnet and the needle. The induction of any
magnetic
energy into the room causes the needle to spin furiously. It
developes
such high rpms that it generates its own magnetic field and
literally
KICKS the magnet about 2 inches away from the compass. On the
two
occasions this happened, I awoke with nicks and scratches I
did not
have when I went to bed - further my finger nails had grown
noticably.
Re 2.
The second rendition is simply a slight variation of number
one.
Instead, they send a team of Grays thru your wall, pick u up and
haul
you outside where they use the beam on you. It is not their
method of
choice however. They will not enter the house until EVERY living
thing
in it has been sedated. This is achieved by an energy beam. This
beam
also will cause fans to turn by themselves. How it puts us to
sleep is
a matter for speculation as the technology is beyond ours. It
suffices
that it does. The cage prevents the sedation to occur. Ie: they
will
not enter the house. Without their technology - they are quite
vulnerable.
Re: Window.
For all I know, they may be able to use windows. In my case,
they have
always used walls or closets and seem to prefer walls.
Re: Power Company
You ascribe great investigative abilties to the power company
that exceeds their purpose in life. The individual in question
did not
inform them of the event with the ufo. Common sense. The only
relevant
question is whether or not the user actually consumed the amount
of
electricity indicated by the meter. To be sure, the first thing
they
would check is the meter - as it is the measuring device.
Side Note:
Andrew, you would find it useful to use more logic in
forumlating
your queries and speculations. You will not be able to deal with
this
subject matter if you don't. I recommend a trip to the library
to learn
the principles.
Your statement that we use observational data for forumulate an
hypothesis is incorrect. Naturalistic observation is the first
step of the scientific method. It is IN AND OF ITSELVE also
capable of providing proofs and answers - not just the
questions. Therefore, the premise of your statement is illogical
and you can not receive a rational reply to an irrational
question. Your subsequent statement that the 'abduction
question' falls into the arena of unproveable is as incorrect as
the
premise that it is built upon. You use one irrational statement
to
build the illogical conclusion that abductions have not been
proven.
Your arguement fails on all points.
FYI - The observations of hundreds of thousands of abductees
constitutes
proof by the terms of the scientific method. So it has been with
the
case of near death experiences. However, there are those who
wish to
enforce a different standard with the subject of ufos. The
scientific
method is what it is regardless of the politics or emotions of
the moment. If there are those who choose to disgard this
cornerstone of
logic because it does not meet their need of the moment, then no
logical
arguement or fact short of the Seconding Coming of Christ will
convince
them. It is illogical to argue with minds that are unable or
incapable of rational thought. Ergo, one does not cast pearls
before swine.
Does a mesh provide magnetic shielding?
Mesh will intercept a moving wave of any frequency and will
convert it
into simple electricity that can be grounding out. It reduces
the
amount of energy reaching the target. Based on my experience, it
does
so well. Increasing the amount of energy into the shielded area
will
only increase the amount of electricity generated.
This means, for a Gray or Nordic to perform an abduction, he
must
enter the room, drop his shielding and physically lay his hand
on you.
He must also do this knowing that you are not comatose and are
capable
of rising and kicking his can. This is not a risk they are
willing to
take.
Now, after taking the time to write this out for you, I have a
question.
What is your interest. Are you an abductee or simply a voyeur?
Bob
Message: #252910, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 8:26:14 PM
Subject: #252531-The Awakening
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #252939 (1 reply)
>> Take it for what it's worth.
Thank you very much for your message.
We allways thought that the Rapture meant removal of people.
Yest you say that they will strafe city streets in daylight.
That does not sound compatible. Could you clarify this? What
would they do with the people that they do remove?
Alain
Message: #252939, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 9:04:02 PM
Subject: #252910-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645 (received)
Reply: #253016 (1 reply)
Alain:
I'm sorry - but you didn't get it.
There are three players in this game, us - them and them. The
Nordics
are coming to harvest the herd. Towards the END of Armageddon,
they
will be so bold as to drop the screen of secrecy and openly
strafe
the streets.
PRIOR TO the mass destruction of Armageddon, the Noshaimus will
remove one billion people off the planet - effectively saving
them from the
Nordics. The Noshaimus will be inviting those who meet the
criteria
for living as an adjunct to their society. They must be able to
control
their own fear. You don't have to be Mother Theresa, you don't
have
to put money in the plate every Sunday. You just have to be able
to
control the animal instincts you were born with.
Incidentally, how do you get the doscim to extract the lines you
quote
for inclusion into the reply?
Bob
Message: #253016, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 4, 1994 11:46:07 PM
Subject: #252939-The Awakening
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #253047 (1 reply)
>> Incidentally, how do you get the doscim to extract the lines
you quote
>> for inclusion into the reply?
I use OZCIS myself. What you do is you go to the message that
you are replying to, select the text to copy by dragging your
mouse from one corner to the next, then in the Edit Menu, use
Copy. Then you go to the reply screen, place the cursor where
you want the copied text to appear. You may type a >> before
then you select the Edit menu, then Paste. Then add a << at the
end. Then enter two carriage returns before to start the reply
paragraph.
Alain
Message: #253047, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 12:52:11 AM
Subject: #253016-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
>> I use OZCIS myself. What you do is you go to the message that
you are replying to, select the text to copy by dragging your
mouse from one corner to the next, then in the Edit Menu, use
Copy. Then you go to the reply screen, place the cursor where
you want the copied text to >>
Thanks Alain - I got it.
Bob
Message: #253134, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 9:33:20 AM
Subject: #252531-The Awakening
From: James Sellman 71520,3434
To: westbrook 71705,262
G'day Bob...
What was the title of your book? "The Awakening"?
I totally understand what you're saying, except this part....
>> It has only been since I have constructed my own cage and
passed the hurdles of fear<<
1. What was the 'cage' made of, size, construction technique
and for what purpose?
2. What specifically were the hurdles of fear that you were
tested on?
3. In your experience did the 'Nordics' come in one size,
colour, type etc.
4. 2.1 years from which date?
Thanks for the original post....feel free to express more...many
ears listen and heads nod in agreement.
Regards,
James
Message: #253206, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 12:26:01 PM
Subject: #252939-The Awakening
From: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>Incidentally, how do you get the doscim to extract the lines
you quote
for inclusion into the reply?<<
Mark the lines with either your mouse or with >
until they are highlighted. Then choose "Copy' from the 'Edit'
menu.
In your reply, place the cursor where you wish it and choose
"Paste" from the 'Edit' menu.
Message: #253291, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 4:21:10 PM
Subject: #253043-Gray Defense
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> I didn't misinterpret, you didn't get my humor.
Oh! OK then! I was not sure whether you were joking or not!
Alain
Message: #253256, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 3:02:02 PM
Subject: #253134-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: James Sellman 71520,3434
> 1. What was the 'cage' made of, size, construction technique
and for what purpose?<
You'll find the instructions for constructing the cage under the
heading
of Gray Defense. The purpose is to prevent abductions.
2. What specifically were the hurdles of fear that you were
tested on?
I didn't say I was 'tested'. To break free of the abduction
syndrome you must overcome the programming that was stuffed
between your ears when you were abducted. For example, if you
begin thinking your were abducted your
first barrier is the "Gee, I must be nuts" wall. Once you accept
that
you were, in fact, abducted you run into fear. You've been told
not
to look and any act to the contrary produces unexplained fear.
The more
you look - the worse it gets. Constructing the cage requires you
get
past these items BECAUSE you must admit that you have the
problem,
decide you're not crazy and say 'screw it' with the fear. In the
end
the fears will have been unjustified.
3. In your experience did the 'Nordics' come in one size,
colour, type etc.
Principally, the Nordics I've seen are perfectly blonde. Men
about 6
foot and the women a little shorter. All are exceptionally
beautiful.
I have, however, seen Brown haired Nordics on one occasion.
4. 2.1 years from which date?
From the date of my post.
Message: #253419, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 9:30:19 PM
Subject: #253204-Angels in California?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
Bob P.
As the keeper of the prognostications - which ones are coming
true
and which ones aren't?
Bob
Message: #253317, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 5:44:08 PM
Subject: The Shield
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I have uploaded a file that explains the construction of the
anti-abduction sheild together with the logic and train of
thought
that inspired it.
Scan on the words Abduction Prevention
Bob
Message: #253502, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 6, 1994 12:57:11 AM
Subject: #253060-Gray Defense
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Hi Bob,
>> What if higher intellect and the soul are actually the same
thing?
>> One being the object and the other being the emotion
associated
>> with the object?
You're making more and more sense to me as time goes on.
I don't know if I should be scared or not.
Dean
Message: #253420, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 9:33:02 PM
Subject: #253134-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: James Sellman 71520,3434 (received)
James
The name of the book is a Survivor's Guide To Armageddon.
Message: #253645, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 6, 1994 8:43:15 AM
Subject: #252531-The Awakening
From: Jack Boyle 70322,2171
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #253754 (1 reply)
Bob,
I have read your book (the downloadable portion, anyway) and
have been lurking around here for several weeks with great
interest. I do not (yet) consider myself well-read enough to
either accept or reject many of the ideas in these fora. I do
not believe we are alone in the universe. I try to keep an open
mind, and I hope you can clarify something for me.
>> However, they WILL save those who meet one (and only one)
criteria. They will take all those who have learned to control
their fears. This implies a certain degree of intellect because
it is only with intellect that the baser passions can be
controlled. <<
I agree about the intellect part, but you also say that one has
to 'learn' to control ones fears. Does this imply a certain
level of life experience? I guess my real question is, where do
children fit into this plan? Bottom line, if I were selected to
be saved, and I couldn't bring my family with me, I'd rather
stay here.
Thanks,
Jack
Message: #253754, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 6, 1994 1:48:23 PM
Subject: #253645-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jack Boyle 70322,2171
Jack:
I don't think that fear is an item that is necessarily
controlled by
life experience. One could argue that the longer one lives, and
the more
terrible things we see and hear about, it would increase fear.
Fear is
very personal, and I suspect it is different for each person. I
can only speak of my own instance intelligently.
For me it was coming to grips with the abduction scenario. It is
not
one that I am willing to accept or to live with. I choose what
is done with my body - no one else! Once I became aware of the
situation, I ran into increasingly violent walls of fear. This
is contra my nature as I
conquered these dragons a long time ago. I realized what I was
feeling was irrational. I concluded that as this was not
something natural to me,
it was something that had been done TO me. Then, I created the
shield.
I can not be grabbed while I'm in it.
I have a son, 10, whom I love greatly. I've had the same
thoughts you
have. Children reflect their parents. I've taught my son (re:
fear) to use his head to control his life and even if he is
afraid, not to show it to an enemy. Eventually, this lead me to
conquering the beast. It will do so for him too. The children of
the world are, I think, special and innocent. Fear is an
instinct supplied with our biology. All animals
have it and NEED it. The question is degree. In the next two
years,
you can teach your kids to use fear productively and to control
it.
I suspect that interpersonal relationships are going to start
changing.
I feel that people will start pairing up the way they should
have in the beginning. Ie: they will find their soul mates (so
to speak).
I too, would not leave my son behind in the post Armageddon
world
although I wouldn't miss his mother at all
Bob
Message: #253437, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 1994 10:05:31 PM
Subject: #252944-Falling Out of Bed
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045 (received)
Sara:
I find your idea that the positive or negative aspects of the
abduction
experience is a matter of perception. Those believing it to be a
postive
experience don't call the victim an abductee but merely a
contactee,
like these highly advanced people couldn't make a phone call if
they
wanted to. Indulge me while I supply you with some real 'dark
alley'
perceptions.
You are stolen out of your bed. You are put on a metal operating
table.
Your clothes are stripped from you and you lay their butt naked
being
observed by Gray bug eyed aliens who neglected to ask for your
consent.
Your legs are spread as wide as they'll go and you are
restrained, unable
to move or even scream. They put their hands up inside of you
and remove
an egg from your ovary or worse they impregnate you with a child
they
will return later to take from you.
If I were to do this to you, it would be called rape or worse.
Yet,
those who wish to see something nice associated with this tend
to
ignore the very standards you live your daily life by.
You are not an intelligent creature whom they can respect. If
you were
they'd ask your permission and cooperation. No, you're a lab
rat, a
species whom can be used and disgarded at will.
There aren't contactees, only victims. Consider that your
beliefs
may have been programmed into you. Certainly, and at the very
least,
it is illogical to apply different standards of behavior for
aliens
and humans.
On a personal note, I'm nursing one very sore and swollen
testicle
at the moment. They bagged me out of the 5th floor of the Vegas
Hilton
on 6/30. I'm working up a portable shield for when I travel and
will
have it completed before I take another trip. They wanted info,
I told
them to kiss my @ss thus precipitating the rough treatment.
Further,
you are also not aware that while Nordics don't usually kill us,
they have been known to engage in that age old goodie called
torture.
Hon - there is nothing good about what these people do to us.
Bob
Message: #254187, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 1994 7:22:14 AM
Subject: #253419-Angels in California?
From: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
To: westbrook 71705,262
>>As the keeper of the prognostications - which ones are coming
true
and which ones aren't?<<
I really am not keeper of such. Any of the numerous predictions
that have gone on 'record' over the past have all been for
naught. Although it's would be a long explanation, let me just
say that my beliefs in the nature of reality(ies) is such that I
pay little attention to long term predictions because I believe
the future to be 'plastic'.
Maybe someone else is keeping track. But as PJ mentioned, so far
as PJ was concerned, the accuracy rate thus far is dismal.
Message: #254248, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 1994 9:36:11 AM
Subject: #253754-The Awakening
From: Jack Boyle 70322,2171
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> I don't think that fear is an item that is necessarily
controlled by life experience. One could argue that the longer
one lives, and the more terrible things we see and hear about,
it would increase fear. Fear is very personal, and I suspect it
is different for each person. <<
I guess my feeling is that in order to learn how to control
fear, one must at least know what fear is, and perhaps even
experience it. I believe fear IS very personal and different for
each of us; the things my son fears would seem silly to us
grown-ups. In 2.1 years, he will be 3.6 years old. Right now, he
appears only to fear lima beans. I hope this won't be held
against him.
>> The children of the world are, I think, special and innocent.
<<
Do you think there will be different rules (regarding fear)
applied to children at the time of Rapture? Or perhaps, if they
are a reflection of their parents, that their fates will be
identical? Maybe the children will be the ONLY ones saved!
>> In the next two years, you can teach your kids to use fear
productively and to control it. <<
In the next two years, I'll be lucky to teach my son to use his
bladder and control it! :-)
Jack
Message: #254345, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 1994 1:35:12 PM
Subject: #254187-Angels in California?
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
>>Maybe someone else is keeping track. But as PJ mentioned, so
far as PJ was concerned, the accuracy rate thus far is dismal.
<<
Well, we shouldn't forget one little earthquake prediction made
three hours before the event on 4/12/94 - by yours
truly.
Bob
Message: #254346, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 1994 1:35:15 PM
Subject: #254248-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Jack Boyle 70322,2171
Jack:
Re: Lima beans. You obviously haven't introduced the kid to the
wonders
of liver yet.
At this moment in time, nearly all the souls that have ever
lived are
now alive, here, at the same time. When that number hits 100%
the Rapture will occur. Man has been on this planet a very long
time and the soul
inside of that little body is as old and experienced as your
own.
I suspect that the vast majority of kids alive at that moment in
time
will be those automatically exempt, in particular the real
little guys.
I wouldn't worry about it.
Bob
Message: #254494, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 1994 7:53:23 PM
Subject: #253060-Gray Defense
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
Re: your addressing the post to both of us-
Excuse me Bob, but I signed my post Sara. Shannon would not
have posted speculation about spirituality. He only had a
passing intrest in UFOs when he met me. Actually, I'm mainly
pointing this out because there is so much confusion about which
gender Shannon is. His mother might as well have named him Sue.
>>Expanded mental facilties open the door to many things that
are commonly
mistaken for spiritual affairs. What if higher intellect and the
soul
are actually the same thing?<<
Indeed. Higher intellect, higher self, fundamental nature are
all valid descriptions of soul.
>>contact with our higher mental abilities would produce an
emotional
response that would seem spiritual only because we aren't
accustomed
to using them.<<
This seems like an emotional response to me. You sound
unwilling to face the fact that you are a spiritual being living
in a physical body. Contact with our higher mental abilities
would produce a response that would seem spiritual because it
is. Sara
Message: #255312, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 1994 11:38:14 AM
Subject: #252933-Gray Defense
From: Andrew R Sutcliffe 100317,2245
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob!
Same appologies for late reply as went to Robert & Alain - It's
been a busy week!
Thankyou for your reply. It has answered some of my questions &
promoted a few more. So here we go...
>>You get 'good' responses by asking intelligent and relevant
questions. Baiting does not get you a good post - least of all
from me.<<
I thought your last post _was_ good. Intelligence is relevant
however.
>>1. Dimensional doorway through a wall with an accompanying
'tractor'
beam that levitates you out of the bed and thru the wall.
2. Using similar gear in their jumpsuits, they walk thru the
wall,
pick u up and carry you out.<<
These are the things that I find really fascinating about the
whole abduction phenomena, the means by which the end is
achieved. See my reply to RLT for more on this if you wish.
>> In reverse engineering the logic of the event, we noticed
that they
always chose walls, or sections of walls, that did not have
wiring
in it.<<
Do they ever come via the floor? (again this is relevant to my
comms with RLT.)
>>Any RF energy moving across a conductive wire will create a
small electric charge - thus diminishing the amount of energy
reaching its intended target.<<
So you are saying that they use Radio waves (RF energy) to
counter gravity _&_ transport a human being through a solid (to
us) object.
>> Also, I have speculated that as we shoot a light beam to
project
an image on a 2 dimensional surface - it is reasonable they
can
shoot a beam on a 3 dimensional surface providing a
dimensional door.
In doing so, they must rotate reality 90 degrees. Any other
item
capable of interfering with the balance required by that
doorway,
would destabilize the beam.<<
I note that this is just speculation but would RF energy resuult
in reality being rotated through 90 degs? Is there a book with
more on this in that I might find in the library?
>> This because the tractor can not function through the wiring
now surrounding my bed.<<
What is the size of the largest/smallest opening in your shield?
>> The induction of any magnetic energy into the room causes the
needle to spin furiously.<<
Only if it is an oscillating magnetic field. A static magnetic
field would only have a momentary effect whilst the needle
re-aligned itself in it's 'new' composite field.
I have tried a slightly different approach to this.
Place an infra red emitter above the needle such that the needle
_completely_ blocks the light.
Place an IR detector (or photo-transistor) underneath the
needle, directly under the emitter. Thus even a slight movement
of the needle will allow the IR through & this can be detected &
used to sound a warning, start a video camera or whatever.
>> The second rendition is simply a slight variation of number
one.
Instead, they send a team of Grays thru your wall, pick u up and
haul
you outside where they use the beam on you.<<
How do they get the greys through the wall? Wouldn't the mesh
suits they wear stop the tractor beam energy working on them?
What is there to stop the greys sneaking in when you are asleep
& reaching through the shield to knock you out & then taking
down the shield?
>>How it puts us to sleep is a matter for speculation as the
technology is beyond ours.<<
Beyond ours & yet so simple to defeat. Maybe their physics is
not that far beyond ours but merely a little more accurate?
Newtonian physics once reigned supreme - Now look what happened
after Einstein.
>>You ascribe great investigative abilties to the power company
that exceeds their purpose in life. The individual in question
did not
inform them of the event with the ufo. Common sense.<<
Common sense? How so ?
>> The only relevant question is whether or not the user
actually consumed the amount of electricity indicated by the
meter. To be sure, the first thing they would check is the meter
- as it is the measuring device. <<
Maybe. But this _could_ be a great source of info. She could
have made enquiries like
Does this sort of thing happen often?
Did anyone else around here have the same problem?
Do you find that this sort of thing happens in waves
(periodically)?
See where I'm going?
>>Andrew, you would find it useful to use more logic in
forumlating
your queries and speculations. You will not be able to deal with
this
subject matter if you don't.<<
Remember Star Trek ?? Whan faced with something that did not fit
the current mould, Mr. Spock, with his logical mind would answer
"That is illogical, Captain". It was the human _feeling_ (or
intuition) by Kirk, McCoy, Scotty etc that often gave us the
answers.
Maybe it is my wording that confuses.
>>Your subsequent statement that the 'abduction question' falls
into the arena of unproveable is as incorrect as the premise
that it is built upon. You use one irrational statement to build
the illogical conclusion that abductions have not been proven.
Your arguement fails on all points.<<
Have they been proven _beyond ALL reasonable doubt_ ? I think
not. I have asked a number of people that if they were in court
& someone accused of murder gave in thier defence that they were
with aliens (interplanetary or interdimensional) at the time of
the event - Would this be accepted by them? How many out of 20
asked would accept that without question as a factual aliby
(sp?)?
>>The observations of hundreds of thousands of abductees
constitutes
proof by the terms of the scientific method.<<
So it has been with Elvis sightings.
>>It is illogical to argue with minds that are unable or
incapable of rational thought. Ergo, one does not cast pearls
before swine.<<
Quite!
>>Mesh will intercept a moving wave of any frequency and will
convert it
into simple electricity that can be grounding out.<<
RUBBISH! (and you accused me of talking illogically & without
due reference material!)
It will ONLY affect a RF wave of certain frequency according to
the size of the appature in the 'wiring'. It will not effect
magnetic waves. Nor gravitational waves (if you choose to
believe that gravity is a wave).
It won't effect waves of charged particals _on it's own_.
For electricity to be 'grounded' it needs a path to ground.
otherwise only energy conversion takes place (conservation of
energy). This means heat, in the case of the mesh.
>>Are you an abductee or simply a voyeur?<<
That is something that I prefer to leave to another time.
Suffice to say that I have seen UFO's on more than one occasion,
have nightmares about them (always based around my parents
house, funnily enough) have precognotive (SP?) dreams & what
some _may_ describe as screen memories (especially from the age
of twelve). I do not ever recall meeting aliens.
Nor being abducted.
Andrew.
Message: #254764, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 1994 9:53:02 AM
Subject: #253256-The Awakening
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
re: Nordics
<>
Perhaps this would explain the almsot obsession many people have
with blond, blue-eyed women or men ! They have had us over a
barrel for millions of years ! Perhaps we're too attracted to
them to resist !
WW
Message: #254762, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 1994 9:53:22 AM
Subject: The Awakening
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #254897 (1 reply)
re: Awakening
Hey Bob ! Excellent information and post !
You went to Colorado and discovered (rediscovered ?) the site !
You certainly are gutsy after having had those experiences you
told us about.
You got me interested in just what is IN your book. Does that
offer via sending you a disk still hold ?
Does the 'Cosmic Conspiracy' or ' Vindicator Scrolls' evidence
anything you've told us ? (if you've read those books they
parallel a number of things you've spoken about, esp the 'free
will ' aspect !).
re: Armageddon 2.1 years
Hmm, interesting. It predates some predictions and postdates
others. So you're saying we should look for the actual Rapture
to happen in August of 1996 ? What if enough people pray to have
this averted ? You say the Noshaimus rspect free will. If we ask
them to stop this, protect us, etc would they not do so ?
re: all higher emotions eminate from the soul.
Hmm, is it any wonder that so many 'alternative' religions
predicate themselves on love - spiritual love - as being what
will make a difference ? Hmmm....
You kinda left out particulars on how one 'accepts' help - mind
elaborating ?
Thanks !
WW
Message: #254897, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 1994 3:40:05 PM
Subject: #254762-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421 (received)
Wayne:
Yes on the disk.
No, I don't read many books.
Armageddon is happening now. Rapture in 2.1 years.
No the Noshaimus will not stop Armageddon and for a variety of
good
reasons.
We have been cut off from the source for the last 200,000 years.
This
was not because of anything we as a species did but as a result
of the
Lucifer rebellion. Had this event not occurred, mankind would
have
evolved substanially differently than we have. They withheld
judgement on Lucifer's and Satan's crime for this period of
time. Judgement will
be rendered in 1999. At that time, actions will be taken to
rectify
the damage done.
Re: Free will.
The choice to do good or bad is always within the realm of an
individual's free will. No one can force their choices upon you.
Those
who continually do ill as a persistent choice become so damaged
as to
be unsalvagable. Armaggedon is the sorting out of those who are
able
to advance, those who might be salvagable in time, and those who
are
beyond hope.
Prayer will achieve nothing. These are not dieties and they do
not
demand your subservience. However, by expanding your mental
functions
you can communicate with them AND they you. Had it not been for
the rebellion, we would have had a physical, observable, angelic
presence here all the time, and belief would never have been an
issue. However,
as Satan and Lucifer both are still at large, it was deemed
necessary
to limit the area of damage by disconnecting the communication
capabilities. Since then, everything has been handled in an
indirect
manner by personal emissary thus avoiding use of the com
devices.
These people never want to establish religion and went to great
lengths
to convince those they came in contact with that they were not
God.
Only Satan, used that device and that lie. It is true that those
who
know love will avoid hate and those who do good will avoid evil.
Perhaps the greatest error of all was the premise upon which we
are
founded. Democracy does not work in the long run. Obedience to
the
universe would have provided stability, the opportunity for
growth and
advancement. In contrast the deification of the individual
produced
endless wars over resources, conflicts over property and
ideologigies
and corruption at every level of every government with each
individual
yelling ME! ME! ME!. The philosophy of ME allows no prospect for
an
awareness of anything greater or better than the individual.
Such was
the cause and impetus of the Lucifer Rebellion and you are the
victim
of that arrogant endeavor based upon Lucifer's demand that HIS
individuals rights were greater than the trust to nurture his
worlds.
We are the living proof of that error.
Bob
Message: #255337, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 1994 1:07:25 PM
Subject: #253437-Falling Out of Bed
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
People often assume that because I have a benevolent view of
aliens that I havn't been 'mistreated'. I have a typical scoop
mark on my leg and I had a pregnency disappear. I don't hold
the lack of compassion against the aliens who did these things.
You said>>it is illogical to apply different standards of
behavior for aliens
and humans.<< You also campared the way they treat us
(different species) to the way we treat lab rats (different
species). Sounds to me like they are using the same standard of
behavior as we are. Maybe our behavior twords other animanls is
precisely why we get treated the way we do. Sara
Message: #255595, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 12:16:30 AM
Subject: The Awakening
From: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Where does this old warrior have to report? Where in Colorado?
What kind of rations should I bring (how long a wait?) & where
do I get my ticket to ride & a chance to exercise my free will?
Been waiting a long time for the event....looking for a chance
to do some good. I'm an odd combination...warrior and healier.
Spirit is willing, but the reflexes are slower than they used to
be. I'm better now than I was when I was faster though. Scar
tissue can make you smarter, if you are willing to learn. I
passed thru fear a while back, and am ready to enlist.
Steve
Message: #255794, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 12:18:18 PM
Subject: #254897-The Awakening
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262
re: disk
Address again, please !
re: Armageddon now
It sure seems like the changes are taking place ! Those
announcing 'earth changes' are in the allpark but seem to be
'off taret' a bit. Perhaps that goes with having to remember
things are 'backwards' from the psychic side when bringing
through predictions.
re: Noshaimus not stopping Armageddon
This _really_ sounds VERY similar to the book 'Cosmic
Conspiracy' by Deyo. This scenario mirrors much of what he wrote
down - not that I'm saying you are paraphrasing him - but it is
interesting the truth is starting to come out more...
re: Free Will
I guess that goes along with responsibility. If you make
responsible choices you are not 'part of the problem'. Wonder if
the Noshaimus will be able to fill the boats with all those on
the planet... Wonder if there will be enough room ?
re: expansion of mental functions
Wonderd why there has been such an exponential surge in that
lately...
re: democracy doesn't work
What would you call a society of intelligent beings who were
responsible for themselves and there actions ? Those who act for
their own and the remainder of society's good ?
Hopefully those who are responsibly acting individuals are not
'proof of the error' ? Are we those or are we actually part of
the 'problem' ? If so then I don't think we will be allowed to
be part of the solution...
WW
Message: #256031, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 8:42:27 PM
Subject: #255312-Gray Defense
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Andrew R Sutcliffe 100317,2245
Re: Intelligence.
Mine is not relative. Your's has yet to be determined.
Re: Coming thru the floor.
No, they do not.
Re: RF energy.
A bad choice of terms. ANY magetic energy crossing a wire will
produce
a small electrical charge. I did not mean to imply Radio
Frequency
as they address only a very small portion of the frequency band
available. However, as we lack a better term, it'll have to do.
Therefore, dimensional interaction is achieved by manipulating
energy
(magnetic).
Re: Rotating Reality 90 degrees.
1. Yes there are books on the subject.
2. We know thru theoretical mathematics that rotating magnetic
reality
90 degrees would open a doorway to the next dimension.
Re: Opening in the shield.
I have the openings in the shield, down on the surface of the
mattress
confined to 3 foot by 2 foot. It does not provide an opening
sufficent
to move my 3 D carcass thru the wires without hitting a wire. As
this
appears to be a destabilizing factor, they don't do it.
Re: Oscillating field.
I have no information on the subject. It suffices that my
experiement
achieved results. The logic of 'how' it happened remains mildly
speculative. It is enough that the conclusions drawn have had
the
desired results. I am not being abducted.
Re: Adaptive alarm switch.
I too have played with this idea. I noted that after my gizmo
tripped
two times, they quit using the wall beam. I assume they saw the
device
and figured it's purpose. From this point on, I received
personal
visits by Grays. I am uncertain that there is enough energy in
the
room to trip a switch. The only reasonable trap that could be
laid would
be to put the detecting equipment under the run and around the
entire flooring. As they never entrance through the floor, it
might be
feasible.
Re: Grays, sheild and walls.
You misunderstand. The purpose of the tractor beam is to
preclude
sending Grays in. Therefore, Grays do not enter in conjuction
with the
beam but INSTEAD OF the beam.
Re: What's to keep them from knocking me out?
1. They have dimensional shifting equipment built into their
portable
gear.
2. While you can observe the effects of their presence and even
smell
them, you can't see them.
3. As they are dimensionally shifted, they would have to drop
their
sheilding to get through the wires on the shield. Ie: they'd
have
to go 3D. Doing so makes them visible and handleable. They do
not,
will not, assume this risk.
In cases where they do go in and get you, they do knock you
out,
pick u up and haul you off BUT they are 4D while they do it.
Re: Common Sense
If you can't understand why someone would be disinclined to yell
UFO!
at the power company - there's nothing I can say that will help
you.
Re: Does it happen often?
I don't know. I am not a ufo researcher and don't collect that
data.
Re: Logic
Your examples of emotional readings by Kirk or McCoy does not
justify
an irrational approach to ufos. I will repeat myself. This is
not a
subject you can address by any other means than logic and
rational thinking. If you can not or will not avail yourself of
these tools,
you are performing mental masturbation. You think something is
happening
but all you end up with is a mess.
Re: Proven to the degree a court would accept?
You blew it on this one buddy. You're talking to a man with over
400
hours in court rooms, much of it as an expert witness. What you
THINK
on the subject is irrelevant and immaterial as you have no
evidence to
support your thoughts. I will tell you this, I COULD MAKE A CASE
for the
existence of ufos by the standards of logic required by a court.
These
standards would hold for either civil or criminal. Again, you
use
irrational logic to support irrational opinions - none of which
have
any foundation in fact. I will agree that NO ONE WILL EVER
CONVINCE
a closed mind of anything. Such a mind refuses to accept logic
as a
tool of anything but might even refer to emotional examples like
Kirk
and McCoy to support arguements why emotions are a better
analytical
tool than logic. As far as your speculations on who would accept
an
alibi (misspelled), I submit you don't have the knowledge or
experience
to even know what constitutes a legal alibi.
Re: Elvis sightings.
Your flippant comment indicates an immature mind who does not
care to
deal with the subject seriously. Therefore, this will be my last
post
to you.
Your statement that mesh will intercept a RF wave but not a
magnetic
wave and further pontification that the subject as RUBBISH. I'd
point out to you that an RF wave IS A MAGNETIC WAVE. Your
science is unsound,
without foundation, and inaccurate. Have you seen Elvis lately?
The End
Message: #256029, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 8:42:06 PM
Subject: #255794-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
Reply: #256117 (1 reply)
Wayne:
I pointed out in my book that there can only be one truth on a
given
subject. It follows that the seekers of that truth will cross
paths
in the effort.
Re: Filling the boats. No problem.
Re: Expanded mental functions.
As A-Day approaches, the collective subconscious of man
(recognizing
the danger) will kick into overdrive. We are all connected and
are
all in the same boat together.
Re: Democracy
Democracy as it exists in the United States is a function
controlled
principally by liberals. Liberalism produces a uniform standard
of
mediocrity in the name of equality. It penalizes those who
produce
in favor of those who don't. It is morally degrading and based
on the
concept that those who breed the most get all the power even if
they
are not best suited to have it. The United States was not
originally
founded on the principal of one man - one vote. But rather, upon
the
idea that some people were and others weren't. When the state of
the
nation is determined solely by the breeding habits of
individuals, one
must note (with some sadness) that the least educated and the
least
prepared to rule generally out breed their productive
counterparts on
a ratio of 4 to 1. The universe is structured more like a caste
system
that allows upward mobility. There are no free rides.
Bob
Message: #256117, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 10:51:28 PM
Subject: #256029-The Awakening
From: Laralyn McWilliams 71612,2733
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #256196 (1 reply)
Re: ...the least educated and the least prepared to rule
generally out-breed their productive counterparts...
a) Just because someone is uneducated and unprepared does NOT
mean they are least prepared to rule. Don't confuse education
with intelligence, or intelligence with superiority.
b) The modern concept of America -- and humanism -- is that a
person is not less valuable simply because he doesn't wear a
suit, or live in the suburbs. America has strayed from the
work-ethic, and I agree that we need to stress that more. BUT,
on the other hand, many of the people admired in America didn't
work that hard for their money, or came upon it dishonestly. In
America, good looks or wealth are the primary qualities we seem
to require in leaders, and I'm not sure that's any more valuable
than anything else.
The bottom line is that yes, democracy does penalize those who
produce in favor of those who don't. Treating everyone equally
-- even the "unproductive" -- guarantees that when YOU or I are
injured and unable to work, we receive the same voting,
employment, and civil rights as those who wear those silly
suits.
Message: #256196, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 11, 1994 2:04:19 AM
Subject: #256117-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Laralyn McWilliams 71612,2733 (received)
Reply: #256292 (1 reply)
Laralyn:
Thank you for your reply. I could not have provided a better
example
of liberal thought.
"Just because someone is uneducated does not mean they are
prepared to
rule".
Can you see an illiterate person representing us in the United
Nations, or Congress or in the Presidency. If a person is
unwilling to avail himself of the educational opportunities
present in this country, you
propose him qualified to rule it? Your logic proves my point
that
liberalism promotes a standardized mediocrity as the liberal
system
would promote the ignorant to high levels of power.
You promote the ideal of 'humanism' and individual values. It is
not
the constitutional perogative of the government to control or
promote
values. It's function is to control certain administrative
functions
necessary to make the country work. The liberal control has
redefined
that purpose to include social engineering where the most
competitent
are penalized for their achievements and the least competitent
are
rewarded for their lack of social contributions. You concede
this
later point. Ergo, if one is to use logic as the determining
factor,
liberalism destroys incentive, rewards non productivity and
elevates
those least competent to levels of power because it is the
'human and caring' thing do. Liberalism destroys people and
countries.
You end with that age old liberal line. Yes we penalize those
who produce because, after all - they didn't earn it they stole
it. The rallying
cry of every miscontent, incompetent and wart that has ever
grown on
society's backside.
Why is this relevant to the ufo forum?
The universe has a concept that is not found in the liberal
philosophy.
It is called 'responsibility'. The typical liberal stays up
nights thinking up new excuses for his failures and usually
placing the blame
on the rich folks who stole all their money. The universe does
not
recognize corrupt philosophies and demands that each take
responsibility for their own actions.
Those wishing to make the cut at the Rapture, will have done
this.
Those who don't - won't.
Take it for what it's worth friends.
Bob
Message: #256292, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 11, 1994 8:45:02 AM
Subject: #256196-The Awakening
From: Laralyn McWilliams 71612,2733
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob, you make the assumption that everyone in America *has*
equal educational opportunities. That's fundamentally untrue.
Someone from inner city St. Louis or rural Georgia -- whatever
his grades -- doesn't have half the chance of getting into
Harvard as I had, and I had a much lower chance to get in than
someone who could afford a private school. If the class system
were entirely based on work ethic, and if we could balance it
out so that your initial chances were equal, then I'd be behind
you all the way. And even though our educational system and
employment system *are* very unbalanced (statistics show that,
in equal situations involving equal work and equal education,
women and blacks make considerably less than white men, to the
tune of the average salary of a woman with a master's degree
making less than a man with a high school diploma!), I still
agree that to a large extent, you get out of life what you put
into it. Everyone's life is a struggle for *something*, be it
money, education, or dignity.
But you see far to eager to lump folks with similar opinions
into a single group, Bob. You say, "The typical liberal stays up
nights thinking up new excuses for his failures and usually
placing the blame on the rich folks who stole all their money."
I certainly hope you don't put me in that group. I've worked for
everything I've ever had, and I continue to work two jobs
because I want to succeed. And I don't think rich people "stole"
my money -- their money is just that, *their* money. As long as
they have to follow the same laws as everyone else, it's their
business/burden to deal with their money. It's dangerous to
operate under stereotypes, but I see that a lot in your post,
both about the poor/uneducated and about the "liberal" (although
I'm not sure I belong in that category, really). You could just
as easily say that the wealthy or the "conservative" person is
interested in bettering his lot in life regardless of the effect
on others, and that he will use every unfair advantage he has
(better educational and medical opportunities, etc.) to improve
his lot further. Sure, I think there are some people like that
out there, just like there are some people who prefer to take
welfare than work, or prefer to sell drugs rather than go to
high school. Each person is equally bad, in my eyes, because
they feed eachother's actions. But to say that every
conservative fits that mold is incorrect, just as it is to say
that every poor person is lazy.
Message: #256030, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 8:42:09 PM
Subject: #255337-Falling Out of Bed
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Sara:
Let's make a deal. As you're one who finds benevolent points of
views
to the things being done to you, I'd like to throw my hat in the
ring.
I've never had the opportunity or desire to engage in the sorts
of
behaviors you find unstandable and even acceptable, therefore,
I'd like
to know when you would find it agreeable for ME to perform these
same
acts on you.
It ought to be an interesting experience.
Bob
Message: #255995, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 7:20:20 PM
Subject: The Awakening
From: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #256028 (1 reply)
Bob,
in reference to your post: <>
What is the possibility that the Noshaimus are in with the
Nordics and are playing good cop, bad cop to make the first
billion an entree before they dine on the 4 billion as a main
course? How can the contact with the Noshaimus be made to check
them out? Once you are aboard the ship it will be rather tough
to back out if they prove to be in cahoots with the Nordics.
Any relavant thoughts?
Steve
Message: #256028, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 10, 1994 8:42:00 PM
Subject: #255995-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Steve Quinn 70252,3563
Steven:
Re: Noshaimus/Nordic joint venture.
It is not even a possibility.
The difference between Noshaimus and Nordic principally centers
on the
possession of a soul. The Nordics have none, and are barbarous.
A biblical analogy would be the Nordic Satan to the Noshaims
God.
Bob
Message: #256347, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 11, 1994 1:52:27 PM
Subject: #256292-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Laralyn McWilliams 71612,2733 (received)
Reply: #256398 (1 reply)
Laralyn:
No I don't make the assumption that all things are equal. It is
the
liberal who assumes that all things SHOULD be equal and seeks to
establish some arbitrary system for making this come about. For
instance,
you cite unequal eductional opportunities. Why not cite the real
inequity? Intelligence is genetic. What you have to work with is
what
you were born with. How unfair. Perhaps we should execute those
born
with too many smarts so that we can find some numerical balance
that
would make things fair. I am not being sarcastic. Today there is
a
motion before Congress to put racial quotas on executions
because it
isn't fair that more black murderers are executed over other
races.
A basic education is available to all levels of society
regardless
of where you were born at. Granted, those with money buy better
situations. Perhaps you should have been prohibited from
entering Harvard as it was not fair you had the money to pay the
tuition AND had the
brains to do the work.
No you aren't what I call the 'robber baron' liberal who claims
everyone
else stole their money. I'd rank you in the 'guilty liberal' who
feels
bad you got yours but others haven't. According to liberal
dictates, if u
don't feel this way you are 'insensitive' and elitist.
My original point was that liberalism produces a uniform
standard of
mediocrity. In as much as no one can increase the intelligence
of an
individual the only other option is to decrease the standards
thus insuring the less qualified individual can enjoy the
benefits of the work he can not perform.
In the beginning of affirmatative action, Harvard set aside a
number of
places for minority students and admission testing was waived.
Most flunked out in the first six months, a few didn't. However,
those positions deprived qualified applicants of their right to
a higher education. Ie: Lower standard and the expense of those
who can do.
I agree - we should kill all white men. Would this make things
equal enough for u? Your typical white male is more aggressive,
more motivated and willing to work hours and do things that
'most' women are not willing to do. This fact is reflected in
the numbers of stressed out women who
are entering menopause early (stress related) and suffering
other illnesses.
You cite that it's dangerous to use stereotypes. I use them
because
THEY WORK 90+% of the time. You use a variant of the stereotype
the statistic. It's the same thing assuming the typing is done
without bias.
Again, my point here is one of responsibility. Taking it for
yourself, and expecting that others take it for themselves. As
to the inequities of intelligence etc. - each to their own
abilities. There's a place at the table for everyone who's
willing to earn their right to be there.
Armageddon is a judgement day scenario. I was amazed to discover
the
criteria for making the cut isn't how holy you are, whether your
go to
church or any of the the common religious beliefs we were
brought up on.
The conquest of fear is the central issue and responsibility is
a
related adjunct.
Bob
Message: #256398, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 11, 1994 4:05:17 PM
Subject: #256347-The Awakening
From: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob and Laralyn,
The thread has evolved into a confrontation of philosophies.
Before it gets any more heated, please remember that this
section of the forum is not to discuss/debate these. Please
swing the subject back on topic, or take this thread elsewhere
for discussion.
Thanks
Message: #256602, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 11, 1994 10:31:18 PM
Subject: #256029-The Awakening
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262
re: disk
Need your address !
re:filling the 'boats' no problem
Oh, oh ! Us lesser mental types may be in trouble ! There might
not be any room when the real smarties show up and get on !
re: expanded mental functions for mankind
All RIGHT! It would be about time !!!!
re: 'Democracy' in the U.S.
