Msg#: 3516 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/25/88 17:58:00 (Read 1 Times)
From: LES WILCOX
To: NICK NATAS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3503 (ME!)
The Black Pope
I glad you refer to us as asses, I hope your not like the guy God had to use a
dumb ass[donkey] to get through to him. And natas can do nothing unless God
allows it.
Thank You For
Your letter!
Jesus-Loves
You!!!
Les
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Msg#: 3504 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/26/88 23:38:12 (Read 3 Times)
From: JAMES MACCURDY
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2665 (KING JAMES/WITCH-HUNTS)

Thank you for your input.  I was not aware of this technical point when I wrote
the message, but it does tend to bear out the point of my message.

James R. MacCurdy
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Msg#: 3514 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/25/88 01:48:00 (Read 1 Times)
From: DEREK MOORE
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: BORING HUMANIST PROPAGANDA "TEMPTAT
After reading your message up to the latter part of August, I had to answer
you. Does your 1st Amendment Rights let you do anything you want? You seem to
defend the "Temptation" movie, and say any thing has a right to be said. That
is bull. Some things don't need to be said, especially  when children are
concerned or involved. This echo should be open to     children, but vulgar
language and severe flaming are not allowed, because we think certain things
shouldn't be said. As for the rest of your       messages, the content is
minimal. When is the movie review from you      coming? Can't you spring for
ten bucks. What make you think we want your opinion anyway? You act as if your
opinion represents MCA. Legitimate    Christians(ones who take Jesus Christ
straight out of the Bible, believe He is Lord, and all his words are true) have
legitimate gripes with the  movie.

My main gripe is that Jesus Christ is depicted on the cross as sinning. I said
sinning. It is a sin for people to lust for one another, (Mat. 5:28,
Gal.5:16,17 ; I Thess. 4:3-6 ; II Tim. 2:22) I could produce at least twice as
many more scriptures, describing lust and fornication as being sin, when the
acts aren't even physically committed.
This brings us to the greater point. Did Jesus die on the cross in a state of
unholiness? Was he lusting and sinning when he died? Was Jesus a worthy
sacrifice that amounted to anything or was he just another man.   The movie is
a very deliberate, low down, sneaky, rotten, slimy,         straight out of the
pit attempt to mock Christianity. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and
personal savior. I believe the Bible. People who support the movie don't know
lots of scriptures which are very pertinent. Of course if you don't believe the
Bible, then you wouldn't have a problem with the movie.  The teaching of this
movie falls partly falls in line with various cults. Either they believe Jesus
was just another man who could sin or they don't believe all the Bible. Some
cults even have to write their own version to make it say what they want it to
stay. Others even add books. Some say new angels inspired the variations from
the Bible. It all goes back to the Holy Words ofthe Bible. Either you believe
them or you don't. The Bible clearly states that believing that Jesus Christ is
the only way to heaven (John 14:6 ; Acts 4:10-12).

Believe what you want. I'm sticking to the Bible and Jesus. I'll be in heaven.

In the name of Jesus, I bind the evil spirits that are trying to control our
lives. In the name of Jesus, I bind them from our families, finances, whatever
we do, the people we see, the (so-called) good witches in this echo, our
property, and every area of our lives. In the name of Jesus, I loose our
ministering angels to go into to all the above mentioned areas and to do the
Father's will for us. Father I ask In the name of Jesus, that you show us all
your will and make us live in your love. Jesus Christ, Father, and Holy Spirit
I love you.

Msg#: 3728 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/29/88 22:03:48 (Read 2 Times)
From: JAMES MACCURDY
To: MICHELLE HASS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3682 (BORING HUMANIST PROPAGANDA "TEMP)
You are quite right in saying that the First Amendment protects even those
works that some people find offensive.  In fact, that is its very purpose. It
was created so that expression could not be suppressed merely because those
with influence disagreed with it.  To see this one only has to look as far as a
U.S. history text and observe the events and legislation around the year 1776
-- and a mighty fine year it was!

