F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 47 22 Nov 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ (__) (--)s ---mmmmoooooooOOOOOO! __ \O// Mooving out with Fidonews... / ==s)\_____ *--/|_/-----/ OO |__ __ II O O o o / \-----/ \ \__/ \__/ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 When Practice becomes Policy ............................. 1 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2 Region 13 Election Schedule .............................. 2 Quite the Election - Darrell Salter ...................... 3 3. COLUMNS .................................................. 5 Ol'WDB: Engineering and Humor ............................ 5 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 6 4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10 Ice Cream for the Soul ................................... 10 Politically Astute ....................................... 10 5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 12 Echcowmail - Fido's Backbone ............................. 12 6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 13 Masthead ................................................. 13 FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 1 22 Nov 1999 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= When Practice becomes Policy Doug Myers Elections are in the news this week. News on the Region 12 Election winds down with a poignant wish by Darrell Salter, the newly elected Regional Coordinator there. The election in Region 13 kicks off with the posting of an election schedule by David Califranceso, the newly elected Election Coordinator there. The R13 election was actually scheduled earlier this year, and nominations made, but the region decided to defer the election until after the Z1C election since David Moufarrege was a prime candidate in both elections. In the Region 13 Sysop echo, there's an interesting thread between Carol Shenkenberger (Acting RC13) and Bob Morasvik (noted Fidonet "Bad Boy"). Carol refers to the Region 13 Election Guidelines as a ional policy, and Bob takes exception to the term "policy" in this context. Bob maintains that a policy, such as Fidonet Policy 4.07, is something enforceable; something which the sysops cannot simply ignore. He further maintains that no RC election policy is possible under P 4.07 because the position of RC is specifically spelled out as an appointment by the Zone Coordinator. Under P 4.97, the Zone Coordinator could simply ignore the vote within a region and appoint whomever he pleases. Carol points out that Bob's criteria of unenforceability is unlikely to have practical impact because David Moufarrege is a known proponent of elections in Fidonet, and is unlikely to reject an elected candidate. It doesn't matter, argues Bob. The fact that the "local" policy cannot bind the ZC invalidates it as a policy. Elections throughout Fidonet are little more than straw polls, and the "policies" defining them are little more than wish lists. As a tribute to his debating skills, Bob has a point. But I wonder if, in making it he hasn't sealed the fate of all policy. Could the ZC refuse an elected candidate from a region where elections have become a tradition? Certainly printed policy says he can do this, but could he actually do this in practice? Would the reaction of the sysops in Fidonet be sufficiently strong to enforce the application of tradition? Could a ZC effectively withstand such a reaction? If not, then the written policy becomes unenforceable, and by Bob's definition, P 4.07 ceases to exist as policy. It may be that we're already at this point since David actively supports elections and will not (in my opinion) reject the outcome of an election. At what point does practice become policy? At what point does written policy become invalid, and cease to exist as policy? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 2 22 Nov 1999 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= Region 13 Election Schedule David Calafrancesco R13 Election Coordinator 1:2624/306, dave@drakkar.org ---------- extracted from email ---------- * Forwarded (from: R13SYSOP) by David Calafrancesco * Originally from David Calafrancesco (1:2624/306) to all. * Original dated: Nov 17 '99, 00:00 As per the current R13 election guidelines (or as close as we will be able to achieve in the spirit of the document given some technical problems like different echo names and missed dates etc), I would like to announce the start of our selection process to determine the next Regional Coordinator for Region 13. The schedule below has been modified from the absolute dates listed in the original document. 1. Announcement of the election: -- November 18th through November 28th 2. Declarations of Candidacy: November 29th through December 12th b. Two weeks are allowed for such declarations 3. Questions to the Candidates: December 13th through January 9th d. Three weeks are allowed for questions and answers 4. Vote: January 10th through January 19th One week is allowed for all members of the region to vote The beginning dates are not absolute, however the ending dates are firm unless we have some catastrophic network failure (like a two week ice storm or something). This means that if someone wishes to jump the gun on a nomination it will be OK. Same for questions to didates may decline to respond to questions until the question phase starts but are free to respond early if they desire. I have extended dates around the holidays to accomodate people's travel plans etc. There was no way to have the election end before the holidays so I set the dates to have