I certainly agree with you more. I find it hard to believe that
when the liberals get outnumbered by the 'breeders' that there
will not be a 'tyranny of the majority'. Then guess who gets the
short end of the stick. Only hope is that Armageddon - in some
form - arrives....
Message: #256680, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 12, 1994 2:09:07 AM
Subject: #256398-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob P./UFOLOGY 75310,3312
Bob P
I addressed the relevancy in the post. I am not yet heated but
will see
if I can work up some passion.
Bob
Message: #256681, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 12, 1994 2:09:09 AM
Subject: #256602-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
Al:
8707-D Lindley #125
Northridge, CA 91325
Bob
Message: #256981, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 12, 1994 8:44:16 PM
Subject: #256030-Falling Out of Bed
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob, I am applying a different standard of behavior to aliens.
You are an Earthling. It's the same as if I were a Dolphin and
you were a scientist. I wouldn't hold your treatment of me
against you. Sara
Message: #257468, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 13, 1994 7:54:25 PM
Subject: #256347-The Awakening
From: Fred Lapides 75142,3651
To: westbrook 71705,262
right on wes. Lelts bump off the bright folks. And make room
for the abstractionists like you and me. Wha;t the hell are we
talking about? Have yoiu worked with your hands for a living?
Have you been in the trenches? etc. Mao was right. Send the
intellelcts to the rice paddies so they can learn about those
they talk about and screw over and exploit. No, not everyone was
born alike. But when you go into the army for your country and
die or get wounded all are alike, except those who have
connections and get okut of serving.
Message: #257466, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 13, 1994 7:51:04 PM
Subject: #256196-The Awakening
From: Fred Lapides 75142,3651
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #257576 (2 replies)
West...all the nonsense yoiu are spouting. How much govt money
do you take, have you taken, will you take? Without the govt
and the liberal policies since the 1930s this country would have
gone under. The values you put forth are those that corrupt,
spoil, etc. I am for the individual etc. but without
constraints, your biz guys are thieves. I know. I was one.
Message: #257135, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 13, 1994 12:59:28 AM
Subject: #256981-Falling Out of Bed
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Sara:
So, I take it I'm not invited to abuse you. What a bigot! How
do you
know that their abuse is necessarily better than my abuse. I'm a
quick
learner.
Bob
Message: #257680, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 14, 1994 2:00:23 AM
Subject: Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
(to Sara) <>
Abuse comes in a lot of forms. *Aliens* could, *maybe,* make
her a victim. *You* could, *definitely,* make her BELIEVE she
was one. As a hypnotist I'm a little hazy on the end resultant
difference.
PJ
Message: #258338, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 2:20:28 AM
Subject: #257468-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Fred Lapides 75142,3651
Fred:
I'll agree that a bullet is the most non discriminatory thing on
earth.
Once fired, it cares not who it hits.
I am not an abstractionist. I prefer to think of myself as a
pragmatic idealist. The ideals serve no purpose, however, if
they don't work.
Bob
Message: #258339, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 2:20:30 AM
Subject: #257609-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert L. Anello 73144,1445 (received)
Robert:
I wouldn't think of sending a Gray after Fred. He's entitled to
his
opinion. Likewise, he's entitled to be wrong
Each to his own ability.
Bob
Message: #258337, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 2:20:27 AM
Subject: #257466-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Fred Lapides 75142,3651
Conservatives are thiefs?
Fascinating. I've never collected welfare, never received free
medical
services, pay my taxes and derive no sustinence from government
in any
way or form. Instead, it is the other way around. Government
feeds off
of me and takes my hard earned money to benefit those will serve
no
useful function in society.
Guess one of us should start looking for a new planet to move
to.
I'll be first to volunteer.
Bob
Message: #258336, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 2:20:24 AM
Subject: #257680-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075 (received)
Reply: #258370 (3 replies)
PJ:
I've attempted to use absurdity to illustrate the point. Does
the tree
make a sound when it falls in the forest if no one is there to
hear it?
Obviously yes. However, the ability of the Nordics to blitz
short term
memory AS WELL AS to install memories and feelings contrary to
those
of the actual event. In my own abduction in 1963, I did not feel
it
was a bad experience. However, once I relived the encounter via
hypnosis, I discovered that what I believed and what actually
occur
were worlds apart. The question becomes, at what price the
truth?
I'd suggest you consider that you explore the possibility, your
attitudes
on this may not be entirely your own. Certainly the lack of
logic in
how you would apply human abuse against alien abuse shows a
clear lack
of focus. Abuse is abuse regardless of where it comes from or
the
pretext which is used to deliver it.
Bob
Message: #258370, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 4:25:15 AM
Subject: #258336-Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<< In my own abduction in 1963, I did not feel it was a bad
experience. However, once I relived the encounter via
hypnosis, I discovered that what I believed and what actually
occur were worlds apart. The question becomes, at what price the
truth? >>
Yeah, well, that's exactly the point Bob, and thanks for that
insight. Your hypnotist may have been worse for you than any
alien. UFO magazine did a recent issue on that very subject, in
fact, of the role of hypnosis in all these memories and the
interpretations and emotional results of the sessions. (It took
my friend, a hypnotist and asst. editor of the mag, months to
finally get this topic addressed. And she was not overly
popular as a result, I assume.)
You have no trouble assuming that aliens are killing your short
term memory and implanting memories into your brain, but you
don't consider that hypnosis is the tool of choice for altering
memories (as well as reaction to memories). You love to tell
everybody how irrational *they* are Bob, but this is just such
an obvious point I don't see how you can overlook it.
PJ
Message: #258372, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 4:34:09 AM
Subject: #258336-Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<>
Thanks, good idea. I was probably abducted by aliens and
brainwashed. That would explain the inability of my now
overstressed neural circuits to buy into any theory which I feel
assumes victimization, including that 'anybody stupid enough to
think they're NOT being victimized is obviously just DOUBLY
victimized because they've had their memories wiped and then
were BRAINWASHED into thinking they WEREN'T.'
This is a convenient perspective, as it of course eliminates all
other viewpoints as "obviously brainwashed into believing
something different than what I do."
On the other hand, perhaps *I* am an alien, or part alien, which
explains my terrible attempts to help brainwash the humans on
this planet into thinking that maybe experience can be what they
make it, they/we don't know enough to assume on possible
motivations and reasons, and that nothing is gained for an
individual by their just assuming they are a victim -- of
anything. I"m probably spreading disinformation in my local
neighborhood even as you read.
Actually, it occurs to me that the foregoing is going to come
off as hostility-humor when actually it just seems humorous to
me. It's 2:35am and I"m half brain dead (those worn out neural
circuits, you know), so if this seems rude I apologize, I'm
always a lousy job at "how things will go over" at about this
hour.
PJ <--- always tempted, just by your extreme position on
things, to joke, "I have to go to sleep now, so they can come
and take my eggs."
Message: #258373, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 4:35:25 AM
Subject: #258336-Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<< Certainly the lack of logic in how you would apply human
abuse against alien abuse shows a clear lack of focus. >>
I think you're thinking of the thread with Sara/Shannon Smith.
PJ
Message: #258473, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 10:52:08 AM
Subject: #258337-The Awakening
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
>>pay my taxes and derive no sustinence from government in any
way or form.
You drive on roads and bridges built with your tax-dollars.
You are protected from invasion by the US military with your tax
dollars.
You are protected from outright anarchy in the streets by
police, paid for with your tax dollars.
If you went to public school, or your children do, they are
educated with your tax dollars.
These are a few examples of benefits you derive, and may sound
like little relative to your contribution. Additionally, this
is only a small portion of how your total tax dollar is spent
(most going to international bankers, the Illuminati
(woo..woo..let's all get paranoid and scared. ) via the
national debt. Most social programs certainly don't affect you
either.
I only stated the above to point out you do get, just a little
tinsy personal benefit from your taxes. It's one of the main
reasons I insist on sending my children to public school, since
I paid for it already.
John
Message: #258766, S/10 Soc./Politics/Media
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 9:31:09 PM
Subject: #258473-The Awakening
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (deletable)
John:
Are you under the impression that if one receives something for
his tax
dollar that he is in the same genre as a 4th generation welfare
receipent? I Pay for the right to use the highways every time I
buy a gallon of gas, (36 cents a gallon) or renew my tags. I pay
excise taxes on the tires on my car. I pay additional taxes
imbedded into the cost of
parts that go on the car. I don't RECEIVE something for nothing.
I receive a service that I paid for.
Social programs do affect me. I get nothing back for my tax
dollar.
While I can pay my taxes and drive on a road, I have no use for
(nor does anyone else) for a chronic welfare recepient. As for
the Illuminati
(Nice name for Nordics) I don't promote paranoia. I promote
solution.
The point here is that there are those who provide and those who
consume. In a conservative society, there is a balance between
the two
ends. In a liberal society, it is weighted in favor of the
consumption,
by those who don't necessarily produce anything except new and
expanded generations of non producing consumers.
An external for wishing to destablize a society would promote
these
negative internal forces. A study of the last days of the Roman
Empire
show the ulitmate decadence of liberalism in the extreme.
Bob
Message: #258769, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 9:31:24 PM
Subject: #258370-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
PJ
Your suggestion that as I underwent hypnosis to regain lost
memory
is an invalid tool is not supported by years of fact. Police
organizations commonly use it to enhance a witnesses memory of a
crime.
Some they felt traumatized by enough they sought to block the
memory.
A point of commonality with ufo victims.
However, to address yourpoint of my perceptions and my two
hypnosis
sessions...
1. The sessions were video taped and I have the tapes.
2. I have created a transcript of these tapes and have examined
them
at length.
3. I am recognized as an expert interrogator. Ie: I know leading
and suggestive questions when I see them. During the sessions
the hypnotist pressed me on points that I did not have
answers
for. To each of these, I said "I don't know".
4. I am convinced, and have the professional standing to have an
opinion
on the subject, that the interrogation was professional. And
no
suggestions were proffered.
Perhaps the most important thing you neglected to mention in
your post
is that there is only one other alternative to hypnosis - drugs.
We have no other methodolgy available for reaching this info.
Should
we forestall our search for the truth another 150 years until
the
technology becomes available to do it electronically? Such a
proposal
is escapist and irrational.
Bob
Message: #258768, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 9:31:18 PM
Subject: #258372-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
A wonderful piece of sarcasim. I take you don't aren't a charter
member
of the Lorainna Bobbit Fan Club of liberal female victims,
currently
targeting any white male available for extermination as a
genetic engineered abuser.
Your witty post balances two extremes choosing to decree one as
nonsense and the other as valid. Specifically..
Your 'belief' of what goes on with your life versus your may-be
suspicions that you have not confirmed nor denied are valid.
Based on
our previous conversations, you indicated you've had experiences
with
Grays since childhood and have even coined a cute childlike name
for them.
The facts, from a myriad of sources, that the extraction of
genetic
material occurs when these cute little guys show up. Memories of
the
encounters vary from benign to nightmarish to no memory at all.
The
later being very common. Never the less, inconsistencies exist
that
cause some people to eventually start looking for answers.
On the other side of the coin we have a belief. Something not
necessarily supported by any fact. Actually, it is more of an
idea - an abstract.
At our own level of technology we know that ideas and beliefs
can be
implanted via suggestion getting people to believe wild things,
like
their father is really the Devil and so on. Is it illogical to
propose
that a species with advanced technology would be able to do the
same thing we can do? The obvious answer is no.
I've said a number of times, the only key available to
understanding
what is going on is logic, deduction and inference. Belief's
become
valid only once they become supportable by something other than
another
belief.
Bob
Message: #258767, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 9:31:11 PM
Subject: #258373-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
PJ
You're right - wrong party. Thanks for the correction.
Bob
Message: #258785, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 15, 1994 10:05:18 PM
Subject: #258768-Victimization
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Westbrook,
Your beliefs are based on your experiences that the rest of us
have not shared. Can you show a little understanding to those of
us who have not been so vividly impacted by this level of
experiential data?
Give me credit for even considering UFOs, abductions, etc.
without ever having had my normal grounded reality challenged in
the least other than from reading books, and accounts of other
persons. (With virtually no supporting evidence.)
I understand how CERTAIN you are about your own experiential
reality. Can you understand how others do not/cannot share that
same level of certainty? And that their questioning does not
necessarily constitue a personal attack on you?
I personally am not yet prepared to assign hardly any physical
literal reality to the abduction phenomena, much less being able
to understand the underlying purpose, methodology, names,
labels, images, and other details you carry with such certainty.
Is it too much to ask for a little understanding on your part
for some who have not shared your same experiences, who are
attempting to reach a personal understanding of the phenomena
and respect for the experiences of those involved?
How do you 'know' of specfic alien races? Motives, motivations,
for all persons involved, even when contradicting reports exist
in literature? What certainty/proof can you share with us? (I
know your own personal experiences must have great vividness for
you personally, but without further elucidantion and evidence,
it means little to the non-experiencer.)
From reading the chapters from your book and your posts, it
seems you continously make statements of 'fact' relative to your
own experiential reality, without offering any supporting
evidence for that world view?
John
Message: #258915, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 16, 1994 12:59:14 AM
Subject: #258768-Victimization
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
Westbrook and PJ
>> A wonderful piece of sarcasim. I take you don't aren't a
charter member
>> of the Lorainna Bobbit Fan Club of liberal female victims,
Before things get more heated, I would recommend staying away
from personally attacking each others.
Alain
Message: #259188, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 16, 1994 11:07:06 AM
Subject: #258768-Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<< A wonderful piece of sarcasim. I take you don't aren't a
charter member of the Lorainna Bobbit Fan Club of liberal female
victims, currently targeting any white male available for
extermination as a genetic engineered abuser. >>
Uh, no, actually, I seem to recall that *I'm* the one supporting
the "non-victim" theory around here!
My brain must be turned off this morning or something, because
your post doesn't seem pointed enough that I can take any given
paragraph and say "he's saying this" and respond... I'm not
totally sure what you're saying in any of it, sorry.
I have a question. Why do you suppose they bother teaching me
language (not a spoken thing; sort of a 4-D geometric-conceptual
thing) or reading (also something totally different than what we
have) or other things I consider fairly benign topics that take
time and effort on their part, if their only goal is to "take
genetic material" from me?? After all, according to your
theories they've already been "taking this material from me for
a long time." (I'm not sure I would refuse them it, even if I
*knew* that's what they were doing, I admit.) They could
continue taking it without bothering to educate me. How would
this "spiritual and educational" scenario that *I* have
experienced fit in with the destructive, traumatic scenario that
*you* have experienced?
PJ
Message: #259391, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 16, 1994 3:59:27 PM
Subject: #259188-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
PJ:
Exactly, you AREN't supporting the idea of victimiation. I
figured one
good piece of sarcasim deserved one good thought provoking
retort.
Apparently it went past Alain as he deemed it assaultive.
Booooooooooo
on Alain.
To answer your question, we are again returning to the subject
of
perceptions. Can you believe your own lying eyes? Answer is,
sometimes you can and sometimes you can't. It presupposes that
your
perceptual appliances have not been altered, modified or
confonded.
Why would they teach? Assuming they have actually taught you
anything,
the question arises as to the purpose. The logic of purpose
demands
that if they teach YOU something THEY will later benefit from
it.
To put this into the proper perspective (and it is not intended
as an
insult Alain), Why would you teach your dog not to mess the
carpet?
These are arrogant people who view us as little better than
insects.
IF there were any respect for us at all, they would ASK for what
they
wanted. However, as we don't ask the lab rat if it's okay to
experiment
with it, they don't ASK us.
As for why you feel this is a spiritual experience, there are
two
possibilities. First, you've been told so and while in the
highly
suggestive state, you believe it. The second, is that you
possess one
very neat protective device between your ears - the
subconscious.
When you see something that you can't handle, it filters and
modifys
the subject generating imagery you can handle.
Example: one lady I've met here on cis, recalls her sighting of
the
craft (right before her abduction) as a big black bird. It was
too
freaky for her to recall it as a ufo, so her mind generated a
safer
image until such time as she's ready (if ever) to address it for
what
it really was.
I've met two women here who have had fetus's taken from them in
the
first trimester, one of them several times. This is the end
product
of the prodcedures being implimented on us. The birth of
hybrids.
I've wondered exactly how the procedure works for taking the egg
from
a woman. With me, they simply cut me open. This would be the
logical
approach with a female, although I really don't know.
Next time you go in for a pap, have your md check out the
uterine lining
for evidence of birth. One of these ladies had evidence of
mulitple
births although she herself has never delivered. There are
really
only two possibilities here. You're an egg donor or a breeder or
both.
I'm going to upload a chapter on Satanism and ufos. It will be
filed
under the search word Satan/Satanism. We currently have a
phenomena
where people are having false memories and are accusing parents
and
relatives of Satanic practices even though there never is any
physical
evidence. This is the antithesis of your experience. Both,
however,
have points of commonality. Both are unsubstaniated beliefs.
Both
are extreme.
On a personal note PJ, I'm short cute and avaiable.
Bob
Message: #259449, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 16, 1994 6:35:11 PM
Subject: #258767-Victimization
From: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
I've been reading your messages and reports for awhile now and
have been comparing your accounts with my own experiences and
those of Star, Steve and others. My friend Rob Shepherd was also
treated by Derrel Sims of HUFON and his accounts are quite
similar to yours, in that the victimization, resistance, and
negative recall of the abductions was not the first
screened-memory, but was revealed later under hypnotherapy. His
first and early impressions, like my own, were more of having
experienced a somewhat uncomfortable but benevolent event. It
seems the violence isn't revelaed until probed by hypnotherapy.
Steve has had experience with author and amateur hypnotherapist
David Jacobs, author of "Secret Life", and I have other friends
in my abductee network who have been treated by his colleague
and teacher Budd Hopkins, of "Missing Time" and "Intruders"
notoriety. Another author and hypnotherapist involved is John E.
Mack as you know from messages about his recent book
"Abductions".
What seems to becoming more clear in all of these abduction
analysis writings, particularly in John Spencer's book
"Perspectives", is that the hypnotherapist involved has *some*
influence on the type of abduction recall his/her clients have -
even when leading questions are ruled out. It seems that the
relationship between abduction victim and therapist involves a
subconscious communication between them that colors the outcome
a bit. Budd's patients have similar abduction experiences and
attitudes about the Greys - more benevolent than, say, Jacob's
patients who, comparatively, experience more pain and anger.
Mack's patients are similar to Hopkins' in sharing a sense of
possible "good" behind the event. Sims' patients are almost all
totally outraged at the aliens for a very painful victimization.
FWIW in my view the abductions are flagrant, abusive and violent
violations by uncaring intruders. I think the more amateur
(untrained or less experienced) hypnotherapists unconsciously
mislead their clients - perhaps out of empathy for them or from
their own "hopes" about what is happening - into thinking there
is a benevolent, higher purpose involved - or that the original,
more pleasant screen memories are partly true. From my own
personal experience I'm with you. The screen memories are just
that - bogus deceptions - and the true event is simple,
unadulterated abuse and invasion. This applies to all "Grey"
abductions orchestrated behind the scenes by the "Nordic" types,
at least as best as I can determine so far. I have listened
carefully to the argument that "we get what we expect" but I
don't think that works in the case of abductions. I was an
innocent child that had no expectations one way or another, and
I was hurt. The 1960 screen memory of the "dream or simultaneous
shared nightmare" of a little grey man visiting my brother and I
at night and "probing" us, physically and intimately, involved
threats that he would push our cabin into the river with his
"machine" if we didn't cooperate. Maybe the early abductions
were just less sophisticated than those today?!
Pete
Message: #259504, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 16, 1994 8:19:20 PM
Subject: #259391-Victimization
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> Apparently it went past Alain as he deemed it assaultive.
Booooooooooo
>> on Alain.
Hey! My first language is French so there will be things that
will get lost in the translation!
Alain
Message: #259657, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 1994 12:52:09 AM
Subject: #259449-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
Peter:
"An uncomfortable but benevolent" is close to my description. I
considered it 'benign'. The unusual thing about the 63 case is
that
I wasn't abducted. I ran into their ship, fully conscious while
it
was sitting on the ground and I became a target of opportunity.
A subconscious communication between the hypnotist and the
abductee?
I can't speak for experiences with other hypnotists, but as far
as Simms
goes, I spent the weekend at his house. Incidentally, he doesn't
charge
for abductee hypnosis. Something that can't be said for the
professional
ufo types who have 'other than motives'. For instance, Hopkins
gets
books out of it and so on.
There was an initial interview wherein I was given forms and
asked
standardized questions. Many of the answers I gave were in the
negative.
For instance, I had no recall of ever seeing a Gray. During the
63
encounter, I did, however, develope what I call a Red. A much
bigger
version of a Gray (7 ft), red in color, and considerably
brighter than
the average Gray. I estimate IQ at 200+. Grays typically are in
the
80 to 100 range. Damned stupid in my book.
thru the hypnosis, I developed details that I had not
consciously 'known' AND there were some odd coinincidences too.
I was bagged on
December 14, 1963. I was told never to go back there. I returned
there
on December 16, 1993. I felt like a Salmon returning to spawn. I
did
this before I went to Simms. I found the spot and had that 'old
time'
feeling while I was there. It's no longer being used as a
landing zone,
however, I have located the current one. I haven't decided what
I'm going
to do with it yet.
I don't think the abduction business is any different today than
yesterday. There are differences in how they do it. For
instance, they
know children are totally innocent and there is no possibility
of
injury - so they will materialize in the child's room. They will
not,
however, do this with an adult unless they are certain that he
isn't
going to wake up. With a child, they don't care.
When I first ran into the two Nordics, I instinctive knew they
were
'space people'. Simms asked me how I knew this. I 'just knew'.
Sometime after the sessions I gave this some thought. It was
obvious
to me that if I knew, then I had seen them before. I focused on
this
and learned that my first encounter was at age 7, the night my
grandmother died.
Hypnosis and polygraph machines have one thing in common.
They're only
as good as the operator.
I was impressed by Derrel Simms' sincerity, and his placement of
knowledge and truth ahead of profit. The Mufon recommend
hypnotists
I contacted here in the LA area wanted 150.00 an hour and it
immediately
fueled my suspicions of their objectivity as there is a built in
incentive to keep the deal going as long as possible. I would
add that
I am strongly disinclined to turn my head over to just anyone.
Derrel seems to view me as an unusual character. Not so much
that my
experiences are unique but as to what I've done with them. Some
of these
ufo types have been on this for years. Even so, left to my own
devices
(principally logic), I feel I've gone far past where most of
them are.
I went to (1) Mufon meeting local to me, didn't bother listening
to the
lecture but queried those running it. What I found were a group
of
profit motivated individuals who weren't inclined to admit their
ignorance on the subject matter I was asking questions on and
had
nothing to offer me.
As with all things there are good and bad, and varying degrees
of
competency. Based on these experiences, I decided NOT to read
any ufo
books and to follow my own nose. As a professional investigator
I am
suspicious when 2 and 2 make 3. Each one of us holds the truth
of our
own experiences. And I hope the info I've been providing is help
in
that quest.
I'd also like to point out that I don't have ego or profit
angles on
this. My ego is already large enough to fill a stadium and as
long as
I have 10 bucks more than I actually need - I'm okay there too.
Tonight, I'm going to post information on the Lucifer Rebellion
and
how it is pertinent to the subject of ufo's.
Thank you for your kind words.
Bob
Message: #259658, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 1994 12:53:09 AM
Subject: The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
There are three prime players in the ufo game. Us, them and
THEM.
We know the bad guys, the Nordics and their various servant
players.
The good guys are, in religious terms, God, angels, and their
various
servants.
Built into our religions is the concept of spiritual or
evolutionary
growth. It is true that this is the 'universe's' goal for us.
However,
we were cut off from the source a long time ago. Not for
anything we
as humans had done, but because of the misdeeds of those running
the
show for the good guys. In that story, there were/are three
individuals who are of some note.
Lucifer, an angel of some rank and assigned this area of space
and
authorized to govern 100 inhabited and developing worlds. His
immediate
assistant, Satan and Plantary Prince Caligastria. All three of
these
people were/are Seraphim (angels). All had proven themselves to
be
people of exceptional ability.
A disagreement insued between Lucifer and corporate
headquarters.
Lucifer proposed changing the game plan. In a universe that is
immortal,
time is not a prime consideration. However, he proposed that the
evolutionary process could be speeded up substantially if things
were
toughened on the planatary population. He took this proposal up
the
chain of command and it was rejected several times.
The universe uses a gentle step up step procedure in its
evolutionary plans. First, food and housing needs must be
accomodated. People have
to be taught to use their brains and their hands to provide
their
basic needs. Then they are given several simple commandments.
Basic
common sense material. And so it goes, step by step by step. It
matters
not how long it takes.
Of Lucifer's 100 world domain, 30 of them revolted, included
Caligastia and Earth. Immediately, this section of the universe
was separated from
the universal communication circuits to limit the spread of the
contagion. The only form of contact has been by personal
messenger
since that time AND we were separated along with it.
Never the less, Adam and Eve were sent here to attempt to fix
the damage that had been done by Caligastia and Satan. Every bit
of progress that had been made had been deliberately wiped out
in the rebellion. And
Caligastia was undetered. He focused his sights on Eve and using
his exceptional intellect and guile, convinced her to mate with
one
of the Terran species. In doing so, she betrayed her trust and
became
a criminal. Adam later did the same as he so loved his mate that
he chose to share her fate. Caligastia is, therefore, the snake
in the garden.
The universe is forgiving. Of the 30 Planetary Prince's
revolted, all
but one has repented his crime, Caligastia nor have Lucifer or
Satan.
The judgement and disposition of these individuals was held in a
holding pattern for a number of years. In Terran terms, that
will be 1999.
Caligastia was rendered mortal and incarnate from the time of
the
rebellion and has been living here with us, unaware of his past
or his
identity. He becomes an important character in as much as he has
now
regained his awareness of his identity and his crime. His
incarnation
was intended to give him a taste and knowledge of what it was
like to
live in the mess he created. He has learned these lessons and
has
received forgiveness for his crimes against the universe and
those
against humanity. Following this, his position, and rank were
restored
to him and he is now becoming operational here. Lucifer and
Satan
remain unchanged.
Satan, following the rebellion, sought to establish his own
little
universe but he lacked two essential ingredients, life plasam
and
souls. He chose to steal reproductive capabilities from us
through
the abduction arrangement. He has never been able to generate a
soul.
Using the small number of Seraphim that remained with him after
the
rebellion, He created a half breed race of super humans we today
call
Nordics. Today, there are half Nordics walking around Earth who
don't
have a clue as to their lineage. Those chosen for off planet
service
have a leg up. Only a few are chosen from those born for off
planet
service and awareness. This reflects practical limitations with
regards
to their resources.
Satan also chose to use our genetic material for creating those
bastardizations of life we call Grays as well as other hybrid
species.
Some remain in service to the Nordic Empire and others were
seeded as
new life on other planets.
None of this would have been possible had it not been for
Caligastria's
complicity in the rebellion. It follows that the Nordic problem
AND
those resultant in our 'quality of life', can be laid at the
door of
one individual, Planetary Prince Caligastia, #9344 of the Second
Order of Seraphim.
Of this individual, he is now alive, mortal and residing here.
He is aware of who he is and going to serve his assigned
function according to universal dictates. In the Armageddon
scenerio his first assignment is
to act as universal ambassador to the Nordics. He is to arrange
contact
(this has already been done) and to ascertain whether or not
they wish to petition for universal membership. These are not a
people given to 'asking' for anything so the mission will be a
difficult task. Once
he ascertains whether or not they wish membership, he will make
a
series of decisions affecting their future. Those remaining with
Satan
will face unverisal judgement - extinction.
Following this, Terran matters will be dealt with as scored in
Revelations.
How do I know these things? Good question. Has Westbrook had a
schizophrenic break with reality or was he ever connected in the
first place? Each can judge me as you will.
I was recently contacted by the Noshaimus thru one of the two
land lines we have available. I was told to go by a book, The
Urantia.
It was pointed out to me that most that I had written in my book
was in the Urantia. After sitting 8 to 10 hours a day in front
of a terminal, the last thing I want to do with my free time is
read. I was further dismayed by the fact that the book is over
2000 pages long.
However, I did as requested.
Upon examination, I found that not only is most of my book found
in varying places, but I've added substantial detail to the
material that
isn't found in the Urantia. For the record, I purchased the book
two
weeks ago, and used a credit card to purchase (generating a
paper trail) it lest some have doubts about the date. For those
in Los Angeles, who
would like to avoid buying dozens of ufo books (including my
own) you
can get it from The Bodhi Tree in Hollywood. I believe they mail
order as well, cost = 48.00. It is the greatest single
repository of truth that
I have found.
Of Caligastia. I am acquainted with the fellow and will continue
to
report that which can be reported here. Of his staff of one
hundred
who were assigned here, all but 38 repented their crimes and
were
taken home. The 38, like Caligastia, were incarnated and will
soon become aware of who they are. First of these is
Charlasgastia, the custodian of records. This individual, while
not
a participant in the crimes of the rebellion, chose (out of love
for
Caligastia to remain behind voluntarily) and to assist him at
this moment
in time. I am not aware that Charlagastia's name appears in the
Urantia and I have no intention of reading the whole book.
Message: #259855, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 1994 3:21:11 PM
Subject: #259658-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
>> Of the 30 Planetary Prince's revolted, all but one has
repented his
>> crime, Caligastia nor have Lucifer or Satan.
You probably mean all but three?
>> universal ambassador to the Nordics. He is to arrange
contact (this
>> has already been done)
Can you tell us more about that?
>> I was further dismayed by the fact that the book is over
2000 pages
>> long.
Yes. I heard it is a big book, and I think, somewhat hard to
read. Right?
>> A disagreement insued between Lucifer and corporate
headquarters.
That's essentially what Rael (from the Raelian Movement) is
claiming. But you provided much more amplifications on the
details and what can be expected in the future.
Alain
Message: #260055, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 1994 8:56:15 PM
Subject: #259855-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
Alain:
No I mean one. Of the 30 Planetary Princes who were in the
revolt, all
but one repented his crime. Lucifer and Satan were not Planetary
Princes but in upper management over the Princes.
Caligastia, upon becoming aware, was assigned the task of tying
up the
loose ends of the mess he created. At the top of that mess are
the
Nordics ie: the first consideration that must be dealt with IF
they
can be dealt with. He has laid ground rules of behavior that
must be
adhered to as a condition of talks. Abusive or abductive
behavior heads
the top of that list. We believe they are attempting to comply,
however,
have a rather unique problem in as much as Charlagastia, is
currently
impregnated by two hybrid fetuses. One at 9 weeks and one at 5
weeks.
The former is ready for extraction. Last night they made several
futile attempts to abduct this individual. We believe they are
attempting
to comply by shutting down their operation with this individual.
This,
however, remains to be seen.
Upon compliance, Caligastia will make arrangements to meet with
the Nordics off planet. There he will listen to their ideas and
wants. Following this, he will make a series of decisions
regarding what he hears. The Nordics are an arrogant lot who
have a tendency to believe they are the supreme rulers. They
also have a profound propencity towards dishonesty. While
Caligastia will listen, it is with a highly skeptical ear.
Re: The Urantia
I posted my inclusion of some of the material of this book so
that 1.
Others could benefit from it and 2. to make disclosure of a
source that
was not my own. However, I have not read anything in the book
that indicates what the source of the rebellion was caused by.
Instead, it
focuses on the personalities of the individuals and cites their
individual failings rather than the unique reasons for it. It
does repeat Lucifer's declaration of Independance. It is
basically rhetoric along
the liberal lines we hear from Democrats today. My comments on
the
evoluntary squabble are my own and are in my book. I do not find
the
book difficult to read. However, I would recommend starting at
page
741.
I have no knowledge or information regarding the Rael's so I am
not
able to comment one way or the other.
As to the future, that depends upon the Nordics. I will continue
to report that which is reportable. Events are progressing at a
pretty
quick clip.
I will add some detail, however, on Nordic abduction
capabilities.
My cage works - very well. No one who has constructed the device
has
reported an abduction while they were in the cage. Further OBE
abduction is possible. However, they can not program your mind
in such
a state and obviously they can't get their hands on you.
Voluntary
OBE communication with the Nordics is also possible.
We have established a two tier system for communications. IN,
OUT
and both. I have used Nordic wires - abductees I've met here who
are
so wired in as to be in nearly instanteous contact. I have one
such
person available at the moment and Charlagastia has one as well.
Furthermore, she has successfully attempted voluntary OBE.
Having failed
to abduct last night, they attempted involutary OBE. They failed
due
only to the strength of will of the individual. The cage does
not
protect from involuntary OBE's. However, other than possibly
scaring
the hell out of you, they are not harmful. We, however, reserve
voluntary OBE for the occasions where protocol would demand it.
This structure will
be rendered obsolete once conditions have been met and protocols
established. The Universe demands a civilized forum and will not
settle
for anything less.
Bob
Message: #260267, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 3:33:15 AM
Subject: #259391-Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<>
Oh come on now Bob, talk about creative journalism, that "lying"
part in there is pretty slanted. But you do have a point, I
mean, I realize that the "guising" is difficult to get past.
(Or not difficult, really, but first you have to *realize*
what's going on, instead of blithely assuming you're in a dream
or whatever.)
<>
That's possible, and I've considered it. But I guess I still
hold to the theory that if I were a slave, I'd want all the
education and relational skills with them I could get, so I
could work in the drawing room. And if one were going to
have as much chance at, shall we say, rebellion or escape
knowledge in the future, getting to know them and having a
decent relationship with them is the most logical route. And I
do *not* say that any of this paranoia crap is true, mind you,
I'm just trying to address the subjects you brought up head on.
<>
Well, we don't ask birds if they want to be captured and tagged
"for their own good." Besides, I have always been positive and
even requesting of "them." (Who may *not* be "the greys" as you
call them, we've been operating on that assumption but we could
be wrong.) One thing I cannot do is say they've done something
without my permission. I mean criminy, I meditate and *invite*
them in. Part of seeing it from a spiritual angle and not
really buying into the typical alien ideology I guess.
<>
Could be true. Believe me Bob, I know the subconscious routine
-- I studied hypnosis fanatically, and even formally, for nearly
10 years and practiced it for a living for awhile as well -- so
I have to agree that it's entirely possible that I have
re-interpreted this as something appealing to me, once my
subconscious concluded that it couldn't be changed. Actually,
along that vein -- not that I want to encourage this belief in
you, but I must confess -- I quite consciously and deliberately
attack any situation that I find unpleasant and/or unchangeable
with a deliberately positive attitude, viewing it as an
"adventure" rather than a trauma. However, I still think that
your just "assuming" this is the case is, in my own personal
experience, totally without basis in fact.
<>
Hilarious. Actually, one of my first major encounters with the
"group" (whoever they are) and me-him (a blonde guy, like a
young Rutger Hauer, who somehow I know is sort of me? I don't
know how this works) began with this large black bird - human
sized - that accompanied me around narrating what was going on
for me. I know this has no relationship, I just think it's a
funny coincidence, the black birds and blonde guys. :)
<>
Actually, I find this illogical. Not on your part, on theirs.
Whoever it is I'm working with, evolved spiritual being or
"alien" (barf, I hate that term), I *know* they can just reach
right in the body, while the body is in *this* dimension and you
have your eyes wide open. Obviously this is one of the most
unique and bizarre feelings of all time. Not to mention a real
test of sanity, when the lights are on and your eyes are open
and *there's nothing there.* Very physical, don't know how
they manage it. But I do know that *if* we're talking about the
same entities, they do not require (at least for all things)
taking the body anywhere, and they do not require cutting you
open. Maybe they used to or something, but obviously not
anymore -- they reached right inside my knee and fixed it (and
they touched various other parts of my body - weird - it's
possible).
<<<>
Come on Bob, I think the phenomena is called neurotic
christians, neurotic therapists, and neurotic people who wanna
make $50,000 on talk shows.
<>
Not to be defensive, but I don't see my experiences as any more
unsubstantiated than yours, from the evidence (?) you've listed.
<>>
rofl!! Well no, sorry, I think I prefer that cold, clammy,
smelly, kinda slimy-ish grey texture.
PJ (Augh! In trying to get at you I just *totally* grossed
myself out!)
Message: #260225, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 1:49:24 AM
Subject: #259657-Victimization
From: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #260229 (1 reply)
Bob,
Thanks for the insightful reply. I'm enjoying your posts on the
Lucifer Rebellion too.
I've only skimmed the Book Of Urantia once but plan to have a
closer look at it soon. The story of the split between the two
"angelic" camps being a precursor to the extraterrestrial
divisions today is becoming more a topic of discussion here and
elsewhere. The same story is filtering through a lot of current
research, so there must be a basis for it. Authors like Sitchin
and Bramley are dealing with it and J.J. Hurtak (The Keys Of
Enoch) has used it for years as his premise for his research of
extraterrestrial hierarchies (that he uses for government
sponsored Symposia under the cover of "Free Energy" discussions
with international scientists). It's interesting you have been
introduced to the same scenario separately and directly.
Your assessment of Simms matches Rob's experience with him,
although your interactions with the visitors are decidedly
different than what Rob has been going through. He's being
tracked and taken more frequently (via the blue beam) and has
scars to show for what he still has trouble remembering after
each incident. I read Derrel Simm's write-up recently revealing
a lot of his questionnaire and research findings on
commonalities amongst abductees. That Irish and Native Indian
heritage in my family seems to apply too! I worked with Simms
and HUFON indirectly on researching Project Prometheus, which
you might ask him about next visit.
My main research is being done through books while yours is more
direct. I think it is noteworthy that we still tend to come to
the same general conclusions about what we are dealing with
here. Each of us on a different path ends up at the common
gathering place where preparations are being made and ideas
shared. Keep up the good work, and keep us posted. Let me know
if ever you need some help.
Pete
Message: #260229, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 2:03:07 AM
Subject: #260225-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Peter Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512
Peter:
Thank you for the encouraging words.
As there can only be one truth, per a subject, if follows those
seeking it will cross paths in the endeavor.
It's surprised me that the truth of things is much easier and
simplier
than those proposed by religions and less convoluted than those
proposed by most philosophies. It is all simple common sense.
Re: Simms
I am aware of Prometheus. You'll find the subject matter but not
the
name in my book. The Black Triangular ufo hybrid. FYI, the
engine
didn't come from Roswell. It came out of a crash in Ohio not
that it
really matters.
Thank you for the kind thoughts. I've often wonder just how many
people
out there thought me nuts.
Bob
Message: #260137, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 1994 10:48:19 PM
Subject: #259658-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #260162 (1 reply)
Hello, Bob. Long time no talk, although I have been following
your threads and text files with great interest. I really liked
the idea of the wire cage defense. It made sense to me, for what
it's worth.
Have you read the Urantia book? I have read that off and on
since 1978 when I found it at an obscure bookstore in North
Carolina. Do you have any idea about who the authors are, etc.?
Best Regards and Thanks ... Mike Borger
Message: #260162, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 1994 11:38:09 PM
Subject: #260137-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael Borger 71736,3374
Mike:
Re: The Cage - Thanks
Re: Urantia
Urantia Foundation
533 Diversey Parkway
Chicago, IL 60614
312-525-3319
Fax 312-525-7739
Message: #260440, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 1:21:26 PM
Subject: #260267-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
PJ:
"The logic of purpose demands that if they teach you something
they
will later benefit from"
I don't think you got my point. We don't teach cattle anything.
Sure
they may learn when we feed them, or that we know how to milk
them,
but we certainly don't send them to school.
You'd rather be a house slave than a field slave. Me, I'd
rather be
dead.
As for paranoia, I'm not in the slightest degree afraid of these
characters. They are controllable and containable. Their
weaknesses
are numerous and each on of them are exploitable. The question
is who
controls your life. Given the choice of being treated like a
barnyard
animal or a sentient, responsible being equal to them, I choose
the
later. Don't ever mistake superior technology for superior
being.
So, you've been tagged (as a bird) for your own good. Perhaps
you'll
share with us what this good is. Do they pay your rent, feed
your face
or do ANYTHING in a practical sense?
Essentially, you're doing OBE's and inviting your own
abductions. What
a good pet you are. Not only to do not mess the carpet, but you
bring
the newspaper in too. If this analogy offends you, I'd point out
that
it is you who used the beloved pet imagery.
So... what pieces of wisdom have you received from your Nordic
Master's.
The meaning of life, the nature of the universe? Are you aware
that they
have a consistent track record of lying as well?
PJ, I'm not assuming anything in the way of factual material. I
AM
taking what you present as fact and supplying a different
interpretation as you. By your own admission, you alter
disagreeable substantive material into a form more digestible.
You support the practice by calling it 'positive'. The real
definition of this is called 'avoidance', a
device to protect you from that which is too scarey to deal
with. It
follows that your perceptions are not reliable and the only
person
suffering from it - is you.
Re: Cutting one open.
With me, the had (past tense) a metal tray. On it were two sized
surgical knives, sizzors with a flat head on the end (clamps),
and metal
rods (implants). With me, they cut.
Re: Satanic False Memory
I investigated one of these cases in Arizona a few years ago.
The
person you dismiss as a fanatical Christian was in charge of
child
protective services for the state. I wouldn't be so quick to
dismiss
that which might alter your percepts unless and until you give
it
a reasonable and objective examination.
I don't discount your experiences, I do, however, question your
beliefs as to their meaning as they lack any logical basis -
with one exception.
The only consistent theme, is the need to define the events into
something positive - a defense mechanism.
Re: preference of the slimy
hands..........................Bigot!
My slimy hands are much warmer.
Bob
Message: #260557, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 6:22:28 PM
Subject: #259658-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262
I own the Urantia Book and hold it in low regard as far as
channeled material goes. (I've had my copy along with the
condordex for about eight years). Other comments I have read on
Urantia which I noted with mild interest were that it was
"channeled" from discarnate humans from the lower astral planes.
Another very similar work is Beelzebubs Tales to His Grandson
by
Gurdjieff.
My own observation of the material is that it is extremely
convoluted and opaque reading. I might add that I read _A LOT_
so I knows it when I sees it. My personal tripe indicator goes
wild when I encounter reading of this nature. If the nuggets
within are so OCCULT that they must be BURIED within the tome
they must either be extremely precious, or they are not...
The BEST examples of channeled material leave me feeling
positive and empowered with OPTIONS. (Emmanuel, for example) To
be ENLIGHTENED is, after all, the goal. Two other outstanding
examples for their ringing clarity are Ramtha, and Seth.
I would suggest that in the holographic paradigm one's belief
system can become one's prison as a self fulfilling prophesy. So
when building a belief matrix it is prudent to make it open
ended for easy expansion.