--James R. MacCurdy
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Msg#: 3686 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/28/88 13:55:31 (Read 0 Times)
From: RON SUTHERLAND
To: WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
Subj: RITUAL CHILD ABUSE
I am trying to  find someone who can help me concerning a ritual child abuse
case where four childrenc have been ritualy abused with the full knowledge  of
their fathers, in what is described by the children as occult or satanic in
nature.  Children carry markes of dedication to Satan they range in age from
4-12 much evidence can be made available to the right people

Msg#: 3718 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/27/88 21:49:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: SCOTT ROBERTS
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3539 (RE: WITCHCRAFT)
I never said they did not have the RIGHT by our CONSTITUTION to believe as they
will, but according to the ** BIBLE **, witchcraft is WRONG/SIN/A GAINST THE
BIBLE etc. even if they do not do human sacrifice.  Human sacrifice is not what
makes witchcraft wrong, it the following of the leader of witchcraft, who is,
my friend, SATAN himself.
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Msg#: 3724 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/29/88 10:32:30 (Read 0 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: SCOTT ROBERTS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3718 (RE: WITCHCRAFT)
You seem not to understand.  Wicca, the "Wise-Craft" is a distillation of a
current of spiritual thinking that dates back to paleolithic times in Europe.
It spins together fragments of the stone-age shamanic traditions of Europe with
the folk beliefs of pre-Christian Eire, Britain, Cymri(Wales ), Scotland and
Gaul, as well as some elements of the ancient Nordic and Greco-Roman religions.
Wicca as it stands now is an attempt by modern people to reclaim these old
ways, begun just after World War Two by Gardner, Saunders, and a host of others
working separately but, amazingly, coming to similar conclusions.  In the
Americas, the various Wiccan societies have begun to draw also from that deep
wellspring of knowledge that exists within the ancient Ways of the Native
American peoples.  I myself study with a woman who is recognized as a Shaman by
the Chiricahua Apache (Teneh) people of the Naiche-Tosawi
(Bedonkohe-Chihuicahui) band.  I am not Wiccan, but I support my Pagan sisters
and brothers in their path towards honoring Earth and Sky and the eternal
Source that created them and All That Is.  Or as my teacher says "We Teneh
worship God in red-man's clothes, and the Wiccans worship God in Old Keltic
clothes. It all comes back to God."  You can tear this apart in any sort of
theological way.  True, I'm an unabashed pantheist, which I know from my years
as a Messianic Jew is heresy to a Christian, but since the Christian Paradigm
is not the Paradigm that I acknowledge for myself, this is immaterial.  Neither
those who are Shamanic Pagans (Those who follow the Tribal Ways of the Native
Americans, Africans, Australians, Polynesians et al) nor Wiccans believe at all
in the Christian world-view.  This means they reject the Christian Satan just
as they reject the Christian Jesus.  THINK before you accuse a Pagan
automatically of being a Satanist.  Satanists are as Christian as you are.
They follow the Christian World-view to a T, only they are Heretics that
worship the Devil-figure rather than the God-figure.  We are not Satanists,
contrary to the views of several centuries of persecutors, from Torquemada to
General Custer to the people who gave tuberculosis-infested blankets to Native
American Children to the people who burnt healers and herbalists at the stake i
n Europe and America.  We exist, and we hold to our convictions as strongly as
you hold to yours.  I wish not to convert you to my beliefs, so keep your hands
off mine. I wish you peace...MK-H