things end well after New Years. We certainly don't need to have major chaos in the nodelist during the Y2K transition so having the election ending mid January is preferred. I also expect a one or two week transition period after the final results are posted. Note that the ending date for this term for the RC should stay on the October schedule (October 2001). FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 3 22 Nov 1999 For the duration of this election, the valid echos for announcements, nominations, questions etc... will be R13SYSOP and R13_ELECTION. Announcements will be made in both, discussion can take place in either. Candidates are instructed to monitor both echos equally and to cross post any platforms or other mass announcements into R13SYSOP. Votes will be accepted by almost any method that will get them to me. I plan to use a vote counting robot that will have a flexible format for sending in the votes. Netmail (routed or otherwise) or internet email will both have the same result as they end up in the exact same *.msg netmail folder. Votes will be the usual format, identify yourself (name and nodenumber), who you are voting for, and a keyword. The results will be tallied and reported by use of the keyword so choose something that will likely be unique. The relationship between you and your keyword is as private as you wish to make it. A list of nodes that have voted will also be published allowing people to track who is or is not voting. The robot will hopefully be instructed to post nightly lists of the nodes that have voted so everyone can check to ensure that their vote has been counted. The robot also has an interesting feature in that it allows a voter to change their mind. Only the last vote received for any node is accepted. It also has the ability to deal with slight mispellings of a candidates name. Should anyone have any questions, I can be reached at any of the following methods: 1:2624/306 (preferred) or any of my other AKAs including the 1:13/2 that should be in the nodelist next week. All correspondance can also be sent via email to r13electmod@drakkar.org Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2, Region 13 Election coordinator/moderator. dave@drakkar.org ---------- extracted from email ---------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quite the Election Darrell Salter, R12C 1:12/0 ---------- Echomail extracted from FIDONEWS echo ---------- Nice 'snooze'. Yeah, it was quite the election, and one that I thought would never end. Anyone that has followed Region 12 elections in the past usually finds them quite entertaining, but this one was really different. For me, this was the second time I had thrown my hat in the ring, while I believe it was Steve's first. Steve and I ran FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 4 22 Nov 1999 good, clean campaigns. No backbiting, slander, namecalling, and no real campaigning. It seems we were both content to just let the chips fall where they may. Steve would have made a fine R12C, and I hope he'll be around for the next one. My "win" was dubious at best, and Steve suffered being screwed over twice actually, once by Shawn, and finally by Mike. Immediately following Mike's declaration of me n to get it right, but the general concensus was, nah, let it be, carry on. Even Steve didn't want to contest it, although he certainly had every right to. He was a class-act all the way, and my hat goes off to him. So here I sit, learning a new job, and hoping things get back to normal (whatever that is). :-) Regards, Darrell ---------- Echomail extracted from FIDONEWS echo ---------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 5 22 Nov 1999 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= Engineering and Humor by Ol'WDB Creative engineers are using an old tool in a new way to reengineer the organizational functions and father development of old Entities. I think Fidonet falls into that category as technology is fast eliminating the need for it, and the usefulness of Fido to the masses is declining. Development and implementation of a new framework is necessary for Fido to survive in the next millennium. So let us look at the new innovative possibilities to resurrect and reconstruct a great hobby that served a great public need the past decade or so. My limited engineering knowledge was in the Video and Sound fields, a very narrow area in the total engineering spectrum. All engineering fields are built upon a frame work of knowledge about the behavior of materials of every known medium and application. Organizations large and small depend on team work to accomplish the development of the product, the marketing and sales of their efforts. Ladies and gentlemen, Fidonet is no different then Mother Bell or her big sister AT&T. In fact, all three have a lot in common, (chuckle) and there in lies the basic frame work needed for a happy successful use of a hobby to enhance our enjoyment of life and help the whole world. One of the many tools used in engineering is the languages of the entire world to one degree or another as applicable to the location and project. Language in the form of text is the primary tool of Fidonet. It can be used in many ways and is quite flexible in most general applications. It conveys powerful images, sounds and feelings. Those who are real engineers in the use of it are Journalists by degree, and those of us that try to utilize it are not always successful. Now to the question: Why, as it relates to Fidonet's troubles? To find the answer to that question, a team of engineers would be assigned