Or put another way;
Nothing real may be threatened
Nothing unreal exists
Herein lies the peace of God
-- A Course in Miracles dlk/CO
Message: #260589, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 7:02:06 PM
Subject: #260557-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
I'm not inclined to defend the Urantia. Anything is subject to
our
personal 'tripe' indicators and therefore subject to opinion. I
have
a different opinion that yours. While you see a convoluted mess,
I see one of logic and order.
In my book, I deduced the corporate management structure of
earth.
Further, I produced logic to the idea that we were cut of from
headquarters and had been for some time. Then, some two years
after I started writing, I see a confirmation of that logic in
the Urantia.
I am not much of a reader so I won't be able to give you
everyone else's opinion on much. I do, however, agree with
Einstein's comment that
"God does not shoot craps with the universe". Therein lies the
crux
of The Urantia. It shows an order and a purpose. Coincidentally,
that
structure is reflected here and there is an identifiable trail
of hard
history that supports the facts.
Channeled information is subjective. However, when it produces
real
and observable results then one can hardly say it is suspect.
For
example, take the information in my book and compare it to the
Urantia.
You will find much of it nearly identical, yet I did not even
know
the book existed until recently. It follows that the trail of
logic
expounded in my book supports the Urantia's rendition or perhaps
the
other way around. In either case, your 'belief' and 'opinion'
would
seem unsubstianted by history.
Even so, I don't consider the book the end all be all. It is
missing
pieces. In fact, the book itself says these omissions were
deliberate.
Add to this, that by my own homespun methods I've been able to
add some
of those censored areas. While I'm a pretty bright fellow, I
don't think
I'm Einstein material. It follows that all one needs to make it
through
the discovery process is a logical mind and the determination to
follow the trail.
I would add that the comments about 'Thought Adjusters' is also
accurate. I have been in the company of one for about ten days
now. My first
impression of these was 'the thought police'. I find that to
have been
inaccurate. Instead she is quite benign and very helpful. On the
down
side, as she is decidedly female, she isn't scoring any point
with my sex life.
Bob
Message: #260710, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 10:08:26 PM
Subject: #260589-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #260743 (1 reply)
^L
>"God does not shoot craps with the universe". Therein lies the
>crux >of The Urantia. It shows an order and a purpose.
Coincidentally, >that >structure is reflected here and there is
an identifiable trail >of hard >history that supports the facts.
"You think that objects exist independently of you,
not realizing that they are instead the manifestations
or your own psychological and psychic selves...
The fact is that each of you create your own physical
reality: and en masse, you create both the glories and
the terrors that exist within your earthly experience.
Until you realize that you are the creators, you will
refuse to accept this responsibility. Nor can you blame
a devil for the world's misfortunes. You have grown
sophisticated enough to realize that the devil is a
projection of your own psyche, but you have not grown
wise enough to learn to use your creativity
constructively"
--Seth, Seth Speaks
>You will find much of it nearly identical, yet I did not even
>know >the book existed until recently. It follows that the
trail of >logic >expounded in my book supports the Urantia's
rendition or perhaps >the >other way around. In either case,
your 'belief' and 'opinion' >would >seem unsubstianted by
history.
Synchronicity abounds, Robert, when you are tuned to the
possibility. I could say that you also have the right to be
wrong (your words) but that would be limiting. Truth is where
you find it as Seth hinted in his own apparent endorsement of
the Many Worlds Hypothesis. Seth alleged that every earthly
event does indeed play itself out in all probable states; that
each quantum particle as well as every human being and
historical event does indeed have an infinite series of
probabalistic counterparts, and that being infinitely
interconnected with these parallel universes, we are as multi
dimensional as he is, and the focas of our awareness simply is
just not yet tuned in to this fact. This of course, leads to a
mind numbing view of the universe. Seth stated, "The rockbed
reality is the one in which the perceiver is focased. From that
standpoint all others would seem peripheral. Taking that for
granted, however, any given reality system will be surrounded by
its probability clusters." The bottom line here is that we are
all right.
I have no illusions of changing your stance Robert. I wanted to
present some possibilites for the benefit of other readers. As
Whitley Streiber alluded, I have met them and they are us.
Or they may well be our own creation -- a horrifying thought!
Yet there IS historical precedent for this possibility. In the
fall of 1972 A. R. G. Owen and eight of his friends decided to
create their own poltergeist. To make sure that they weren't
"conjuring" a spirit they carefully designed their own ghost by
sitting in a circle and collectively creating a fictional
character with a detailed personality and history. With this
done they began holding seances to "contact" their manufactured
ghost. It took a year but they succeeded in getting "Phillip" to
communicate with them with loud raps under the table. They
established a code to signal yes and no and proceeded to query
"Phillip" over a period of time. The "history" he gave coincided
with the manufactured storyline including historical
inaccuracies seeded in the biography. "Phillip" was not only
moody, he developed affinities for certain members of the group.
One of the group members was an acoustic engineer and recorded
many of the sessions. He discovered that the raps differed
noticeably from ordinary percussionary raps, and though loud
were only a third as long as a percussionary rap made by
knuckles or feet. "Phillip" later became stronger and
mischievous moving the table around the room, dancing it on one
leg or even up the wall. Objects would slide off the table, but
small gifts to "Phillip" remained on the table even when tipped
at precarious angles. Most astounding is the fact that "Phillip"
allowed his activities to be filmed. In 1973 the Canadian
Broadcasting System filmed a session with "Phillip" that
included the table climbing a set of three steps to a platform.
The program was broadcast on Toronto television on the program
"World of the Unexplained."
Conjuring Up Phillip
Harper & Row, 1976
There is more than one way to skin a [Schrodinger's] cat and
certainly more than one way to view the world. I have no doubt
that your armegeddon will occur on schedule complete with the
rapture and panick in the streets. But I will not participate,
nor will the world that I live in. Enjoy what you have created.
dlk/CO
Message: #260743, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 11:03:12 PM
Subject: #260710-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
Re: Seth
Reply = Good for Seth.
Re: Truth
Reply = There can only be one truth per subject. It is not
unusual that
the seekers of that truth will cross paths in the
endeavor
Re: Gods, reponsibility etc
Reply = "WE ARE THE ANGELS"
Re: Conjuring up Phillip
Reply = Mental Masturbation. You think something is happening
but all you end up with is a mess.
Re: Armageddon of my own creation.
Reply = Two Hamburgers, Fries and a Vanilla Shake.
In the Armageddon Scenario, humanity is both perpetrator
and
victim. The original crime, however, was done by someone
else.
That it continues at man's hands is one of choice and
one
of responsibility. Thank you so much for giving me
credit
for your personal choices. I had no idea I had graduated
to the Almighty. Instead of making Phillip, wouldn't
just be
easier and more benficial to whip up a Big Mac?
Don:
Witty rhetoric aside. I've taken issue with a couple of sysops
on this
forum for what I call 'book mongering'. You cite your own
beliefs thru
the words of others. Inverse logic would seem to indicate that
you have
no beliefs of your own. Have done no research into the universe
save
that is easily purchased on a book rack. Is this that you would
describe as taking responsibility of our universe when it seems
obvious you're more than happy to let someone else do the
discovery and then attach yourself to it. In Armageddon, you're
simply willing to withdraw, again
"I didn't do it". Hate to tell you this chum, but we're all in
the same boat.
You are not unique in this and don't take it to be an insult.
The question is, "When do you start quoting Don?". When does Don
take
responsibility for his unique and special universe? When I come
in contact with the book mongers, I can't help but marvel that
the bulk of
the research for my book came only from the Bible and an
Encylopedia. The balance of it being thought and consideration.
This would seem highly improbable in the world you live in.
Sidebar:
Did the fire's hit the Pueblo area?
Bob
Message: #260861, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 1:58:21 AM
Subject: #260743-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
>Re: Truth
>Reply = There can only be one truth per subject. It is not >
unusual that > the seekers of that truth will cross paths in the
> endeavor >
You are correct sir. There is only one truth, and the truth is
ONE. But you must remember that truth may have many facets. It
is difficult for a three dimensional mind to comprehend a ten
dimensional smile.
^L >Re: Conjuring up Phillip
>Reply = Mental Masturbation. You think something is happening >
but all you end up with is a mess. >
You said it Bud, not me. Phillip simply illustrates that it is
possible. But it is you that have noids in your bedroom and
nordics on your roof. My own reality is one of peaceful slumber
at night, hard work in the day, and the challenge to center in
joy consistantly moment by moment by being responsive to the
small voice within. In the be living moments of my day, my life
is very simple. The rhythmic pulse of life cycles within and
around me. I live to enjoy and to learn about life in all it's
majesty. I make no apology for being curious enough about life
to read more than two sets of works. Thank God I am ABLE to read
in the fashion that I do. It permits me to meet minds I would
never have the opportunity to touch in any other fashion. Minds
long dead, or far distant such as yours. Diverse opinons and
belief systems can stand shoulder to shoulder in the clear light
of analysis. This has enabled my ability to recognize fear
mongering when I see it so that I might speak out...
> Thank you so much for giving me credit > for your personal
choices. I had no idea I had graduated > to the Almighty.
You were never any less.. The law is one. My personal research
is not really material appropriate to this forum. I live the
random walk of joy. To realize that each living being is doing
what makes them happy even if it means moaning about how unhappy
they are or how unhappy they are GONNA be. To make a conscious
decision that I will learn through joy and live joy moment to
moment through my day and seek or create joy in others when I
might. The process of that evolution is a full time job. To
speak out and attempt to inject joy such as I have found into a
fear laden atmosphere. There is no need to write a book about
it. It is just as effective to live your truth in your daily
life blatently and with great zest. If you live in joy there is
no room for fear or sorrow. On the date you have projected you
may rest assured that I will be easily found doing what pleases
me most.
I've heard talk of a nasty fire near Durango. The fire hazard is
very high. I heard on the radio this morning that the moisture
content in the vegetation is lower than what you find in a
lumber yard! Pueblo is out on the high prairie east of the
Sangre De Cristos. No trees to speak of. No grass fires either
Pray for snow!!!!!!!!!!!
dlk/CO
Message: #260880, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 2:23:18 AM
Subject: #260743-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #260888 (1 reply)
Hi Bob,
Now, wait a minute.
>> Have done no research into the universe save that is easily
>> purchased on a book rack.
You're claiming your research is based on your personal
experiences. That's fine. But a single person has a limited
amount of time available for personal experiences and certainly
can't personally investigate every UFO sighting, abduction,
psychic happening or paranormal experience.
The only way is to gather enough information to put together
ideas (theories or hypothesis if you wish) on what the overall
phenomenon might be. The fastest way to gather this information
is through books, journals and messages on fora such as this
one.
For me, you provide a good, solid set of relevant information.
But others do, too. I and others looking into these paranormal
(ufo and abductions included as "addition to normal") will
decide which facts ann ideas to accept and which to let slide
based on _our_ personal life experiences.
I can understand why you didn't want to read about what others
thought in the ufo field until you had your own experiences
nailed down. Now, however, you seem to be looking at what
experiences others may have had, and the Urantia book is a
start. But, only a start. Your investigation cannot be
considered complete until you purposely read and digest reports
of experiences and ideas that are completely at odds with your
current experiences and ideas.
The "Conjuring of Philip" experiment was, IMO, incredible. It
was apparently extremely well documented with considerable
controls (in the scientific sense). The implications of the
experiment are staggering, not only for the UFO and abduction
fields but for "normal" life. Since I just heard about this
today, I decided to try my own little experiment to find out
what happens.
Dean
Message: #260888, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 2:44:10 AM
Subject: #260880-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Hi Dean:
I don't think you got my point, or perhaps it wasn't well
written.
I work a 60 hour work week, that I work at home makes things
more
agreeable. However, the 'time' involved here is devoted to
thought.
I sincerely, believe that a reasonable person can develope
everything
I've bumped into given the desire to find the truth of a thing.
I haven't investigated one ufo sighting or abduction or psychic
occurence. I have, however, spoken to a lot of people here and
found
my experiences common. I don't, however, count this as work.
I have no objection to searching out data. That's common sense.
What
I do find objectionable is the mentality that accepts the
conclusions
of others without giving enough thought to the subject matter to
even
develope their own opinion. Instead, they go on an endless quest
of
quoting the thoughts of others.
Re: The Urantia.
You have an incorrect idea. I am not researching ufos. I did
start out
to debunk the Bible and found, when the logic was complete, that
it was
more accurate than not - but that correctness was not the one
promoted
by the book (Old Testament). I am satisfied, at this point,
that
my quest to understand the 'truth' is as complete as I
personally
need it to be. From here, I'm going into a totally different
direction.
I noted the Urantia as a reference source for a couple of
reasons.
1. It holds a substantial amount of truth.
2. It lays a foundation for subject matter that I will be
speaking
about in the near future. Specifically, Planetary Prince
Caligastia,
Charlagastia and others. These two people will be writing the
history of this planet in the future and will, most likely,
do
a better job than they did in the past.
As for Phillip and conjuring thought forms. If this were of
practical
use - my ex wife wouldn't be walking the planet. Nor, dare I
say,
half of the divorced spouses of the world. Booom!
Bob
Message: #260764, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 1994 11:52:05 PM
Subject: Victimization
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Hiya Bob.
<>
Not me. I'd be the happy human hooker of a Communist Alien
Troglodyte before I'd die over pride. I'm not remotely afraid
to die, I just don't see the point in this case. Like treason,
slavery is generally just a matter of dates and perspective
anyway.... and there's always a chance to change things as long
as one lives.
<>
Paranoia simply means that you think people are plotting
something murky or dangerous related to you personally or a
group to which you belong. This seems like a pretty valid
description of things to me. (Of course, as my father always
says, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't
out to get you." )
<>
Nope, not that I know of. Well actually I might eat. Hard to
say. I often find that I "have a computer" "there" (or
something like one) and sometimes use it specifically for
communication, with them or other people, it seems to translate
all kinds of stuff. But I don't even encounter the 'doons much
at all anymore in consciousness anyway. I'm usually sound
asleep I guess. I occasionally get insomnic the last couple
months and then start getting the feeling that I'm for some
reason maybe *afraid* to go to sleep, but it generally passes...
change is always scary, even if it *is* something positive,
anyway, and even if it *is* spiritual work, that could be a
result. (Shut up. I am NOT rationalizing. .)
The last month has been hell on the sleeping habits -- my alarm,
a foot from my head, which formerly on the high setting would
all but give me a *heart attack* and be off within .08 of a
second (wakes all 7 apartment neighbors up, it's ridiculously
loud), fails to wake me up at ALL, and I've been late for work
half a dozen times in the last 3 weeks. Since I'm an officer
and have to open up the building, this is a big deal and really
frustrates me... AND my boss.
I also went through this thing for about 10 days (last few
weeks) where I could have sworn there had to be some kind of
"technology" around (tho I blamed it on the bases nearby not aliens ) because when my alarm would go off
and I *did* hear it, I couldn't wake up; part of my brain would
get conscious, but I didn't know WHO I was, or WHERE I was, or
WHAT that sound was, or what to do about it. It certainly
didn't occur to me to get up. I'd finally find the sleep button
by accident on the "box" (the alarm), and then every 9 minutes
it was like an entirely new experience all over again. *Not*
the same as just being exhausted. Been sleeping long enough to
know what's what. Pretty bizarre not knowing who or where or
what you are. (Some deep meditations do this, btw.) Quite a
step beyond just trying to get your brain together on a sleepy
morning. I finally concluded it was as if consciousness, which
normally has some kind of "frequency rise" at a certain rate
(which can vary), was simply not coming UP properly as it
should, and despite my body and some tiny portion of my brain
moving, the rest of me was elsewhere. (Oh man, oh man oh man, I
wish I hadn't accidentally said that... didn't think about that
before... had that "elsewhere" before too, even consciously...
never mind. Maybe if I just go to bed earlier we'll have
more time and this will stop. It's so inconvenient!! Glad I
thought of this. That might solve it right away.)
Oh but hey, that reminds me! You ever had your body "breathe
yourself back in?" It's soooo weird, but It's exactly like what
you see those trance channels do. It seems so weird that you can
be fully conscious and physical and know that "you" are
elsewhere, I mean, it seems like if "you" are elsewhere, your
conscious mind oughtta be there too! Not that there's much left
here to wonder.
I've been fortunate to run into a lot of people who I really
"relate" to on this subject in the last few months by some
rather stretched out coincidences, a couple including this
forum, which is nice... I don't know if that's related to
anything. I sometimes think "they" (whoever "they" are) have
something to do with this, but I could be wrong.
You know something, I have long suspected that the "gods" and
"entities" that some religions work with may be related to, or
even the same entities, as the 'doons I know, or the greys you
know. (I "woke up knowing I was going to join" a certain magick
order I knew zip about and was even mildly afraid of, I bet THAT
one gives you the creeps, hahaha!) I know that in some cases,
the Nordics are considered the Annunaki (ref' Sitchin), which I
think (I could be wrong) may sometimes be considered the
mispronounced "Enochian" entities of Dee&Kelly /Crowley...
worked with *deliberately* I assume... I'm new to the order and
don't really know anything yet. Just some trivia, rambling
thoughts... I could be wrong, I have no idea, it's just occurred
to me many times.
<>
Maybe. Still a matter of perspective methinks.
<>
Well, I haven't yet received anything relevent enough to pay my
CI$ bill. As for the "Nordics" who you think are the
Ultimate Bad Guys or whatever, in my experience with
beings/people who definitely look just like that, I work "with"
them, and often flash between perspectives and I accepted (long
ago, waaaayyyy prior to all this "alien" junk) that I *was* one
of them, whatever they were. Obviously not completely, I look
about as Non-Nordic as a person could without being actively
hispanic or something. This doesn't really fit in with your
stories of them tho, and I don't "feel" like a bad guy so I
don't really understand this... however, it *does* fit in with
being a "spiritual experience" for me.
<< By your own admission, you alter disagreeable substantive
material into a form more digestible...The real definition of
this is called 'avoidance'... It follows that your perceptions
are not reliable and the only person suffering from it - is
you.>>
In NLP it's called "reframing." As for being subjective and
"twisting the facts to support how you want to feel," that's
exactly what it is. So what? Bob, sometimes you remind me of
these screamin' liberal man-hating women who want to go on and
on and on about how if a woman was ever raped she's such a
victim and so in need of a way to defend herself from those Evil
Nasty Men and so on... when from my view, it's like, get over it
already, get a life! Of course as a hypnotist that's pretty
much predictable of me, I realize. I made a living helping
people deal with traumas, both real and "imaginary," past and
present, in a positive way. I've restructured my feelings about
my own life according to how I want my end personality to
result, not "how it was," from altering my feelings about a
perfectly horrific childhood to dealing with my own former
traumas. Life is not what happens to you, it's what you make
it, and I don't think that's a bad thing, I think it's a GREAT
thing. If this is denial - and from your view it is, I realize
- I'm a happy idiot. So what.
I don't see, at this point, any difference between you and me
and our sometimes similar experiences, except that you seem to
live your life like a sci-fi/adventure movie with you as The
Lone Good Guy Saving Humanity and I live my life like a
metaphysical bible story... ok, so I'm being hard on BOTH of us
... but really, what's the end result difference? You've
been permanently injured, you say, and you live in this "fight"
mode against these "bad" guys. I feel warm and snuggly about it
and live in this "special spiritual work" mode with these "other
entities." The only real difference between us seems to be that
*I'm* having fun and you're not. (Whether I only *think* I am
having fun is irrelevant of course! - that's like "thinking
you're happy." If you think you are, you are.)
<
Aw I hate it when you say this because you have no more logical
basis than I do. The things I experience seem quite "real" to
me, if occasionally like some other dimension - those
budweiser commercials where the camera is tilted sort of
sideways reminds me of that vaguely stoned feeling - and I'm
sure your experiences are real as well. As for physical
results, I've had some, I've interpreted them, and been fine
with them. You've had some, you've interpreted them, and been
miserable about them. Again, I don't see that either of us has
more or less "evidence" or "logical basis" about the subject;
only that we have mutually incompatible interpretations of "what
it means."
Gosh Bob, you live so close, and offer slimy *warm* hands and
everything, hahaha! You crack me up. I don't think the 'doons
would want me dating you. Besides, you'd have to sleep in my
seriously "unprotected" (no 200' extension cords around MY
princess canopy! ) bed, it's like a religion thing, it would
just never work.
PJ
Message: #260830, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 12:55:25 AM
Subject: Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075 (received)
PJ
<>
Not me. I'd be the happy human hooker of a Communist Alien
Troglodyte
before I'd die over pride.
>My pride is a product of my freedom. No freedom - no pride - no
life.
I flunked groveling 101.<
<>
Nor am I. I have to reason to be afraid of them. This is
particularly
valid as I'm out of reach.
<>
>Nope, not that I know of. <
So you give, they take. Definitely a one sided deal. I'm getting
more and more interested in you personally. I've never had a
doormat. Want to apply for the position?
>The last month has been hell on the sleeping habits<
Your mouth says no, no, no - but you body says yes, yes, yes.
The basic contradiction in your behavior here is that while you
consistently say
NO it ain't so Joe, you immediately follow by sharing items that
are
problimatical to you. So, No it ain't so - but tell me more -
seems
applicable here.
> I mean, it seems like if
"you" are elsewhere, your conscious mind oughtta be there too!
Not that
there's much left here to wonder. <
Lucid Dreaming.
> (I "woke up
knowing I was going to join" a certain magick order I knew zip
about and
was even mildly afraid of, I bet THAT one gives you the creeps,
hahaha!)<
Magic, and the occult are crutches used to trick the
subconscious into
directed activity. Doesn't freak me at all. If you'd have read
my book,
I admit some knowledge of the subject.
>I know that in some cases, the Nordics are considered the
Annunaki (ref'
Sitchin)<
The Nordics are known by many names. The game is still the same.
<>
>Well, I haven't yet received anything relevent enough to pay my
CI$ bill. <
Well, they don't sound like their of much use AND you aren't
particularly demanding. Where have you been all my life? Wanna
get married? I take
out the trash and know how to fix things
>I accepted (long ago, waaaayyyy prior to all this "alien" junk)
that I
*was* one of them<
The half Nordics I've run into have all been blonde. However,
this doesn't mean that other types are out there.
> You've been permanently injured, you say, and you live in
this "fight" mode against these "bad" guys. <
Abuse injures the victim and the abuser and it is always
permanent.
<
>Aw I hate it when you say this because you have no more logical
basis
than I do. <
Still haven't read the book have you. Had you, you'd feel a
little
silly about 'no logical basis'. I can smother you in logic.
Somehow,
I don't think it would be appreciated.
> I don't think the 'doons would want me dating you. <
Do the doons live in Toontown? You're right they wouldn't like
AND
I'm not inclined to share. As for slumber parties - SUPRISE! -
I've
juryrigged a portable traveling gig. hehehehehehe. They bagged
me out
of the 5th floor of the Vegas Hilton a couple of weeks ago. It
won't
happen again. Have cage - will travel. I might even be able to
get it to
double as a marital aid.
Tell me, have you heard the pitter patter of little hybrids
during your
experiences?
Re: Feminazi's.
R you deliberately trying to be offensive. Sorry, I'm not part
of the
NOW crowd and do not subscribe to the theory that only the
constitpated, permanently PMS'd females of the world are
qualified to run my universe.
However, I am wearing my steal plated John Wayne Bobbit jock
proctector in case I perchance to run into one of them. We can
count them out of the Nordic ranks, there wouldn't be any male
genitals to harvest.
Bob
Message: #260875, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 2:19:25 AM
Subject: The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
>Reply = Mental Masturbation. You think something is happening >
but all you end up with is a mess. >
Phillip simply illustrates that it is possible.
I'd disagree on this. Take Phillip times 10,000 abductee reports
and
I've find it easier to attach some logic. Phillip and I will
have to wait for a future life time.
>My own reality is one of peaceful slumber at night, hard work
in the day<
How nice for you. Isn't it nice you aren't on the Nordic menu.
As for me,
I sleep well too - now. An exercise in responsibility - I did
something about it.
>This has enabled my ability to recognize fear mongering when I
see it <
Don, I am not fear mongering. I am solution mongering. There is
no useful
purpose in promoting fear. I do, however, see great benefit in
the solution. It's fortunate, you don't need the fix.
> Thank you so much for giving me credit > for your personal
choices. I
had no idea I had graduated > to the Almighty.
Don, your writings have the strong sugary overtones of a devout
'something' and if this works for you - far out! It is not,
however, my particular cup of tea.
Bob
Message: #261240, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 6:37:29 PM
Subject: #260229-Victimization
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #261250 (1 reply)
Bob,
>>I've often wonder just how many people out there thought me
nuts.
You're no more nuts and no more sane than anyone else out here,
and you're certainly entitled to your beliefs. I just don't
believe any of it applies to me, as I doubt I will be in either
of the groups that survive all the nasty weather and quakes and
plagues.
I have my part to do in whatever happens, your version or
someone else's. I think my part happens right down here at
Ground Zero on the San Andreas. That's just how things are.
Cindy
Message: #261250, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 6:52:17 PM
Subject: #261240-Victimization
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: *Xena* 72230,2401
Cindy:
I'm sitting on top of the Northridge variant of ground zero,
"What a frenzied moment that was "
Re: Nuts
I've oft wondered how many thought me nuts, however, I've never
cared
enough to let it stop me one way or another. I have true
dedication
to maintaining the psychosis.
Re: Versions of Armageddon.
Why not write your own. Hey, it works for me.
Bob
Message: #261251, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 7:10:22 PM
Subject: #260875-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262
Okay Robert, let's set "Phillip" aside for now.
Another even less palitable possibility is referenced by
Jaques Vallee in his book "Dimensions" I do not have the book at
my fingertips and I will not got to the trouble to go get it
since you abhor quotations so badly. The section I am
referencing is "The World according to Kirk Allen" and is also
linked by inference to everything Billy Meir ever wrote. I'm
sure others on this forum have read it and will chime in. In
summary; Kirk Allen was a psychiatric subject who created an
imaginary world of incredible consistancy and detail. The
therapist was so stunned by the depth and texture of this
creation that he wrote a paper detailing the theraputic course
for submission to professional journals. That is how Vallee
became aware of the case.
What I am doing here is presenting a range of possibilities. A
differential
diagnostic list if you will. You strike me as a "show me I'm
from Missouri"
kind of a guy and this is a nuts and bolts interpretation of
the abduction
phenomena which CANNOT be overlooked by the objective observer.
Also included
on the list is Westbrook is right so don't get your feathers
ruffeled But
both the Allen option and the Westbrook option are ranking
rather low at this
point.
(Whoops! that might be/most likely is Vallee's
"Revelations"...brain farts)
btw just try to go to the moon or get through med school
without reading
and citing "the stacks" as they are called.
dlk/CO
Message: #261382, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 1994 10:52:07 PM
Subject: #261251-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
At the risk of being tediously redundant, I do not object to
reading.
I object to people taking the thoughts of others INSTEAD OF
generating
their OWN thoughts. It's been my experience that the insistant
quoter
frequently does this. Listen, if you can read a book you can
learn
most anything. No one values a book more than I. However, taking
someone
else's thought and going no where with it, is an empty journey.
Better
to use it as inspiration and generate your own new ground as an
explorer.
The 'quoter' will take the thoughts of one as impetus to quote
another and another an another without ever taking the time to
do his own
exploration. This point isn't all that subtle.
As for Phillip and Vallee's 'brain farts'. I'm aware of thought
forms.
They aren't new but usually reserved for those who practice
magic.
I've never given them much consideration as they are only
reflections
of someone else's will. Even when they are sufficiently sentient
to
operate on their own, they are still only reflections. Ergo, not
worth
messing with (in my humble opinion).
Bob
Message: #261663, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 2:21:16 PM
Subject: #260888-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
>> I sincerely, believe that a reasonable person can develope
>> everything I've bumped into given the desire to find the
truth of
>> a thing.
The problem I have is that I'm not an abductee, nor have I ever
seen anything more than sum funny lights way up in the sky (to
the best of my conscious knowledge). So I have to rely on
reports made by others.
I work at home too, but I'm not an investigator with lots of
people contact like you are. I mostly contact my computer and a
few people in the businesses I consult for.
Dean
Message: #261667, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 2:21:03 PM
Subject: #261382-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
>> I'm aware of thought forms. They aren't new but usually
reserved for
>> those who practice magic. I've never given them much
consideration
>> as they are only reflections of someone else's will. Even
when
>> they are sufficiently sentient to operate on their own, they
are
>> still only reflections.
But what if _everyone_ normally creates thought forms in the
normal course of their existence. I never really connected the
"positive thinking" sales or goal setting seminars with magick,
but they do seem connected.
IOW, whatever we think about always generates a thought form
that lasts at least as long as that thought. If we think about
something longer, clearer and in more detail, maybe the thought
form stays around a little while after we stop thinking it.
Could it be that if enough people had basically the same
thought(s) that the thought forms might begin to get a life of
their own?
Could an individual be trained to control his thoughts in such a
way as to generate persistent thought forms on their own? And
then, could these thought forms actually intercede in our three
dimensional universe as independent beings?
Just producing some temporary thought forms.
Dean
Message: #261715, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 3:31:21 PM
Subject: #261663-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Dean:
You don't have to be an abductee to be interested in searching
out the
truth of a subject. It's coincidental that it inspired me to
look - no more.
Bob
Message: #261716, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 3:31:25 PM
Subject: #261667-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Dean:
I will agree with you about the creation of momentary thought
forms.
However, the practicalities of the human mind are such that we
typically
don't generate sufficient power to make them of any long
duration.
When they do hang around for a while, it is usually the
byproduct of
extreme and intense emotion - usually generated from the
darkside of
our natures.
If it were possible to flippantly create thought forms, most of
the
divorced people in the world would be dead from the hostility
being
directed at them during the proceedings. The inability to
control
our thoughts and emotions is the reason, I believe, we are
limited to
only 10% usage of our brains. Otherwise, we'd be wrecking havoc
on the
universe.
Bob
Message: #261714, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 3:31:19 PM
Subject: The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
>Maybe there are going to be big wars or cataclysms in the near
future and humans are using these experiences to achieve greater
adaptability to future conditions.<
Dean:
In my book I cited examples of disasters that produce
subconscious
awareness in many unrelated people over great distances. I also
proposed that the collective subconscious of man, vaguely aware
of
the upcoming calamities, was tuning up and beginning to connect
with
itself. Essentially, what you've said here.
Bob
Message: #261770, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 5:24:00 PM
Subject: #261716-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262
While and individual might not generate the "ommph" to get a
thought form going, perhaps the mass psyche or "oversoul" of man
at large might be another matter entirely. This raises some
questions.
Assuming that the visitors were "thought forms" generated by a
larger body of consciousness (the mind of man, just for
instance. Or perhaps the earth mind at large [Gaia principle])
Why?
Another question I have not seen posed to you Robert.. Why
you? Why Angelfish? Is there anything in your backround that
primed you for what has happened? [Please note that I am giving
you the benefit of the doubt that it did really happen]. Since
"they" also engage in OBE activity, is this event limited to
"this lifetime" or are you involved in an ongoing multi lifetime
training program of some sort.
dlk/co
Message: #261806, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 6:12:10 PM
Subject: The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (received)
Don
> Assuming that the visitors were "thought forms" generated by a
larger
body of consciousness (the mind of man, just for instance. Or
perhaps the
earth mind at large [Gaia principle]) Why?<
I discount the 'thought form' theory. The historical evidence
indicates
this has been around for thousands of years. Is it possible for
prehistoric man to conceive of a ufo? Not likely, he was
preoccupied with
fire. Or even in the time of Moses? No, even then we have only
one
solid similarity - 'they came from the skies'. Further, these
thought
forms were solid (angels) and had physical substance. The
evidence does
not support thought forms as the ufo perpetrators. One must
remember that
the form we are talking about is 4 dimensional - not three. Now
you will
argue that Phillip could move objects. When he lands a ufo in
front
of witnesses - then you've got a point.
Further, In my own case, the ufo thought form as made out of
hard metal
had stairs, different levels and was quite physical.
> Another question I have not seen posed to you Robert.. Why
you? Why
Angelfish? Is there anything in your backround that primed you
for what
has happened? <
Yes, however, I'm not prepared to deliver up the answer at this
time.
>[Please note that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt
that it did really happen].<
There's no need to give me the benefit of any doubt. My skin
isn't so
thin that I can't stand in the light of day on my own.
>Since "they" also engage in OBE activity, is
this event limited to "this lifetime" or are you involved in an
ongoing
multi lifetime training program of some sort.<
You don't note which 'they' you are talking about. Never the
less, the universe's program of evolved personality is multi
life time. Every
human on earth is involved in that process AND a few non humans
as well.
Bob
dlk/co
Message: #261974, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 1994 11:44:04 PM
Subject: #261250-Victimization
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
>>Re: Versions of Armageddon.
>>Why not write your own. Hey, it works for me.
This assumes I believe Armageddon will happen in my current
timeline. I'm not so sure it will. I'm thinking about creating a
reality with a pool in a very private backyard and room enough
to have all the stray cats that keep showing up at my door.
Cindy
Message: #262040, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 21, 1994 2:34:19 AM
Subject: #261714-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #262042 (1 reply)
Hi Bob,
>> In my book I cited examples of disasters that produce
subconscious
>> awareness in many unrelated people over great distances. I
also
>> proposed that the collective subconscious of man, vaguely
aware of
>> the upcoming calamities, was tuning up and beginning to
connect
>> with itself. Essentially, what you've said here.
Could be I was using you as the reference. Many times I pick
up ideas from others and then combine them with the rest of my
experience. Sometimes the result is a new idea but mostly it's
just a rephrasing of someone else.
Dean
Message: #262042, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 21, 1994 3:12:14 AM
Subject: #262040-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417
Dean:
That is a step on the road to discovery.
Bob
Message: #262573, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 22, 1994 1:14:15 AM
Subject: #262078-Believe Westbrook??????
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Ian Dubin 100314,467 (received)
Reply: #262660 (1 reply)
Ian:
In answer to your question about what to believe, I have this
answer.
1. Follow your own intellect and instincts.
2. Trust what makes sense to you.
Your confusion is one of the reasons I don't read ufo books. I
didn't
want to cloud 'my personal' vision with other's ideas. In fact,
I just
got done discussing this with Don Kirsch who (I suspect) felt I
was
a micron away from being a book burner.
I'd like to set something straight. I recently came to
understand
that most view me as a hell and brimstone writer. It was never
my
intent to promote a doomsday image. My book was started while I
was
suspicious be still really didn't know. I am a cynic and have a
good
eye for bulls... when I see it (Wanna hire me OJ?). As I
progressed
thru the Bible, the logic related to AND continued having
interactive
experiences with the bad guys, the cynicism grew to an almost
rabid
hatred up UNTIL I managed to create a defense - The Cage. Once I
had
them off my backside, I was able to gain a little perspective on
the
deal. When I'm finally getting comfortable with this - in walk
the
Noshaimus and the spiritual (almost) angle to the deal. And so
it goes.
For the last several months, I've been the receipient of some
new
insight - a new piece of the puzzle I didn't have or some
derivitive
logic that expanded the vista to some degree. However, up until
the
entry of the Noshaimus, this has all been a victim's tale. As I
flunked groveling 101, it's not one I found agreeable.
The Noshaimus, however, filled a missing piece to the logic.
Specifically, while the so called miracles of the old testament
had
a technological footprint associated with them, the miracles of
Jesus
did not. It was difficult for me to put a handle of Nordic on
Joshua
Ben Joseph - so I settled for "At this point, I do not know". I
have
since discovered he was not a Nordic but Noshaimus. This brings
into
focus the 'Good Guys' aspect of the scenario and one that also
puts
a positive light on things.
During the course of my investigations, I hit several
milestones.
1. "I must be crazy - this can't be true". I went so far as to
have
my sanity tested professionally.
2. "Fear". The more I dug, and the closer I got - I hit walls of
fear
in varying degrees surpassing terror.
3. "Freedom" - release. I am no longer being victimized as an
abductee
and I've cleared out all the garbage that was shoveled
between my
ears from all the years that I was an abductee.
4. "Awakening". An awareness of, and contact with, the
Noshaimus.
If you want to put this into it's simpliest understandable
form,
Inactivity with Angels.
5. What's next? (Overlay Mission Impossible Music Here) I
suspect
I have a task to perform. One that I have felt would be mine
all
my life. My personal appointment with destiny. A VERY
POSITIVE
AND UPLIFTING MOMENT IN TIME.
It's easy to focus only on the negative (look what we have for a
President). However, REmember, in the Armageddon Scenario, those
taken
in the Rapture are not being harvested. At one time I thought
this
was so but modified my view with the entry of the Noshaimus.
They are
being save, moved, evolved or graduated to the next level. Those
who remain are going to be shoveling some heavy manure.
In my book, I pointed that Africa would be the hardest hit of
the
continents - and so it is beginning. And yet, they did it to
themselves.
Whether the Nordics manipulated the situation or not is
academic. The
bottom line is - our cooperation in our own destruction is
necessary.
The solution is simple - Don't do it.
I'm reminded of the religious definitions of Sh*t Happens
For Protestants - Let this sh*t happen to someone else.
For Catholic - If sh*t happens, you deserved it.
For Hindus - This sh*t has happened before.
For Jews - Why does this sh*t always happen to us.
And Westbrook's 1994 Collorary.
This sh*t doesn't have to happen to me.
Bob
Message: #262660, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 22, 1994 6:02:16 AM
Subject: #262573-Believe Westbrook??????
From: Ian Dubin 100314,467
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob
Thank you, I need some time to digest your message. I may not
agree with you but you sure as S*** have a great style to put it
across.
Ian Dubin
Message: #262926, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 22, 1994 5:59:27 PM
Subject: #262573-Believe Westbrook??????
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Robert
There is a theme which seems to fit the story you tell.
I tend to lean in this direction but do not fully understand the
implications.
It has to do with the anchoring of frequencies here on the
earth so that they may be available for others to tune into. We
as act as anchors by simply holding a concept ( such as the
peaceful resolution of conflict ) within our belief matrix as a
possibility providing an alternative to tried and true methods.
This is contrary to the desires of those who control,
promote, and delight in the generation of fear, despair, and
sorrow.
An anchor is not traceable, but the frequency anchored IS.
If an anchor for an undesireable frequency were to be found
out action would be taken to convert it or neutralize it.
This is a theme which appears again and again across a wide
spectrum of works. Tesla is offered as an example of one who was
found out and neutralized. It has also been stated that there
are ageless ones who are here in physical form who do nothing
but visualize ideals for the benefit of the rest of us.
dlk
Message: #263052, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 22, 1994 11:48:24 PM
Subject: #260888-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262
Do you have any information on who the author or authors are of
The Urantia Book? I know it says "various clestial
personalities" and losts them section by section, but is there
any link between these sources and real live people with an
address? I am curious, that's all. I have a copy of The Urantia
Book, and it makes very positive and interesting reading, but I
have this nagging need to know "where did this stuff REALLY come
from?" Along with these questions, what is your personal system
for determining the validity or truth of something like The
Urantia Book? I have always been stumped on that one. Regards...
Mike Borger
Message: #263315, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 23, 1994 3:10:20 PM
Subject: #262926-Believe Westbrook??????
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
I like my version of reality if for no other reason it's simple
and
not convolulted by extraneous thought. Essentially you're saying
we
make our own reality AND to degree that is true. Logically,
however,
it presupposes that we are number one on the food chain AND are
the
absolute masters of our destiny. If, on the other hand, we find
ourselves
one notch down on the chain and subject to the whim of another
party,
the logic follows that we are the masters of our destinies to
the limit
permitted by the imposed structure.
As an example.
In my book, I noted that for a variety of reasons, Africa would
be
hardest hit by Armageddon. I pointed to a historical foundation
of
material indicating the many of the manmade disasters (war) was
the
product of covert manipulations (presumably Nordic) for the
purpose
of generating the products they desired (corpses). I also noted
a
historical periodicity in the 'great' disasters and plagues -
700 years
and point out that (guess what boys and girls ) we are near the
700 year marker.
Your concept of anchoring is valid ONLY IF we are the dominant
force
in the food chain. The evidence is massive towards the opposite
conclusion.
EVEN SO, we are the final arbiters of whether or not we CHOOSE
to allow
ourselves to be the objects of these manipulations and whether
or not
we will go along. We don't have to do it. Back on the other side
of the
scale we have a plantary history of leaders and individuals
falling
prey to the seven deadly sins with no indicator that human
nature is
suddenly going to change.
MY MAJOR POINT IS..... We can change ourselves individually and
the
rewards for doing so will present themselves. We are not judged
as a
species, or by form of government, nor by race or religion.
Judgement
is personal and rendered per individual and based upon the
implimentation
of our personal free wills. This is the message of the Nohsaimus
(one of them anyway).
There are no deep dark secrets here.
Bob
Message: #263516, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 23, 1994 10:14:15 PM
Subject: #263052-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael Borger 71736,3374
Mike:
I too looked thru the book for this info but didn't care enough
to follow
it up. They have a phone number and fax line, why don't you
contact them
and ask. Better from the horse's mouth than the other end.
I've always take 'channeled' info with a BIG GRAIN OF SALT and
still do.
I can't speak to the accuracy of other's encounters. Of my own
(and this
is new to me), I can say that the Nohsaimus are in nearly
constant
contact with me and I am in contact (through abductees other
than myself) with Nordics. Preparations are being made for a
face to face
meeting between Nohsaimus representatives (human) and the
Nordics.
Bob
Message: #263554, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 23, 1994 11:54:10 PM
Subject: #263516-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #263576 (2 replies)
The Urantia material reads well, but as you alluded to in your
note, how do you decide what is valid and what is bogus?
Regards... Mike Borger
Message: #263613, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 2:16:05 AM
Subject: #263554-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael Borger 71736,3374
Mike:
I have a more interesting question.
If you have a full copy of my book, how is it I was able to
deduce the
the structure of things AND many of the specifics (as it is laid
out
in Urantia) without ever having seen the book?
The only logic answer is that any seeker of truth who follow's
its
logical trail will cross paths with those things that also lay
on
that path. The Urantia Book lays right in the middle of that
road.
There is no other logical explanation for such a profound
coincidence.
Bob
Message: #5437, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 4:36:26 AM
Subject: various
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: sysop
Gentlemen:
A couple of pieces of information you may find useful.
1. I developed a simple (although unsightly) device that
prevents
bedroom abductions. It has been tested and works.
2. In a recent trip to Colorado (ufo related), I discovered two
sets of bones. One, I feel belongs to an animal - possibly
a mountain lion. The other bone is unique and unusual. It
is so perfectly made as to appear as if it were machined.
I've sent it out for analysis. My suspicion is it belongs
to a Gray.