Msg#: 3700 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/25/88 22:24:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: DAVID FRITZ
To: PHILLIP HANSFORD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2598 ((R)RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
One of these "hysterical" Christians is a guy by the name of Mike
Warnke.  He has written the Satan-sellers and has a number of comedy
records out.  He also runs a ministry which seeks to fight the influence
of Satanism.  What's interesting about him is that he used to be a
Satanist high priest.  Some of the stories he tells are rather gruesome,
for instance he once presided over a gang rape.  He's not hysterical atr
all, merely trying to make amends for his past deeds and trying to bring
a halt to the evil he once helped to spread.  We don't make up our info
about Satanism, it is obtained from former members and from former
victims.  If you have a different story to tell about Satanism then the
one we've heard, please tell us.  If Satan is not the prince of
darkness, please show us.  I'm interested in hearing some actual details
about what Satanists do, rather than vague statements about what you do
not do.  I'm sure that you personally do not do these things.  I'm not
so sure that this will remain true for people who remain under their
influence.  I don't like believing evil of others, and am anxious to see
if you can prove me wrong.
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Msg#: 3701 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/25/88 22:26:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: DAVID FRITZ
To: ROWAN MOONSTONE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3700 (RE: (R)RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
There have also been many police departments who have reported getting
more and more concerned about Satanist activities.
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Msg#: 3702 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/25/88 22:38:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: DAVID FRITZ
To: NICK NATAS
Subj: (R)ME!
My only comment is, is this a strange joke, or a real statement of
beliefs?  I truly hope it is a strange joke.  As a Christian, I take
Satan on every day.  Sometimes I win, sometimes I don't.  But God is
willing to forgive my sins, and get me going again.  But in reality, God
has already won.  Nothing you or I or Satan can do will change that.
All Satan can do is make life miserable for us for a time.  This is not
the actions of someone great, but of someone small and spiteful, like a
child that can't get its way.  Someday I hope you learn what power is,
and what love is.  Love is not merely sex.  Killing innocent people will
start to pale in its pleasure, and you will need to do more and more.
And all the while Satan laughs, because he cares no more for you or for
anyone outside of himself, than an insect.  It is not too late, you
know.  God still loves you.  Christ died for you, as you are.  And He
can save you.  He can give you eternal life.  What can Satan possibly
offer besides pleasures that progressively get more twisted and less
real. Look at yourself and think.
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Msg#: 3725 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/29/88 10:59:37 (Read 0 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: DAVID FRITZ
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3700 ((R)RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
As I have said time and time before, there is no statute of limitations on
either rape or murder.  I wonder how many "ex-Satanists" would change their
tunes if they had to "tell it to the judge" in a Murder One case. MK-H

From:    Hugh Read
To:      All                                      Msg #426, 26-Aug-88 07:06am
Subject: Full Moon Journey


Come with me down this ancient wisdom path
In the Full Moon light
The path is soft and white
Great shadows bless us

Crickets gently singing liquid light songs
Open secret thoughts
Silent bats flitting
With healing wisdom

Stir a deep mysterious Magick Force
A wise owl whispers
Strong blue notes of deep love
We know we are safe

A Presence of Beauty begins to stir
The path opens into two
Two paths branch out anew
We find the cross-roads

We join hands awaiting dark Hecate
Power increases
Wonder and terror grow
With holy love

Deeper and more healing than we have known
And our hearts open
With helpless pure wonder
And our souls expand

And we see Her, sparkling silver and black,
Pulsating, growing
Expanding into us
Ecstatically one

Each of us recieves what each of us needs
The silent music
Flows through and around us
Filling us with bliss

And when it is time, each of us withdraws
Each follows a path
Carrying ecstacy
Bliss, wisdom, power

Uniquely renewed out of this oneness
This ancient union
With Hecate-Mother
Now and forever


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From:    Hugh Read
To:      Judy Harrow                              Msg #494, 28-Aug-88 07:06pm
Subject: Mother

I wrote this to clear my head.  I have a lot of respect for you and not a
little love.  You were the one who told me many months ago that out of the
sixties came the idea that if you want to be a Witch and you can find no other
way to do it, say, I am a Witch three times and think about it a lot.  Beyond
that, you are a compassionate woman with a background in psychology.

The following poem asks a question that is very personal to me but may have
some interest to others.  How does one's feelings about his'r mother affect
his'r feelings about the Great Mother.  A lot of events are underlining the
fact that this is a time of transitition for me.  This poem is a part of that
transition.

What indeed will happen when she dies.  I...
Will I be alone
Hecate...Hecate...
Will I be alone

Like Ramakrishna, I have wailed, "Mother!"
"Set me free, Mother"
Now she is 84.
I still cry, "Free me!"

Like Kali, she has tormented me
Will she let me go
Minerva...Minerva...
Will she let me go

Oh, Isis...oh, Nepthys...oh, Hecate...
Will I be alone
Oh, Most Ancient Mother
Will you be with me

Saraswati...Paravati...Durga...
Oh, Divine Mother
If with me...will I wail
"Mother, let me go!"