specific fields according to talent and degree, to assimilate every word, dotting all "i's" and crossing all "t's" in both cases, applying all known rules of the languages that make up the network of Fido. Then they would run the result through their individual programs and post their findings on the units "scratch board" for final collective analyses. Then all of the individual papers would be developed and the resulting algorithm <+AP4-h+SS-T/pB2 > was compiled , the answer was determined in these words in succession of degree: FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 6 22 Nov 1999 +Antiquated P4, -humorB2, +Sh*t stirrers, -Truth, / Procrastination is the answer. To effect an increase in teamwork, empower each sysop/node with a positive sense of humor, a warm body vote in all elections, dramatically increasing their creative abilities to recruit others; and by the disposition of the negative procrastination propensities. In a friendlier Fido, all fights would be avoided voluntarily, d a helping hand to beginners again without making the puppies feel like ignorant idiots. That was the way Fido grew and the only way it will grow again. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: Nov 13, 1999 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 7 22 Nov 1999 Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will e of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1? | $??/$10 12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL | n/c FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 8 22 Nov 1999 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP | aDSL | n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $5/$15 mo. 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL | n/c 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP | T3 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkD,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 270/101 @ George Peace | FTP | 6mbps | $20mo. 271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 345/0 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $10/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 2424/101 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1 | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c 2624/306 @ D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP | 128K+ | n/c 3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 3803/1 @ Ben Ritchey | UUE | 56k | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | ??? | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 9 22 Nov 1999 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com (US west coast) agnese.fidoitalia.net (Italy) Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.isonline.com irc.killaz-r-us.com irc.korombos.org ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com, and complaints to jarhead@osirusoft.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 10 22 Nov 1999 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Ice Cream for the Soul Thanks to Ol'WDB Last week I took my children to a restaurant. My six-year old son asked if he could say grace. As we bowed our heads, he said, "God is great, God is good. Thank you for the food and I would even thank you more if Mom gets us ice cream for dessert. And liberty and justice for all! Amen." Along with laughter from the other customers nearby, I heard a woman remark, "That's what's wrong with this country. Kids today don't even know how to pray. Asking God for ice cream! Why, I never!" Hearing this, my son burst into tears and asked me, "Did I do it wrong? Is God mad at me?" As I held him and assured him that he had done a terrific job and God was certainly not mad at him, an elderly gentleman approached the table. He winked at my son and said, "I happen to know that God thought that was a great prayer." "Really?" my son asked. "Cross my heart." Then, in a theatrical whisper, the gentleman added (indicating the woman whose remark had started this whole thing), "Too bad she never asks God for ice cream. A little ice cream is good for the soul sometimes." Naturally, I bought my kids ice cream at the end of the meal. My son stared at his for a moment and then did something I will remember the rest of my life. He picked up his sundae and, without a word, walked over and placed it in front of the woman. With a big smile he told her, "Here, this is for you. Ice cream is good for the soul sometimes, and my soul is already good." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Politically Astute Thanks to Roy Reed rcreedv@juno.com A little boy goes to his dad and asks, "What's politics?" Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way: I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me Capitalism. Your Mom, she's the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you the People. The nanny, we'll consider her the Working Class. Now your baby brother, FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 11 22 Nov 1999 we'll call him the Future. Now, think about that and see if that makes sense." So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes to his parents' room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed. The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now." The father says, "Good son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about." The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep shit." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-47 Page 12 22 Nov 1999 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= /. moo /`'\ . (__) MOO! ` / ./ \.. 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