Message: #5438, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 5:03:07 AM
Subject: abduction prevention
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: all
Folks:
I've uploaded a file called 'sheild.txt'. I describes a chain of
events that that eventually led to the creation of a simple
device that prevents bedroom abductions. It has been tested and,
so far, scores a 100% success rate.
For most of my life, I've been an abductee, no more. Those
wishing to end this nightmare for themselves have only to invest
about 50 bucks in materials and a couple of hours of elbow
grease.
Bob Westbrook
Message: #5439, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 6:30:08 AM
Subject: LA Blasted Dream
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert Travell 74633,1426
Robert:
I too had a series of dreams about LA being nuked. The first was
in
1988.
In it, I was in my car - leaving my house to go to work. I saw a
flash of light coming from downtown LA and my engine quit. Then,
a few
points off to the right of the first blast, I saw a second. I
realized
we were being nuked and ran back to my house so I could at least
die with
my family.
In the second, I saw the blast crater.
In the third, I saw a copy of the Los Angeles Times. I was
reduce to
being only 4 pages big. I was living in the San Bernardino
mountains
in the dream and riding a motorcycle. I gave up bikes a long
time ago
as I wasn't suicidal.
In the fourth, I saw the whole bombing event and 'knew' they
were
Chinese missiles.
I'm not the only one who has had this one. Several people have
mentioned
to me they've seen portions of LA blasted or burning. Whaddya
think,
Rodney King party #2 or will we have the OJ Fiesta?
Bob
Message: #5440, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 6:30:01 AM
Subject: Fear
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Lauren Rose 76711,110
Lauren:
I read your post on fear. I've been writing about this for some
time.
Related to ufo abductions - there is a progression involved in
the
conquest of fear. Each stage is more terrifying than the first
until
finally you break free.
In my own case, I began to suspect abductions. Waking up naked
when I'd
gone to be with clothing on, cuts and scratches I didn't have
when I
had gone to bed. Dreams of fighting and then waking up dinged
up.
When I started thinking back into my life, I remembered that I
had
actually run into two Nordics while hiking in the mountains
behind L.A.,
had seen the ship - been taken into it - and had the standard
procedures
performed on my genitals. Once I remembered the beginnings of
the
encounter, I sought out a ufo hypnotist and started putting the
pieces
together.
The first fear you run into - is going to sleep. Is the boogey
man
going to get you. For months, I questioned my own sanity to the
point,
I had myself tested. I came back as normal.
Then I started researching, and thinking and thinking and
thinking.
The closer I got to understanding what was going to - the more
unexplained fear was generated. As I am not by nature a fearful
person,
I concluded that this reaction had been programmed into me
during
the abductions. "Don't look - Don't tell - Or Else.........."
Fear is the tool left to enforce the abductive edicts.
People deal with fear differently. Avoidance would seem to be
the
dominant reaction. I'm wierd in this regard. The more scared I
get,
the more aggressive I come out. I refuse to be intimidated and I
demand
that I am in control of my life.
Having constructed 'The Shield', I no longer am an abductee.
However, something unique and wonderful came out of my
emancipation from
the Nordics and Grays. An awakening - not of a religious genre -
but
an awareness of things I had not previously noticed. I also came
into
contact with people who were dealing with the same issues.
One such lady - after constructing her version of my cage -
became
highly psychic. So much so, that I decided to check her out. She
sent
me to Colorado (3 weeks ago). She described the place I was
going,
landmarks etc and did it accurately. There, I discovered two
different
sents of bones.
One obviously belongs to an animal, the other appears to have
been
manufactured artificially even though it is covered in a bone
like
substance. It appears to be the shin bone. If so, the critter
this
came off of stood 3 to 4 feet tall. My guess for the other one
is
a mountain lion. It might be that a Gray was dinner for a
mountain lion
and the lion died immediately afterwards alluding to a toxic
nature
in the Gray. I've sent the bones out for testing. Nature, as a
rule,
does not manufacture bones with drill holes in them either nor
are the
connectors for the feet perfectly circular. While I'm not an md,
common sense says there's something interesting here.
Back to fear. I too have seen two of my friends beaten for
information.
The Nordics are sociopathic - but they have some serious
limitations in
what they can and can't do. Be this as it may - once you
eliminate the
possibility of bedroom abduction, their only other alternative
is to
risk injury at your hands in an outside encounter. This, the
seem
very disinclined to do. They are cowards hiding behind their
technology.
Strip them of it, and they're as vulnerable as we are AND they
are
exceptionally paranoid.
Furthermore, as they appear as human as we do, they easily walk
among
us furthering their interests in our genetic goodies. It's
struck me
as odd that no one has considered they might be inclined to
operate
in the funeral industries - specifically crematoriums. Here they
can
snip and clip all they want and the evidence gets burned
afterwards.
As long as you don't care if your dna specimens come from a
living
or dead body - you're in pretty good shape. I consider it no
small
irony that such an operation exists within a couple of miles of
my
1963 daylight abduction. It is even more curious that the
operator of
this facility is a six foot perfectly blonde male about 28 years
old
and he has to other perfectly blonde brothers with him.
I've seen one of them and learned of the other two when I
queried the
Mexican who operates the ovens. Of the one I saw, It was instant
hatred
the moment we made eye contact - and it was mutual. We made each
other.
Two months ago, I set out three traps that would record the
presence
of any strong magnetic anomoly. One up in the mountain where I
felt
the ship would make it's approach towards the
crematoria/graveyard.
I put two down near the graveyard, one on the north side, one on
the
south. The mountain trap did not spring, however, the other two
did.
Indicating they are no longer landing in the mountain as they
did
in 1963 when I was picked up, but are actually landing in the
graveyard.
Further, based upon the conditions of the traps, I'd say they
land
on the south side of the area. Incidentally, this graveyard is
surrounded
by a tall wall.
My next step is to define the time periods by putting the traps
back
out and attempting to deduce the pick up schedule. Incidentally,
the oldest marker in the graveyard is 1896. From 1896 until
1942,
the property was owned by one individual. Then it changed hands
into
a corporate vehicle until 1993. The documents on it show it
listed
not as a cemetery but a 'retail speciality store'. (they have a
sense
of humor) and there is a second ficitious business name involved
as
well as a second business location.
Incidentally, I am a professional private investigator and the
resources
for these background queries are at my fingertips.
The problem with the professional ufo types is that they're
always looking for this ships when its obvious our technology
isn't going to
catch them. We need to bag the buggers on the ground and away
from their toys and they leave mundane trails as well. Once
you've seen a Nordic,
you'd be able to make him out of a crowd of a 100 identical
blondes.
Incidentally, they are not allowed to kill us. Accidents happen
once in a
while, however, the historical evidence indicates they may not
directly
murder one of us. They do, however, manipulate us into killing
ourselves.
I picked up the historical trail at 6000 B.C. In that time,
little has
changed. Once I realized this limitation - fear was a thing of
the past.
Bob
Message: #263733, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 10:53:17 AM
Subject: Dead Artists Come Alive
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #263744 (1 reply)
[from Shannon] >>I've always taken 'channeled' info with a BIG
GRAIN OF SALT and still do.<<
Me too, until I saw the video "UFO's and Channeling" (1989). It
starts out with the late Telly Savalas (aka TV's Kojak) talking
about Meier's and other UFO photos, including garbagecanlid-ball
bearing types and things that look to me like lens reflections
of the sun. NOT impressed - yet! Then it has a couple of people
channeling in odd accents on video, and I'm thinking, OK, maybe,
maybe not, (all the channelers gave the same message pretty
much: now is the time to find the cosmic consciousness within
you) and I'm thinking "Riiiiight."
Then comes the absolutely most amazing video I've ever seen in
this lifetime, without qualification whatsoever:
This younger fellow goes into a trance in front of a large
drawing tablet with a big pile of colored chalk on the table.
While shaking his head and body rather violently, his eyes
closed, most of the time turning his head over his shoulder, his
arms shaking and hands moving slightly and in a rythym, he grabs
a piece of chalk, holds it lengthwise against the paper, and
starts to draw PERFECT masterpiece after masterpiece, signing
each with a different Old Master's signature (I don't know if
these signatures or styles matched; I'm not into art much)
including da Vinci, Renoir, Picasso, etc. OK I'm thinking, now
he could have an impression hidden under the sheet. But then it
shows him finish one and do a totally different artist and style
on the sheet directly underneath. Then he does TWO SEPARATE
drawings at the same time by two different artists, one with
each hand, on the same paper. He also does a perfect portrait of
a woman COMPLETELY UPSIDE DOWN IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES!
As if that's not enough, then they give him acrylic paints and
stretched canvas and he starts doing fantastically accurate
paintings, full of completely natural color selections, WITH HIS
FINGERS AND HANDS, USING ONE HAND AS A PALLETTE. Then he does
complete paintings with BOTH FEET, USING HIS TOES AS BRUSHES! I
kid you not, these are true works of art, done in mere minutes,
fully proportioned human figures and faces, full of expression,
shaded perfectly, signed in each artist's style as well, so it
says. You should see the Van Gogh he whips out in a mere 3-4
minutes, even pounding the paint with his knuckles. Talk about a
heavy style; the person holding one of the paintings gets her
hand in the way and gets it painted, slapped and manipulated as
the artist's personality and impatience comes out. The video
says the entities previously came to a decision to do this as a
group thing for fun. The only other possible explanation other
than dead artist ghosts I can think of would be some
fantastically advanced aliens somewhere playing a practical
joke. But then, they would have to be excellent artists where
they're from, too.
WARNING: Don't anybody see this video if you want to hold on to
a cozy belief system. It has flabbergasted me, for want of a
better term.
There are other messages of interest from the voice channelers,
but they don't have the physical evidence like The Artist.
On UFO's and Time: One 'entity' says there are three kinds of
craft visiting us. One is made of light, one is made of
hardware, and there is a third type that comes from our past and
our future. Time there is "broken, there is no time."
Shannon
PS The Artist usually does all this with the lights out; they
only used them to take the video. Also, when changing colors and
signing works, he hangs his head over the chalkpile or signature
area of the work, so I can't tell if the eyes are needed, even
if still closed. He also says he is having running conversations
with the master artist while this is going on, and learns
fascinating things in this way. He allows them to access his
motor control at the base of his brainstem in his neck area.
Message: #5457, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 10:44:14 AM
Subject: #5437-various
From: Paul Grand [Wizop] 76360,2721
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
It sounds like you should get in contact with the show's
Researchers...
You should address this type of information to "Encounters
Staff" at 74663,3011.
In the meanwhile, I have forwarded your message to them.
Keep us informed!
Best regards,
Paul Grand
Associate Producer/Sysop
Message: #263757, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 11:53:24 AM
Subject: #263613-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262
Robert, see my message to Shannon on channeling/tuning a belief
matrix. If you are open to the idea, and your tuning has
randomly found the channel, than you "get" the information. I
say random because most of us are not able to "consciously" tune
the dial. There is a law of sorts which describes the phenomena
of synchronicity (which is what you are talking about when you
speak of seekers crossing paths with truth). Like attracts
Like/Birds of a feather. But the interest most be there. Interst
"sensitises" your awareness to trap such intersections with the
"target" information obviously.
If the missing link (that AHAA! part of the puzzle) in the
cure for cancer were to arrive in my daughters mind -- it would
pass right on through unnoticed in favor of more important
things like "Home Improvements" on the tube.
To rephrase it in the terms of sports and success;
"Luck" is when preparation meets opportunity.
Message: #263945, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 5:17:12 PM
Subject: #263757-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
I don't agree with the 'law of synchronicity. As my counterpart
is ahead
of me in this - she says that to communicate with these people,
you must
first learn to listen. Therefore, you go into the theta zone and
wait
for them to contact you. Your presence there attracts immediate
attention. After you've learned to hear, then you can learn to
talk.
Actually, the process is nearly the same as with a newborn.
First they
hear and later learn to formulate words.
I agree that interest attracts but feel it is more than that
too.
I suspect you have to be of a genre an angel would WANT to
associate with you. I am far from a goody goody but am amazed
at the acceptance I have received.
Bob
Message: #263903, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 4:36:29 PM
Subject: #263613-The Lucifer Rebellion
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
That is really something, and I must say there HAS to be
something to it when you have those kind of experiences. I will
look into the Urantia book some more and perhaps we can talk
more. Thanks for your reply. Regards... Mike Borger
Message: #263944, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 5:17:09 PM
Subject: #263744-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
At last we find something we agree on although I have a slightly
different perspective on it.
I do believe this is generic and trust me, If I can do it ANYONE
CAN.
I have always failed at meditation and relaxation. It's not my
'gift'
that this as come to me easily. Now, that I am having some
success with
it - tells me that others can.
I'm not channeling though. I'm in school (first grade) and
uncharacteristically humbled by the experience. Of my teacher I
can say
this - What a doll!. I do my best not to lust in her presence.
Bob
Message: #263943, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 5:17:06 PM
Subject: #263733-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Shannon:
Interesting post on channeling. I recently went to Colorado
armed only
with channeled info. There I found most of what I had been told
I would
find and a bonus - bones. Some which appear artificial, in as
much, as
they appear machined.
A few months ago, I purchased a brain wave sychronizer from
Tiger Soft
for #300.00. I felt that the Nordics use a Theta Wave for their
mental
communications and quickly discovered our technology isn't up to
making radios for these frequencies. I then reasoned, if they
could do
it - so could I and endeavored to tune 'me' up to the task. It
has worked
and had results I didn't anticipate and fall under the heading
of
channeling.
The sychronizer quickly 'taught' me how to do this without the
machine.
However, I occasionally go back to it to reinforce prior
lessons. I noted
that after a while when I would go into the Theta Zone that I
would
see certain 'standard' items. The first being a white light that
eventually took the form of a two dimensional cloud outline. I
found that
if I directed my attention into the cloud and let it engulf me,
I would
be in the zone. There, I've had to opportunity to meet with a
female
who is teaching me how to go beyond what I've figured out. This
entity
is an angel (no wings - they itch and were only for our
benefit). She
is quite beautiful and has no resemblance at all to Nordics whom
I know
well.
I noted that when I would leave the zone, I would have a slight
bodywide
tremor. Your account of the channeling artist brought this to
mind.
That tremor has now increased. It only occurs in the theta zone.
I'm
in perfect health and there is no pathology here. Incidentally,
I know
another lady undergoing the same thing and we compare notes
daily.
Her tutor, however, is male and she is ahead of me in results. I
allow this to the fact that I have a head as thick as a rock.
She reports that the purpose is to teach us how to travel to
where they
are. She calls it body harmonics. Getting the body to vibrate at
a
frequency that permits us to slip into a 4 dimensional state.
Not only
the mind - EVERYTHING. This also serves as a security device
against
Nordics as it allows escape from anywhere. Try it in a conscious
state,
you'll find that you can't get the whole body to tremor. An arm,
a leg
sure - but not the whole thing. When you hit the theta zone -
the brain
takes over the whole carcass.
In my 1963 abduction, I saw two Nordics disappear right in front
of my
eyes. I always felt they had some hidden device in their
clothing that
allowed them to do this. Upon reflection - my conclusion may
have been
wrong.
As Nordics are the off spring of angels (of the fallen variety)
and humans, it follows they would have taught them the tricks of
the trade
as well.
It's getting to be a very interesting world.
Bob
Message: #264140, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 1:59:27 AM
Subject: #263944-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #264147 (1 reply)
I trust she would appreciate an apple ;)
One of the basic premises of "new age" dogma is that such
occurances
will become commonplace rather than unique. John Chilton Pierce
(Crack in the Cosmic Egg & Magical Child) talks of how we
educate
the innate ability OUT of our children and the possibilities if
we
were to nurture this very special connection from birth.
Many authors actually refer to this RE-connection [to home] as
the "second coming" of the Christos. Not in a man, but rather
in mankind. I like this
view and would hope that it be true. But I am only acting here
as
a reporter of the literature I have encountered. My own feeling
is
largely neutral.
Ken Carey takes the idea a step further going so far as to say
that
mankind is the nervous system of the earth bio-system [gaia in
full
flower]. As each individual "cell" awakens there will be a
harmony
which will change the face of the earth. Carey claims that this
is actually the third trimester for the "earth fetus" and this
"armegeddon" which everyone speaks of is actually a birth in
progress
of a "star child". The visitors in this unique perspective may
be
viewed as midwives assisting in something very grand. It is
emphasized
again and again that WHATEVER is actually going on here. It is
important
enough to sentient beings that they stop and watch. Apparently
what is
happening is the prototype for even greater plans.
I would be very interested in hearing the nuts and bolts of
"how" you
established your connection when you are comfortable with
releasing that
information.
Again, I do not expect you to "buy into" these ideas. I'm not
sure I do.
Though some of the concepts are quite seductive.
dlk/co
Message: #264147, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:44:17 AM
Subject: #264140-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
Actually, I've already posted how I came into my connection.
After I
succeeded in conquering my fear, I was contacted by the
Nohsaimus.
Following this I was given a indwelling adjuster, essentially
a guardian angel. But she does more than sit around and look. I
am
undergoing a metamorphasis - a change from what I was - to what
I will
be. I know of one other this is currently happening with and I
do
not think myself unique. I think we all can do it. It is a very
positive
adventure, one that is largely mental but with real world
observable physical results.
You have only to look to the predictions I made in my book. I
said
that Africa would be the first and the worst hit of the
continents.
I've further noted that South Africa will fall into turmoil as
well.
But when it does - civilization on the bulk of the continent
will be
lost for a long time.
I predicted killer earthquakes for California - it happened. I
predicted
massive natural disorders on unprecendented scales. Already we
have had the 500 year flood. And it's going to get worse. The
U.S. will suffer the least because of our infrastructure,
building codes and the like. The rest of the world will not fare
as well.
All this material is proveable as preexisting the events.
However,
in response to the demand of users here, I made a prediction on
4/12
of a small quake in LA three hours before it actually occured.
All of these things began to occur AFTER I had removed the
Nordics and the abduction scernarios from my life. Aside from
fighting with them, I then prevented the abductions and placed
myself out of range of their manipulations. In closing that
nasty door behind me, a kinder gentler
one opened in front of me. I'll repeat myself. The truth is
rarely as convoluted as many of the writings you quote and why I
have religiously avoided reading them.
I 'know' that everyone can make this jump if they 'let go the
fear'.
Don't ask me how. Fear is very personal and is different for
each person.
I do know this. One billion people will be spared the ordeal of
Armageddon - those who use this time to succeed. Those who
remain, will face unimaginable horror. I hate to be negative on
this, and don't want to be viewed as a fear monger.
Never-the-less, the things I've seen recently, have made me
aware the Nordics are far worse than even I imagined and I
haven't been one of their cheerleaders.
Bob
results.
Message: #264141, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 2:19:09 AM
Subject: #263943-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #264148 (1 reply)
Robert;
Do you have a contact number or address for that device?
Message: #264148, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:48:24 AM
Subject: #264141-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don:
Which device are you talking about?
If the Brainwave syncronizer - it's sold by Tiger Software and
they
have an 800 #, call information.
If the abduction shield, you have to make your own.
The Manufacturer is
Zygon International Inc
206-885-9200
Redmond, WA
Bob
Message: #264161, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 6:17:05 AM
Subject: Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Ian Dubin 100314,467
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
Thanks for your message and advice, I do tend to follow my own
intuitions, else I would not be where I am nor be capable of
corresponding with the people on this forum.
It's Sunday night for me and I have spent the day reading 'Alien
Encounters', by David Jacobs, a historian at Temple University,
who has put something together based on interviews and hypnotic
regression with a lot of abductees. His book (Virgin Publishing,
332 Ladbroke Grove London W10 5AH, 1994, ISBN 0 86369 727 5)
discusses the experiences of approximately fifty people,
Americans, who have apparently been victimized in this
phenomenon. Their experiences add up to some sort of controlled
breeding programme by 'grays'. He does not use that term, but
from his descriptions, that's what they are. I accept his
methodology as appropriate, and his information as generally
factual. His conclusions follow from his information and they
are
very similar to some of the things you have written and which
other correspondents have set out in this forum. The sexual
aspects of abductions were new to me, but again, they are
consistent with the overall programme, if you are prepared to
accept that as part of the 'Alien Agenda'.
Now, I understand and accept your statement that you "don't read
ufo books". Fair enough, I only mention this one to you to try
and get your perspective as an abductee (see note) on a couple
of points of detail that struck me about Jacobs' book. Your
experiences, seem to involve several different types of entity,
Grays, Nordics, Noshaimus: In Jacobs book we have the grays,
short., frail, large heads, large black eyes- I don't have to
describe them to you, but Jacob's analysis seems to indicate a
second type of 'gray', slightly taller, same physiognomy, more
active and authoritative- they are the ones the short grays call
when the abductee resists- they are the ones who do the
intrusive
mental procedures that Jacobs characterizes as 'Mindscan'. Can
you cast any light on this disparity? Have you seen different
types of 'grays'?
Note: Bob, I only know about you what I have received on
Compuserve in the last two months or so. I have downloaded and
read the excerpts from your book 'A Survivor's Guide..." and
this
week sometime I will probably get around to mailing you a disk
to get the rest of it. As I understand it, you are an abductee
and have constructed some means of resisting, and have managed
to free yourself from their shackles. Good on ya mate. I may
have
missed a lot of stuff before I signed onto this forum. If I ask
you questions you have already answered, sorry, I have still not
figured out how to get historical correspondence from the net
(and have not really tried too hard, I must admit, it is
difficult enough to find the time to pursue the current stuff).
Please do not think I am obtuse, I am just new at this medium.
To get back to my questions, none of the Jacobs interviewees
mention anything that could be construed as a 'Nordic' (although
they do refer to interactions with adolescent creatures who are
human/alien hybrids). So where do the Nordics fit in your
experience, how do they link into the 'grays' programme, and
where do the Noshaimus come in as they do not seem to be common
experience among Jacob's abductees either?
Plus, do you know where the Noshaimus maintain recruiting
offices? I'm fit, single, spiritually aware and bored with my
job. Maybe I can pass you a copy of my CV for the next time you
run into them? ( about 90%)
You're certainly right about Africa getting it in the kisser and
I believe, Alien visitors or not, this is, as you put it, only
the precursor. As I have pointed out previously, the least
unattractive of the disaster scenarios is the one where we all
starve to death in about sixty years. If the Nordics, or
whoever,
come along and tip over our little applecart, they are really
only going to be preventing us from doing it to ourselves. This
of course, does not make it any more acceptable.
And you are also right on about the need to be positive: alright
you do have to put up with Fred Clintstone running your part of
the planet, and that must be depressing as hell, but do you
really think he'll make any difference one way or another in the
long run? The more I read of secret CIA plots and the more I see
of the way history has been (and is being) shaped, the more
apparent it becomes that most western politicians are window
dressing for the real powers. No problem with that, I live in a
town where the Government is often only a rubber stamp for Big
Money and the People's Republic - and who (or what) is running
the PRC?
Well, hell, it's fun to write this stuff and even more fun to
think about it. Does this make me a dilettante? I guess it does,
but then again, I've never been abducted. And perhaps, thanks to
you and some of the others around here, I never will.
Take care, Bob. Maybe this shit will only happen to those who
aren't smart enough to duck when the dung is flung.
Ian Dubin
SSA1OC:\WP51.P\UFO\AWAKE94.724
Message: #5537, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 11:03:23 PM
Subject: #5502-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Myke:
I'm not so sure that it is impossible to catch them on film. My
partner in Hawaii has been plagued with abductions for some
time. Since using
my shield - she no longer has any problems. However, during the
attempts, her security lights would come off and on by
themselves.
Fans would operate although they were turned off etc.
In my own instance, I devised a way to tell if any anomolous
magnetic
energy had entered my bedroom. I was looking for evidence of the
dimensional doorway I had 'seen' during prior experiences. I
found
the evidence and based upon it and some logic constructed a
shield.
People give these 'aliens' more credit than they really deserve.
They
screw up all the time. The 3 1/2 foot Grays , for example, only
have
an IQ of about 80. Hardly genius material.
Just because they're hard to catch, doesn't means it's
impossible.
You just have to learn to think like they do and it isn't that
difficult
one you understand a sociopathic mentality.
Bob
Message: #5536, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 1994 11:03:18 PM
Subject: #5510-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Meryl Johnson 73770,1015 (received)
Meryl:
Obe communications with Nordics is possible. However, they can't
touch
you in this form and it is totally noninjurious unless you're
working
with less than a full deck to start with.
Those who return dinged up from abductions are usually the one's
that
fight. I fell into this classification until I learned how to
stop them.
I've uploaded a file in the abductions subsection called,
Shield.txt.
It details how to build a cheap device that totally 100%
prevents
bedroom abductions. It has been tested in battle and works.
Bob
Message: #5540, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 12:28:26 AM
Subject: #5538-UFO Encounter
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Jon Hart 74521,1267
Jon:
Last Thursday, my son saw a ship. I caught his attention because
of
a red light. Yes, others have seen it.
As to it passing thru telephone lines - The ships power source
permits
them to phase, in various degrees. Meaning that they can do
partial
or total dimensional jumps. 4D movement implies that 3D
substances
become irrelevant with a few exceptions. At first blush, I'd
question
your perspective on the incident but, if you still held solid on
it,
dimensional shifts are well within the norm of material reported
about
ufos.
I am more concerned about your Gray dreaming after the incident.
It is axiomatic that once abducted, they keep coming back. They
don't
do quickies or one night stands. One of the ways abductees begin
to
come aware of what has been happening to them is thru dreams.
The
subconscious starts kicking loose material a little at a time in
doses
you can handle. Assuming the worse, ask yourself these
questions.
1. Do you wake up in the morning with nicks or scratches you
didn't go
to bed with.
2. Do you wake up naked or with your clothing on differently
then you
went to bed with (disallowing for normal nocturnal tendencies
).
3. Do you have dreams wherein you are floating in a white light?
4. Do you have dreams wherein you are pinned to a metal table?
5. Do you have sore genitals without explanation? Ditto for
rashes.
6. Have you ever shown evidence of knowing things that you knew
you
could not have know and if so, is it consistent?
7. Related to ufos - do you feel your dreams of Grays make you
special,
or chosen for some special purpose?
8. Do you feel your experience was of a spiritual nature?
9. In your life, do you have any instance of missing time?
10. Is your IQ 125 or over?
If your answers to these questions are predominantly yes, you
have
something to look into.
Also, there is a ufo forum here on cis > Go Newage. You'll find
it.
Bob
Message: #5550, S/3 Abductions
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 2:07:01 AM
Subject: #5439-LA Blasted Dream
From: ROBERT TRAVELL 74633,1426
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #5556 (1 reply)
Bob,
The "burning of the cities", and the "evaporation" of the cities
have all been predicted. Like yourself, I've had many friends
who have had similar dreams. With the exception of one dream
(when I was about twelve)MY dreams have all been "post
catastrophy". In these dreams I am usually standing on asphalt
that is covered with water (sort of like after a big rain in a
parking lot) except the shining surface is as far as the eye can
see. As if all was wiped out. I'm aware in my dream that the
time is after the catastrophy. It is all very calm. I am also
acutely aware that there are no more negative vibes in the air.
Just a great calm. I always awake with mixed emotions. 1) how
beautiful the calm was. 2) how desolate it all seemed. I have
personal reason to believe this is all going to happen in the
very near future. There have been too many people from too many
different sources saying the same thing. I think your dream (if
it wasnt just a result of some of the t.v. shows -which were
pretty graphic-on the subject of wwIII) could have been a
glimpse into the future. On that subject(going into the future
in your dreams), I know it is true, because it has happened to
me several times. Once I related a bizarre dream to a friend
(the morning after I had it), and 3 or 4 months later that same
individual was with me when the dream came true, exactly like I
related it to him. In fact he was the one who remembered the
dream. This has happened to me on numerous occasions, where
I've told the dream, and later it comes true.This also a part of
my belief system which addresses the "multi dimensional aspects
of existence". On the Rodney King thing: It was predicted in
l955 ( or thereabouts) that if we didnt settle our racial
problems in the u.s., blood would run through the cities and our
"ever watchful, inveterate enemies would wreak their havoc from
the air, raining weapons of destruction on those same cities".
There has been too much talk of "white power vs black power" to
suit me. Like R. King said "cant we all get along"(g). This
african american on Phil Donahue show said they were giving us
til '95 (then watch out). This was said twice by two completely
different groups. Then I heard the aryan nation (or someone
similar) say after the bombing of the synagogue, "that was just
the tip of the iceberg! We are stronger that you think", and
they are anticipating a BIG race war! This (the aryan ) was a
call-in on the Ray Taliafero talk show. If you are on the west
coast check it out - KGO 1 to 4 am. Anyway...it doesnt look like
we have "settled the racial problems" so maybe the next part of
that prediction has to come true. It was also intimated in l955
that the 3rd WW had already started in North Korea! When all
this hoopla about nuclear inspection denial, and further about
North Korea selling arms (possibly nuclear now that we know they
have the capabilities) to Syria, Iraq, Iran??? Could these be
our ever watchful inveterate enemies....something to think
about. Thats where UFO's come in.....hopefully!!! More on ufos
another time.
Bob, the time on your message was 4:30 am sun the 24th. could
you verify that time. I'm trying to figure out how the time is
logged on my messages. My time or the different times (east
coast-west coast etc.)
Robert
Message: #5556, S/3 Abductions
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:48:12 AM
Subject: #5550-LA Blasted Dream
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: ROBERT TRAVELL 74633,1426 (received)
Robert:
I'm on Pacific Daylight Time.
Re: Destructions.
You may wish to download the bit of my book, "A Survivor's Guide
To
Armageddon" from the newage library. The picture here is much
bigger
and goes back much longer than you can imagine, 10,000 years. It
also
offers hope as well.
Bob
Message: #5553, S/3 Abductions
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:20:02 AM
Subject: #5439-LA Blasted Dream
From: ROBERT TRAVELL 74633,1426
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob, I read you message to Lauren "fear". It was really
fascinating to say the least! Im not being facitious when I ask
if you really go to cemeterys and lay traps for these people?
I'm not doubting you, but I've had bizarre experiences from age
three, also unexplained body marks. One was a perfect purple
triangle(1"x1"x1") on my right calf. Another a larger triangle
that appeared more like a radiation burn (or something like
that) on the same calf only lower - nearer my ankle. The only
difference between my "feelings" and yours is that I feel very
positive about their involvement with us. Howbeit I am very
unsettled (to put it mildly) thinking I am taken without
consent! Then again, if this has all been happening since the
age of two, or three, maybe, when I am out of this apparent post
hypnotic state and fully consciously communicating with "them",
I am so familiar with "them" and their "purpose", and at ease
with what they are doing, that consent isnt required or
requested. Now that I know you are so involved with all this I
feel more free to state my beliefs on this subject. I do
believe there is going to be (in the very near future) a world
wide cataclysm! From all I've read and experienced I believe
there is going to be a mass evacuation just prior to the earth
tilting on its axis (possibly triggered off by 3ww). Did you
see "unsolved mysteries" on the sightings in belgium? The
triangular ships? It was really impressive! Without going into
detail, I believe they were marking possible landing sights. I
think, just maybe, this could be the purpose of the "crop
circles". I supposed there could be more than one group of
"visitors", but you would think if something so massive was
going to happen, and they are all so advanced, why would they be
fooling around cemeterys and being so sinister? I'm not
belittling or doubting your observations, I'm quite serious when
I ask your opinion. You seem to have it together and I would
like to hear more of your experiences. I believe I have several
implants. I have a few odd "things" on my body, but the most
unnerving is a pink scar on the base of my skull (I've mentioned
it in other notes). What occured (in detail) was this.. One
morning I was showering, when I began to wash my hair I had this
extremely sore spot on the base of my skull. There was a bump
about the size of a garbonza bean! I could barely touch it, it
was so sore. I thought "I guess I must have a boil or something
there, I'll keep an eye on it". About three days later I
"remembered" the "boil", and when I felt the back of my head,
there was nothing there! My head was as if there had never been
anything there! I was truly mystified, because anything (I
thought) that was as sore as that was HAD to leave a mark! I had
my sister, my mother and my best friend look, and there was
absolutly nothing there! Not a mark! A week later I woke up with
this horrible headache coming from the back of my head. When I
felt it, I discovered what to my fingers felt like a crevice
about an inch in length and 1/8 inch deep! I Had my mom look
that very morning and all she did was raise my hair in the back
and instantly said, "when did you hurt yourself?". I asked her
what she saw, and she said"you have a pink scar there!". I
showed it to my sister and my friend (along with a few other
friends) and the remarks were all the same. One said "you have
a scar there". I asked, "what do you mean a scar?", she replied
"it looks like somebody opened you up!". About a month later I
had an appointment with a dermatologist (for something
unrelated). I casually asked him if he would check the scar on
the back of my head (I wanted professional verification), he
looked at it and said "yeah, what about it, is it bothering
you?". I said "no I just wanted to see if it was irritated". He
said "no, it looks ok to me". So I've been living with this
knowledge that someone opened my head and did I dont know what
to me, but there doesnt seem to be fear there! I guess I dont
want people to fear them, because if there is a mass evacuation,
and they suddenly appear to evacuate us, those with fear will
run the other way believing them to be evil etc...On the other
hand, as I said maybe your experience was with a completely
different group. the "nordics"..I'd like to hear about them?
Robert
Message: #5555, S/3 Abductions
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:34:01 AM
Subject: Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #5557 (1 reply)
Bob, you missed two indicators of abduction that I am aware of:
1. Paper clipping or gem clipping the curtains together as soon
as the sun goes
down (particularly with women).
2. An utterly perplexing fear that someone may look in through
your upper story
window.
And though you mentioned certain specific types of dreams,
abductees may not dream of these things at *all*; abductees
simply have MONDO weird dreams. Much of what they do is to
manipulate and do damage to the subconscious mind and other
parts of the mind and body that science knows little or nothing
about.
>I've uploaded a file in the abductions subsection called,
Shield.txt. It >details how to build a cheap device that totally
100% prevents bedroom >abductions. It has been tested in battle
and works.
I read your SHIELD.TXT, and I have a couple of questions: How
does it work exactly, you created some kind of enclose volume
surrounded by extension cord wiring? Do you have some kind of
battery backup? I don't understand how this would effect or
defeat aliens. Can't they beam into another room? Once inside
your room, I don't see how this would physically stop them. Are
you saying that your cage neturalizes their ability to produce
paralysis and unconsciousness? How can you and your friend be so
certain that your abductions have stopped?
Message: #5557, S/3 Abductions
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 4:24:08 AM
Subject: #5555-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Mike:
The paper clipping of window drapes is a new one on me. Could be
they
don't like peeping tom's
As I said in the file, another abductee and I brainstormed the
subject
and noted that the dimension door never appear where there was
wiring.
Radiation is radiation, the only thing that makes it unique is
it's
frequency. Radiated energy moving across a conductive wire
produces
a small electrical charge. Note how the ceiling fan was turning
during
the abudction attempt. The more energy shot in, the faster the
fan turned. It follows that IF the wire is intercepting the
energy and
transforming it - it ain't hitting your carcass.
With that thought in mind, you need to address the various
stages and
variations involved with performing an abduction.
1. Sedate every living thing in the house.
They do this with beamed energy. I can't tell you how it
works, only
that it does. The shield keeps this from working. If you're
caught
outside of the shield - you'll fall asleep and be abducted.
Fortunately, the onslaught of sleep is not instantaneous and
you have
time to get in your bed.
a.Nordics and Grays are paranoid beyond imagination. Both have
survival
instincts and neither want to die. Walking into a house where
the
people aren't comatose puts them at serious risk. I have
mangled
more than one Gray myself.
2. The dimensional door.
If there is an interior wall in direct line of sight with the
surface
of the bed, the 4D door is practical. The shoot a beam on the
wall (blue) open a dimensional door sufficiently large to handle
your
carcass, and then they shoot a white tractor beam that
levitates you
our of your bed and thru the door. They put you back the same
way
(usually). I was thrown out without benefit of the levitating
beam
the last time they bagged me. This is the idea situation.
3. 4 Grays and your body.
If, for some reason the 4D door isn't practical they send 4
Grays
in. You've already been sedated. The come thru the walls,
pick u up
and carry you outside where they will either use the tractor
beam
to levitate you up into the ship, or they'll simply carry you
aboard.
If you're in a rural area, they'll land right next to the
house.
Heavily populated urban areas, they hover.
Where the shield comes in is that it prevents the sedation beam
from
putting you into a nearly comatose state. If you are in normal
sleep,
you can wake up quickly - making you dangerous. Secondarily, for
the
Grays to reach thru the wiring - they have to drop their
shielding
device that keeps them from view. This is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS,
particularly in my case as I keep a gun on the night stand in
easy reach.
The point here is - they ain't gonna do it. They will not take
the risk.
Once the shield is up, all you have to remember is, if sleepy -
get into bed. Don't crash on the couch or anywhere else.
The worse that can happen here is you end up with 200 feet of
extension cord and a fan. The abductions at Angelfish's were
heated encounters,
The last attempt was about 8 days ago. I was up all night with
her.
They didn't get her. She was alert, aware and stayed in the
cage except for a short trip to the bath room. Now she's aware
and comfortable that she's safe. She's let go the fear as well.
A remarkable lady.
No - a battery backup is unnecessary and futile. If they kill
the power,
as they did at Angel's you're sol. Anything requiring
electricity is
a moot point. The fan isn't necessary but I prefer to have a
moving magnetic field in that wiring. It doesn't hurt.
Sure they can beam into another room, but to get you outta the
shield,
they have to drop cover and get vulnerable. Hell, they still
drop
a Gray off on my roof now and then to see if anythings changed.
They
can look all they bloody want. They can't DO anything.
As to how we're sure the abductions have stopped?
Well now, that's objective and subjective. When they pick me up,
my subconscious goes ballistic. I jump off the table and try to
kill
as many of those little gray buggers as I can. Usually, they're
pretty
good about putting your clothes back on. In my case, I wake up
butt
naked, with my shorts laying on the floor at the foot of the
bed.
I also, have cuts and nicks I didn't go to bed with (from the
fighting).
Angelfish is a hitter too. She arrives back with her shirt on
backwards
minus a pair of panties and of course, the cuts and scratches.
Once you 'get loose' the Grays swarm you. It's hard to see them
in
the darkened room. I've have 3 or 4 on my back at once. They
have
a circular device they slap on the back of your neck that knocks
you
out. They use that time to get you outta Dodge as quickly as
they can.
It leaves a 'hicky' at the base of your neck.
Somehow, both of us have been able to transfer the equivalent of
conscious control to our subconscious. The conscious is sedated,
but
the can't seem to affect the subsoncsious. Thus, they can't keep
us down or in place for long.
How do I know, I don't wake up dinged. For the first time since
childhood, I sleep well. I no longer have unexplained or
irrational fears. As I am not a fearful person, these bouts with
the boogey man
were troublesome in the extreme. Furthermore, as I explained in
the
file, I got immediate confirmation from one very angry and
frustrated
Gray.
Let's put it this way Myke, you have little to lose and a lot to
gain.
I'd also point out that I have no profit motive here. I'm not
making shields or trying to get rich. What I know, I mostly give
away.
My good deed for the decade.
Bob
Message: #5576, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 10:05:25 AM
Subject: #5537-Catch a Gray ?
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
>> The 3 1/2 foot Grays , for example, only have an IQ of about
80.
Which IQ test did you give them Bob? I know there is some
controversy over various methods of testing for IQ, and was
curious as to which profile you ran.
In my experience Grays generally have an IQ around 235. This is
by using the Rhoden-Prodsty system, which removes cultural bias
from the scoring.
John
Message: #264322, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:21:05 PM
Subject: #264161-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Ian Dubin 100314,467
Ian:
The Term "Gray" is generic. There are three kinds and I dislike
them all.
The little 3.5 footer only has an IQ of about 80. Worker bee.
The 4
footer is a little smarter. There is a 4.5 foot Gray that weighs
in
with an IQ of about 125. Next up the ladder is the Brown. IQ
135-145,
stands about 5 foot. One critter that seems rare (in as much as
I've
never heard about it) is a Red. I saw this guy in 1963. He
stands about
7 foot and appears insect like. He isn't. His arms and legs are
long
and thin like a preying mantis with the radical joints of an
insect.
He is very smart, IQ 200+. The Nordics who picked me up were
subject
to his command and he was really pissed they'd put the snatch on
me.
He's the top end model of the Gray.
Even so - they did what they do.
Generally, speaking though - the Nordics are top at the top of
the food
chain. They are homo superior - human. To answer your question.
Nordics are the bosses. Grays are artificially engineered life
forms designed for the sole purpose of serving Nordic
interests.
As for Nohsaimus - they don't abduct and are completely benign.
You
won't hear much about them from abductees. It is only AFTER I
managed
to control Nordic involvement in my life AND divorce myself of
the fear
that had been programmed into me via the abduction processes
that they
sought me out. People who run into them usually feel they've had
spiritual encounters as they belong to a race we call angels.
Incidentally, the wings were for our benefit. They don't like
them cause
they itch.
Everyone is available for recruitment by the Nohsaimus. First,
you must
let go the fear. Secondly, I found the brainwave sychronizer
(theta
band) usefuly in opening up my otherwise dense head.
You are wrong about Armageddon. This is the Nordic harvest of
the herd.
We are going to do it to ourselves only to the extent that we're
allowing ourselves to be manipulated and have for 10,000 years.
Clinton is the lynch pin that finally pulls the plug on world
stability.
He is, himself, an abductee and is Hillary. He will make the
wrong
decisions and the right time and will destabilize the money
markets
which will result in many military conflicts at scattered points
around
the globe.
Bob
Message: #5605, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 3:20:25 PM
Subject: #5576-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (deletable)
John:
Nice tongue in cheek, I give a 10 on thought and a 9 on
delivery.
Almost shows the expertise of a Jesuit with his hand in your
pocket.
My info, and I concur with it as part and parcel of my
experience, comes
from Derrel Sims. As we have yet to sit one of the little
buggers down
for testing, we are limited to deductions made by naturalistic
observation, the first rule of the scientific method.
Based on my on experience with them, I can't say I have any
great admiration for their mental abilities. The screw up
frequently, are the lowest visible element of the Nordic realm
and are given much more credence for ability than they really
deserve. Were in not of the
tech toys - we'd be using them for footballs.
Incidentally, I have a bone I discovered in the Colorado area a
few
weeks ago. I have it out for testing. It appears to have been
manufactured. As I'm not an orthopedic expert, I'll have to
await the
results. However, I strongly suspect it belongs to a Gray. Near
the
bones, I found a set of animal bones. My feeling it belongs to a
mountain lion - again - out for testing. If mountain lion A, ate
little Gray bugger B and B was toxic A and B would both die and
leave
remnants. What fascinates me is that no effort was made to
recover the
remains unless, of course, critter C was lurking around
somewhere
and scared them off. I've noted that when faced with a lethal
threat (me)
the show clear signs of possessing survival instincts.