Will I like Ramakrishna wail, Mother
As I wail Mother
Now...for my freedom...NOW
From my mother...now

Am I seeking...have I found another
Another Mother
In You Ancient Mother
More implacable

And full of a deeper terror...beauty
More awesome sweetness
Colder in cruelty
Richer in incest

What ancient needs drive me now to Wicca
As her death draws nigh
Do I enter Wisdom
Or repeat Folly

                                           Cooly\Hugh
Msg#: 3933 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/30/88 09:25:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3509 (RE: TEENS & CULTS)
There is an EXCELLENT book out about this right now, it's called "Satan Wants
YOU" by arthur Lyons. Don't let the title throw you. Lyons investigates the
phenomenon of Satan Worship and it's social applications. He also investigates
a lot of the "urban legends" like cattle mutilations from actual public records
of coroners, police, etc. and comes to the conclusion that except in the area
of wacked out teens on drugs, the area of Satanic crime IS an Urban legend.
This concurs exactly with my personal findings as well. BB Rowan

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Msg#: 3935 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/30/88 09:36:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: ROWAN MOONSTONE
To: JAMES MACCURDY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3933 (RE: TEENS & CULTS)
Can you give me some idea of exctly what you're looking for? Are you interested
in the philosophical beliefs of Satanists? if so, I'm afraid I can't help you
much. Beyond La Vey's books, which I have not read, I don't know of any
information available to the general public. If you're interested in the crime
aspect, read "Satan Wants you" by Arthur Lyons and "Cults That Kill" by Larry
Kahaner. These should give you a good general overview of the subject. BB Rowan

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Msg#: 3945 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/29/88 23:41:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: DAVID FRITZ
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: (R)MOVIE WORTH SEEING, MA
Christians everywhere have long been worried about the fascisti cults
that infest this nation.  They are not large, but they are dangerous.
Although they may call themselves Christian, they are much more
concerned about their hatred of men than about their love of God.  About
Satanists, it is just as easy to believe too little about their
practices as it is to believe too much.  Once again, if they don't do
what they are reported to do, then what do they do?
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Msg#: 3948 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/29/88 23:55:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: DAVID FRITZ
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: (R)RE: WITCHCRAFT
You are of course absolutely right that you have a right to believe what
you will.  We can of course do nothing to force you to believe (or say
you believe) in the Christian "world view".  We'd LIKE for you to,
because we've found something that we think is just great and we want to
share it.  But you have free will, and you can believe what you want.
Just remember that beliefs are important.  Truth is important. We should
not believe something because it is convenient, or interesting, or
"cool", or fun to believe.  This is dishonest.  We should believe
something because we think it is true.  No other reason.  I happen to
think that Christianity is true.  I would welcome any oppurtunities to
discuss it with you or anyone else, but I will not force my views on
you, nor condemn you for believing differently.  Grace and peace.
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Msg#: 3956 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/30/88 23:21:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: LES WILCOX
To: MICHELLE HASS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3728 (RE: BORING HUMANIST PROPAGANDA "TEMP)
Tell me what you know about the Merivengien Blood Line? Remember almost always
fiction has a little fact behind it!
Les
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Msg#: 3985 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/31/88 06:37:08 (Read 0 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: DAVID FRITZ
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3945 ((R)MOVIE WORTH SEEING, MA)
Like I have said and others here too, Lyons' "Satan Wants You", and Kahaner's
"Cults That Kill" are excellent books that look at the whole "satanic crime"
phenomenon in a rather unbiased manner, without the hysteria of some Christian
"guidebooks" and certainly without the bombastic lunatic-fringe of publications
like File 18.  Much seems to belong in the realm of "urban legend", in the same
category as UFOs, Kentucky Fried Rats and Alligators in New York City's sewers.
And what's incredibly fishy is the fact that these so-called ex-satanists that
tell of participating in sacrifices have never been brought to a court of law
to answer these claims.  At the very least they could be brought in for being
accessories to Murder One.  And Warnke could also be hauled in for being a
self-confessed rapist as well.  Perhaps if law enforcement did its job and
INVESTIGATED the claims of these people, you'd have a lot of 'ex-satanists'
changing their tune all the sudden.  Of what has been reliably dug up
concerning Satanism, there seems to be three types...the Philosophical
Satanist, which is a person that believes that Satan, rather than the Christian
God, is the rightful creator and rightful object of worship, (much like the
Cathar heresy) or that Satan embodies the concept of power and unmitigated
sensuality that Christianity denies (Satan as Dionysius figure) and is
worshipped for that reason. These are few and far between, and can be
catagorized by their acceptance of a Christian world view as Christian
Heretics.  The second type, the Whacked Out Headbanger Stoner Satanist, (WOHSS)
has picked up on the defiance angle of Satan and Satanism and participates
primarily out of shock value and thrillseeking. Much of their concepts come
from Heavy Metal music, which draws its primary inspiration from B-class
British, (Hammer Studios) American and Italian horror films and such authors as
HP Lovecraft, Stephen King, Michael Moorcock (British S-F and Fantasy author
responsible for much of the "sword and sorcery" lit boom with his Elric and
Corum series) and the self confessed carnival huckster Anton Szandor La Vey's
'Satanic Bible'.  Many WOHSSes also have read books by said authors and are
"into" satanism because it's "cool".  Most also leak into the third category,
that of Thrillseeker Dabbler.  This category seems to cover all those that
don't fit into the above two.  The TD is into satanism the way some are into
skydiving, river rafting and hang gliding.  It has real and/or perceived
dangers, it is "sexy" and it satisfies the lust some have for being on or over
the "edge" of reality.  Much of the TD's knowledge of Satanism also comes from
the sources mentioned with the teenage WOHSS types, including La Vey and Horror
Movies.  It is no accident that the other most common "satanic" book used by
the Dabblers and the WOHSSes is the "Necronomicon of Abdul Al'Hazrad, the Mad
Arab", known in short as the Necronomicon, which was written by Science Fiction
author HP Lovecraft as background to his horror magnum opus, the "Cthulhu"
series.  Orgies and the "Black Mass", a practice that first came about in the
1700s in the court of Louis Quatorze by bored courtiers looking for thrills,
satisfy the sexual thrillseeking angle of the TD 'satanist'.  Many of the "S&M
Studios" that exist in Hollywood and other parts of LA use a religious
exemption, usually connection with La Vey's Church of Satan or Aquino's Temple
of Set because those will give them the religious status without question. So
this is how the evidence stands.  Whether or not there is a fourth category, a
sub-branch of the first, of a 'Satanic Conspiracy', is completely unproven and
riddled with conjecture.  It is primarily the WOHSS and Thrillseeker types that
may be responsible for a lot of the documented graveyard desecrations, animal
mutilations, and the rare killing.  Most Philosophical Satanists would not even
bother with such things as blood sacrifice.  There really should be some
serious, unbiased investigation into the claims of mass satanic killing, and it
is my guess that a lot of it will simply not wash.  Lastly, I am not a Satanist
of any of the three categories.  I am a Shamanic Pagan, follower of the ancient
Ways of the Native Americans of the Southwestern Tribes.  This, I hope, should
clear up some confusion...I hope.  Peace...MK-H

