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Date: 25 May 93 16:31:59
From: David Rice
To: Joe Savelli
Subj: Hitler again?!

JS> "I beg to differ with you."

Don't beg. Stand up and debate like a man.

JS> Hitler was not Christian. He pursecuted the church during his
JS> reign and killed church members and leaders in the death camps."

No, Hitler was a devout Christian, believing heart and soul in his Lord Jesus Christ, and received full backing from the Roman Catholic Church when he started his Labor Party. He got full backing when he took over the Nazi party. It was only much later that he started going after RICH and POLITICALLY POWERFUL cults that he became "anti-religion."

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...

"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."

Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922 Published in "My New Order" Quoted in "Freethought Today" April 1990

* Origin: Rights On! - Religion Free Always! - Titusville_FL_USA (1:374/14)

Date: 25 May 93 16:32:28
From: David Rice
To: Joe Savelli
Subj: Hitler again?!

"Religious writers often claim that the cause of Nazism is the secularism or the scientific spirit of the modern world. This evades the facts that the Germans at the time, especially in Prussia, were one of the most religious peoples in Western Europe; that the Weimar Republic was a hotbed of mystic cults, of which Nazism was one; and that Germany's largest and most devout religious group, the Lutherans, counted themselves among Hitler's staunchest followers."

"Given their commitment to the method of faith (and their tendency to imitate the Catholic Church), it is not astonishing that some Nazis went all the way in this issue. A tendency never given the status of official ideology yet fairly prominent in the movement was voiced in a demand made by several of its leading figures (though Hitler himself regarded it as impractical until the Nazis won the war): the demand that Nazism itself be turned into a full- fledge religion. These voices urged a state religion supplanting the older creeds, with its own symbols, its own rituals, and its own zealots avid to convert christians into fanatic Hitler-believers, as, once, ancient missionaries had converted Pagans into fanatic christians. "Adolf Hitler," exclaimed one such believer (the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs), "is the true Holy Ghost!" (15)

"The Nazis did not survive long enough to complete this development. To the end, they could not decide whether to retain christianity, construing Nazism merely as its latest, truest version ("positive christianity," this wing often called it)--or to concoct a distinctively Nazi creed out of a hodgepodge of elements drawn from Pagan Teutonic mythology and romanticist metaphysics. In either case, however, whether advanced as a form of or a successor to christianity, what Nazism did unfailingly demand of its followers was the essence of the religious mentality: an attitude of awed, submissive, faithful adoration. "We believe on this earth SOLEY (emphasis by writer) in Adolf Hitler...," intoned Dr. Robert Ley to a reverent audience of 15,000 Hitler Youths. "We believe that God has sent us Adolf Hitler." (16)

Excerpts from "The Ominous Parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.

(15) Viereck, op. cit., p.289; quoting from Eugene Lyons, "Dictators into Gods" (American Mercury, March 1939).

16) Ibid.; quoting from the New York Times, February 11, 1937.

But of course, no one was killed in the name of god. (Eyes closed tight and exclaiming, "Did not!")

* Origin: Rights On! - Religion Free Always! - Titusville_FL_USA (1:374/14)

Date: 25 May 93 16:32:59
From: David Rice
To: Joe Savelli
Subj: Hitler again?!

Most of the mainstream Christian denominations in Germany expressed support for Hitler and for his regime at some time or other.

The Catholic Bishops conference in 1933 "expressed joy that through the new state Christianity had been promoted, morality improved, and and the struggle against Bolshevism and godlessness condicted with energy and success"

In the same year, 1933 "The Catholic Students Union hails the National Socialist revolution as the greatest spiritual breakthrough of our time".

In 1934, responding to an enquiry from the Ministry for Church affairs, the Catholic Seamen's Mission listed the books and papers they provided to seamen. The list included Hitler's own anti- semitic Mein Kampf, and the newspaper Volkischer Beobachter.

In 1936, the Bishops of Hannover, Wurtemburg and Bavaria signed a statement that said in part "We, together with the Reich Church Committee, stand behind the Fuhrer in the life-struggle of the German people against Bolshevism. In this struggle, the Church mobilizes the forces of Christian belief against unbelief."

In 1939, The Bishop of Hannover, Marahans, was one of the signers of a statement that explained the need for the foundation of an institute to "dejudaize" the Church. "The foundation of this institute is based on the conviction that Jewish influence in all areas of German life, including therefore that of the Church and religon, must be brought to light and eliminated."

At the outbreak of war, the Protestant bishops signed a statement which read in part "So at this hour too we join with our nation in intercession for the Fuhrer and the Reich...."

In November 1941, the Vicar General of the Diocese of Rottenburg wrote "The fact that so many believing soldiers are among the lists of the fallen justifies the conclusion that it is above all those soldiers with true Christian belief who have helped to win the great victories."

It is also true that many individual Christians and Priests resisted Hitler. However, the Churches themselves gave their followers a highly ambiguous and collaborationist message.

* Origin: Rights On! - Religion Free Always! - Titusville_FL_USA (1:374/14)


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