Bob
Message: #264409, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 6:27:04 PM
Subject: #264148-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<<... the Brainwave syncronizer - it's sold by Tiger Software
and they have an 800 #, call information. >>
I don't understand how I can download and read *everything* and
still I often feel like I've missed a crucial message... sorry!
What exactly is this and why were you referring to it Bob?
PJ
Message: #5632, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 8:25:02 PM
Subject: #5540-UFO Encounter
From: Jon Hart 74521,1267
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Thanks for all the info.. Basically, that is pretty much what
was happening to me, but no physical changes occured to me. The
the dream I was in a solid white room and whatever I did a Gray
(as you call it) did the same thing (He was in the room with me)
I was never on any tables or anything, and it only lasted a
couple months. I'm glad that other people have seen things like
that, I didn't want to be alone here. I just hope it never
happens again (the dreams)
Right now I'm studying UFO's after the encounters: show. I've
grown very interested in UFO's over the past day or so (I took
out 10 books at the library today and the librarian thought I
was nuts). I haven't found any record of what I saw but whatever
it was it was something not of this world. It seemed as though
it defied all the laws of physics from the ultra-cviolet
emmisions to it being to very large and perfectly round in
size/shape.
As for it moving through the air, the field is about 2 miles and
it scaled it in seconds (I would say 4 seconds, meaning it was
going well over 1800 mph) Which is subsonic or sonic (I forgot)
speeds. Either way that is very fast. It did feel spiritual in
some way because it didn't seem like it had any mass, just a big
sphere of light. I won't bother with checking for implants
because if there's something in my body, I don't mind, it's
probably giving me my 149 IQ, but It certainly was a phenominal
experience.
Thanks for all your info, Bob, and keep in touch.
Jon
Message: #264575, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 10:17:04 PM
Subject: #264409-Dead Artists Come Alive
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: PJ 73363,1075
The device hit's your eyes with light pulses set to generate a
Theta wave brain response. Additionally, it has music and audio
that
enhances the effect.
Bob
Message: #5649, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 11:11:25 PM
Subject: #5605-Catch a Gray ?
From: George White 71511,1072
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
You found bones from an alien? I will be interested in what the
lab results are. How could they prove to be from an alien? Which
lab are you using?
Has anyone ever taped an abduction or asked one of the aliens
questions that only someone from another planet could answer? I
am just curious.
Message: #5656, S/3 Abductions
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 1994 11:56:13 PM
Subject: #5557-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob, the basic principle behind what you have constructed is
what electrical engineering calls a Faraday Cage which shields
out EM radiation.
>Somehow, both of us have been able to transfer the equivalent
of conscious >control to our subconscious. The conscious is
sedated, but they can't seem to >affect the subconscious. Thus,
they can't keep us down or in place for long.
They most certainly can effect the subconscious mind and if you
are very psychic (which is rooted in the subconscious) they will
pay special attention to that part of your mind, harassing you
endlessly in the dream planes. Dreams are real, not just a
nightly cartoon in our minds, and aliens take every advantage of
this fact and our near total ignorance of it. Through dreams, we
are accessable in a way that I do not believe your shielding
device will have any effect on.
>Once you 'get loose' the Grays swarm you. It's hard to see them
in the >darkened room. I've have 3 or 4 on my back at once. They
have a circular >device they slap on the back of your neck that
knocks you out. They use that >time to get you outta Dodge as
quickly as they can.
Who is swarming you, large grays or small grays? Small grays do
not swarm a potentially violent abductee, thats not their job
and they are the first to high tail it. The large ones will move
forward and attempt to lock you in eye contact. I believe that
at this point is your only chance to take out an alien unless
you can grab one of the little grays before they can get away.
The big ones will come at you and if you can break their mind
coercion, enchanced by technology, AND do sufficient damage to
its head or neck before they knock every lifeform in the room
unconscious, then you can manage to kill one of them.
As you have noted, they are very fearful of bodily harm, and
have many checks and procedures that they have developed over
the course of trillions upon trillions of such operations on
thousands of worlds, to absolutely minimize this. They have
traded having a reincarnating soul (and returning to God after
each incarnation) for the ability to copy the contents of the
physical part of their mind to a new genetic xerox when the old
one wears out. They do not wish to return to God, they are
aligned with the dark side of the force. They are true undead,
having given up their souls for a not so "immortal" continuous
physical existance. Killing them is like wiping a file off of a
computer, its *GONE* forever. Thus, they fear death MUCH more
than we do.
While you are correct that their own safety is their highest
priority, I do not believe that it hampers them as much as you
say. They have succesfully performed this kind of take over on
thousands of worlds effecting trillions of beings.
>When they pick me up, my subconscious goes ballistic. I jump
off the table and >try to kill as many of those little gray
buggers as I can. Usually, they're >pretty good about putting
your clothes back on. In my case, I wake up butt >naked, with my
shorts laying on the floor at the foot of the bed. I also, have
>cuts and nicks I didn't go to bed with (from the fighting).
Angelfish is a >hitter too. She arrives back with her shirt on
backwards minus a pair of >panties and of course, the cuts and
scratches.
If you have any fantasies about just how vulnerable you are or
about being invulnerable, they will encourage you in this in
evey way they can using very subtle, clever, and elaborate
means. We have some power to resist, but if they want you bad
enough, sooner or later they will wear you down.
>No - a battery backup is unnecessary and futile. If they kill
the power, >as they did at Angel's you're sol.
So if they really want you, they can still get you. I, and those
I know who have been helped, don't have to fear this.
Message: #5657, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 12:15:00 AM
Subject: #5540-UFO Encounter
From: Robert Clifford 70004,3355
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
do saucer men like our genitals or something? jeezus, they
always seem to go for them -- why?
Message: #5674, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 1:16:22 AM
Subject: #5649-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: George White 71511,1072
George:
Aliens have been known to be a bit on the camera shy side. The
answer
is, "No, not that I'm aware of". Nor are they big on giving
interviews.
Their not here to tell us the secret of life. Would you discuss
philosophy with a lab rat? They operate best while we keep
thinking the abductee is nuts.
This raises an interesting point. The first rule of the
scientific
method is naturalistic observation. If a thing behaves in a
consistent
and predictable manner - we can correctly attribute certain
perceived
aspects to it and it is scientifically acceptable.
We've done this in the case of near death experiences where the
only
real evidence is what is reported by those who lived thru it.
they've
studied it, made statistics and accepted that there is a high
degree
of probability these are, in fact, real events. No one calls the
person nuts.
Yet, when applied to Ufos and abductions, an area where we have
far
much more data - the official scientific community says -
'they're nut's'
and ignores the data. We have more valid ufo data than do the
proponents
of the idea that passive smoke kills 100,000 a year. Yet, you
don't
see NO ALIEN signs in restaurants.
The Illogic of the situation bares several truths.
1. The government is impotent (or does not wish) to stop these
intrusions.
2. The 'they're nut's' arguement gives a rationale for
inaction.
3. Conceiveably so many people have been abducted that it's
possible
that the attitudes of those abductees reflect that which they
were programmed to believe - don't look - don't touch - don't
believe. Ergo everyone can smugly laugh and say 'ufo nut!'
4. There is an unbelievable mass hysteria that hits ten of
thousands
of unrelated an unconnected people. There is no logic to this
arguement.
As for my bones.
There are three possibilities.
1. Animal.
2. Human
3. Non of the above.
I sent the bones To Derrel Sims of Hufon and he's sent scrapings
to a lab. I should have them back tomorrow and will search out
my
own lab. I haven't decided yet. I'd rather the lab be here in
L.A.
as I don't care to let them out of my possession again. I also,
have to find out the costs and budget the deal.
Bob
Message: #5702, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 8:34:16 AM
Subject: #5537-Catch a Gray ?
From: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>The 3 1/2 foot Grays , for example, only have an IQ of about 80
I've never heard of IQ tests being given to grays. Can you tell
me more about this, like who provided the tests and such? It's
a very interesting concept.
Message: #5678, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 1:22:00 AM
Subject: #5657-UFO Encounter
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert Clifford 70004,3355
Why do they like our genitals?
Do you eat sweetbreads?
Seriously, they use the stolen genetic material to create races
of hybrids. You may say we're a genetic grocery store or ranch
depending on whether you prefer to be viewed as bovine or
vegetable.
Bob
Message: #5673, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 1:16:13 AM
Subject: #5656-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Reply: #5688 (1 reply)
Myke:
When you say 'then can most certainly effect your subconscious',
are
you speaking from experience? I will agree with you that for 30
years
they did keep me down and controlled. However, as of 10/93 -
that
changed. During that abduction, I became aware of what was going
on
around me. I lifted my head up from the table and saw a Gray
down near
my right foot. When he saw me alert, he started moving towards
me.
I put my foot into the middle of his face as hard has I could. I
felt
one grab me from behind on my left shoulder. I grabbed him by
the
wrist and pulled him forward and gave him a couple of shots to
the
face. The two I hit crumpled to the floor (glass jaws). I jumped
off
the table saying, "You wanted me you sons of bitches - now you
got me"
I started pounding every one I could get my hands on but was rat
packed
by several from behind it with a neuroparalyzer and thrown out
the
4D door. I recall one of them yelling "He's loose - get him out
of here"
as a left the table.
In subsequent abductions, this same scenario repeated itself. As
we only
have access to 10% of our brains - I find it highly unlikely
that
certain voluntary conscious functions could not be transfered
temporarily
to a different part of the brain. An analogy would be using one
box of
computer memory rather than another, both can function the same.
If you're correct, it means I've done something that isn't
possible.
This rates with a low degree of probability. As I've done it not
once,
but several times it goes beyond being a fluke. Further the
comment
that 'He's loose' implies they've had this problem with others
as well.
That they had so many available to handle a problem situation
also implies a foreknowledge of potential danger. The logic of
the situation
is such that a reasonable person would conclude that my
experience is
not totally unique and there are some who can break their
controls.
I will agree with you on the subject of manipulating the
subconscious.
I was told not to return to the area of my 1963 abduction. I
did, 30
years later to the week of the original event. I felt like a
salmon
returning to spawn but didn't know why at that moment. I was
told that
if I focused on the subject matter that I'd be thought of as
'crazy'.
I was told that if I wasn't a good little boy - they'd come back
and
get me and I wasn't going to like it. To all of this I said,
Screw It.
Better dead then undersome else's heal. I discovered it was all
bull.
All the programing was false. Yet, at each new level, I ran into
fear surpassing terror at some points. All implanted to keep me,
and other abductees from searching out the truth.
At the moment in time that you 'get loose' there is no mind lock
on you
and the level of my focus is such - they don't get it back. I
concentrate on only one thought - kill. They, incidentally are
focused on the same thing - 'not being killed'. These radical
conditions are excellent for conflict.
As to large, medium or small. Hell man, You don't have time to
pull out a tape measure. You're in a darkened room where the
only light is over the table and you've moved away from it.
You're striking at shadows and trying to keep your back to a
wall AND you're fighting for your life
(so you think). And on top of it you're butt naked - not that
I'm shy
or even thinking about it but I would be nicer to have your
clothes on.
I will say that I've pulled this same routine on Nordics and
haven't fared as well as against Grays. They're bigger stronger,
much more agressive and won't think twice about cleaning your
clock.
I will agree that blows to the head seem to take them out of
action.
I wouldn't advise biting though - they very well could be toxic.
I agree with you they have no soul. I disagree how you think
they got into that condition. Grays are artificially created
lifeforms. The product of Nordic labor. Nordics are the off
spring of breeding between
humans and angels (of the fallen variety). At the time of the
Lucifer
Rebellion, this section was cut off from the rest of the
universe and
with it, the source of souls. The Universe has the exclusive
distribution rights here. Lucifer, and Satan, and the few that
followed them began the creation of new hybrid races. Top on
that ladder are the Nordics. Neither they, nor any of the
hybrids they've created have ever received a soul.
Whether that will change in the future, remains to be seen.
To a Nordic, a Gray is an expendable commodity. Grays don't
necessarily share this view.
Re: Wearing me down.
No way Jose'. You give them more credit than they deserve. My
shield
works. 'They' don't get me anymore. Period. What's to wear down.
I have
only rule to live by. Sleep in the cage. That's it. The only
modification I've had to make to my daily routine. I don't share
your defeatist view
on the subject.
"So if they really want you they can get you"..... Again you
repeat
this passage. The shield(cage) does not require power. It's
passive
and that's the beauty of it. I prefer and added margin of
safety,
but it isn't required.
I haven't asked you your relationship here. Abductee?
Researcher?
Speculator?
I speak and write from real life one on one experience. My
objectivity
and logic are such that I am able to make my living as a private
investigator. A pretty rough business not recommended for most.
To the abductee to tells me there is no hope I say....
Until you've taken control of your own life, ended your
abductions
and stood your own ground, how are we to know that what you're
saying
is indeed factual and not the product of Nordic programming.
Given
one man who HAS done this, it follows that others can and your
statement,
therefore lacks logic. A premise not proveable by logic is
irrational.
Ergo your thoughts are irrational and subject to further
scrutiny.
To the research I'd say...
It is one thing the read, to listen to the experiences of
others, to
catalog, and catagorize. However, until it's your a$$ on the
firing
line, your opinions are moot as they lack proveablity in any
forum.
They are, at best, interesting statistics
To the Speculator who has theories based on the research of
others but who does not endeavor to prove or disprove
anything.....
This is akin to masturbation. You think something is happening
but all you end up with is a mess. The speculations have no
logical value in
any real circumstance until something is done with them.
I will make this offer to anyone who knows they are an abductee.
If you put up the cage according to my specs. I will
1. Consult with u and make sure you have it right.
2. I will hold your hand thru each step up to, and even, staying
on the
phone with you all night if need be.
3. I will walk you thru the fear. It's false and has no basis in
fact.
It is only an illusion implanted to keep you servile.
4. I will show you what I say is true.
And it won't cost you diddly - nor will you end up in a book I'm
writing etc. Ie: No ulterior motives.
I will not, however, deal with jerks, miscreatants or people who
just
want attention. To these - adopt a pet. AND on top of it, I'll
let you
use my 800 line so it doesn't cost you money.
Such a deal!
Bob
Message: #5688, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 3:47:12 AM
Subject: #5673-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
First, I am not holding a bat behind my back (like I most
definitely *WILL* with laughing abductee bigots) I do not doubt
your sincerity, you are obviously *VERY* interested in helping
people in suffering, which ultimately, we all are. Secondly, I
am the furthest thing from hopeless; as I stated in my previous
message, my abductions, and the abductions of my loved one's and
friends have ended. I want to rattle everyone's cage and tell
them that help is *available*, not just for abductions, but out
of the Eraser Head nightmare of pain and suffering that we all
live in. I've learned the hard way that *only* the very
brightest and best have their interest caught, most people spit
on the thought that they could use protection. I've dropped
hints here several times, even coming right out and saying I get
help from the other side, the angels that didn't fall, the
Extraterrestrials of Light, but just the idea of there being two
side was too much for everyone here. The only result it had was
the creation of the acronym UB, unearthly being, which precisely
fails to recognize the existance of good Extraterrestrials who
are diametrically opposed to aliens.
While I know you want to help, I also know that nothing short of
Their help will really stop anyone's abductions, much less
repair the *severe* damage that abductions do to one's conscious
and subconscious minds, which psychologist can even begin to
detect, much less diagnose or cure.
However, Dr. Jacobs has proven the usefulness of video camera in
fostalling abductions and I have no doubt yours is a tremendous
advance over his methods. I'd like to see you put your idea in a
more presentable form: I don't understand the basic physical
principles behind you device. Previously, you said that without
power you were sol, like the woman in Hawaii. Without power, I
don't understand how the shielding is taking place, or how it
would force the grays to drop their shields to penetrate it?
Message: #5721, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 2:30:06 PM
Subject: #5702-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
Cassandra
I answered this same question. Follow the thread and you'll get
the
answer. The short of it is - personal experience and
observation.
Bob
Message: #5720, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 2:30:04 PM
Subject: #5712-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
I think need to point out that I am not addressing anything as
exotic
as astral projection. Magnetic energy is used in our 3D
environment
on our physical bodies. Logic demands that a faraday arrangement
will
work. Further, it can be verified with anyone who knows for a
fact
they are an abductee.
Bob
Message: #5722, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 2:30:11 PM
Subject: #5688-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke:
We seem to be an agreement on most things but differ on the
issue
of responsibility. I'm more inclined to wipe my own backside
rather
than wait for an angel to do it for me. I'm reasonably certain
they'd
feel the same way too.
The shield functions on a very simple principle. When a moving
magnetic
field crosses a conductive surface (wire) it creates a small
electrical
charge. You simply ground out the charge. It doesn't 'shield',
it
intercepts the signal and redirects it away from you. The
practical
effect is shielding.
To maintain a 4D status requires energy. We know,
mathematically, that
a jump into 4D requires the rotation of reality 90 degrees. The
means
of doing that is magnetic. For a Gray, or any one else, to
physically
lay their hands on you - they're going have to become
sufficiently
solid to do the job. THAT FACT, places them at risk. If they can
touch
you, you can hurt them. They place a heavy reliance on their
ability
to sedate you into zombieland.
Bob
Message: #5769, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 8:46:00 PM
Subject: #5722-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>I'm more inclined to wipe my own backside rather than wait for
an angel to do >it for me. I'm reasonably certain they'd feel
the same way too.
You have it backwards, the angels want *your* help. Who else is
going to do the dirty work of cleaning up the mess this planet
is about to plunge into? But how can you help when your mind has
been twisted and warped by a lifetime of having the innermost
parts of your mind violated, riped and torn? It is this
unwillingness to assist our elder brothers and sisters, and each
other, that put us into isolation and left us vulnerable to the
aliens in the first place.
>We know, mathematically, that a jump into 4D requires the
rotation of reality >90 degrees.
People with math or physics training will shut you out right
aware and jump to the conclusion you are crazy, just for the
kind of language you use. You should skip all this and just
state that aliens use some kind of EM radiation to neutralize
their victims, and a Faraday cage will prevent this. From what
you have described, plating your house in aluminum would have a
superior effect, though I couldn't speak for cost...
Message: #5794, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Jul 26, 1994 11:04:05 PM
Subject: #5769-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Reply: #5816 (1 reply)
Myke:
Re: Plating my house in aluminium, I have no idea what the cost
is,
but it wouldn't look very good either.
I find that you and I have the potential for enormous
personality
conflicts. I've noted that combatant abductees are so militant
(myself
included) and so sure of their ground (myself included) that we
tend to
pontificate. We are pretty close on most of our experience and
conclusions although I've noted that you typcially do not lay a
foundation for proffering yours. Instead you spit it out as if
it's
gospel without a logical support structure under it.
As an example your statement that people with physics or math
training
would reject the concept of a 90 degree magnetic rotation, as
the means
of making the transition into 4D is without merit or any
foundation to
support your 'opinion'. Unsupported opinions are like beliefs.
Best
left in the hands of rabbi's and ministers, in as much as they
require
no proof.
On the subject of angels, I don't care to deify these people.
They
are a species related genetically to us (cousins). Our religious
backgrounds tell us to humble ourselves to their help and
assumes they
are here to help everyone. Again, there is no evidence or logic
to
support this idea. It is even more suspect when you factor in
that the
Nordics are themselves responsible for major portions of the
world's
major religions. I make this observation as a point of logic. An
assumption not supported with a logical foundation is a belief.
For that one should go to church.
That aside:
Based on my experiences with angels, I would agree they are
inclined to
help 'some' people. Yes, they do need our interactions but for
reasons I suspect you aren't aware. The Nohsaimus have, at the
root of their culture, a prime directive - Free Will. They do
not go where they haven't
been invited, and do not deliver assistance that hasn't been
asked for.
It is within the realm of OUR free will to bring them into our
sphere.
Then and only then - do they interact. I find them agreeable and
friendly - devoid of the fear and paranoia obvious in the Nordic
Empire.
I've also noted they do not wish or solicit 'worship'. Unlike
the Nordics, they make no pretense at being Gods or anything
supernatural.
They do demand civilized deportment and a degree of cordial
respect.
All in all, I find them reasonable people.
I'd like to set up a time in the evening so you can I can hook
up
and chat. I'm on pacific time.
Bob
Message: #5816, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 4:41:11 AM
Subject: #5794-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>Re: Plating my house in aluminium, I have no idea what the cost
is,
> but it wouldn't look very good either.
I didn't mean this as joke (I would never joke about such a
matter) though the
idea was thrown out pretty raw. I mean like aluminium siding and
metallic
roofing metal which is very common (Cat On a Hot Tin Roof). A
house built out
of such material will have a Faraday Cage around the entire
house. I'm sure
that there are many houses in existance built like that; it
never occured to
me the advantages they might have... hmmm....
>As an example your statement that people with physics or math
training
>would reject the concept of a 90 degree magnetic rotation, as
the means
>of making the transition into 4D is without merit or any
foundation to
>support your 'opinion'.
Well you never said "magnetic" before; you usually said a 90
rotation of
"reality". I wasn't saying you don't know what you're talking
about, I'm saying
violent intellectual geeks will feel the urge to attack you for
no particular
reason other than the fact they jump to the conclusion you're
all psuedo-
science or worse based only on your choice of words. Simplify
your initial
description and you can nip a good portion of this in the bud.
We already
have to deal with guilt by association on *anything* dealing
with this subject;
I know on the one hand people will always be laughing (if it
weren't the truth,
the fools wouldn't be laughing at it) and I have to remain
detached from
that, but I don't want to make it any easier for them. I've made
a habit of
wiping the smile off the faces of those who come *here* to
laugh, especially
the know it alls who worship established science/technology.
>I find that you and I have the potential for enormous
personality
>conflicts. I've noted that combatant abductees are so militant
(myself
>included) and so sure of their ground (myself included) that we
tend to
>pontificate. We are pretty close on most of our experience and
conclusions
>although I've noted that you typcially do not lay a foundation
for proffering
>yours. Instead you spit it out as if it's gospel without a
logical support
>structure under it.
Well... I stand guilty as charged on all but the last count, and
even then
some. I was certainly spewing with my "the only way to kill and
alien is..."
crap; the thought came to me of Travis Walton kicking the shit
out of one of
the little f**kers, though he appeared to be a low priority
sporadic abduction.
I've been treated different from most, I strongly suspect that I
have a
convergance of blood lines that they have been tagging for many
generations,
long before the wider scale operation currently in place began.
My mother has
recessive hemophelia, despite the fact that I'm also full of
pioneer blood.
In tracing back my family tree, the more aristocratic blood they
have, the
more strange stories about themselves and their ancestors they
have,
accompanied by a spooky secretiveness, which I think is the
result of a
generationally passed on responce to having so many experiences
that couldn't
tell to anyone. At any rate, with the convergance of so many
blood lines that
carry the male dominance gene, high intelligence and
aristocratic psychic
ability, I was grade AAA choice genetic selection, tops on their
list, but
also, the most difficult to contain. I have no scratches or
abduction scars of
any kind, another sign of being treated different. This last is
the reason I
doubted that your scars would have come from fighting them. With
the exception
of the neuroparalizer mark left at the base of your skull, I
would think that
such marks would be the result of succesful operations instead
of aborted ones,
or even worse, a charade designed to lead you to believe that
that was a
predictable part your abductions, lulling you to believe that in
their absense,
less frequent sporadic abductions could not be taking place.
>Based on my experiences with angels, I would agree they are
inclined to
>help 'some' people. Yes, they do need our interactions but for
reasons I
>suspect you aren't aware. The Nohsaimus have, at the root of
their culture, a
>prime directive - Free Will. They do not go where they haven't
>been invited, and do not deliver assistance that hasn't been
asked for.
>It is within the realm of OUR free will to bring them into our
sphere.
>Then and only then - do they interact. I find them agreeable
and friendly -
>devoid of the fear and paranoia obvious in the Nordic Empire.
>I've also noted they do not wish or solicit 'worship'. Unlike
the Nordics,
>they make no pretense at being Gods or anything supernatural.
>They do demand civilized deportment and a degree of cordial
respect.
>All in all, I find them reasonable people.
Whoa, Nohsaimus? Sounds like you are describing the good guys,
but it sounds
like we have a completely different context on it. We all have
the potential
to awaken to our God Self and we can have access to our own
supernatural powers
from the same source as they. Worshiping them for being this way
is a lazy
cop-out, acting like they came in with all the goodies and the
path of
spiritual evolution was easier for the them and just to tough
for the poor
pathetic worshiping student.
It seems strange to me the way you call them "angels" yet deny
that they are
working in the service of the Holy Father and suspecting them of
being in it
for themselves instead of acting out of compassion.
>I'd like to set up a time in the evening so you can I can hook
up
>and chat. I'm on pacific time.
I live in Redondo Beach, I know you live in LA too, though I
don't know exactly
where. Perhaps we could meet? My home/work number is 798-0176
and I'm here
most of the time.
Message: #265221, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 9:05:05 AM
Subject: Believe Westbrook??????
From: Wayne Walusiak/IL 72366,421
To: westbrook 71705,262
re: 'This sh*t doesn't have to happen to me'
Bravo ! Excellent !
WW
Message: #5836, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 9:46:00 AM
Subject: #5721-Catch a Gray ?
From: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>Follow the thread and you'll get the answer.
Sorry. I was following the thread.
Message: #5833, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 9:09:18 AM
Subject: #5720-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
I think it's all interrelated anyway Bob. AP need not be thought
of as exotic, in fact I think everyone does it - they just don't
remember. The literature I've been studying suggest that
abductees are victims of "psychic" attacks. The nomenclature is
particular only to the individual. Call it, spiritual, astral,
4th dimensional, UFO, it all boils down to the same thing in the
model that I'm presently studying.
I would also suspect another thing. The F cage would probably
work both ways. Nothing could get in or out - to a certain
extent anyway. The astral body being fluid and maleable con
consist of finer and finer material too. I wonder....have you
noticed any significant changes in your dreaming patterns since
sleeping in the cage. Also, I tired to find your file on the
construction. Which forum and library??
Message: #5840, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 9:54:13 AM
Subject: #5722-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
One would have to ask if the greys can shut off video cameras
why can't they just clip the ground wire(s) on the F cage? I'd
really like to take a look at your construction.....
Message: #5913, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 8:29:17 PM
Subject: #5847-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
I have a theory on how electrical things blitz during ufo
assaults.
A couple of weeks ago, Angelfish (ufo forum) and I were talking
and another abduction attempt started. She has one particular
ceiling
fan that starts turning on it's own during these events. One
evening
she called me in a panic and I was up all night with her. The
fan
hit three levels, slow ,medium and blistering and it was obvious
the
power was being turned up with each failed attempt to 'sedate'
her.
Incidentally, she has my shield up.
The following month, she received her power bill and it was
astronomical.
She called the power company complaining that the sum total of
all
her appliances if turned on full blast for 24 hours a day,
could not
result in the consumption she was billed for. They agreed and
checked
the meter. The found nothing wrong with the meter and gave her
credit.
No longer after we were in another conversation and she said,
"Sh*t,
the fan has started up again." She moved to the shield and
watched
the led's on her various clocks reset themselves and started
blinking.
I'm in LA and she's in Hawaii a three hour time difference. I
asked her
to tell me what time it was. She looked at a non led clock, told
me the
time and I calculated the difference between 'her' time and what
it
'should be' based on my PDT time - 20 minutes. Her time frame
was
20 minutes ahead of where it should be. I made the assumption
that the
clock was working correctly to start with. She agreed that it
had been.
Factor in the fact, that there frequently are time differences
in a
landing zone and outside of a landing zone when they are
measured by
identical time pieces.
The logic here indicates that a feature of the Nordic abduction
scenario is to alter time speeding up the natural functions of
things within the
field. Related to abductions - it's conceivable they speed up
your
body's natural time frame and hurry you up to the point you
would
normally fall asleep.
Re: her appliances.
If there had been a massive surge of energy through her
household
circuits, it would have blown the breakers. It didn't. Instead,
everything appeared to be working normally - computers etc,
except for
the clocks that are made for a 60 hertz time frame.
Car batteries are direct current while household is alternating.
Apply this idea of enhanced local time to the dc battery and we
see a scenario that could quite likely short the battery pushing
it
beyond it's capacity. As soon as the event ends, the battery
returns
to normal.
Bob
Message: #5910, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 8:01:23 PM
Subject: #5794-Catch a Gray ?
From: Lawrence M. Lutton 73210,3510
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Why not use aluminum siding?
Message: #5914, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 8:29:19 PM
Subject: #5840-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
Download the file, sheild.txt from the library. The instructions
are
in there. If you have a hard time visualizing it, draw a
rectangle
and put an x in it. You have it. If, you're in LA, you're
welcome to
drop by.
Bob
Message: #5971, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 3:15:23 AM
Subject: #5721-Catch a Gray ?
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
A lot of the messages may have scrolled off the forum.
Cassandra hasn't been around for a while.
Dean
Message: #5936, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 11:03:19 PM
Subject: #5913-Catch a Gray ?
From: Robert Clifford 70004,3355
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #5963 (1 reply)
Not to be an ass, but is your friend, Angelfish, okay? I mean,
not schizophrenic? No jokes, or prodding.
Robert
Message: #5963, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 1:47:17 AM
Subject: #5936-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert Clifford 70004,3355
Robert:
No chance of illness that I'm aware of. Former congressional
aid,
currently a concert promoter. My exwife is a paranoid schiz, I
have
some experience with mental illness and, after 15 years, feel I
have
more than a handle on it.
Bob
Message: #5974, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 4:34:03 AM
Subject: #5913-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>The logic here indicates that a feature of the Nordic abduction
scenario is to
>alter time speeding up the natural functions of things within
the
>field. Related to abductions - it's conceivable they speed up
your
>body's natural time frame and hurry you up to the point you
would
>normally fall asleep.
I don't doubt anything your saying here, but I don't understand
how it is
applied to the problem at hand? As a scientist I see immediate
improvements
and simplifications to your device, but I can't seem to engage
you on the
subject of the physical principles involved. Granted, your
device is already
simple, but it suffers from limitations from the singlular way
you are thinking
about it. I think that for a moderate price one of your Cages
could be built
around an entire house, if you used more suitable matterial to
construct it
from.
I'm very disappointed that you didn't answer my really burning
questions about
your experience with the . You called them
by a name I've
never heard, how do they relate to the Pleideans, Arcturans and
Sirians? To be
straight up, I've never heard of the Nordics either, though I'm
not nearly as
interested in them (till I'm done training with the other side
and am in a
position to fight them). What you've been saying has had a deep
impact on me
however... My entire image of this is dramatically changed
(though I can't
explain why) by the fact that the demons look like us. Despite
how many times
I've heard this, its really hard to accept. Not until now did I
realize how
deeply I didn't accept it emotional, despite any intellectual
acceptance...
One thing I should have pointed out in my last posting, I'm not
a raging bull
anymore. Not to long ago, your appraisal would have been
perfectly accurate,
but my burnt out feelings have been substantially repaired.
Despite the fact
that I'm a little guy, and very much a gnetlman, I would
unintentionally
intimidate people all the time. I *never* get that kind of
response now, I get
spontaneous smiles now (especially from the pretty Ladies)
instead of looks of
fear. At any rate, don't project yourself onto me; yes, we are
vey similiar
but most of the reason why I speak of passed tense now.
Bob, what do you plan to do? You seem to know whats happening
here better than
anyone else in this Rabbinical counsil, but it doesn't sound
like you have
any sort of plan, save to take care of yourself while the world
goes down the
tubes.
Myke
Message: #5946, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Jul 27, 1994 11:34:04 PM
Subject: #5722-Catch a Gray ?
From: George J. Chapman 74761,156
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #5962 (1 reply)
Hi Bob,
PMFJI
>> We know, mathematically, that a jump into 4D requires the
rotation of reality 90 degrees.<<
This was stated in a book written on Edgar Cayce or maybe "Life
and teachings of the masters". Either way, the so called "L's"
, prior to the existence of *Atlantis*, did exactly what you
stated, they shifted 90' into other dimensions. From that point
on they were able to travel through many dimensions. Leaving
behind a few, who ended up being the kings (god-men) of
Atlantian and Greek lore.
I am not stating the above as fact to be accepted by others,
although, I believe it and offer it here as a possibility. Also
as a support for your claim, through Cayce's information, for
those that may need the conformation.
See Ya,
George J. Chapman
AOL - GeorgeChap@aol.com
July 27, 1994
Message: #5962, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 1:47:12 AM
Subject: #5946-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: George J. Chapman 74761,156
George:
I can't speak to Casey but we know that dimensions are parallel
and
adjacent. To make the jump, you must bridge the gap. Your bridge
must
be ninety degrees to the plane of your dimension. The principle
is
simple, the doing is considerably harder.
Your God-men of Green lore bear a strange resemblence to
Nordics.
If you draw a timeline between the historical accounts of
interactive
gods, you will find a serial trail from culture to culture. The
Jews
were monotheistic - so they supplied one god. Greeks and Roman
were
multitheistic - so you have a whole assortment of gods. Ditto
for
the Norse. If you start your timeline with the Norse, preflood,
you will
find a very interesting and consistent pattern of behavior.
In my book, I used this pattern to contruct a psychological
profile.
The result was a picture of a people who do the same thing the
same
way ad naseum. This consistently allows behavioral projections
that
have held true all the way through the 20th century. For 10,000
years,
the game has been the same without substantial change.
Bob
Message: #5977, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 5:18:23 AM
Subject: Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
$h!t... I forgot how crazy I use to be... I just smashed the top
off a glass
from an instinctual urge to have a weapon and whirled around at
my mother; she
gave me a late night surprise in the kitchen just as a memory
was surfacing
that has been tiggered by this conversation... I haven't done
anything like
*that* in a long time. I feel very agitated... For once I'd
really enjoy
wrestling with a pile of my little brothers rambunctious
friends...
Message: #6004, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 9:45:28 AM
Subject: #5913-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
I don't understand how time could be screwed with locally like
that.
Interesting that the breakers don't blow. It would be
interesting to calculate the total amperage/kwatts used during
those incidents. Could you get me the figures?
Could be that a magnetic anomaly would screw with the electric
meters rather than pull such enormous amounts of power,
especially if the meter is digital. Any real surges of power
should have done some damage to electrical appliances, tripped
breakers, etc. Any EMP would set up some type of currents in any
conducters facing the right way too. I wonder.......if a strong
magnetic field could turn an AC motor and *not* affect the
circuit breakers? Hmmmmm then again there are many reports of
electrical disturbances such as the lights dimming on the
Brooklyn Bridge and local neighborhood during a passing UFO. As
far as I know there was no damage there either and everything
came back on as soon as the disturbance left. Something is
powerful enough to stop a current from flowing and yet not
damage equipment. I haven't experimented enough yet in the field
to really know how this happens, but I'd assume that it could be
duplicated on a smaller scale in the lab..... put a magentic
field near a small current and measure to see if there's any
disturbances. Hmmmm there probably would be since there's
already a mag field around any current to begin with. If this
could be set up though, we could see what happens and then
extrapolate to get an idea of the power needed to darken several
city blocks. BTW, people on the bridge did in fact report their
hair standing up - static electricity/magnetism, (I suppose) I'm
running on again....just thinking out loud actually......
Message: #6062, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:24 PM
Subject: #5994-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
Cassandra:
Yes digit clocks blink if they're stopped. However, if I'm
reading
you correctly, you want to test the idea that you are an
abudctee.
There's a better way of doing it.
Purchase a compass. Take a small circular magnet like the kind
you
stick notes onto your frig door with. Pick the spot near the
interior
wall of your bedroom where you sense they come in for you.
Place the compass on a table in that area. The needle will point
north.
put the magnet on the east point of the compass. The magnet will
tend
to grab the needle. You want to balance it so the need stays to
the north while the magnet is on the eastern point. What you are
doing
is establishing a weak magnetic link between the needle and the
magnet.
Any magnetic energy entering the room near the compass will
cause the
needle to spin. In my own case it picked up sufficient rps to
throw
the magnet about 2 inches away from the compass. The inverse of
the
logic is that the needle might spin, but when it stops it's
going to
be grabbed by the magnetics stronger field and your needle will
be
pointing in a direction other than north.
Like I said, I tested this out in my own case and found there
was
reason to continue and build the cage.
Bob
Message: #6059, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:07 PM
Subject: #5974-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke:
I don't know what more I can say about the principals of
operation than I have. You intercept the signal and ground it
out.
I agree wholeheartedly that it can be improved. For instance the
dumbest
thing people do when the encounter a ufo on the road - is get
out of the
car to look. If they stayed in the car - they'd stand a better
chance.
Unfortunately, the car isn't grounded so it's a matter for
speculation.
I think you have to consider different habitats. For instance,
my condo
bit the dust in the Northridge earthquake and I'm temporarily in
an
apt. You need one version for apts and another scenario for
single
family dwellings.
Actually, the only need a safe room - the bedroom. Lining the
walls
with any decorative conductive metal would do the trick AND you
don't
have to do the whole room. Any angle in a straight line with the
bed
needs to be covered. They aren't sophisticated enough to shoot
light beams around the corner.
Bob
Message: #6060, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:15 PM
Subject: #5974-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke
My apologies, I must have missed your question about the
Nohsaimus.
If you want a classic reference - angels - cousins - genetically
related
to us as are the progenators of the Nordics.
I didn't really be involved with 'them'. They became involved
with me.
This occured after I had figured it all out, gotten the Nordics
and
Grays off my back AND conquered the attendant fear that went
with it.
Then they contacted me first thru a channel here on cis THEN the
replicated the effort thru another source just to make sure I
'got it'.
The the second source "Angelfish" started giving me
correspondence that
suggested I take a trip to a specific area of Colorado. I did.
On the
trip I found bones of questionable origin. Additionally, all of
Angel's
landmarks and pointers where exactly where she said they'd be.
It's interesting to note that before she became involved with
the Nohsaimus
she has never been psychic or a channeler. This was a new
experience for her and it blew her away she'd done it with such
accuracy. I was sufficiently impressed I spent the money to haul
my carcass up there.
As to my plan. I do have a plan and it's specific. I intend to
engage the enemy. When, where and how I intend to this is not a
subject for conversation except the the extent that the time
isn't right this minute.
Also, you need to realize that people are at different stages of
awakening. Many of the people coming through this forum are
abductees
looking for answers. As I derive no profit from my rantings, I
count
this as my good deed for the decade. I figured it out, others
can to
AND many can add to my work. We have a common enemy AND we're
all in the
same boat together. It's long past time we quit our petty
squabbeling
(mankind) and get down to work - together.
Bob
Message: #6066, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:05 PM
Subject: #6024-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Myke My Boy
You Got It!!
"These ET's might not be as advanced as they'd like us to think"
BINGO!
Once you become aware of an enemies limitation - you are now in
a position to exploit them to your own benefit.
Bob
Message: #6064, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:01 PM
Subject: #6013-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke
Re: Terminology.
It's funny, I tried to find someone who could tell me how to
wire
a Faraday Cage and was not successful. I did the next best thing
and took
some common sense and a little logic and muddled my way thru it.
Sidebar:
I did a home brew study of earthquakes some years ago an
discovered
the triggering mechanism for the quake. I also devised a theory
I later
discovered had been proffered by someone else a few years
before, now
call the Geo-Dynamic Theory.
I happened to run into Buckminster Fuller a few months before
his death and he was kind enough to give me an ear for a couple
of hours while
I doodled diagrams and numbers in front of him. At the end, he
told
me, "I think you've got it - but as you lack a degree in the
subject
matter - no one will listen". He was, of course, correct.
Since that time I don't waste my time trying to preach or get
anyone
to believe anything. Nor do I cast pearls before swine. Those
who
have eyes and ears will get it and those that don't won't. It's
no
skin off my tail either way. I'm doing what I think is right and
that's the beginning and end of it.
This is not directed at you personally.
Bob
Message: #6063, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:28 PM
Subject: #6004-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank
I'll be speaking to Angel tonight - I'll ask her for the numbers
and
will get back to you.
It's the lack of a surge AND the differential between our time
pieces
that cause me to speculate that the ship's powersource alters
local
time. Further and element in a dimensional jump IS time. As the
breakers
didn't pop - the obvious is that there wasn't sufficient power
AT ONE MOMENT IN TIME to cause them to trip. It isn't JUST the
magnet field,
it is the dimensional elements in the equation that cause the
time
dialations. The magnet field is simply the 3D vehicile we are
viewing.
Bob
Message: #6065, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:03 PM
Subject: #6015-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Cassandra
There is no 'official' research into ufos because the government
has
declared that they do not represent a threat to the national
security
of the United States.
This is true - they only threaten the citizens - not the
government.
Bob
Message: #6058, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:02 PM
Subject: #5837-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
Cassandra:
Re: Clocks
It all depends on the type of clock. An electric clock that
depends on
60 hertz will usually go down. An old mechanical clock won't.
This
fact alone implies an electrical or electromagnetic
relationship.
Bob
Message: #6057, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:00 PM
Subject: #5840-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
The more sophisticated a technology gets, the easier it is to
bugger.
The elegant grace of the cage is it's simplicity. Grays don't
walk in
and cut wires. The overload circuits or short them out, they
don't go in
and hit switches. At least, in my experience they don't.
Assuming
a posture of turning off a light switch (for example) means
they're going
to have to drop the dimensional cover long enough to become
solid enough
to interact with the 3D substance. As this places them at risk
of
being seen and attacked - they don't do it.
Bob
Message: #6061, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 7:30:19 PM
Subject: #5977-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke:
What is happening to you is relatively easy to understand if you
can
accept the idea of a collective subconscious human mind. In
history
we have many examples of people psychically connecting in times
of
great disaster or emergency.
As we approach our rendevous with Armageddon, the mind of
humanity,
recognizing the danger on a subconscious level is reaching out
to
its other parts trying to connect and to deal with what is and
is going
to happen.
Anger, once controlled, can be used productively as a dynamo.
Uncontrolled, it is self destructive - at the least. I share
your anger
on this subject. However, I control it - not it me. Here is the
focus
point. You're on the right track. Search back in the memory
banks and
reconstruct Myke's truth to your own satisfaction. When you've
done that
you'll be ready to begin formulating a plan of action.
Bob
Message: #265999, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 9:41:17 PM
Subject: #264322-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #266049 (1 reply)
A question: You say Clinton is an abductee. Does he know this?
Is he abducted often? Just wondering.