Msg#: 3987 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/31/88 07:15:43 (Read 0 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: DAVID FRITZ
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3948 ((R)RE: WITCHCRAFT)
I happen to believe that the Ways of the Chiricahua Teneh, which are at least
as old as Christianity, are Truth.  Rowan believes that the Ways of the ancient
Keltoi, known as Wicca, are Truth.  You believe that Christianity is Truth.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.  That's all I have been trying to say
in the first place.  I'll not try to convert you if you won't try to convert
me.  OK? MK-H

Msg#: 3990 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/31/88 21:38:37 (Read 1 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: ROWAN MOONSTONE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3934 (RE: SATANISM)
Dear Rowan:

Please don't demean the Toledo evidence because the cult there was real and
quite possibly of very long standing.  The night videos of their sacrifices are
revealing -- of license plate nos. and the snipers perched in trees.  If it was
up to me, yes ... I would have analysed the acid vat for human remains & fats
in the acid, but the local police didn't even have it together to keep the
scene from being disturbed.  It WAS badly bungled.  All that means is that it
was badly bungled in the search.  That is a fact I regret, but SOMETHING was
going on there and it was going on for an extended period of time.  I don't
know what cattle mutilations have to do with all this -- Gray's Anatomy won't
help you much if you're killing cows.  And the acid vat wasn't big enough for
bovines.  If you have been researching satanists for years, how can you be
ignorant of these persistant STORIES?  Or to be more exact, how can you dismiss
them out of hand??  Maybe if you looked for activities like this you'd see its
disturbingly there -- sort of white noise on the police blotters of many
suburbs and frankly very out-of-the-way little towns.  Of course, Rowan, if you
went LOOKING for this stuff, you could end up like the couple that turned up in
West Patterson, N.J.  Please tell me -- in email if you like -- whether you
actually HAVEN'T heard about this stuff or alternatively WHY you think its
impossible.

I'm asking all this in a friendly way please understand.  OK?

Ciao

GT
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Msg#: 4084 *BULLETIN BOARD*
09/01/88 17:07:44 (Read 2 Times)
From: JOE TOTARO
To: ROWAN MOONSTONE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3927 (RE: (R)RE: SATANISM, ET AL)
{xDHear, hear Rowan!  I'd like to see Warneke investigated, too.

You touch o}in an interesting point -- several "satanists" have come forward
over the years, not least of which is He{ry Lee Lucas, whos"H{nds{o f Death"
cult seem}/7s to be a close parallel to the neo-Nazi/satanism describe{ by many
sources{ {~rBut even though he's confessed to 5{ (or{more?) murders, he hasn't
been charged with most of them{  A compulsive confessor?  Or did they jus{ do a
gon{d jo{ "cleaning up"?

Ciao

GT
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Msg#: 4089 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/30/88 18:08:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: JAMES FETTERS
To: KEN ARBUCKLE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3937 (RE: FELLOWSHIP WITH UNBELIEVERS)
Ken,
I checked out the KJV, 1611 version, the KJV Open Bible and Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible.  1 Tim. 6:5 which says "Perverse disputings of men of
corrupt minds, and destitute of truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from
such withdraw thyself."   "From such withdraw thyself" is found in all three.
It is also found in The Scofield Reference Bible so that makes four different
references.

I might point out to you that while there are many, many, many different kinds
of Bibles on the market today, I ONLY recongize the KJV 1611 as the only True
Word of God.  The other Bibles on the market I consider counterfits.  This is
my opinion from a study I did but it doesn't mean that all the others are
completely bad. Several are Ok but they are only 96-98% correct.  I find the
KJV 1611 100% correct and since my soul depends on it, that is my final
authority.


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Msg#: 4090 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/30/88 14:34:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: KEN ARBUCKLE
To: LES WILCOX
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3409 (RE: SATANSIM)
Dear Les,
The only common denomonator bvetween humanism and satanism is that both are not
Christianity. After that the rest is only fundamental nonsense. Your logic
escape you on this one, your emotions must be running the show. I scarcely
endorse either  the satanist or humanist position, but your equating the two is
equally not endorsed.
ken
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Msg#: 4091 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/30/88 14:36:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: KEN ARBUCKLE
To: MATTHEW DUNHAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3984 (RE: CONSULTATION)
Dear Matthew,
Totally agree with you re Rowan and paganism. I take it you have no problem
with her explaining Wiccan beliefs to me? I shall ask her. BTW I hope you
realize I am a long way from a neopagan.
ken
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Msg#: 4098 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/20/88 22:44:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: MARIBETH DREHER
To: PHIL POWELL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4093 (RE: WELCOME)
Phil, that "getting stuck out of the body" story is just another folk tale,
like the doberman that swallowed the burglar's fingers, and the vanishing
hitch-hiker.  If you know much about altered states, they are totally under
your control.  Astral projection isn't an uncontrollable experience!
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Msg#: 4095 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/20/88 21:30:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: MARIBETH DREHER
To: ROWAN MOONSTONE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3990 (RE: SATANISM)
So are the pentagrams inverted?
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Msg#: 4096 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/20/88 22:30:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: MARIBETH DREHER
To: RYAN SMITHE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3926 (RE: WITCHCRAFT)
So where is this festival?  And when?
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Msg#: 4097 *BULLETIN BOARD*
08/20/88 22:36:00 (Read 0 Times)
From: MARIBETH DREHER
To: ROWAN MOONSTONE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3323 (RE: MIKE WARNKE)
I would like to read a confessional type book like these, except by someone who
didn't get saved;  i.e., without the viewpoint that Satan is evil, etc. I just
wonder how differently the expereince would be portrayed.
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Msg#: 4101 *BULLETIN BOARD*
09/02/88 06:35:07 (Read 0 Times)
From: MICHELLE HASS
To: JAMES FETTERS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4089 (RE: FELLOWSHIP WITH UNBELIEVERS)
Question...why DO you believe that the 1611 King James translation of the Bible
is the "true Word of God?"  Would a modern translation like the NIV, which was
put together by Evangelical biblical scholars from texts dating back (for the
OT) as far as the time of the Macabees and the Dead Sea Scrolls, be any less
inerrant?  Or what about the translation that a Syrian Christian Scholar did
from the Aramaic texts extant of both the Old and New Testament, some dating
back as far as 75-80 CE and probably as close to the Autographia (the original
texts written by the Evangelists and by Peter, Saul-Paulus, Jacob(James) and
Yehuda(Jude)) that we'll probably ever get?  Please explain logically and
rationally, without heavy emotional outburst. OK?