Your pal and mine,
==CCC==
Message: #266049, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 10:58:23 PM
Subject: #265999-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
Chris:
I have no way of knowing what Clinton knows. I can tell you this
about
some extremely wealthing and influential people, particularly in
Hollywood. Yes, they do know. The made "The Deal". In return
they
promote a destructive liberal agenda. Furthermore, the meet at
regular
intervals on Gray ships in obe sessions. The affairs are
'festive'.
One can not sell their sould to the devil. The soul belongs to
God
and is out on loan. One can sell their free will, however, to
Nordics
(The Devil) and, in so doing, lose that free will and be subject
to
a harsh and dictatorial rule. YOu know the deal, fame and
fortune for....
They cater to every age old weakness inheriant in mankind.
Clinton, and whether he knows or not is academic, is a willing
pimp
pandering their agenda knowing full well the catastrophic
effects it
will have on us and not caring.
I will give you a rational prediction of intent here and there
is evidence to the fact already.
It is easier to destroy a business than it is to build one. If
you can
make money in the destruction, you have an incentive to do it
for a
quick buck. Construction takes much more time, patience and wise
handling.
The Liberal Democratic Party has individual financial incentives
to
destroy the health care and insurance industries. By selling
short on
their stocks, they can reap tremendous wind falls as has
happened in
the decline in value of tobacco stocks at the onset of smoker
bashing.
Hillary already got caught making a profit selling short on
pharmaceutical stocks at the very time she was bashing the
industry.
Any, in depth investigation by an objective party will reveal a
pattern
of trading by individuals related to those doing the actual
bashing.
Will there be any investigation, no. The liberal press, not only
hides
and conceals these things from the public but on occassion will
actually
lie to promote the images they want seen regardless of the
amount of
truth in their representations.
The only group in the United States that has a screening process
for abductees is certain groupings in the military. Everyone
else is more or less fair game.
Bob
Message: #6075, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 9:32:17 PM
Subject: #5439-LA Blasted Dream
From: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6098 (1 reply)
Bob,
If you were to survive an all-out nuke war, getting around via
motorcycle might not be so far fetched then. If for no other
reason than the added mobility and the extra gas mileage -- gas
would be in very short supply.
-- Chris
Message: #6098, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 10:59:27 PM
Subject: #6075-LA Blasted Dream
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
Chris:
I noted that fact myself. Not too happy about it either.
Bob
Message: #6078, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 9:38:18 PM
Subject: #5962-Catch a Gray ?
From: George J. Chapman 74761,156
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6097 (1 reply)
Hi Bob,
The 90' shift would appear to more of a consciousness shift,
thereby enabling the physical to follow. This is of course, a
personal opinion.
BTW, I have been reading some of your posts about the shield
that you developed. The idea of absorbing energy is similar to
the *aura of protection* placed around an individual (entity).
Since we live in a physical world, the use of a mechanical
method of protection may stimulate and reinforce the
consciousness of the individual, to place a aura of protection
around themselves.
What I am eluding to is that it is not necessarily the
composites of the material nor the form that it takes, but the
act of protecting oneself that is important. Yes, it is true,
most individuals at first, need a prop or paraphernalia to
create the necessary state of consciousness, even for their own
protection. Possibly you may find you have developed a sense
(aura) of self-protection that eliminates the need for props.
This post in no way detracts from what you have been advocating,
individuals protecting themselves from abduction, instead it
asks for you to delve into an additional area. Maybe a second
book?
See Ya,
George J. Chapman
AOL - GeorgeChap@aol.com
July 28, 1994
Message: #6097, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 10:59:25 PM
Subject: #6078-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: George J. Chapman 74761,156
George:
I can appreciate the metaphysical aspects you are suggesting in
your
post. I would suggest some perspective. Ask yourself, If you
throw your arms in front of you to protect yourself from a
runaway bus, will your belief protect you from being squashed?
Obviously not.
The logic of your theory is based upon the assumption that you
are dealing with spirtual forces. If, on the other hand, you're
dealing
with technology, SQUASH! Apples and oranges.
The point in ufo interactions that many people confuse is the
mental
aspect. First you have layers of defense mechanism called the
subconscious. When it sees something it knows you can't handle,
it throws up imagery related to the subject but less
threatening. Also, certain
obe's with Nordics etc. can produce the feeling of a spiritual
or supernatural quality. Also, this imagery is frequently
generated by
the alien himself to mislead and misdirect you.
The shield works because, even though a primitive technology, it
is
matched up against technology. My belief's never stopped them in
the
past nor do I expect them to in the future. There is an
exception.
OBE's result in the projection of ourselves into the 4D Nordic
environment. In that state, we can not be hurt or manipulated -
so it
is a safe vehicle for interaction. However, one should leave
their
carcass in the shield.
You are correct on another count. Angelfish reports that her
caged seemed to enhance her abilities to focus her mind and do
things that she had
not done before. There may be some substance to your idea. I, on
the
other hand, have not had this experience - but qualify it by
stating
my head is quite dense and not easily gotten through.
Bob
Message: #266056, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 1994 11:15:03 PM
Subject: #266049-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Brian Reed 71333,2360
To: westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
You sound like a conservative Republican with an agenda of his
own.
Just an observation.
Message: #266113, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 2:40:00 AM
Subject: #266056-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Brian Reed 71333,2360
Brian:
No not a Republican or a Democrat. Winston Churchill was once
quoted
as saying, "If in your 20's you aren't liberal, you have no
heart.
If in your 30's your aren't conservative, you have no brains."
I have no political agenda and have no need to waste time on a
system
that is going to collapse no matter what I do or don't do.
Instead,
I'd rather focus on that which is salvagable - people. Not just
any
people. I have no use for those that don't take responsibility
for their
own actions. Nor for those who won't work. Nor for those who
think the
world owes them a living etc. etc. etc. doo dah doo dah
dayyyyyyyy.
The liberal agenda demands victims - I won't be anyone's victim.
The conservative ticket demands responsibility. Victims are
never
responsible because "Someone else did it to me - IT'S NOT MY
FAULT".
The Victimization of America over the last 50 years of social
fraud
has produced a system wherein the non-producing victims out
breed
the producers (tax base) at a rate of 4 to 1. In a system where
he
who screws the most gets all the votes, the non producers end up
with
most the power and vote away the rights of those who do produce
the
wealth the jobs and the tax base. Such a system will decay and
fall
in on itself and the lesson has been taught in history many
times.
This is nothing new.
My agenda? Survival!
Bob
Message: #6145, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 4:39:19 AM
Subject: #6061-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>Actually, the only need a safe room - the bedroom. Lining the
walls
>with any decorative conductive metal would do the trick AND you
don't
Yea, that was next on my list to mention.
>have to do the whole room. Any angle in a straight line with
the bed
>needs to be covered. They aren't sophisticated enough to shoot
light beams
>around the corner.
I don't understand this? Seems to me, you'd have to do all the
walls and the
ceiling, and if the room has a big window to the outside then
you could use
Venician blinds!
>I don't know what more I can say about the principals of
operation than I
>have. You intercept the signal and ground it out.
You seem to be opening up your design to the general prinicples
involved now,
but I'm still concerned about the language you use. You know
your reputation
preceded you here on this forum as a person to take with a grain
of salt.
You have proven to me that you have a far deeper understanding
than anyone
else posting here (beside myself!) I'm sure people don't have
the greatest
opinion of me, but they *do* know they'd better use solid
arguments against me
or I will reverse engineer their argument and publicly display
the garbage I
uncover.
>The the second source "Angelfish" started giving me
correspondence that
>suggested I take a trip to a specific area of Colorado. I did.
On the
>trip I found bones of questionable origin. Additionally, all of
Angel's
>landmarks and pointers where exactly where she said they'd be.
It's
>interesting to note that before she became involved with the
Nohsaimus
>she has never been psychic or a channeler. This was a new
experience for her
>and it blew her away she'd done it with such accuracy. I was
sufficiently
>impressed I spent the money to haul my carcass up there.
Sounds like they are definitely helping the two of you against
the Nordics, so
I can't understand your ambivolence towards them? Have you or
her actually met
them? How do you know their name? Do you know where they come
from? Do you
know how they relate to the Pleadians, Acturans and Sirians? Do
they contact
you and Angel on a regular basis? Can you contact them?
>As to my plan. I do have a plan and it's specific. I intend to
engage the
>enemy. When, where and how I intend to this is not a subject
for conversation
>except the the extent that the time isn't right this minute.
You are going to save the world? You couldn't possibly have any
significant
effect all by yourself, at least not in the damaged state you
are in (as
compared to our natural state, which is almost unknown on this
planet, but is
very much God like).
>It's long past time we quit our petty squabbeling (mankind) and
get down to
>work - together.
It ain't gonna happen. The phoenix will rise from the ashes
after this world
goes to hell, and it will take everything we have and all the
help we can get
to make that phoenix rise.
|Myke My Boy
|
|You Got It!!
|
|"These ET's might not be as advanced as they'd like us to
think"
|
|BINGO!
Sorry, that wasn't me, that was Frank, and I don't buy it. Did
you catch my
messages to Sandy Lawson about aliens being undead?
>As we approach our rendevous with Armageddon, the mind of
humanity,
>recognizing the danger on a subconscious level is reaching out
to
>its other parts trying to connect and to deal with what is and
is going
>to happen.
There is a lot more to the mind than just the conscious and
sub-conscious, and
the part dealing with group connections isn't the subconcious,
but thats a
whole nother topic; otherwise, I completely agree.
>Anger, once controlled, can be used productively as a dynamo.
Uncontrolled, it
>is self destructive - at the least.
The Angels teach ahimsa - non-violence. This is not "peace man
(Y)", and turn
the other check, non-violence is an active stance (Gandi / MLK)
and caused
the greatest human empire history has known to collapse, the
British Empire.
I am fierce from compassion, not anger. I am no longer
personally a victim,
in fact, with the help of the angels, my cronic disease and
insanity from
constant physical pain and emotional scars are rapidly
disappearing. I was
cronically ill with intestinal cramps (exactly like Kurt Cobain,
Nirvana lead
singer who killed himself primarily, so he claimed, from this
same aliment I
suffered with so long), and I was born with a curved spine. Not
until it began
to straighten did I discover how much pain I had been living
with all my life,
and I might add, this is a medical impossibility. I have always
been told that
my condition was absolutely perminent by doctors. The amount of
sleep I require
has been cut in half (from 12 down to 6 hours) as a result of my
freedom from
physical pain.
Emotionally, my sexual self image was so incredibly damage that
I had
absolutely no idea how attractive I am to women, despite having
large numbers
of both sexs make passes at me over the years. I always thought
their
appearance of being frightened was due to violence inside me,
and their fear of
being hit on by what I thought were so many crude men. It turns
out, they
weren't the slightest bit afraid of me physically (I'm a little
guy, and as
gentle as I can be with women), if they were afraid of anything,
it was loosing
control! I would react boyishly, thinking that would ease their
fear, but that
would only make them want me more! Eventually, they would start
treating me
like shit because I never hit on them, but that would only
convince me that I
failed not to frighten them! The Angels restored my sexuality
and self-
confidence, just by flirting with me. I flirted with thousand of
women before,
it was the only way I could get the attention I needed since my
scared
emotional innerself made any type of relationship impossible,
but it never made
the slightest improvement to my self-image. Now, I can *FEEL*
how women are
effected by me, I don't have to wonder.
>I share your anger on this subject. However, I control it - not
it me. Here is
>the focus point.
Anger works great to keep you protected from aliens as an
individual, the
Angels tell me that it served me well, but is no longer useful.
If you are
angry at someone, you will end up attracting them. My friends
who are outraged
at police activety end up getting themselves hassled by the
police all the time
while they let me pass without so much as a question. I don't
know what you
mean by controlling anger; if present, anger controls you, just
as, if present,
love controls you. The thought of controling love puts your
statement in
contrast, obviously such a thing could not really be love.
Same-same, being
in control, and it isn't anger any more.
Message: #6166, S/3 Abductions
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 10:03:15 AM
Subject: #6057-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Again my simple argument is that if video cameras are being shut
off, why can't the ground connecection be interrupted? It
doesn't make sense....
Message: #6184, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 11:20:09 AM
Subject: #6062-Catch a Gray ?
From: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>if I'm reading you correctly, you want to test the idea that
you are an >abudctee
No, I just know many people who are, and I'd love to find a way
to help document the phenomenon so that main stream science will
have something to sink their collective teeth into. I have no
personal stake in it whatsoever.
Message: #6186, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 11:20:21 AM
Subject: #6065-Catch a Gray ?
From: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>There is no 'official' research into ufos
I know, and that's really a shame. There are some really good,
open-minded, well-qualified scientists out there, but they have
to make a living, and if there's no money for grants, then they
can rarely pursue their own interests. Scientists don't have as
much free choice in experimentation as some people might
believe.
Message: #6183, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 11:20:03 AM
Subject: #6058-Catch a Gray ?
From: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>An old mechanical clock won't
Those are based on winding the clocks, aren't they? Just
thinking aloud- there's no battery or electricity involved,
correct? So if abductees could set up a situation where a
mechanical clock was next to a digital clock, and then somehow
record the whole abduction, including the clock stoppage, then
there'd be something to go on. But video taping doesn't work
from what I understand, so all in all, documentation of any of
this is problematical. I suppose that people have tried setting
up hidden security cameras and failed (?) to get any pictures or
video. This is a very difficult problem.
Message: #6173, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 10:36:23 AM
Subject: #6061-Catch a Gray ?
From: Quint Anapolis 71426,1053
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob:
Collective subconcious? Rendevous with Armageddon? Mind of
humanity?? (Hehe... that last one cracks me up)
It looks like you've been doing some 'truth reconscrution' of
your own there, Bob.
Quint
Message: #266309, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 3:41:19 PM
Subject: #266049-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262
The only thing is, I find it a little hard to believe that all
of the people you say know about them (and actually visit the
Grey ships for festive events) do actually know about them.
Having seen a disk-shaped aircraft that did things I could not
explain, I do believe that aliens are visiting our planet. But I
would think that the smartest thing the government would do
would be to keep the knowledge of this a secret, and not let so
many people know about it, as you say they have. Especially
people in Hollywood. It just seems a little wacky to me.
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #266367, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 6:09:12 PM
Subject: #266309-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
Chris Crosby:
Your logic assumes that the government has any control over what
people
know. Since 1945 they have had control by official debunking.
However,
as use of the personal computer and other forms of
communications have
gotten better, the ability of the individual to communicate with
others
has gotten to the point that this is no longer practical. Ergo,
gov
has nothing to say on the subject anymore. As far as keeping
secrets,
they do and they should.
I'd point out that the abductors don't go to government for
their supply of victims. They take their own. That means that
the abductee is in
a position to have contacts the government doesn't have. It
follows
that the individual has greater access to the subject matter -
IF
he is able to exploit that access.
My point here is that your post did not have a sound premise.
As to beliefs - I can't help you in that area, it's a matter of
personal choice.
Bob
Message: #6228, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 5:55:22 PM
Subject: #6184-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
Cassandra:
Re: Main Stream Science
Has a profound disincentive for doing any kind of research.
Their
funding grants will evaporate the second they do.
Bob
Message: #6227, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 5:55:19 PM
Subject: #6183-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Cassandra McDonough 76206,1741
Cassandra:
Correct, the old mechanical clocks work on a tightened coil of
metal
and isn't electric.
You are also right in that the means exist to build switches
that
can trigger other recording devices. It would be nice if someone
with
the skills would do it. Before you ask, I was born with 10
thumbs
and while not particularly hard - I suffered thru putting up
the cage.
I'm not certain that video taping doesn't work but will concede
I have
no info one way or the other.
It is interesting that people have put notes in their bedclothes
(to the abductors). In one instance I was told of, the person
did not wake up
with the note on - but it did come back a couple of months
later.
In my own case I taped a slip of paper to my backside with a
duel
message. Kiss here ---- > and 'Remember, I AM going to kill
you'.
The note was in my shorts but not taped on when I woke up.
Bob
Message: #6225, S/3 Abductions
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 5:55:10 PM
Subject: #6166-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
I've never mentioned video cameras.
Bob
Message: #6224, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 5:55:09 PM
Subject: #6145-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke:
It's a question of geometry. You're right - the ceiling is a
must.
The spacing between the slats of the cage should be so that none
is
large enough for your body to go thru without hitting one of the
wires,
approximately 3 ft x 4 ft should do - at the surface of the bed.
Right angles are the key here.
They have to shoot the 4D (blue) dimensional doorway off of a 3
dimensional wall. Our construction techniques produce
rectangular rooms.
My experience is that the doorway usually opens in a wall or
closet
down towards the foot of the bed. Then the tractor beam
levitates you
off the bed and thru the door. The abduction technique is
prevalent
in densely populated areas. However, in rural areas where you
don't
have neighbors sharing your life, they will use an exterior
wall.
The 4D beam produces a visible blue light.
My point is that you compute the necessities for the shield
based upon
the location of walls relative to your bed. If a beam coming in
does
not cross paths with the bed, it doesn't need shielding.
Also, if you wanted to decorate it up a bit, you could use beads
on
a thin metal wire etc. There are a lot of ways to do it. It all
depends
on how much work you want to put into it. Me, I'm lazy.
Re: Reputation.
I've said this others many times but it bears repeating. I'm not
selling
and no one has to buy. Those looking to believe in something
should go
to a church. Those who are abductees and 'know' or 'suspect' are
the
ones I'm talking to. Locked in their own minds, they already
know the
truth and just need a little help getting it to the surface. I'm
going
to work my business, pay my bills and continuing living
regardless of
what anyone thinks. However, that you for the kind thoughts on
credibility. If what I say can't stand in the light of day for
scrutiny, there is no point saying it in the first place.
Re: Nordics.
1. These people are sociopaths AND they lie. So if you ask them
the
meaning of life - you're going to get bullsh*t as a response.
I don't take bs seriously.
2. I have no ambiviolence towards them. I know them, they know
me and
our positions are staked out in stone.
3. All abductees will meet them sooner or later in an abduction.
I 'met'
them in broad daylight while hiking. They weren't expecting
to be
'met'.
4. Yes, I have several ways of sending messages up the wire. One
is
through abductees. I send message and the answer comes back
thru
a different source. Or I can use Angelfish when she's
willing.
Re: Saving the World
I'm not the Messiah and wouldn't apply as job prospects
historically tend to be rather poor and short lived. I'm one man
who
will join with other men. You're right though, we must have
help.
And it will be forthcoming from two sources. First, The
Nohsaimus
and secondly dissadent elements within the Nordic Empire. There
is
a palace revolt in progress and certain factions realize that we
are
a source of help. Therefore, a common enemy will bring forth
marriages
of convenience. For us, we will get the technological means to
do battle,
for them, they get a ready made army willing to engage.
The predictions of Armaggedon - if you work them out logically
and
cross reference to other cultural sources say essentially this.
Of the little more than 5 billion people alive on this planet, 1
billion
will be taken by the Nohsaimus and relocated to other worlds out
of
reach of the Nordics. 3.2 billion will be consumed when the
Nordics
harvest the ranch. Roughly 1 billion will be saved when those
taken
by the Noshaimus return, in force, with the dissadent Nordics,
hybrids
etc. to destroy the Nordic machine.
Re: Philosophy of Anger.
Philosophical points of view are like politics and religion -
personal.
Of myself I would say I inspire people to extremes - you either
love me
or hate me - there doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
Bob
Message: #6226, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 5:55:15 PM
Subject: #6173-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Quint Anapolis 71426,1053
Quint:
Apparently I have a better image of humanity that you do.
During the Northridge earthquake when power, phones, water etc
were
off line, people hurt and things in a pretty scarey state. I saw
neighbors who had never spoken to each other offering the help
each other.
Where my kid lives all the people on the block (many of whom had
lived
for years without speaking to each other) took all the kids and
put them
in a van in the middle of the block away from houses, poles
trees etc.
so they'd have a safe place while the grownups worked on getting
the gas mains shut off.
There was NOT the rabid looting etc you'd expect to surface in
such
a disaster. The extreme nature of the emergency caused people to
connect
for the common good. As a private investigator, I am more aware
than
most of humanity's vagaries and not inclined towards Polyannaish
views. My point of view is (I feel) pragmatic and realistic.
Bob
Message: #6241, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 9:05:08 PM
Subject: #6227-Catch a Gray ?
From: Michael Lee Finney 71573,1075
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
PMJI here Bob.,
Notes to the abductors pinned on your tush? You kinky thing
you. Perhaps some of the more defiant abductees might want to
get offensive tattoos done, with slogans like "DIE ALIEN SCUM!"
Or whatever floats their boat.
Barb
Message: #266476, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 11:19:26 PM
Subject: #266113-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
<< Winston Churchill was once quoted as saying, "If in your 20's
you aren't liberal, you have no heart. If in your 30's your
aren't conservative, you have no brains." >>
Winston's actual quote was:
A young man who is not a liberal has no heart. An old man who
is not a conservative has no brain.
Message: #266477, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Jul 29, 1994 11:19:28 PM
Subject: #266113-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: PJ 73363,1075
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hey Bob, your political stuff reminds me, have you ever heard of
Neo-Tech?
Quasi anarchist american paranoids operating out of Nevada.
But they sure do seem to agree with you.
PJ <--- who is a FLAMING capitalist conservative herself
Message: #266512, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 12:06:11 AM
Subject: #266367-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Yes, but if they just take whatever people they want, what's
the reason for having shindigs on alien spacecraft and inviting
powerful people? Your most recent post seems to contradict the
first one I replied to.
Of course, I might just not get it.
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #266514, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 12:11:00 AM
Subject: #266367-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #266552 (1 reply)
Okay, you say that no humans or group of humans (i.e. the
government) have control over the greys, nordics, ect, right? If
that's so, why do the aliens even bother to communicate and
invite powerful people to parties on their spaceships? It
doesn't make very much since, even by alien logic.
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #266552, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 1:01:06 AM
Subject: #266514-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
Reply: #266697 (1 reply)
Chris:
It makes a lot of sense if you stop and think about it.
1. There are reams of evidence that abductees are given
suggestions
that they later follow. Ie: programmed.
2. It follows, logically, that if this ability exists, our ufo
types
could exert influence over elements that would promote
conditions
the consider desireable.
3. Furthermore, they could manipulate peoples and events to
their own
ends. In my book, I give numerous examples of this, the
results
and plenty of historical foundation to prove the premise.
4. In our society, you have 2 major elements that control what
happens
in the United States, the media (in all forms) and
politicians.
Both are of a liberal bent and have controlled most of the
doings
in the U.S. for the last 50 years.
5. If you wish to see the product of liberal rule, you have only
to read
the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. The corruption and
decadence
we are currently experiencing, as well as the general feeling
of
impotence and hopelessness, is nothing new.
6. The principles that founded this country are no longer
operative.
Liberalism creates dependancy and destroys the incentive to
achieve.
It rewards non productivity and eventually destroys countries
and
civilizations.
7. The Nordics are, and have been for 10,000 years, the prime
beneficiaries of chaos. Every 700 years we have a version of
the
Black Plague that have wiped out over 100 million on two
occasions.
Is it odd that we have new killer viruses coming out of no
where
at this particular moment in time? I think not.
The Nordics promote their own agenda and have demonstrated a
solid
historical ability to manipulate peoples and governments. All of
this
can be found and reasoned from only two sources. The Bible and
an
Encylopedia. The rest can be assembled with logic and reason.
I will point out one vital point lest the liberal whiners of the
forum
find reasons to justify their ineptitude. To be manipulated, one
must
agree to do what they know to be wrong. No human being that
adheres
to the principles of civilized behavior can be directed into any
Nordic related destructive activity. It is a question of free
will.
However, as a matter of historical fact, there are always those
who
can be bought but you can't cheat an honest man.
Does it make more sense now?
Bob
Message: #266697, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 9:49:16 AM
Subject: #266552-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Neil Shapiro/Wizop 76703,401
To: westbrook 71705,262
Uh, I'm just curious how you equate liberalism today to the
Roman Empire of the first through fourth centuries? I have
studied that period of History and this is the first time I have
seen that take on it. (I don't wanna get into an argument as to
if liberalism is "good" but am just curious how you see that
operating in those times),
-- Neil
Message: #6295, S/13 Show Feedback
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 2:35:25 AM
Subject: Gray's Beams
From: Robert L. Anello 73144,1445
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
In your opinion, are the energy beams which are used to: a)
Open the doorway, b) immobilize the abductee, and c) transport
the abductee, one in the same beam or separate beams?
Some abductees remember blue light beams, some remember their
bedrooms being "flooded" with white light immediately after a
"flash", and some remember both blue and white light in their
experiences. I'm inclined to believe that immobilization and
transport are two separate steps that do not occur
simultaneously and require two distinct types of energy _beams_
but not necessarily two different types of energy. (both use EM
energy) What's your opinion?
Bob
Message: #6341, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 1:24:18 PM
Subject: #6227-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>Re: Nordics.
>
>1. These people are sociopaths AND they lie. So if you ask them
the
I didn't ask about the Nordics at all, I asked exclusively about
the Nohsaimus.
Why would you get that confused, what would make you think I
want to ask the
Nordics *ANYTHING*?! They are not people, they are undead
demons; they may look
human, but they have no soul. They copy the contents of their
brains from one
body to the next; the conscious mind computer gets copied (along
with the
subconscious), but the soul is lost, its not in the brain to be
copied. This
is the part of you that does the real thinking, the part of you
that loves.
The conscious mind is good for brushing your teeth and driving
the car, but it
doesn't really think, it just runs through data like a computer.
It thinks its
thinking, but its really just running over the same data over
and over, like a
train spinning in circles around the same track. Real thinking
and intelligence
come from the higher mind. As such, without a higher mind, they
are just high
IQ automations, but worse than just a Terminater nightmare; they
aren't just
heartless robots, they are aligned with the dark side of the
Force. They are
themselves creatures of darkness.
>Re: Saving the World
>
>I'm not the Messiah and wouldn't apply as job prospects
historically tend to
>be rather poor and short lived.
. . .
>The predictions of Armaggedon - if you work them out logically
and
>cross reference to other cultural sources say essentially
this.
Doesn't look like that changes the prospects too much on
longevity these days.
>I'm one man who will join with other men. You're right though,
we must have
>help. And it will be forthcoming from two sources. First, The
Nohsaimus
>and secondly dissadent elements within the Nordic Empire. There
is
>a palace revolt in progress and certain factions realize that
we are
>a source of help. Therefore, a common enemy will bring forth
marriages
>of convenience. For us, we will get the technological means to
do battle,
>for them, they get a ready made army willing to engage.
>Of the little more than 5 billion people alive on this planet,
1 billion
>will be taken by the Nohsaimus and relocated to other worlds
out of
>reach of the Nordics. 3.2 billion will be consumed when the
Nordics
>harvest the ranch. Roughly 1 billion will be saved when those
taken
>by the Nohsaimus return, in force, with the dissadent Nordics,
hybrids
>etc. to destroy the Nordic machine.
Destroying the Nordic machine sounds *pretty* ambitious to me, I
would be
overjoyed just to kick them off of this hicksville little
poe-dunk backwater
dirt ball that we call home, but even that hangs in balance. Is
this
information from the Nohsaimus themselves? Was it channeled by
Angel? You
haven't given me any foundation upon which to work with this
information -
though it sounds very familiar to what I have been taught by the
Angelic
Extraterrestials, it also sounds *full* of the sort of
distorting
interpretations that the young students invariably add. Also,
contrary to the
tone of your previous messages this, this sounds *awfully*
passive for you,
just sitting around in your cage, waiting for the rescue
mission... What
happened to 'wiping your own butt'?
>Re: Philosophy of Anger.
>
>Philosophical points of view are like politics and religion -
personal.
>Of myself I would say I inspire people to extremes - you either
love me
>or hate me - there doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
I was using an abstract to try and explain myself, but I'm not
describing
an abstract philosophy, I am describing a state of mind I am
coming into and
which the Angels live in. Angels are fierce, but they do not act
out of
anger or *any* personal motive, they act out of love and
compassion. Is a
mother scolding her child for crossing the street without
looking angry? I'm no
Saint yet, but you definitely mistake my fierce pragmatism for
personal,
animalistic anger. I am no longer at War within myself, nor an
emotional leaf
in the wind sent flying with each external influence; I have a
center now, a
rock hard emotional stable core, which does not get caught up in
all of the
meaningless Soap Operas. Since you so easily get Angels confused
with demons in
conversation, and have the demons confused with us in your mind,
it would seem
to me that the demons have had a much deeper impact on you than
you have
realized.
Message: #6329, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 11:41:25 AM
Subject: #6097-Catch a Gray ?
From: George J. Chapman 74761,156
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob,
>>I can appreciate the metaphysical aspects you are suggesting
in your
post. I would suggest some perspective. Ask yourself, If you
throw your arms in front of you to protect yourself from a
runaway bus, will your belief protect you from being squashed?
Obviously not.
The logic of your theory is based upon the assumption that you
are dealing with spiritual forces. If, on the other hand, you're
dealing
with technology, SQUASH! Apples and oranges.<<
Let me clarify where I am coming from. The metaphysical aspects
that were placed forth in my previous message relate to the *4D
Nordic environment* as implied by you; a non-physical (3D
physical), but not necessarily spiritual environment. Now if I
misunderstood you, and they are physical, a gun would
suffice. OTOH, if they are a composite of physical and
metaphysical (incorporeal) energies, then it would seem
advantageous to refute their demands on many levels.
My suggestion to remove oneself from full dependence on any
particular physical shield is based upon two premises- to live
any kind of life one must leave the shielded area - all attacks
or abductions do not happen at night. The first premise is a
given. The second, if wrong, points more to a non-physical
attack or abduction (OBE) and only adds to the concept of a
*reinforced consciousness* to combat the unwelcome entities.
>>Angelfish reports that her caged seemed to enhance her
abilities to focus her mind and do things that she had not done
before. <<
This effect is not unlike the ones felt by people who
experimented with the *metal pyramid* hung over their bed in the
early 1980's. Replacing the metal with *string* attached to the
ceiling and tied to the four corners of the bed produced the
same effect. Eventually, some realized the visualization of the
shape, of the pyramid, had the same effect.
It would seem, if only the technological aspect were true, then
those persons living in a metal enclosed mobile home would be
immune to any attack, abduction or coercion from the *4D Nordic
environment*.
See Ya,
George J. Chapman
CompuServe - 74761,156
July 30, 1994
Message: #6335, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 1:13:27 PM
Subject: #6224-Catch a Gray ?
From: Larry W. Varney/KY 73563,61
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
I've bee reading this thread, and I'm lost concerning some of
the characters. Who is Nohsaimus? What are the Nordics? The
Grays? UB's?
Thanks,
Larry
Message: #6357, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 3:06:26 PM
Subject: #6224-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>Re: Nordics.
>
>1. These people are sociopaths AND they lie. So if you ask them
the
I didn't ask about the Nordics at all, I asked exclusively about
the Nohsaimus.
Why would you get that confused, what would make you think I
want to ask the
Nordics *ANYTHING*?! They are not people, they are undead
demons; they may look
human, but they have no soul. They copy the contents of their
brains from one
body to the next; the conscious mind computer gets copied (along
with the
subconscious), but the soul is lost, its not in the brain to be
copied. This
is the part of you that does the real thinking, the part of you
that loves.
The conscious mind is good for brushing your teeth and driving
the car, but it
doesn't really think, it just runs through data like a computer.
It thinks its
thinking, but its really just running over the same data over
and over, like a
train spinning in circles around the same track. Real thinking
and intelligence
come from the higher mind. As such, without a higher mind, they
are just high
IQ automations, but worse than just a Terminater nightmare; they
aren't just
heartless robots, they are aligned with the dark side of the
Force. They are
themselves creatures of darkness.
>Re: Saving the World
>
>I'm not the Messiah and wouldn't apply as job prospects
historically tend to
>be rather poor and short lived.
. . .
>The predictions of Armaggedon - if you work them out logically
and
>cross reference to other cultural sources say essentially
this.
Doesn't look like that changes the prospects too much on
longevity these days.
>I'm one man who will join with other men. You're right though,
we must have
>help. And it will be forthcoming from two sources. First, The
Nohsaimus
>and secondly dissadent elements within the Nordic Empire. There
is
>a palace revolt in progress and certain factions realize that
we are
>a source of help. Therefore, a common enemy will bring forth
marriages
>of convenience. For us, we will get the technological means to
do battle,
>for them, they get a ready made army willing to engage.
>Of the little more than 5 billion people alive on this planet,
1 billion
>will be taken by the Nohsaimus and relocated to other worlds
out of
>reach of the Nordics. 3.2 billion will be consumed when the
Nordics
>harvest the ranch. Roughly 1 billion will be saved when those
taken
>by the Nohsaimus return, in force, with the dissadent Nordics,
hybrids
>etc. to destroy the Nordic machine.
Destroying the Nordic machine sounds *pretty* ambitious to me, I
would be
overjoyed just to kick them off of this hicksville little
poe-dunk backwater
dirt ball that we call home, but even that hangs in balance. Is
this
information from the Nohsaimus themselves? Was it channeled by
Angel? You
haven't given me any foundation upon which to work with this
information -
though it sounds very familiar to what I have been taught by the
Angelic
Extraterrestials, at least in terms of the mission of rescue.
But, contrary to
the tone of your previous messages this, sounds *awfully*
passive for you, just
sitting around in your cages, waiting for the Rapture? What
happened to 'wiping
your own butt'? And I'm utterly dubious about any kind of deal
with the dark
side, that sounds to me like a lie straight from the dark side.
>Re: Philosophy of Anger.
>
>Philosophical points of view are like politics and religion -
personal.
>Of myself I would say I inspire people to extremes - you either
love me
>or hate me - there doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
I was using an abstract to try and explain myself, but I'm not
describing
an abstract philosophy, I am describing a state of mind I am
coming into and
which the Angels live in. Angels are fierce, but they do not act
out of
anger or *any* personal motive, they act out of love and
compassion. Is a
mother scolding her child for crossing the street without
looking angry? I'm no
Saint yet, but you definitely mistake my fierce pragmatism for
personal,
animalistic anger. I am no longer at War within myself, nor an
emotional leaf
in the wind sent flying with each external influence; I have a
center now, a
rock hard emotional stable core, which does not get caught up in
all of the
meaningless Soap Operas. Since you so easily get Angels confused
with demons in
conversation, and have the demons confused with us in your mind,
it would seem
to me that the demons have had a much deeper impact on you than
you have
realized.
Message: #266953, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 7:45:18 PM
Subject: #266697-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Neil Shapiro/Wizop 76703,401
Neil:
The Roman Empire, during its conservative era - conquered most
of the
known world AND managed it as well. The kept all of the diverse
factions
in line - one way or another.
During the last days of the culture, the leaders of the empire
focused
on their own self engrandizement to the detriment of the
country.
The considered, "What's in it for me" first and their trust to
the populus as an afterthought, if at all. When this standard
became the norm, you would be hard pressed to find many who
would consider the public good first. One of the areas attacked
in the Roman liberal era was the military. When weakened those
waiting to revolt found a defending force decimated by cut backs
and/or policitical considerations. Result -
the empire began to shrink.
Did this inspire those in power to return to the days when
things did work? Nope - they continue with the finger pointing
and blame and kept lining their pockets. Eventually, the empire
collapsed.
Socially, the decadence of the Christians and lions and the
blood lust of a bored society willing to go to any extreme for a
thrill points to some very basic liberal policies and many many
direct colloraries can be found in American society of the last
40 years. In very simple terms, the difference between liberal
and conservative is this.
To the liberal - the part is greater than the whole. Emphasis is
placed on the 'me' and not the 'our' to such a degree we will
no longer have an 'us', just a collection of individual
groups
all fighting with each other for dinner scraps.
To the Consevative - the whole is greater than the part, but
there is
recognition that the well being of the part contributes to
the well being of the whole.
Bob
Message: #266914, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 5:16:19 PM
Subject: #266552-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #266951 (1 reply)
Yeah, a little bit, but it still seems a little wacky to me
that they're inviting Bill and Hillary on alien spaceships for a
little shindig. If you're telling the truth, then maybe most of
the stuff in the tabloids are fact.
Another thing: Why is there never any mention of the nordics in
any UFO/alien abduction literature and/or television specials?
You seem to be the only one who even mentions these nordics.
Yet Another Thing: The night before last the security lights in
the backyard started to go on and off (about once every three
seconds) and the fan went on, but no one turned it on. I started
to feel a little sleepy, but I was scared I was going to be
abducted or something so I tried my hardest to stay awake, while
I continued to look at my watch making sure there wasn't any
missing time. I stayed up until morning (it was 3:36am when the
things started happening), and found that no time was missing.
Is it possible to ward off abductions with your mind? I don't
have a shield or anything like that.
Chris Crosby, SCC
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #266951, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 7:45:08 PM
Subject: #266914-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
Chris:
If you're going to quote me, please don't take me out of
context.
I didn't say Bill and (Heil) Hillary were being taken on board
for
shindigs, I said they were abductees. As for the tabloids being
accurate, only if you've had a lobotomy.
Re: Warding off abductions with your mind.
It depends on what you call your mind, it can be a pretty big
subject.
In my case, pre-shield, I alter my schedule to vampire hours,
staying
up all night (with two pots of coffee) and going to bed at
sunrise.
You can will your way thru it but it's a real pain in the a$$. I
work
9 to 5 and had to divide my sleeping schedule up into 2 4 hour
chunks
with the workday in the middle.
On the subject of abductions. We have in your mythology the
story of
those who sell their souls to the devil and, in return, receive
wealth and fame. The concept isn't new and has been around for a
long
time. The Nordics are, if anything, organized and logical. They
have
a management structure that works. Now, having gone to the
trouble
to solicit people to work your agenda - it is nothing less than
stupid
to propose they would not have a way to manage or to contact
those
who were volutarily working with them. Therefore, the idea of
little
parties on ships for the purposes of business and pleasure.
The practicalities of managing human resources isn't going to be
that
different for Nordics OR Xerox.
As to why you haven't read about Nordics, I guess you're reading
the
wrong material. You could get a subscription Mufon's monthly
rag,
they're mentioned occasionally. Unfortunately, as the worker
bees,
Grays are seen most often and become the point of debate. As
they
reflect the will of their master's, one would better focus on
the
horse's head than the other end.
Bob
Message: #6378, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 7:44:02 PM
Subject: #6329-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: George J. Chapman 74761,156
George:
In dealing with dimensional issues you have to keep the
relativity in
perspective. If a 3D human attacks a 4D Nordic, he'll be
swinging
at empty air as the Nordic is not occupying the same time frame.
If a 3D human hits another 3D human, then the physics of cause
and
effect apply.
However, if a 4D human hits a 4D Nordics - you will get the same
cause
and effect as both have the same spacial characteristics.
Can a 3D human interact via OBE with a 4D Nordic - yes. OBE, the
human
is in a 4D state. Therefore, both parties are essentially the
same.
However, there are major differences in as much as they can't
take
clippings from your gonads as it ain't there. Also, escape while
OBE
is very easy so risks are minimal to nonexistant.
I'll agree with you that ALL attacks and abductions do not occur
at
night - MOST OF THEM DO. I was bagged in 1973 in broad daylight
when
I happened upon their ship while hiking. I could have lived
without this.
Had I not been in the right place at the wrong time - it
wouldn't have happened - just bad luck.
Take the driving down the road scenario where you end up with
missing time. Usually, the victim gets out of the car to look. A
mistake.
Hunker down and stay in the car and if possible - ground the car
so
it acts like a shield.
I also wouldn't promote mobile homes as antiabduction devices.
If for
no other reason that God hates these things. Whenever a tornado,
flood
etc hits - it's always the mobile home that ends up 50 miles
from its
prior resting place.
As far as enhanced mental abilities - I can not confirm Angel's
experience. Incidentally, the pyramid heads came from the 60's.
The
80's were those who missed the original bus. I tried this - it
just
gave me a headache and made me feel stupid.
Bob
Message: #6376, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 7:44:26 PM
Subject: #6335-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Larry W. Varney/KY 73563,61
Larry:
Goto the Newage forum - ufo library and download the bit of my
book in
their.
A Survivor's Guide To Armageddon.
It will give you a lot of the background material.
Bob
Message: #6375, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 7:44:24 PM
Subject: #6357-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Myke:
I have not great love of Nordics BUT I find your intolerance of
them based upon their characteristics (no soul) disquieting. By
what criteria would you judge any species not your own?
Myke, it wouldn't hurt you to read my book - it wouldn't hurt me
either as I end up rewriting material that is already available
for you.
No my information on Armageddon is not from the Nohsaimus it is
from a
dissadent Nordic.
In 1973, I was picked up, and taken into what appeared to be a
360 degree
movie theatre. There I was show videos that appeared to be news
clips
of future events as it might appear on the six o'clock news. It
begins
with the resignation of Richard Nixon. The product was a
database of
of future information that I've learned how to access. However,
as the
data comes from I Nordic, I also distrust portions of it -
particularly
the fact that the end result is not in it.
Now, before you go to the next thought of 'Hey why don't you
prove it'.
I already have. This proposition was put to me on 4/11/94 down
on the
ufo forum. I found it reasonable to either put up or shut up. I
was asked
for a short range prediction that was easily verified. On 4/12
around
noon pst, I predicted an earthquake in the Los Angeles area - at
5:58
P.m. pst - it hit. This material was posted on the cis board
before the
event and I have save the posts etc. I am not, HOWEVER, going to
perform
like a trained seal.
I am not waiting around for rapture or just sitting in my cage.
I sleep
in my cage. It is a safe place to go when I know I am not going
to be
conscious. I have a game plan. Part of it is to put out as much
material
in a public forum so that others can benefit from it.
I'll agree with you that angels CAN BE fierce, but it is not
their
preference. The Nohsaimus are not about war but peace. I suspect
that
a portion of the Nordic Empire might be salvagable and qualified
for
membership in the Nohsaimus universe. However, the other part
isn't
going to throw in the towel and go away. They need to be dealt
with
and I suspect I have a role in that.
Also, I don't while it is accurate to view the Nohsaimus as
'angels',
I don't view the Nordics as demons. They are related but
different
races that have evolved differently. If one is to engage in any
diplomacy with either party, that person must have a realistic
view
of who he is dealing with. There can be no place for prejudice
AND
that individual must approach these dealings with an open mind.
The Nordic races exists because of the crimes of others. In this
regard, they are as much victims as we are. A reasonable
allowance
needs to be made to the point - but that allowance can not pass
the point of stupidity.
The Noshaimus themselves will NOT make war on the Nordics. They
will
provide the means for us to do. Don't envision Gabriel leading
the
troops - they will be lead in good part by a former fallen
angel,
Lanonandec Son Caligastia #9344, of the Second Order of
Lanonandecs.
HE is the person most responsible for the state of this planet
and
HE is charged with cleaning up the that mess.
I think it would benefit you to cease viewing these people in
their
religious imagery and think of them as over achieving humans.
You'll
be closer to the truth.
Bob
Message: #6379, S/13 Show Feedback
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 7:44:06 PM
Subject: #6295-Gray's Beams
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert L. Anello 73144,1445 (received)
Robert:
Are the beams used for different functions all the same beam?
Yes and not. There is only one power source on the ship. To that
degree
they all eminate from the same source. However, that is the last
point of commonality.
In the use of the 4D doorway. One energy field creates the door
then
another beam is used to haul the abductee out. Logically it
would seem
that as two different energy fields are operative at the same
time BUT
serving different functions they must be operative at different
frequencies. Otherwise, one would interfere with the other.
To answer your question - No - they do not use the same beam.
As to whether an abductee see's the blue 4D doorway light or the
white
tractor beam depends on when they tune into the program.
We are in agreement on this point.
Bob
Message: #267004, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 9:55:17 PM
Subject: #266951-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #267045 (1 reply)
So you're saying they didn't abduct you because you stayed up
until sunrise? That's unusual. I've heard that they'll abduct
you whether you're asleep or awake, as long as it's night.
Whatever the case, I certainly hope they don't try it again.
Assuming they tried it at all. It might have just been a dream.
Although, for the past few months I've been staying up until
sunrise every night, and I haven't been able to figure out why.
It might be my sub-conscious keeping me up. But like I said, I
sure hope not.
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #267045, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 11:38:07 PM
Subject: #267004-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
Chris:
I can't help what you've 'heard', however, my experience is that
they
will make no move unless every living creature, capable of
harming them,
is sedated to the point of being lobomized. To do otherwise
places them
in lethal danger and they won't do it (as a rule). There may be
some
exception out there I don't know about, but it is ex parte from
their
standard modus operandi.
It also doesn't hurt that there is a loaded pistol next to my
bed and
each bullet has the name of a Gray on it.
Bob
Message: #6393, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 8:30:07 PM
Subject: #6227-Catch a Gray ?
From: Sandy Lawson 71333,3051
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6409 (1 reply)
About your note taped to your backside that said "Kiss my ***".
ROFL!!!
You're a regular riot, Bob! Do Nordics have a sense of humor?
Maybe the note fluttered off in the tractor beam...Lordy, I can
just see it now.... :)
Nordic: " What's this? What does that mean? Hey you, #365537, go
put your lips on his gluteus maximus and see if you die"
:-) :-) :-) :-P
--Sandy
Message: #6409, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 11:38:15 PM
Subject: #6393-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Sandy Lawson 71333,3051 (received)
Sandy:
Thanks, I have been known for my warped sense of humor.
Bob
Message: #6394, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 8:33:25 PM
Subject: #6375-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
What book Bob? I wish you would give more sources for your info,
was this
information on the Lacadonic fellow, former fallen Angel, from
the dissident
Nordic? I don't quite understand, you were given some kind of
media
presentation, but you speak of it as a database you have current
access to,
are you saying a large amount of information was programmed into
you? If its
from a Nordic I wowuldn't trust it *AT* *ALL*.
I'm not religious, I became an athiest at the age of 8 when I
found myself
completely unable to logically find any counter argument, I
didn't
understand quantum and I had as yet no exposure to the great
Eastern
mystics. I gave you the foundation for my reasoning, and it is
technical,
not religious. As I said, they are not born and they do not die,
they do
not return to God between incarnations and they will never
return Home to
the real world, away from this shadow world as is our destiny.
They are
creatures of this world alone, they gave up the part of
themselves that is
real, it can not be copied in the technical process that allows
them to
transfer their consciousness from one body to the next.
More questions shortly...
BTW, I wish we could communicate more quickly, every go around
now we seem
to be jumping to radically altered and modified contexts, and
given how much
information we both have, and how it seems to match up very
closely in some
ways, but very loosely, or not at all in others, this could go
on for some
time.
Message: #6402, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 10:04:24 PM
Subject: Armaggedon
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6408 (1 reply)
What kind of war are you expecting? Gandhi went to war against
the British
Empire, the greatest human empire that has ever existed, and
won, without firing
a shot. Gandhi was one of them.
Did the dissident Nordic Xerox tell you about the
Noshaimus/Nohsaimus (which is
it?) rescue mission or did that come from the Nohsaimus
themselves? How did
you recieve the information that you recieved about the
Nohsaimus and their
rescue mission?
Nordics are over achieving humans? I thought you were arguing
how unadvanced
you think they really are? I agree, but in an entirely different
context, they
are far progressed on the path of devolution, far down the path
of the dark
side. In one respect you can't get any lower save for
annihilation, which is
what happens to them when their physical forms are destroyed.
They won't
reincarnate, they gave that up; thus their overriding fear of
bodily damage.
Certainly couldn't see one leading an army involving physical
assault...
Message: #6408, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 1994 11:38:07 PM
Subject: #6402-Armaggedon
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Reply: #6415 (1 reply)
Myke:
I'm getting tired of having my words to you taken out of context
and
twisted. Futhermore, you seem intent on making meanings not
contained
in the words. I never said there was a Nordic named Xerox, I
made a point
that you apparently chose not to take as intended.
No clarification is needed as to who said what in the previous
post.
It is rather clear to me - if it isn't clear to you then I
suggest
you ponder the material some more.
For example, there is no Nohsaimus rescue mission, I'm cyrstal
on the
point. For whatever reason you wish to warp and pervert my
thoughts,
they are yours alone and I don't have the inclination to waste
my time
with the game.
Your anger and hatred seethes through the screen here. I counsel
tolerance and a degree of understanding re: Nordics and you
return
with more venom. Sir, you are unstable, illogical and far from
being
on a sound foundation and I am not in a position to give you
anything
that you would find valuable. I'm sorry Myke, this conversation
services no positive purpose and ends now.
Bob
Message: #6415, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 12:06:00 AM
Subject: #6408-Armaggedon
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
>I'm getting tired of having my words to you taken out of
context and
>twisted. Futhermore, you seem intent on making meanings not
contained
>in the words. I never said there was a Nordic named Xerox, I
made a point
>that you apparently chose not to take as intended.
Good God man, *I* used xeroxing to try an explain the way I see
aliens.
>No clarification is needed as to who said what in the previous
post.
>It is rather clear to me - if it isn't clear to you then I
suggest
>you ponder the material some more.
Yes it is, I'm completely lost, and I wait with baited breath
for each of
you postings.
>For example, there is no Nohsaimus rescue mission, I'm cyrstal
on the
>point. For whatever reason you wish to warp and pervert my
thoughts,
>they are yours alone and I don't have the inclination to waste
my time
>with the game.
You said they'd come and evacuate. I'm completely lost then....
>Your anger and hatred seethes through the screen here. I
counsel tolerance and
>a degree of understanding re: Nordics and you return
>with more venom. Sir, you are unstable, illogical and far from
being
>on a sound foundation and I am not in a position to give you
anything
>that you would find valuable. I'm sorry Myke, this conversation
services no
>positive purpose and ends now.
Angry? Stop being so definsive! I'm *finally* having the
converstaion I've been
waiting to have (right before you came I had given up that any
would show up
to talk to). Theres a ton of info to go through, and you admit
yourself that
you can't trust your Nordic sources, yet you never say whether
what your
talking about came from the Nordics or the Nohsaimus.
Message: #6416, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 12:32:03 AM
Subject: casting pearls
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6438 (1 reply)
First, what book have you written?
Second, like I keep saying, for right now I'm a whole lot more
interested in
the good guys, but you did catch my attention with:
>Lanonandec Son Caligastia #9344, of the Second Order of
Lanonandecs.
I think that since you know how bad this looks to some people,
you've come
to expect that people think you are crazy and that I will too.
This is the
very reason I've been spending weeks clearing this forum out of
debunkers
and ridiculers, to make a space for a conversation like this,
but I think
you are pushing your own bounderys, you are saying things that
*you* are just
not comfortable saying in public. I'm all ears, but I think you
can be fooled,
but I'll judge that by your source, and not by judging you
personally. Perhaps
we should find a more private means of communication? As for
myself, there are
*many* things I will not say here in the public eye and feel
like you've got me
'casting my pearls before swine' as it were, *not* you, everyone
*but* you.
The dissident Nordic who gave you the media display: sounds very
much like the
media displays described in Dr. David Jacob's book secret life.
The most common
theme in those media displays was a future Earth which didn't
show any signs of
man, just endless nature. (Also, the atmosphere is a somewhat
different shade).
Message: #6438, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 2:51:12 AM
Subject: #6416-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Myke:
Agreed - into email. There are things that need to be said that
are
inappropriate for this forum.
If you'd read the post and digested it - a Lanonandec is a
classification
of angel. It requires that one think a little about the subject
matter.
Email it is.
Message: #267190, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 10:09:28 AM
Subject: #266953-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Neil Shapiro/Wizop 76703,401
To: westbrook 71705,262
Hi Bob --
Keep in mind that the last days of the Roman Empire were _not_
in the First Century AD which was the most Conservative time of
the Empire. Following the Julian Emperors there were three
hundred more years. The decline of the Empire actually began, in
my opinion, with the establishment of the Christian Emperors,
the split of the Empire and the weakening of the military due to
the no-longer truly Statewide religion. I think Constantine was
far closer to today's Liberal values then to today's
Conservatism and although many people consider him to have been
a "good" Emperor from the standpoint of History he truly helped
to finish the Empire off.
But to say that the Coliseum Games were "liberal" or
"conservative" in nature I think forgets that more then anything
else they were traditional. Once they had reached epic
proportions it was like everything else, hard to cut back. But
the epic size was reached under a government that I think today
we would not call either liberal or conservative -- but fascist
in nature.
Anyway, pretty far off topic for here! Thanks for sharing your
views with me tho!!
-- Neil
Message: #267375, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 5:08:09 PM
Subject: #267190-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Neil Shapiro/Wizop 76703,401 (received)
Reply: #267380 (1 reply)
Neil:
You question imposed a time frame, and I ignored it as I wasn't
willing to open research material and look up time periods.
Liberalism produces a period of long term decay that culminates
in the collapse of the system promoting it. In this we are
agreed.
Re: The games. Gladiator games were traditional. The death
spectacles
of mass execution were not. Fascist is a political extreme.
Liberalism,
in it's extreme produces a fascist state (ask any smoker).
Actually, these forms of government are not off the topic of
ufos.
The governments reflect the attitudes of the controlling
entities.
In my book, I noted that the Nordic agenda has always been one
that
culminates in death and destruction (emphasis added). If you
care not
whether or genetic material comes from the living or the dead,
then
death would be a goal to be achieved. It follows that the more
deaths
the greater the achievement of that goal. However, it is
noteworthy
that, like good herders, they never decimate the herd beyond
it's
ability to reproduce itself.
Bob
Message: #267380, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 5:19:15 PM
Subject: #267375-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Neil Shapiro/Wizop 76703,401
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
<> Uh, I don't recall agreeing to that.
<>
The death spectacles _were_ traditional from around 100 BC
onward. They became State-run during the Julian period. By the
fall of the Roman Empire (as dated by Gibbon) they had been in
existence for at least 600 years. I think that qualifies as
traditional .
<> There we don't agree on
definitions. To me Fascism is a form of government. Liberalism
and Conservatism are words that reference a person's stand
within one form of government. Someone can be defined as a
Liberal in the USA but someone defined as a Liberal in Russia
may be two very different nexus of belief systems.
Very interesting though your theory that to understand UFOs we
must understand their governments. I don't understand what you
mean by "If you care not whether or genetic material comes from
the living or the dead, then death would be a goal to be
achieved." Maybe I've missed a conversation here that explains
that....
-- Neil
Message: #267387, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 5:41:16 PM
Subject: #267045-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Yes, but can't the greys sedate you no matter what you try to
do to keep awake (coffee, drugs, ect...)? Or do they just depend
on the abductee not knowing he/she is about to be abducted, and
they sleep willingly? I'd think they'd be able to knock you out
no matter what you do.
Your bullets have the names of Greys on them? What kind of
names to Greys have, anyway?
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #267487, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 9:43:16 PM
Subject: #267045-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Jack Boyle 70322,2171
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
>> It also doesn't hurt that there is a loaded pistol next to my
bed and each bullet has the name of a Gray on it. <<
PMJI, but I think I recall you mentioning in previous posts that
you were able to harm one or more of the Grays by physically
striking them. Do you think (or know) if you caused the death of
any Grays? If you were to shoot one of them during an abduction,
do you think the body would remain as proof that could be shown
to others? Or would it 'go back' to wherever they came from?
Would you be willing/able to disable your cage in an attempt to
investigate these questions ?
I think a dead Gray would be conclusive proof for anyone!
Just trying to expand my reality tunnel,
Jack
P.S. I just read your post about not becoming aware until you
were on the table, and I think that answers some of my
questions. But I'll post this anyway, in case you want to
elaborate .
Message: #267374, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 5:08:04 PM
Subject: #267203-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
Reply: #267390 (1 reply)
Sara:
My problem with your scenario is the same as I have with Chris'.
If 'beliefs' were functional here, people would have believed
them away
a long time ago. Consider the prodcedure used in an abduction.
1. Sedate every living thing in the house.
2. Open dimensional doorway.
3. Activate tractor beam and take abductee out of bed and into
ship.
4. Perform genetic extractions.
5. Reverse procedure and put abductee back in bed.
It is noteworthy that #1 is to give electronic lobotomies to
everything
in the house. This makes them incapable of voluntary actions.
Ergo,
you have to conscious control.
It is a rare individual who can take subconscious control under
these
circumstances. I have only been able to 'become aware' AFTER
they've had
me on the ship, butt naked and on the table. Then I can start
fighting.
The metaphysical and occult overtones of your post make for good
reading, but based on my experience I can tell you that you have
a negligble
chance of success. You fight technology with technology.
Bob
Message: #267390, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 5:47:06 PM
Subject: #267374-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: CHRIS CROSBY (SCC) 72123,2154
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I don't know where you got to the conclusion that I have
constructed any scenario, since I have no particular beliefs on
this subject. I'm just trying to learn from what you and the
others on this Forum are saying, and I'll believe the one that
sounds the most logical to me. Currently, your "scenario" seems
a little far-fetched, but when you're dealing with grey aliens
why abduct you at night and perform experiments on you,
*everything* seems a little far-fetched, so I've just gotta go
with the flow.
Chris Crosby, SCC
Message: #6523, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 10:51:14 PM
Subject: #6064-Catch a Gray ?
From: Michael Borger 71736,3374
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I've been following your remarks through this thread and I read
you met R. Buckminster Fuller. I have never met him in the
flesh, but back in medical school days I had a visionary dream
in which I met him. It is one of the pivotal moments of my life.
Are you interested in discussing this topic? Regards... Mike
Borger
Message: #6483, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 5:26:00 PM
Subject: #6378-Catch a Gray ?
From: George J. Chapman 74761,156
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Hi Bob,
>>I'll agree with you that ALL attacks and abductions do not
occur at
night - MOST OF THEM DO. I was bagged in 1973 in broad daylight
when
I happened upon their ship while hiking. I could have lived
without this.
Had I not been in the right place at the wrong time - it
wouldn't have happened - just bad luck.<<
All the more reason to carry permanent portable protection, by
developing the conscious thought of self-protection, thereby
allowing the aura to project same.
>>I also wouldn't promote mobile homes as antiabduction devices.
If for
no other reason that God hates these things. Whenever a tornado,
flood
etc hits - it's always the mobile home that ends up 50 miles
from its
prior resting place.<<
Well, I did want to move anyway. In the meantime, I'll contact
*God* and see if *He* can vent some of his hatred (dislike?) in
another direction .
>> Incidentally, the pyramid heads came from the 60's. The 80's
were those who missed the original bus.<<
I missed many buses in the 60's, as I was busy supporting and
raising a family, although I made up for it in the 80's.
George J. Chapman
CompuServe - 74761,156
July 31, 1994
4:32 pm
Message: #6499, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 8:19:13 PM
Subject: #6438-casting pearls
From: Randall Reeder 76050,3015
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6507 (1 reply)
Oh please, please don't go e-mail!
I've been lurking here for more than a month waiting for your
every post.
Just as you are tying your writings in with the Urantia book and
things are getting really interesting you are GOING PRIVATE with
the good stuff??
Please don't forget about us serious, and seriously concerned
lurkers.
I haven't jumped into this fray before because I'm having a time
getting my own thoughts and memories sorted on these issues.
Every serious posting I've read here and elsewhere has helped me
tremendously.
Cast your pearls I say. Some of us are a bit better than swine.
P.S. I'm going to send off for your book as soon as I can find a
damn disk-mailer.
From the Coffee Capital of the World, Seattle, WA
Message: #6533, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 1994 11:32:07 PM
Subject: #6523-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael Borger 71736,3374
Mike:
I don't know that I'd qualify as an expert on Buckminster Fuller
except
that I though him an intelligent and nice old man with a gift
for getting
at the heart of the matter and little tolerance for bs.
He also had a distaste for the rules of conventional science and
did
things his way. A good thing that he lived to as old as he did,
he gained
recognition by outliving his detractors.
Bob
Message: #6569, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 1994 7:25:02 AM
Subject: #6065-Catch a Gray ?
From: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> This is true - they only threaten the citizens - not the
government.
ROFL! The classic quote of the century.
-- Chris
Message: #6666, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 1994 8:48:10 PM
Subject: #6590-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Sandy Lawson 71333,3051
Sandy:
Re: Gonad Clipper.
And I thought I was warped.......
Bob
Message: #6680, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 1994 10:18:12 PM
Subject: Catch a Gray ?
From: Sandy Lawson 71333,3051
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6692 (1 reply)
Bob,
Nah, I enjoy your sense of humor and earthy style of
speech. Did I mention I used to be in the Navy? Heard that stuff
alla time, rarely with any intelligence. There were the
occasional gems, though, that's how I know how to look thru
personality/background/speech patterns to see intelligence and
wisdom.
Oh yeah, about good ol' (or bad ol') Odin: If Nordics reproduce
like we do, how does the Xeroxing of their minds work? Are the
children literally themselves all over again? If so, why is
immortal Odin still kicking around in his scarred up body? To
attract babes who like the rugged look? ; )
----Sandy
Message: #6692, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 1994 11:41:09 PM
Subject: #6680-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Sandy Lawson 71333,3051 (received)
Reply: #6711 (1 reply)
Re: Odin and aging.
I have never seen a Nordic over 33. I've seen them as young as
2.
Odin is the exception to the rule. One of the aspects of living
in a
4D environment is no time - virtual immortality. Furthermore,
there
is ever present aspect of genetically engineered immortality.
In my book, I've speculated that Nordics are zapped with a
forever pill
sometime around 33. IF Odin were 'converted' in his 60's (as
appears
the case) then he is stuck with a 60 year old body. As there
aren't
any old Nordics, this would make him rather unique and perhaps
even
sexy.
As for copying minds. I don't believe I said that they copy
Nordic minds
just ours and for purposes of intelligence more than anything
else.
In my 1973 abduction I was programmed with a great deal of info.
The
room this was done in was not designed for humans but for
Nordics.
You may say the Emily Woodhead center of Rapid learning. In less
than
an hour, I absorbed 30 years of condensed info.
As for reincarnation. At the time of the writing of the book, I
was
uncertain (and said so) as to the existence of the 'good guys'.
This
uncertainty no longer is present. Further, the Nohsaimus are
the
exclusive distributers of the soul - not the Nordics. It follows
that
if a species is immortal, there is not need for reincarnation
hense
no need to inject personality in or remove it from a corpus.
The Nordics have created a number of life forms from our life
plasm.
Each of these is lesser than the Nordic himself. It follows they
would
not like to devolve a step or two. No they don't xerox Nordic
minds.
Grays, on the other hand are highly programable. Except for
their basic biological instincts - they can be altered to serve
any master (assuming you know how).
Bob
Message: #6711, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 2:08:13 AM
Subject: #6692-Catch a Gray ?
From: Michael Lee Finney 71573,1075
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6718 (1 reply)
Hello Bob,
I am not familiar with you or where you are coming from, but
I have caught glimpses of posts by and about you that lightly
intrigued me. My remembered race conquered mortality and aging
and were not unlike what are often called Nordics. What do you
know and how do you now it? Are you a channeler?
Barb
Message: #6718, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 2:14:08 AM
Subject: #6711-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Michael Lee Finney 71573,1075
Barb:
If I had immortality in a bottle, I wouldn't be sitting here
playing
with my computer
No, I'm not a channeler nor am I immortal. Damn!
Bob
Message: #6764, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 2:16:22 PM
Subject: Myke Reynolds
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Folks:
I'm having a problem that I'm going to share with you. Not so
much
because I need help solving it, but because it's going to get
plastered
between your eyes whether you like it or not.
I've been engaged in conversations with Myke Reynolds here on
the forum.
In his posts I detected what I thought were some venomous and
disturbing
qualities. I told him I thought his statements illogical and
unsound.
I then moved our chats to email because I could see where things
were
going. For 15 years I was married to a paranoid schizophenic and
as
time passed I saw her illness progress too. I saw disturbing
parallels
in the things Mr. Reynolds was saying to me.
I quickly discovered that his ideas are, by my standards, far
more
bizarre than those generally heard on an, admittedly , fringe
subject
like ufos. His email to me in the last 24 hours has been
hateful,
assaultive and bizarre. He has now taken his behavior back into
the
public forum where he promises to be a disruptive influence. I
deleted
his last message to me.
He's told me that he cruises this forum getting rid of
debunkers.
I checked with the staff and found that he's not a sysop and any
authority he has is 'self-appointed'. He is going to set his
sights
on me. I believe Mr. Reynolds is a disturbed individual and I
proffer
exerpts from various communications to illustrate a variety of
points.
Westbrook:
>I took our conversations out of the public forum because I
didn't want
>to be the cause of embarassment to you nor will I challenge you
in that
>forum.
Reynolds:
You are the one people think is crazy. My attention has brought
you credibility
you never had before.
Comment:
My Reynolds apparently believes he holds the keys to my
credibility.
A grandiose vision at best.
For The Record:
I write what I write. I offer my view, background, research, and
a platform
of logical thought. It will either stand or not based on its own
merits.
I don't care if anyone believes me or not. I do not make my
living with
ufos nor do I care to. It follows I have no profit motive. What
I do here,
I'm doing for free. My ego is large enough on its own what I do
not need
followers and discourage them. I am not the Messiah nor do I
care to be.
I'm one individual who sat down, researched these matters,
combined them
with logic and came to some reasonable conclusions.
Westbrook:
>I really don't think I have what you need or what you're
looking for.
Reynolds:
Such arrogance, what could I possibly need from you?
Comment:
I've attempted to disengage this fellow several times telling
him
that whatever he hoped to gain from conversation with me most
likely
was going to be forthcoming.
Westbrook:
>Your dialogue with me indicates a pervading belief that you are
not
>responsible for your own actions and if shit happens, someone
else (Bob) is
>to blame or is attacking you.
Reynolds:
The only shit I see is this "your crazy; you're emotionally
unstable; you must
be in need of serious psycho help; etc..." Such a gentleman you
are. This must
be how you greet the ladies too?
Comment:
During our conversations a theme became apparent. Mr. Reynolds
is a person
who believes miracles have been performed on him from on high,
but claims
to be an athiest. He claims to have regular conversations with
angels
AND THAT THEY'VE TOLD HIM I'M WRONG, several times.
Note:
In my book, during an abduction in 1973, I cite the presense of
the
only old Nordic I've ever seen AND I have seen a few over the
last
30 years. Reynold's asked me how I identified him as the 'Odin'
from
Norse mythology, a reasonable question. I gave him a thumb nail
response.
Westbrook:
>7. I concluded Odin from racial characteristic, scarring from
battles
> and the eye.
Reynolds:
I don't understand this. I am told by the Angels that Odin is
one of them
and that he is no longer in phyiscal form, he has already
ascended,
like Jesus. He is of special importance to me, I don't what yet,
but at the
mere mention of his name by the Angels, my body turns red and I
feel
like a furnace.
Comment:
As I can't meet with Mr. Reynold's angels, it is impossible to
discuss
'their' information. Yet, Mr. Reynold's expects me to and takes
some
exception when I don't validate his points of view.
Westbrook:
>12. You are incorrect, the rescue operation needs no funds.
Reynolds:
That is in direct conflict with what the Angels tell me. How do
you know this?
Now you are giving me the gospel without laying any foundation.
These aren't
my thoughts, I had no such thoughts before my rescue, so you
can't say I'm
not laying a foundation, I'm only stating what I have been
taught.
Someday, I will be given a Herculean task which will balance out
my negative
karma, and it invloves raising funds for this rescue mission; to
have a place
to gather all the Light Bearers where we can be safe. Building a
sanctuary
costs money. We can't just go meet in the park like Jesus did.
Comment:
Again we are back to Mr. Reynold's angels. He believes that God,
the
Nohsaimus, the angels or WHOEVER it is, is going to need the
money to
pull off the Rapture, which he refers to as a rescue operation.
He also has some very grandiose ideas of his own importance up
to, and
including, equating himself with Jesus. Atheism has taken some
turns
since I last read it's definition. I'm pretty big for my own
britches but I have to draw the line somewhere. The crux of his
motivation
for contacting me was to join WITH ME to perform this great
service
for mankind. I'm not interested in joining Mr. Reynolds for a
burger
and fries much less anything else.
Unfortunately, the people visiting this forum are now going to
be
subjected to a series of virulent and petty shots sent in my
direction.
I don't choose to be a part of it and will do my best to ignore
it.
Everyone else can take it for what it's worth.
People of good faith and inquiring minds come to places like
this to
grab a little bit of truth. Me, I get my truth where I find it
and I
assume everyone else is pretty much the same.
Unfortunately, this subject matter also attracts unstable
personalities
and sometimes mentally ill individuals who believe that anything
said
to them that does not conform with their self image or fantasies
is an assault on them, God or angels and they go ballastic when
confronted
with the opposing thought.
What can I do about it? Not much. I can be tolerant to a point
but when
it passes abuse - then it's not reasonable to sit still.
Bob
Message: #6782, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 4:42:07 PM
Subject: #6757-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (deletable)
John:
I read with interest your comments about me. I don't recall
we've
had any conversations, but I am decidedly uncomfortable having
Myke
represent me and your comments show a high degree of
misunderstandings.
The conversations here are serial in nature and if you've missed
something in the way of foundation, one would naturally assume
no
foundation.
However, as I've gone to the trouble of writing a book, and it
seems
clear you haven't read it, I'd refer you to the ufo section of
the
newage forum. The name of the piece is a Survivor's Guide to
Armageddon.
You'll find it well researched, foundational and logical. The
material
is built from historical fact.
At a certain point, I take that foundational material and apply
it to
my own experiences. The original premise is continually verified
over
a 6000 year period. It's really hard to find that kind of
foundation.
As for my religious views, I steadfastly stay away from the
subject
although I will use religious references for purposes of easy
identification on occasion.
As for being a CIA dupe..... it was good for a chuckle, thanks.
I too have had problems with Mykes beliefs, theories etc. He
seemed
inclined to 'take up my cause'. Unfortunately, I don't have one
so it leaves him rather unemployed in my case.
You say you're surprised that I have ALL THE ANSWERS with not
proof.
I don't have ALL the answers, but I do have a lot of them. My
proofs
are in the foundational material you need to read. If you
haven't
retrieved the background material, it would be a reasonable to
think
me an idiot.
As far a Judeo-Christian mythology. It is a good one because
it's so
well documented. However, if you're in search for the truth, you
will
find the same gigs played out with the Norse, Romans, Greeks,
Egyptians
Maya, Inca, Hopi, Navajo, and Hindu. Those are the cultures I
cross
referenced in my research. The names change, but the game is
always
the same. This is not a question of religion. In fact, I promote
that
religious systems were supplied to us as a diversion and control
mechanism to keep us focused OFF the Nordics.
Incidentally, I've never said there were 10 races. Whereever you
got
that quote from, it wasn't from anything I've written.
As far as Urantia material, matter of opinion. Caveat Emptor.
The Illuminati are Nordics - if you've read my material - they
aren't
my buddies by any stretch of the imagination. I was born with
two
testicles and due to their ineptness - I now have one. I'm not
the
forgiving type.
Bob
Message: #6771, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 3:23:14 PM
Subject: #6764-Myke Reynolds
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
I never claimed to be a sysop, and I told you very plainly that
I am not. Go
quote *that*.
I'm also not an atheist, where did you get that idea from? I was
once.
Message: #6809, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 8:04:27 PM
Subject: #6780-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
Re: The Cage (shield)
1. The fan is optional. When I first put the thing together, I
didn't
know if it was the current and it's related magnetic field
that
disrupted their beam OR the wire. I've since learned that it
is
the wire itself and the fan isn't necessary. HOWEVER, after I
put
this up, they made several full power runs on me one evening.
During the event, the wires got warm and the whole area
around the
bed heated up but that heat was localized to the bed. So, I
turned
the fan to face the bed and disapate the heat and then went
to bed
for the night flipping them off as I did with a big grin.
2. As a passive device, it will work as well but you have no way
to
get rid of the heat so you cook a little.
3. Sure there are other forms of abduction. If you're dumb
enough to
get out of the car and gawk at the ship - they're gonna bag
your hide.
However, if you ground the car, all that metal around you
will
act just like the shield. Your problem is having the presence
of
mind to get it grounded before you've been put to beddie bye.
The bulk of abduction activity occurs in the bedroom after
you've
gone to sleep. I can't think of a time when a person is more
vulnerable (except perhaps sitting on the John).
Bob
Message: #6817, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 8:20:31 PM
Subject: #6764-Myke Reynolds
From: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> Unfortunately, this subject matter also attracts unstable
personalities and sometimes mentally ill individuals who believe
that anything said to them that does not conform with their self
image or fantasies
is an assault on them, God or angels and they go ballastic when
confronted with the opposing thought. <<
I know a few individuals in this forum who go ballistic at the
mere suggestion that any viewpoint besides theirs can exist, and
odds are they don't even realize they're doing it. These people
don't sit down and say "well I disagree and here's why." More
like "you stupid, lost, assinine SOB, THIS is how it is..."
They seem to have THE answer for everything.
They won't know who they are because to the offending parties,
"it couldn't be ME."
But the rest of the forum has them pegged, I'm sure. They're
the ones who never ask any questions, they just shove their
beliefs down our throats and write long, long posts doing so to
just about everything talked about in this forum. All answers,
no questions. They know it all and are here to punish the rest
of us for NOT knowing.
I don't talk to them. It works for me.
-- Chris
Message: #6822, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 8:51:20 PM
Subject: #6809-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Betty and Barney Hill were taken from their cars. Anyone? Aren't
there lots
of cases of people being *taken* from their cars, without having
gotten out?
I know I've heard it enough times.
Myke
Message: #6810, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 8:06:22 PM
Subject: #6782-casting pearls
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (deletable)
Reply: #6823 (1 reply)
Bob,
I've read your *book*, the downloadable version. While I
constantly argue that it isn't nice to call people liars, I am
very cautious about *believing* your interpretation of this
phenomena.
While you have pointed out on many occasions that you keep
yourself *pure* by not reading other material, I am,
unfortunately, far less pure than you. I've read a huge copious
amount of material on these phenomena, and I find you voluminous
amounts of material in direct contradiction to yours. (Let me
re-iterate IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO YOUR THEORIES!!!)
So does that mean I'm calling you a liar? No, not really. I
grant your experiences are real to you, but I doubt they have
any affect on me, and very questionable existance in consensus
experential reality.
Regarding 10 aliens. Man, don't I find it amusing that you
would *correct me* on that. That was merely the point.
Virtually no evidence exists to support the concept of physical
alien entities that I can see. When I read your messages I feel
like I'm getting dragged into somebody's Alice and Wonderland
dreams, and your constant claims of *logic* completely and
utterly escape me.
Since you seem to be the only person in UFOolgy who knows that
there are actual individual alien races present, their purpose,
nature, thoughts, words and deeds, this makes you rather unique.
I guess I will have to stay in the Jacques Vallee camp of
saying "I have no ideal what's going on."
Bob, you are on record as having stated in this forum, as fact,
providing no qualifications to your statement, or *proof*, that
Bill and Hillary Clinton are abductees. This is just one
example of some of your highly questionable statements of
*fact*, and all proof is relagated to your supreme methods of
your *logic* and your *book* which uses similar assaults on the
concepts we usually refer to as rational thought.
I have tried to conduct some *logical* discourse myself in
SUPPORT of the UFO phenomena in this forum, against some
ill-informed skeptics. But I feel constantly undercut by
messages stating that *Nordics* and *Lizardmen* are after our
genetic goodies (this is one of your lovely terms) and Bill and
Hillary are abductees.
I am reacting somewhat in frustration by the wild speculation,
paranoia and rampant rumour that is occuring here. I'm ready to
join the George White and Jim Griebel fundemental materialist
camp at this point, if people can't hold some of their reckless
rhetoric in check.
John
Message: #6840, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 10:50:08 PM
Subject: #6810-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237 (deletable)
John:
In all the volumes of reading that you find in direct
contradiction to
my own did you ever do any of the following.
1. Go on board an alien craft.
2. Be an abductee.
3. Lose a body part to their incompetence.
4. Do battle with them physically.
5. Kill any of them.
6. Learn anything directly from them.
7. Have any one on one personal interactions with them?
If the answer is no, then you must admit as a point of logic
that you
have no relative placement to make any valid judgement. Further,
of
the volumes of reading you have done. 1. Most of these books are
3rd
person accounts of someone else's experience. With me you get a
1st
person account. 2. I am not offering theories for the most part.
Instead, I proffer inference and deduction based upon the sound
principles of
logic. All of which would be acceptable in a court of law.
Query - would your books pass the test of admissability? As they
aren't here and would be ruled as hearsay - your unstated
evidence lacks the
foundation for introduction as evidence.
My experiences aren't supposed to have an affect on you. In
fact, if they
do - I don't get anything for it, and if they don't - I get the
same thing. It follows that lacking an incentive to the
contrary, I couldn't give a rat's patooty what you believe one
way or another. NOR AM I
trying to intrude myself into your beliefs. 'It's No My Job
Mon'.
You state that no evidence of alien life exists THAT YOU CAN
SEE. That's
the rub isn't it? You can't see it. Well, I can't help you there
but
I could get you into a position to be abducted. Are you willing
to pay
the price for your knowledge? I did - but then - I wasn't give a
choice
was I. I was 7 when they first started bagging me.
If you feel like the material insults your intelligence, then
what the
hell are you doing here? Not logical friend. I make no CLAIM of
logic.
I establish a premise, present supporting fact, then infer and
deduce
material that just happens to support and prove the premise.
That IS
logic and is self evident to anyone who understands how the
process
works. On the rare occasions that I do make speculations, in my
book,
I usually label as such. Neat that I know the difference huh?
Also, I am not in UFOLOGY and have a sizeable contempt for many
of those who are. I'm a professional investigator who derives
his living from using his logic. Also, I am not unique - many
other people have seen
Nordics, hybrids, Browns and Grays. I, however, seem to be the
only one I know who has seen a Red. That does bother me a bit -
but I can live with it.
You're right - I don't detract from a statement by using
qualifiers.
I say it like it is. If you don't like it - what can I do.
However,
you again are wrong when you state that I have not offered
foundation
for my statement that Clinton and Hillary are abductees.
In my book and in the Newage forum I stated that in 1973, during
an abduction, I was taken into a Nordic learning center and
given 30 years
of advance information - programmed visually into my head. The
members
of that forum said - put up or shut up. I did, Predicting an
earthquake
in Los Angeles - three hours before it hit on the same day I
posted the
material here on cis. Guess what - I didn't have to shut up and
my
critics did. The point, is there is proof that what I say to the
existence of the data provided me is accurate and stood the
test. Now
I move into an area like Clinton. You can choose to 'believe'
what you like, however, I did make the showing of proof.
So you say - "Ah it was a lucky guess or They have earthquakes
in L.A.
all the time." To wit I say," Good - you do it and I'll verify
it with
Cal Tech Seismic". It does put a different edge on it doesn't
it.
I'd like to point out that logic is the basis of rational
thought. If
you believe otherwise, then your thought processes are
illogical, and
it follows, irrational. You have yet to make any showing of
proof other
than your 'belief's that mine are also.
I've never seen an lizardmen and have never written a word about
it.
Your statement is inaccurate and, I think, deliberately
misleading so
as to attempt to make me a point of ridicule. It follows, that
as there
in no accuracy to your statement that the statement is
irrational. Further, if one would follow the train of logical
thought, when a statement is deliberately irrational, the source
of that is usually emotional. Therefore, logic dictates that
your true purpose here is not intellectual but emotional. This
would seem to undercut your statements that you have tried to
conduct some 'logical' discourse. In fact, the evidence is to
the contrary and I find myself forced to agree with
Chris that your intents are irrational and demonstrably
destructive.
oooooooooo - Spock, how do I love thee, let me count the ways
......
I'm on a roll here guys.
Your threats that your going to join some people in a different
camp
is hardly relevant to the conversation. Essentially you are
saying that
unless the people here pucker up and give your backside some
respect,
you're going to take your football and go home. We have returned
to
the emotional, not the logical and I submit sir, that if you
find your
needs are being met here, there may be a psychology forum
somewhere in
cis wherein you could get the attention you wish. If not, a dog
can
make a nice friend.
Bob
of
Message: #6839, S/3 Abductions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 10:49:15 PM
Subject: #6825-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert L. Anello 73144,1445
Robert:
To answer your question. Why not have Westbrook disconnect it?
Westbrook is not programable. Also, it is not just ME they are
afraid
of. They will not enter the house while any living creature
capable
of inflicting injury on them is awake. I deduced that fact from
conversations with abductees here on cis AND my own experience.
It also
points to technical limitations as well.
Re: UB mental functions. I believe it operates in the Theta Band
and
is functional over very short distances. Abductees state
communications
are mental. As they communicate with us, it is a point of
commonality
between the structures of our brains and theirs. This put's us
into
3 basic band waves. Alpha, Theta and Delta. Of the three, Theta
is the
one that would best serve mental communication. We also have no
technology that will block a Theta wave transmission. So, my
cage will
not stop mind to mind contact. However, it's not your mind their
after,
but your gonads.
The point of the cage is to keep the sedating beam off you so
that you
do not slip below normal sleep in their lobotomized version of
sleep
wherein you are totally incapacitated. If you are not in that
state,
they won't bag you as you can unexpectedly become aware and
dangerous.
The cage also disrupts the white tractor beam used to haul you
out.
So you score safe on two points. The cage will not stop
involuntary
obe. However, as they are rarely interested in talking to us,
it's
an academic point. The family jewels are safe.
My post hypnotic suggestion to go ballastic was my idea. And I
did it
to reinforce what I was already doing - killing Grays. It was
not
a new behavior - but one that I developed on my own and
strengthened.
I agree, and have been saying for some time, these people have
limitations. However, don't think they don't know us. They do,
every
crack and crevase.
Message: #6863, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:58:28 AM
Subject: #6718-Catch a Gray ?
From: Michael Lee Finney 71573,1075
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Reply: #6900 (1 reply)
Bob,
Don't be evasive or I will have to come through this screen
and spank you. I will get back to you when I know more of your
story, someone sent me a copy of some of your material.
Later
Barb
Message: #6861, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:44:06 AM
Subject: #6839-Catch a Gray ?
From: Robert L. Anello 73144,1445
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #6870 (1 reply)
Bob,
>> Re: UB mental functions. I believe it operates in the Theta
Band and
is functional over very short distances. <<
Ah ha, this was one answer I was looking for! This does indeed
support the reports that mindscan is performed with close
eye-to-eye contact (on board ship) and that abductees who were
"directed" to shut of video cameras recollect that the UBs were
only a few away.
>> So, my cage will not stop mind to mind contact. << This
confirms Myke's suspicion and zaps my idea that their mental
functions were also EM based.
>> My post hypnotic suggestion to go ballastic was my idea. <<
Apparently I had misunderstood this before and thought a friend
did this to you.
>> However, don't think they don't know us. They do, every
crack and crevase. <<
They do ask some very odd questions of abductees but I guess
its part of the mind game they play. In fact some have been
asked to point to the part of the body that contains the soul!
I know your opinion on this issue so you don't have to explain.
(soul-less S.O.B.S)!!
Its obvious from all accounts that they are very predictable in
following procedures and the sequence of their actions very
rarely changes. But with that hive intellect, I would think we
humans are very unpredictable to them as we all are quite
different from each other. For this reason I tossed up the
question about whether or not they really know us. Yes, I know
you believe their scheme has been orchestrated for thousands of
years and they've had this long-time "practice" to know
everything about us. But......hasn't there been any time in
your opinion that we humans collectively have been so
unpredictable that we've thrown a monkey-wrench into their
plans?
P.S. For the benefit of other people who may be reading this,
let me remind them that you are not the only person who has
broken away while on-board. Others have done similar things and
have been "nabbed" rather quickly! Therefore, if individual
humans can temporarily cause some chaos for them, what's the
potential for us humans to collectively throw the monkey-wrench
at them?
Regards,
Bob
Message: #6870, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 2:24:15 AM
Subject: #6861-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert L. Anello 73144,1445 (received)
Robert:
Yes, eye to eye contact is how they establish the link, however,
with a particularly susceptible abductee, it can be done just by
proximate thinking. Grays do it all the time.
An antenna for Theta Band would be as large as the midwest to be
even slightly workable.
I'm aware of the soul question. Indeed I do know of the
existence of
the soul. It is the repository for all higher emotion. Lower
emotions,
like fear, survival instincts etc are biological, but the soul
covers
all the ground that makes life worth living - love etc.
They are very curious on the subject and can not understand that
we
exist within our souls not with the soul in us.
Indeed we can monkey wrench their plans. But first about the
hive.
The Grays have a hive mentality and must stay within it. The
Nordics
and Hybrids can connect to the hive, but it's optional. They are
allowed
a degree of independant thought. I've state before that the
little Grays
have IQ's of about 80. Very dumb and the screw up frequently.
However,
like a retarded human, they can be trained to perform limited
functions
AND they do so by rote. The same way all the time.
Any culture dependant upon it's technology accepts, as a trade
off,
the limitations of those tools. Car's don't fly, planes aren't
used
as boats etc. Their tech toys show obvious limitations. The cage
is
a simple (very simple) exploitation of one of their weaknesses.