Msg. # 743   Dated:  09/05/88   ( ) Subj:  I am a Christian
To:  All                            From:  Jeff Cadieux
    R)ead, N)ext, P)revious, E)xit?  Read

Left  08:50:46, 09/05/88

Hello, I'm a Christian.  (Gasp! Scream! Run for the hills! Women and
children first! Boys, fetch your guns! We're being invaded!) albite
(or crucify). All I want to do is clear the air between us in
introducing myself. My name's Jeff Cadieux. I'm a sophomore at the
biggest Baptist university in the world (Baylor U., Waco, TX "The
Golden Buckle on the Bible Belt" Yeech!). I'm a BBA/Computers major
with a vested interest in Philosophy. I consider myself a
Philisophical Christian (Re: Message #290) and not a "Fundie" or Bobby
Baylor Baptist Bible Beater.
     I used to (and to an extent, still am) involved in metaphysics. I
used to read tarot cards and palms. I was a regular on all the Occult
BBSs I could get my hands on (I wasn't PC Pursuiting then, so I was
stuck to the Houston area) and I'm still Metaphysics Subop on the
small C-Net BBS where I began my investigations into metaphysics (The
Ethereal Plane 713/482-0673).
     I'd like to make one thing clear. You have been misled about the
Christian Religion, who Christ was, and how Christ feels about you. I,
like you, have also been victim of fundamentalists. At my school,
there are thousands of fundies who, being fundies, are fairly
intolerant of alternative views. I was peer pressured into
Christianity and found myself one confused child. I piddled around
with Christ for a year, and finally school got out. Once I was away
from the fundamentalist absolutist idiots that we all know so well, I
became closer to several Christians who (and I was amazed at this) did
not pressure me. With them I began to heal those wounds that had been
inflicted on me by the Fundies. I finally came to believe in Christ. I
got rid of my tarot cards and bought a Bible. That is where I found
salvation. I am now very close to several philosophy majors and
professors here, who are also Christians. We examine Christ and His
promise to us from a philisophic point of view. (Psalms 1:2 But his
delight in the law off the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day
and night). I have found (what I believe to be) the true Christian
faith: Belief in the morals and philosophies of the Bible, rather than
of other men. I respect the Bible as a book of faith and of philosophy
(rather than biology or [a perfect account of] history) and I choose
to accept it as the book of God's Law.
     Thus I stand before you, ready to be tested by you as I test my
own faith. I am not overtly trying to convert you (ie. Bible beat
you). I just hope that I can open your eyes to the fact that
Christianity's not as bad as the fundamentalist churches makes it
look. I hope that, maybe, by speaking to open minds, I can convince
even one of you that Christ is the way of truth, peace and love that
you've been looking for, just as I've found.
     I hope that you'll allow me to respond to the above "anti-
Christian" posts point for point, clarifying how I see things. I'll
also answer any questions that you have and confront any issues you
may wish to bring up. I will not give this number to other Christians
in fear that they may invite fundies to pester you. I also will try
not to close my mind to any objection or issue. Remember: I'm
reaffirming my faith in coming to you. I hope that this will be a
growing experience for all of us. I'm going to read the above posts on
Christianity and try to gather some sort of clarification for you.
Also, I'll try to get you some of those "Christian Articles" the sysop
mentioned. God Bless,
  --Jeff