I'd very much like to run into an electrowiz who could device
switches
to activate recording devices based on the material I've
discovered.
However, I have a real sneaking suspicion that the lid is going
to
be blown off the ufo question in the near future and that their
'existence' is no longer going to be a subject of debate.
With regards to my hypnosis. I prefer to call it a 'time bomb'
set to
explode in their faces. Each time mine went off, they couldn't
get me
outta there fast enough. "He's loose - get him outta here". The
immortal thoughts of the last Gray I mangled.
Bob
Message: #6850, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 1994 11:47:23 PM
Subject: #6840-casting pearls
From: John W. Ratcliff 70253,3237
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received) (deletable)
Reply: #6858 (1 reply)
See Bob,
That was a real detailed explanation. Thank you.
I guess I'm just persnikity, but the statment:
"Bill and Hillary are abductees."
and the statement
"During an abduction, I was taken into a Nordic learning center
and given 30 years
of advance information - programmed visually into my head, which
included information suggesting Bill and Hillary were abuctees."
are quite a bit different.
I like the second statement MUCH better. It contains MUCH more
information to work from. Now I understand the context of this
little info-data-item. Of course this does raise tons more
questions, regarding the relative *reality* of your experience,
and I hardly see the logic that states that because a psychic
prediction was true, 100% of all of your views and perceptions
regarding this phenomena must be true as well.
Bob, let me be a bit more gracious here. Your world-view is so
millions of bazillions of light years away from mine, I don't
think we are ever going to find any middle ground in which to
have discourse.
If Armageddon comes, and unfolds exactly according to your
predictions, you have my complete and utter permission to gloat
"I told you so" as the Norics drag me off to their labor camp.
Meanwhile, I'll just sit on the old Carl Jung collective
unconsious fence or the Henry P. Stapp conscious universe curb
or the Neitche existentialist dreamland or the Sethian personal
reality model. They are all much more comfortable
religous/philosophical standpoints as far as I'm concerned and
offer equal dashes of proof and logic to support them.
John
Message: #6869, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 2:24:04 AM
Subject: #6858-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740 (received)
Reply: #6885 (2 replies)
Myke:
Again you apparently haven't read the material. I have said MORE
THAN ONCE, I am not looking to convert anyone to anything. As
far as being
self righteous, I suppose that is in the eye of the beholder. It
isn't
a descriptor I, however, accept as valid. If you feel my tone is
condescending, the question becomes, "Who owns the problem".
I like me, I'm comfortable with me and have no reason to wish to
change
the way I behave. If you, on the other hand, are uncomfortable
with me, and don't like the way I behave then the problem rests
with the person having it. As I'm not going to alter my
personality or presentation to suit you - you need to find a way
to deal with your reactions. It's not within the scope of my
ability to effect you one way or the other. These things are all
choices - your choices.
Message: #6885, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 4:24:11 AM
Subject: #6869-casting pearls
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
|Myke:
|
|Again you apparently haven't read the material. I have said
MORE THAN ONCE, I
|am not looking to convert anyone to anything. As far as being
-------
|self righteous, I suppose that is in the eye of the beholder.
It isn't
--------------
|a descriptor I, however, accept as valid. If you feel my tone
is
|condescending, the question becomes, "Who owns the problem".
-------------
The message of mine you are refering to was to John, not you
Bob.
Myke
Message: #6896, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 8:05:09 AM
Subject: #6869-casting pearls
From: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> It's not within the scope of my ability to affect you one
way or the other. These things are all choices - your choices.
<<
Of course you realize, with this [very accurate, IMHO]
statement, you are threatening the very foundations of the
Democratic party and the liberal left. To wit: "I am not
accountable for me! The ENVIRONMENT is! (Meaning....YOU ARE!)"
But that's not what we're here to talk about.
-- Chris
Message: #6917, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 10:28:24 AM
Subject: #6809-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
I have a few other questions, but don't forget that I'll post a
reference that seems to support your contentions - bizarre as
this all may seem to anyone not familiar with the documentation.
Firstly, have you ever seen these creatures and if so has it
ever been in the company of others i.e. are there witnesses.
Next, how can you be sure it's aliens that are effecting the
cage and *not* some other type of EM transmission. You might be
in an intermittent hot spot.
Thirdly, how does one ground a car when the tires insulate it?
(earth ground). I'm not really familiar with the physics of a F
cage but does a chasis ground work or does the thing have to be
connected to the earth? (I think F cages are attached to earth
ground)
Message: #6941, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:36:11 PM
Subject: #6900-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
Re: Being Spanked by a Barbie Doll
I'm short, cute and blissfully divorced
Bob
Message: #6940, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:36:10 PM
Subject: #6917-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
Re: Witnesses
I depends on what you'd qualify as a witness. My partner in
crime and
her husband were abducted simultaneously with me. They are 3000
miles
from where I live. They were beaten about the legs while I was
held
and forced to watch. The next morning, we got on the phone and
discussed
our mutual memories. Incidentally, they both at severe bruising
and
sore legs.
Incidentally, the bad guys didn't get the info they wanted from
any of
us. We all have classic type A bad attitudes and don't respond
well to
coersion.
Well, the night I put it up, my Grayish keeper got aggravated,
cussed
at me, stomped on the floor, and went around the house slamming
cabinet
doors and doors. That cinched it for me. It would have to be a
hell of
a hot spot to do all this.
Re: Grounding a Car.
Drop a wire out the window and attach it to the metal. Result =
grounded car.
Bob
Message: #6939, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:36:05 PM
Subject: #6918-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Robert:
No, as I'm on the ground level, it is pointless securing the
flooring.
There's no way they can get the angle to shoot the beam in.
Also,
while the cage can not prevent obe's (voluntary or otherwise) it
can
keep a gray from crossing the wire while he is phased. He'd
have to
go 3D to physically move the wires and run the risk of being
injured.
Bob
Message: #6943, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:36:14 PM
Subject: #6885-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke:
Re: Wrong message
Sorry 'bout that
Bob
Message: #6942, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:36:13 PM
Subject: #6896-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
Chris:
Re: Democrats.
Sorry, I'm not willing to get the lobotomy necessary to be a
card carrying liberal. Dittos.
Message: #6938, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 1:36:03 PM
Subject: #6923-casting pearls
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Randall Reeder 76050,3015
To Randy (Awake in Seattle)
Bingo !!!
You got it.
Bob
Message: #6967, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 3:37:07 PM
Subject: #6940-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
So you have some coroboration then.
Yes I know how to ground a car in theory but in practice not
everyone carries wire around with them. Then again I guess you
can always just crash into a metal pole. That should work. Also,
I'm not entirely sure if just laying a wire on the ground would
actually make a good ground connection. The National Electrical
Code wants home grounding electrodes fairly deep and spread out.
But they're over cautious anyway I suppose.
You mentioned that you're on the ground floor. Is it cement or
wood? Have you tested the cage to see if it's actually earth
grounded? i.e. take a light bulb tester and attach one side to
hot and the other to the cage. The bulb should light. Does it?
The reason I'm asking is that the theory makes a big difference
if we really are dealing with EM beings.
Message: #6966, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 3:37:03 PM
Subject: #6939-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
So I'm assuming then that they have to shoot from the craft? One
thing though is that a 4D being shouldn't have much trouble
approaching the cage from underneath. In the way I'm thinking of
4D space anyway.
I'm not saying the cage would prevent an OBE. I'm saying it
could conceivably prevent the astral body from crossing it if
the consistancy of the body was heavy enough.
Message: #6983, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 5:10:17 PM
Subject: #6941-Catch a Gray ?
From: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> I'm short, cute and blissfully divorced
Well don't tell me! Tell Barbie Doll!!!
(Hey Barb, are you taking all this in??)
-- Chris
Message: #6984, S/12 General Discussions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 5:10:18 PM
Subject: #6942-casting pearls
From: Chris Malcheski 71232,360
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
>> Sorry, I'm not willing to get the lobotomy necessary to be a
card carrying liberal. Dittos.
Even as we speak, I'm proudly wearing my t-shirt purchased at
Dan's Bake Sale. Dittos back!
-- Chris
Message: #269071, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 7:59:06 PM
Subject: #268936-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Dean Miller 75110,3417 (received)
Dean:
As far as I'm concerned, they can abduct my psychic a$$ anytime.
Just leave my gonads alone.
Bob
Message: #7027, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 10:52:07 PM
Subject: #6764-Myke Reynolds
From: Kirsten 73021,2047
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #7031 (1 reply)
Bob,
Take it all for what it's worth to you. Personally, I have
nothing against Myke, and I take his opinions for what they
are...his. I used to let them get to me, but not anymore.
Someone has to draw the line, and it might as well be you (or me
for that matter). If you are happy with your ideas, good for
you. I am also happy with mine. Until certain people learn to
accept the opinions of others and treat them with respect, just
keep on deleatin' those messages!!! Works for me!! (G)
Best wishes,
Kirsten
Message: #7031, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 1:22:15 AM
Subject: #7027-Myke Reynolds
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Kirsten 73021,2047
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Bob
Message: #7000, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 7:47:26 PM
Subject: #6967-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
It's axiomatic that when your neck deep and shoveling as fast as
you
can that you don't stop to call OSHA. U know, any port in a
storm. If
I had to, I'd take a leak to ground it out. Wouldn't do a lot
for my
leaker though.
Re: Grounding
I'm trusting that the third pin of the wire (the ground)
actually does
what it's supposed to. So far so good.
Message: #7040, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 6:26:08 AM
Subject: #6940-Catch a Gray ?
From: Robert Thrift 75545,1710
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>>My partner in crime and her husband were abducted
simultaneously with me. They are 3000 miles from where I live.<<
This little observation raises a question which has not been
adequately addressed, IMO, by most writers on ufology. If I
read it correctly, you are saying that you and the other pair
met for the first time during an abduction, and that you were
picked up simultaneously, or nearly so, from locations 3000
miles apart.
The usual picture most people have of the abduction scenario is
one of a UFO hovering somewhere, high or low, in the vicinity of
the abduction. You describe a situation where that picture does
not fit.
There are other instances recorded in which a group of people
were abducted from widely separated points. Like, for instance,
the American woman who was returned home wearing the wrong
T-shirt. It had Japanese writing on it.
How is this accomplished? People could get picked up locally by
a UFO and then taken to some central location. Or else the
USOBs are able to sit in a central location and pick up
individuals from points thousands of miles apart. This would
imply incredibly precise control and selectivity. Do you have
any abduction memories that would allow you to shed any light on
this?
Best regards. --RLT
Message: #7001, S/3 Abductions
Date: Wed, Aug 3, 1994 7:47:30 PM
Subject: #6966-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank
I can't speak to the astral body. However, the ship has to be in
line
of sight for the tractor beam to work. They haul you out with
that
beam. Therefore, it is irrelevent if a 4D being could go thru
the
walls or the floor (they do). But if they can't get that beam to
levitate your carcass, it's all academic.
Second scenario, the sedate you, Grays pick u up and haul you to
where
they can get the beam into the room. Same deal. They have to
drop
their shields to get thru the wire - ie: risk of injury.
Unless the can get a light beam to shoot around corners (and
they can't)
it doesn't make any difference if they come from above, the
sides or
underneath. They have to work within the limitations of their
technology.
Message: #7055, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 10:43:08 AM
Subject: #7000-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #7062 (1 reply)
Re: grounding. Is it plugged into the wall socket? Again I'm
real curious to establish whether or not this is an earth ground
or not.
Message: #7062, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 11:40:12 AM
Subject: #7055-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
Yes, plugged into a socket.
Bob
Message: #7063, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 11:40:14 AM
Subject: #7040-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Robert Thrift 75545,1710
Robert:
I can't speak to the woman with the Japanese T Shirt, but we
were
picked up by different ships and transfered to a 3rd where we
were all
together. The Grays did transport, the perps were Hybrids.
No they don't have a 'Beam me up scotty' transporter.
Bob
Message: #7056, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 10:43:14 AM
Subject: #7001-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #7061 (1 reply)
The problem I have with this is that any 4D creature could
easily penetrate into 3D space from any side. So they'd easily
be able to come from under the bed unless there's something in
their technology that isn't 4D. The question would then be is
the laser or whatever 3D or 4D? I think that in all of the
studies I've seen the beam does in fact work the way you'd
suppose a physical craft would work.
Hmmm this is weird. Again, there's only so far that supposition
will go with little actual facts. I have no doubt at all that an
astral being could go right under the bed. So could any other 4D
being. The problem may be in any technology that materializes a
4D being into 3D space. Geez that's outta my league. I've read
about dimensional analogies in at least a few books. A very
simple analogy would be to compare 1D to 2D space, then 2D to 3D
space, then 3D to 4D space.. Looking at 2Dto3D a being going
down to 2D space can perform all sorts of magic on a 2D being.
He could reach into the 2D's square box from a side that the 2D
being doesn't even suspect is there! Extrapolate that up to 4D
space and you'll see why I think a 4D being could run circles
around us. Reaching "around" a F cage shouldn't be that
difficult. The problem of course is again how are the 2
different spaces meeting up?
Message: #7061, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 11:40:11 AM
Subject: #7056-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
I think you're confused because you're making it more difficult
(conceptually) than it really is. 4d light? Energy is energy. So
it
makes no difference as to dimension. That is an aspect of its
use,
not its nature.
Re: coming thru the floor.
Ok, Gray #1 comes thru the floor. How is he going to get your 3d
carcass
out?
Answer: They open the 4d door and put you on the tractor beam
and up
you go.
The door way must be shot against a 3D surface like an interior
wall
for it to work. Therefore, it is a combination of 4D physics
using
light (energy) and a 3D element (wall) that = doorway. Light
travels
in a straight line. Therefore, unless the ship is under
thehouse,
they won't be taking you out via that route.
Bob
Message: #7070, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 12:30:15 PM
Subject: #7062-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Then it's earth grounded. Is there a current flowing? If so this
is more in keeping with the problems Monroe encountered when he
got near high voltage wires. In fact they may not have even been
high voltage. I'll look this up now......
Message: #7069, S/3 Abductions
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 12:30:13 PM
Subject: #7061-Catch a Gray ?
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
He might be able to materialize inside the cage with a smaller
version of the.... whatever it is that paralyzes you. You'd
think that they could knock you out and then physically drag you
out of the cage.
>> Energy is Energy
Yeah. That's why your cage set up bothers me. They've figured
out how to either travel FTL and/or made a dimensional shift and
yet they cannot unplug an extension cord? I'm trying very hard
not to burst at the seams from laughing and won't do so only
because I very well understand the seriousness of the situation
having encountered it in many others. But you'll have to admit
these appear to be the dumbest advanced ET's around. Which again
leads me to think that we may simply be dealing with high-tech
demons or rather demons that have turned high tech. Who said a
devil is constrained to having pitchforks and horns anyway?
Maybe they've traded them in for flying saucers!
Message: #269425, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 1:19:08 PM
Subject: Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Hardy Rupp 100336,255
To: westbrook 71705,262
heyNow, westbrook!
having kept my mouth short for a long time reading all (!) of
your messages, today i can't hold no longer. it's just because i
saw bill clinton (the "willing pimp", as you call him) on cnn
talking 'bout health insurance'n' stuff, and then i re-read your
messages.
for me, as a german, the discussion about health care seems
ridiculous. for us it's one of the most normal things that every
citizen in this country has this security. this assurance-
system was introduced by BISMARCK! but, i'm shure, even he was a
liberal in your opinion
sorry, but your argumentation on that point has a smell of an
evil conspiracy as everything you write. everywhere are people
'selling their souls to the devil' - the devil???? yeah, that's
your theme, and that's why i read your messages, i love to see
your personal fears, but - i don't share them. it's just your
private hell, enjoy it!
>> Any, in depth investigation by an objective party will reveal
a pattern ...
objective? please, westbrook, you're verything, but OBJECTIVE
?????? if someone objective reads your messages he'll have as
much fun on them as i have .
>> The liberal press, not only hides and conceals these things
from the public ...
oops, and i believed america had a conservative majority 'till
1992. but i'm shure, ronny was a liberal too in your opinion ...
please, westbrook, check out for reality. the word 'liberal'
seems to have a bad smell to you americans, for us 'liberal'
stands for protecting the civil rights. the conservatives & the
social-democrats are both everytime willing to cut off my rights
to regulate something for me that i don't want to be regulated.
okay, enough words. you're a curious guy, and i look forward to
your next postings on every conspiracy-theme you may find. as i
said, i love your stuff, but believe in you????
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
having fun on it? YEAH!
one love
hardy
Message: #269507, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 5:03:28 PM
Subject: #269071-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Dean Miller 75110,3417
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
I said "reasonable percentage". I certainly think your
abductions were physical. However, the characteristics of
abductions reported by many others seem to be more of an OBE
nature.
Dean
Message: #269514, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 5:22:17 PM
Subject: #269425-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Hardy Rupp 100336,255
Hardy:
Every American has a constitutional guarantee to the rights of
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. It does not
guarantee
a definition that happiness is that which can be bought with
money
other than your own. It assumes you will work for your own keep
and
pay your way. Your country's socialized medical schemes do not
fit
well with the American psyche. It rewards non-producers at the
expense
of those who do produce and provides incentives to be a
non-producer
just as our welfare schemes have here. You neglect to mention
the
high unemployment rate and fiscal turmoil that your country
suffers
from this and other related projects. Nor do you comment on the
fact
that German's fiscal health relates directly to it's American
market
place. In financial circles there's a saying. If American
catches cold,
Europe gets pnemonia.
I have never proposed that people can sell their souls to the
devil.
If you wish to quote me - please do it accurately. As a German,
you
can appreciate a desire for precision.
Your facts are wrong. America has not had a conservative
majority in Congress for over 40 years. There are two things
American liberals do. They raise taxes and legislate away your
freedoms. American conservatives have never done this.
The policies of liberal governments (who protect your civil
rights as you say) also get the money out of someone else's
pocket to give to you.
This eventually destroys governments and civilizations.
As for me being fearful. I am not. In fact, I am the most
fearless person I know. Your attempts at ridicule sir, are
juvenile and sophomoric at best. Like a good liberal, you base
your arguement upon false, misleading, or inaccurate
information.
The point of this forum, however, is ufos. If you've been
reading my work and, in particular, the descriptions of Nordics,
you will not the common
Aryan elements in their appearance. Is it ironic that a
sociopathic
government developed in your country espousing a philosophy that
so
closely resembles the practices of our ufo Nordics? Is it
coincidental
that Nordics hold human life in high disregard and this past
German regime turned Europe into a graveyard generating over 40
million dead?
The Third Reich operated under a variant of a liberal agenda.
Take from the Jews and give to someone else. The idea being that
Jews were bad guys and rich and the average poor German suffered
from their contrivances.
In a lesser extreme we do the same thing here. Victimizing the
rich (defined by Clinton in the 35,000.00 per year bracket) for
the benefit of the poor (those who have babies they can't afford
to support).
This same scenario reappears throughout the histories of various
countries which, incidentally, no longer exist.
Bob
Message: #269667, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 11:15:30 PM
Subject: #269514-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Peter Partridge/UFOLOGY 70762,1512
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #269686 (1 reply)
To Hardy and Bob,
If you guys want to debate societal politics, go email. If you
want to score points on each other go games. If you want to
discuss Ufology, please do so with civility if not mutual
respect.
While the discussion of Nordics is topical, the comparison of
them to Third Reich Aryan stereotypes is insensitive and
insulting as well as inflaming. If you want to re-fight the war,
go elsewhere.
If you have any regard at all for the people paying to download
and read this section, discuss Ufology.
Thanks.
Pete
Message: #269686, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 12:23:23 AM
Subject: #269667-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Peter Partridge/UFOLOGY 70762,1512
Ah......
The thought police speak.....
Message: #7097, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 6:31:12 PM
Subject: #6941-Catch a Gray ?
From: Michael Lee Finney 71573,1075
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
HOw cute are you?
Single women want to know.
Barb
Message: #7131, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 1994 11:05:09 PM
Subject: #7031-Myke Reynolds
From: Kirsten 73021,2047
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
You're welcome.
Kirsten
Message: #269799, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 11:14:24 AM
Subject: #269514-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Hardy Rupp 100336,255
To: westbrook 71705,262
hi!
i was shure, you're answer would be SERIOUS. i hoped to get a
little smile in your face . don't feel bad treated by my
rough letter, as i said, i love your stuff, as one color in the
bride colorbox of life ...
>> American has a constitutional guarantee to the rights of
>> Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
i know. this garantees you to have the right to posess a weapon.
as i heard this right made los angeles a very dangerous place
>> It assumes you will work for your own keep and pay your way.
yeah, and if you don't have the money to pay medicine support,
you have the right to be dead or ruined ...
>> Your country's socialized medical schemes do not fit well
with the American psyche.
america, i think, is a big place with many people with another
'psyche'. i suppose you meant the psyche of a "good american"
>> You neglect to mention the high unemployment rate and fiscal
turmoil
>> that your country suffers from this and other related
projects.
right. but the reasons for that are more to find in the believe
of our (conservative) chancellor kohl in spending money he
doesn't have. my children & their children will pay for that.
not a question of our social sytem ... the normal people doesn't
have anything from that, but those who are cold blooded have now
their chance to grab their part ...
>> I have never proposed that people can sell their souls to the
devil.
oops, i never thought you 'propose' that, i understood you well
that you suppose that some popoular people (hollywood guys, all
the liberals etc.) had done that in making a "deal" with the
nordics, right?.
>> There are two things American liberals do. They raise taxes
and legislate
>> away your freedoms. American conservatives have never done
this.
like the politicians in the GDR. there were no taxes at all .
but i suppose, that's not your ideal ...
>> This eventually destroys governments and civilizations.
no, i think that a loss of perspective destroys it. as you know,
we got a problem with 'skinheads' here. these guys have no
ideals, no education, no job. the same as your street gangs.
this loss of respect against the community they're living in
will destroy our countries in the near future. politicians will
never do that 'cos that will make them loose their jobs ...
>> As for me being fearful. I am not. In fact, I am the most
fearless person I know.
i know, you've constructed a wonderfull wooden box to hide in,
when nordics are on the run ...
----------------------------------- enough of that, it's
interesting but ....
>> The point of this forum, however, is ufos.
right. and that's why i'm here, listening to all of you,
interested in everything, open-hearted even for strange visions,
as yours is ...
>> The Third Reich operated under a variant of a liberal agenda.
'variant of a liberal agenda' ?????? please, westbrook, anything
else but this!
the time of the "weimarer republik" (198-1932) was beside the
french revolution in 1792 my favourite themes when i studied
history in university. the stuff i was searching for, was
conspiracy, illuminati!, rosecrucians and the thule. there's a
book "before hitler came" (released only one time in 1932) by
freiherr rudolf von sebottendorf, the founder of the thule in
munich in 1915, in which he claims to be the creator of the
"phenomenon hitler". check out for this, westbrook, and you'll
see that the whole nazi thing isn't a political movement at all,
it's an occult religion, founded in the the believes of the
"german order" and the writings of a guy named lanz von
liebenfels, the journal "ostara". if you got the time & the
chance to read this book you'll be very suprised finding very
familiar themes ...
on the ufo theme: yeah, westbrook, that's what we're talking
about, but if i look at the "market" of theories, yours is
unique. there are many believing them as friends, time
travellers, superior beeings, military hoaxes etc. you,
westbrook, see them as enemies. if they're really enemies, we're
simply lost, no chance ...
but, that seems to me a very humanoid point of view. i prefer
seeing us like 'star seed', watched by our fathers or brothers,
and i really can't believe they're as stupid & primitive as we
humans are. but even that's a very 'material' POV and i'm shure
that the whole thing is more complexe we can imagine. all our
tries to explain the phenomenon are like children talking about
einstein's theories.
some of the folks in here try to look forward in developping
'new' ideas. yours seems to look backward, enemies everywhere.
in times like ours we see the results of this in yougoslavia.
they kill each other just because of the past.
ooops, so much words ... pardon me for taking your time, but as
i said, i really enjoy your writings (there are none of your
books translated in german, as far as i can see, so i only know
your threads).
stay in good humour, w.
one love
hardy
In a lesser extreme we do the same thing here. Victimizing the
rich (defined by Clinton in the 35,000.00 per year bracket) for
the benefit of the poor (those who have babies they can't afford
to support).
This same scenario reappears throughout the histories of various
countries which, incidentally, no longer exist.
Bob
Message: #7159, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 10:57:19 AM
Subject: F cage Confirmed!!
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob,
I've confimed your Faraday cage experiment! This is extremely
important because for the first time I have some tangible
correlations to my hypothesis that UFO abductions are probably
astral phenomena. Look at this entry from Bob Monroe:
7/7/60 Afternoon
This was an experiment I don't want to try again. I was in the
charged Farady cage (copper screen mesh, above ground, D.C.
charge 50kv). I attempted to move through the cage. I got out of
the physical OK, then I seemed to be entangled in a large bag
made of flexible wire. The bag gave when I pushed against it,
but I couldn't go through it. I struggled like a trapped animal
in a snare, and finally went back into the physical. In thinking
it over, quite evidently it was not the wire itself, but the
electrical field pattern set up in fundamentally the same shape
as the cage, but more flexible. Maybe this could be the basis
for a "ghost catcher!"" 'Journeys Out of The Body', P. 174
Softcover Edition
Then in another incident Monroe got attracted to some high power
wires when attempting to go somewhere else.
10/30/60
...........I looked up at the approx position I had been over
the sidewalk, and got a suprise. At just about the exact height
I had floated over the sidewalk were power primaries containing
fairly high voltage electrical current. Do electrical fields
attract this second body? Is this the medium through it travels?
IBID P. 175
Now, this is probably the most important correlation I've made
to date Bob. If your abductions have stopped, then are you still
gonna try and tell me we're dealing with ET's OR astral beings?
Look, I don't know for sure. They could be physical ET's that
are using the astral to travel through. But it doesn't look that
way at all. In all of the documentation in the astral
literature, the astral denizens aren't always "advanced" as
compared to us. Sometimes the opposite is true. Or sometimes
they're just a little ahead. As I said these appear at times to
be dumb advanced ET's. On top of all that every time I read an
abduction account I could just as well be reading an OBE
account!
I hope to god someone sees the significance of what we've just
uncovered here. Your ET stopper probably works and was
"confirmed" (albeit subjectively) in an experiment done 34 years
ago! The only real question is are they erally ET's or something
else.
I need to know a few other things. Is there a current flowing?
And I'll assume it's 120V AC?
I probably won't be in touch until Mon.
Message: #269955, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 6:04:19 PM
Subject: #269799-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Hardy Rupp 100336,255
Hardy:
No, if you don't have the money, you can get free medical care
at the
tax payers expense. We don't let people die. However, they go to
a public
hospital where the standard of care is considerably less than a
private
facility. Ie: Government does not run good hospitals. Adequate,
sure,
but good is a different matter.
No, I didn't mean 'good American'. There are many of us who
don't think
the world owes us anything. We expect the government to provide
an
equal chance through the equal enforcement of laws. The rest,
we're willing to work for.
Your comment, about the rich getting richer, is the same tripe
used
to generate class division here. It is the chant of the liberal
to divide the country into special interest groups and then set
them fighting with each other for their chance to feed at the
public trough. You illustrate my point well.
We expect government to perform the functions necessary to make
us
unified and viable. That requires taxation. I have no gripe
with contributing my share to the common good.
I don't think Germany's Neo-Nazi groups will be the threat
Hitler and
his brown shirts were in the past. Yet, they promote the same
agenda.
My box isn't wooden. And I do not use it out of fear, but common
sense.
Having been an abductee most of my life, I CHOOSE not to be
anymore
and have made the means to negate their technology. That is not
an
exercise in fear but control.
Consider this my friend. What IF the ideals you espouse as a
middle
class German were the product of subtle indoctrination? Further,
WHAT IF the progenators of this philosophy were set upon the
distruction
of your country's infrastructure? At what point, would you be
willing
to reconsider the correctness of your position?
These people have been manipulating us for thousands of years.
They
know the 7 deadly sins preferred by humanity as well as we do.
Your
comment that the Hitler movement was an occult thing, well
illustrates
this particular point. The Illumanti, is a nice word for
Nordics.
Who then was on the other end of the occult connection? Hitler
on one
side, Nordics on theother ?
No sir, we are not lost as perpetual victims of the Nordics. We
are
creatures of Free will and we can choose to fight. My cage is
the
first step in that battle. Removing ourselves from the list of
victims.
And we have allies.
My message here may have seemed to be one of despair. It is not.
I
promote a message of hope and my progress in my quest for the
truth is
on going. I am not paranoid, nor fearful. I am truthful and
write it
as I see it, and occasion injecting some wit and humor to keep
the
crowd from getting bored.
My purpose for coming to this forum is completed and I will be
backing
out (see next message).
Bob
Message: #269956, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 6:04:05 PM
Subject: Farewell
From: westbrook 71705,262
To: Westbrook 71705,262
Folks:
I have completed the tasks I came here to perform. These were to
1. Inform as to the nature and purpose of ufos and those who
operate them.
2. Inform as to a defense against these intrusions.
3. Inform as to the nature of our universe, our places in it and
future events.
For myself personally, I came to seek out 40 special people with
whom
I must make contact. In this effort, I have located 2. The
others
are scattered around the planet and the means for locating them
has
only recently surfaced.
I've attempted to convey the ideas of free will and choices. If
tried
to proffer the idea that fear can be conquered by rational
thought and
intellect. It is with these tools alone that we will survive the
coming years, individually and collectively.
I am aware that I have inspired some people to considerable
extremes.
Consider that this reaction belies the fact that I have hit a
nerve,
one that inspires considerable emotional responses both postive
and
negative. This fact alone should demonstrate, if nothing else,
that
something is going on.
I will not be posting any more material on this forum. I have
reached
a point where the nature of the material is too sensitive to
commit
to a public forum. However, I will say this:
The lid is going to blow off the subject of ufos in the next few
months.
A ship will appear and will slowly cruise the major cities on
the
globe allowing itself to be photographed and documented. This
craft
will be manned by humans and renegade hybrids in revolt against
the
Nordic regime.
If you read Revelations, you will note a passage about a
pregnant woman who crushes Satan. That woman is alive and is
pregnant with a hybrid
implanted during an abduction. The Nordics can't harvest the
fetus
due to the protection of my shield. Revelations further states
she
will flee the Earth to a place of refuge. This too is in
progress.
Also, that the child will become a great future leader. That
remains
to be seen. The truths of my writings will become self evident
as
these events occur.
The Nohsaimus are training humans (obe) with the skills
necessary to
deal with the upcoming war. The battle for Earth will be fought
in
space with humans and hybrids working side by side using a
combination
of stolen Nordic technology and Nohsaimus techonology. Satan and
his
Nordics will not stand in the face of this hurricaine.
The bulk of the humans utilized in this war will be taken from
the
ranks of those taken in the Rapture, approximately 2 years from
now.
All will serve voluntarily and willingly. All will represent the
best
of what lives in the hearts of man.
We're in for some interesting times.
While I will not be posting here, I will still be available in
email
for a while for those who wish to seek me out.
I wish you all well and good luck for the future.
Bob Westbrook
Message: #7195, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 6:05:00 PM
Subject: #7159-F cage Confirmed!!
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Frank Turner 72540,736
Frank:
Yes, I have a 120 current flowing.
I think you're hung up on the semantics here and aren't
visualizing
the word 'astral' correctly.
My ET's are using the 4th dimension to perform their deeds.
Astral
projection is moving your mind into the 4th dimension. There is
no
difference. It's the same thing
Get it?
Bob
Message: #7197, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 6:05:14 PM
Subject: Farewell
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Westbrook 71705,262
Folks:
I have completed the tasks I came here to perform. These were to
1. Inform as to the nature and purpose of ufos and those who
operate them.
2. Inform as to a defense against these intrusions.
3. Inform as to the nature of our universe, our places in it and
future events.
For myself personally, I came to seek out 40 special people with
whom
I must make contact. In this effort, I have located 2. The
others
are scattered around the planet and the means for locating them
has
only recently surfaced.
I've attempted to convey the ideas of free will and choices. If
tried
to proffer the idea that fear can be conquered by rational
thought and
intellect. It is with these tools alone that we will survive the
coming
years, individually and collectively.
I am aware that I have inspired some people to considerable
extremes.
Consider that this reaction belies the fact that I have hit a
nerve,
one that inspires considerable emotional responses both postive
and
negative. This fact alone should demonstrate, if nothing else,
that
something is going on.
I will not be posting any more material on this forum. I have
reached
a point where the nature of the material is too sensitive to
commit
to a public stage. However, I will say this:
The lid is going to blow off the subject of ufos in the next few
months.
A ship will appear and will slowly cruise the major cities on
the
globe allowing itself to be photographed and documented. This
craft
will be manned by humans and renegade hybrids in revolt against
the
Nordic regime.
If you read Revelations, you will note a passage about a
pregnant woman
who crushes Satan. That woman is alive and is pregnant with a
hybrid
implanted during an abduction. The Nordics can't harvest the
fetus
due to the protection of my shield. Revelations further states
she
will flee the Earth to a place of refuge. This too is in
progress.
Also, that the child will become a great future leader. That
remains
to be seen. The truths of my writings will become self evident
as
these events occur.
The Nohsaimus are training humans (obe) with the skills
necessary to
deal with the upcoming war. The battle for Earth will be fought
in
space with humans and hybrids working side by side using a
combination
of stolen Nordic technology and Nohsaimus techonology. Satan and
his
Nordics will not stand in the face of this hurricane.
The bulk of the humans utilized in this war will be taken from
the
ranks of those taken in the Rapture, approximately 2 years from
now.
All will serve voluntarily and willingly. All will represent the
best
of what lives in the hearts of man.
We're in for some interesting times.
While I will not be posting here, I will still be available in
email
for a while for those who wish to seek me out.
I wish you all well and good luck for the future.
Bob Westbrook
Message: #7180, S/3 Abductions
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 3:22:10 PM
Subject: #6870-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #7196 (1 reply)
Bob Anello asks:
> Its obvious from all accounts that they are very predictable
in following
>procedures and the sequence of their actions very rarely
changes. But with
>that hive intellect, I would think we humans are very
unpredictable to them as
>we all are quite different from each other. For this reason I
tossed up the
>question about whether or not they really know us. Yes, I know
you believe
>their scheme has been orchestrated for thousands of years and
they've had this
>long-time "practice" to know everything about us.
But......hasn't there been
>any time in your opinion that we humans collectively have been
so
>unpredictable that we've thrown a monkey-wrench into their
plans?
And Bob Westbrook answers:
>Indeed we can monkey wrench their plans. But first about the
hive.
>The Grays have a hive mentality and must stay within it. The
Nordics
>and Hybrids can connect to the hive, but it's optional. They
are allowed
>a degree of independant thought.
This naturally makes me think of the Star Trek episodes about
the Borg. . .
I'm fascinated by this description of aliens, it very muchs
changes my view
on such things as the nature of how they are "undead" or use
undead technology
to mantain immortality.
Bob & Bob , What do you know about these hives, the dynamics
by which it
operates as a hive, and most importantly, the limitations of the
hive
mentality; what it can and can't do?
Myke
Message: #7196, S/3 Abductions
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 6:05:03 PM
Subject: #7180-Catch a Gray ?
From: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
To: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
Myke:
The hive produces a nonindividual state of being. You are a part
of the
whole without your own identity. The Borg is a good example.
They
have all the animal survival instincts most living creatures
have,
but can not make the leap of faith needed for imagination. They
are
extremely limited to the service functions for which they were
designed.
I wouldn't describe immortality as being 'undead'. It gives
imagery
of vampires. A matter of perspective I imagine.
Bob
Message: #270080, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Fri, Aug 5, 1994 11:02:25 PM
Subject: #269955-Believe ! Westbrook !!
From: Hardy Rupp 100336,255
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
>> I am truthful and write it as I see it, and occasion
>> injecting some wit and humor to keep the crowd from getting
bored.
and you did it well, even if i don't agree with your ideas,
westbrook. as i said, you made one color in my colorbox and i'm
shure everyone in the forum enjoyed having talked to you. i'm
sorry if you felt hurt by my quick letters, on my side they were
ment kind-hearted.
one love
hardy
Message: #270110, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 1:03:22 AM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: *Xena* 72230,2401
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
Nice meeting you online. Take care. Keep in touch if there's
anything important?
Cindy/Xena
Message: #270113, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 1:12:03 AM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: Marty 70223,151
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
To westbrook or whoever chooses to read this,
I got but one thing to say. It's one of the 2 quotes I've found
to have any insight, that've been said on Star Trek. And how
ironic, eh?
"The universe is not so badly designed."
If a purpose is needed for you in life - please don't preach of
a destruction or war & your grand purpose of warning & search in
the scheme of things. In my heart, where it counts, I know this
won't come to pass. And quite frankly - it's not a "what if"
situation.
They're selling messiahs by the crate, now they've come out with
the Intergalactic Messiah!
(maybe more than 1 thing to say )
Marty
Message: #270132, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 3:13:05 AM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: Peter Partridge/UFOLOGY 70762,1512
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #270173 (1 reply)
Hi Bob,
I'm sorry to hear you've decided to depart for good from this
forum as I've enjoyed almost all of your contributions, and I
remain fascinated by your evolving story. Even your accusation
of my being "thought police" for trying to steer you away from
another flaming argument here was, perhaps unintentionally, good
for a laugh.
Anyway, I hope you change your mind and come back with updates
from time to time. If not, I'll harrass you by email
occasionally to satisfy my curiosity about your personal crusade
against the flying forces of evil. I don't mean to sound
flippant in saying that as I have experienced a similar
intrusion into my life and I would have preferred to remain your
ally as you uncovered more about the nature of the enemy, the
good guys and the battles ahead.
Regardless, take care and sincere thanks for your participation
with us.
Pete
Message: #7240, S/3 Abductions
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 5:04:00 AM
Subject: #7196-Catch a Gray ?
From: Myke Reynolds 74660,1740
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
>The hive produces a nonindividual state of being. You are a
part of the
>whole without your own identity. The Borg is a good example.
They
>have all the animal survival instincts most living creatures
have,
>but can not make the leap of faith needed for imagination. They
are
>extremely limited to the service functions for which they were
designed.
There are very different sorts of hive members aren't there? As
in, full time
members, those that are inseperable, and others who can
disconnect and have
varying amounts of independent will. These later guys must have
a very strange
dual-existance, part insect hive, part independent will. . .
>I wouldn't describe immortality as being 'undead'. It gives
imagery
>of vampires. A matter of perspective I imagine.
How is their immortality involved this? I think theres more to
it than simply
that they take a pill and live forever. . . I think this genetic
cyborg
technology is involved somehow.
Myke
Message: #270383, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 8:38:17 PM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: Alain Beaulieu/ASYSOP 70403,3645
To: westbrook 71705,262
We will miss you. Be sure to drop in once in a while for updates
though.
Alain
Message: #270402, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 10:04:26 PM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: Jack Boyle 70322,2171
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
Sorry to see you go. You were one of my main reasons for hanging
out here. I wish you the best of luck in the coming years.
Jack
Message: #270406, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 1994 10:12:24 PM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: Robert C. Arthurs II 71052,1146
To: westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Bob,
Good luck! Sorry to see you go, I enjoyed the information you
presented here.
Best wishes,
Bob.
Message: #270630, S/16 UFOlogy/Contacts
Date: Sun, Aug 7, 1994 4:02:17 PM
Subject: #269956-Farewell
From: Shannon + Sara Smith 73521,3045
To: westbrook 71705,262
Thanks Bob. Your input will be missed here.
I wish you well and good luck for the future.
Sara :-)
Message: #7394, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Aug 8, 1994 9:34:31 AM
Subject: #7195-F cage Confirmed!!
From: Frank Turner 72540,736
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Yeah- I'd say that's correct. Or at least it's a good
hypothesis. OTOH, sometimes I think we're all crazy.
Message: #7438, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Mon, Aug 8, 1994 7:54:27 PM
Subject: Your abduction
From: David M. Cvet 74267,2064
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262 (received)
Reply: #7441 (1 reply)
Bob:
I read with intense interest your script of the encounter you
had experienced along with Angelfish in Hawaii. Your account
was extremely interesting and fantastic. I have a casual
interest in this sort of stuff over the years and have, for some
reason, felt some sort of affinity for abductions and UFO and
the like. I don't understand why, but it's always been there.
I do have an experience that I had when as a child. I would
like to describe it to you, however, details are extremely fuzzy
and sparse. The only thing that is outstanding, that I can
remember is the feeling of time lost. I believe that I was
about 7 years old. I remember it was around Nov, 1962. The
point was that it was November 1962, not September. It was like
I missed the rest of September, completely missed October and
was in November. I remember asking my dad what month it was and
he told me. Yet there was nothing apparently wrong. I wasn't
missed or nothing unusal happened.
I guess that this is a pretty weak account, but its the best I
can do. I have often thought about going under hypnosis to try
to wrench this from my deepest parts of my mind. I have also
experienced various "psychic" phenomena over the years. Nothing
earth shattering, but things.
I don't know why I'm telling you this stuff. Perhaps you
recognize something. Perhaps I am not "crazy" or odd. Maybe you
can shed some light on the subject. If this is only an over
active imagination, then tell me. Are these the manifestations
of an earlier incident? I don't know.
Anyway, you can ignore this message and I will understand. You
must get a lot of this sort of thing. I want to believe that
yours and Anglefish's experiences are true and encompass another
reality. One that humans cannot touch because of their focus on
only the tangible realities.
Good luck with the "greys".
David
Message: #7609, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Wed, Aug 10, 1994 8:31:28 PM
Subject: #5678-UFO Encounter
From: Laura Roy 74507,3520
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob: Do you know about the contactee book wrtten by Lt.
Col.Wendelle Stevens. We are trying to locate it?How immediate
was your intelligence reaction? Do you feel that it was
intracranial? I think that is very interesting. I remember
seeing videos stating that a metallic pellet was placed in the
nose, through the nostril into the pineal gland. Laura
Message: #8326, S/1 UFO/Alien Contact
Date: Tue, Aug 16, 1994 2:06:09 PM
Subject: #6692-Catch a Gray ?
From: ALVIN B MCCLURE 76660,2170
To: Bob Westbrook 71705,262
Bob, I've been following this thread for the last few weeks, and
I want to say I really appreciate ALL the information provided.
As I read the descriptions of the Nordics, grays, and Noshuimes
(sp?) I was struck by the similarity to beings described by
Carlos Castenedas nin his most recent Don Juan book. According
to him, the old ones (early sorcerers) discovered this ability
to keep their life forces going and essentially become immortal.
Could they be one and the same beings?
Inquiring minds want to know
