(421)   Sun 3 Aug 97 14:36      Rcvd: Fri 8 Aug 21:46
By: Richard Smith
To: Fredric Rice
Re: Steve Winter
St: Rcvd
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  };> Fredric Rice wrote in a message to Richard Smith <:(

 SW> The devil will not be allowed to exert domain where
 SW> Jesus rules King. We shall persue these godless satanic
 SW> groups until the last
  jg> Why do I find it difficult to believe that this guy speaks
  jg> for the Jesus who said "Love thy enemies" and "Pray for those
  jg> who despitefully use thee" ???
 FR> It's the same Jesus mythos which was made to say, (to
 FR> paraphrase) "Whosoever does not hate their mother and
 FR> father can not come to me."
  jg> It always depends on your interpretation. Words do not mean
  jg> the same thing today as they did even 100 years ago.
 rs> That's why we have translations.  And the sentiments are
 rs> unchanged, even though we translate between languages and
 rs> epochs.  Buy a clue if you can't find one.
  FR> But that would mean Jim believes in an evil deity construct.

 Yeah.  And your point was . . . ?

  FR> 'Can't have that.  No, he would rather pretend that the
  FR> evil sentiments in his paper idol are "interpretations."

 When, not to cut too find a point, they aren't.

 We cite these instances in the Bible and take them at
 absolutely face value.  No interpretation given.  When we
 say that the Bible says that a person will be blessed when
 they dash out the brains of children against rocks, it
 literally says just that.

 From the Fundies we get cries of `you shouldn't try to
 interpret the Bible!' and then they (a la Ken Wiens) go on
 and try to interpret their way AWAY from what the Bible is
 saying.  They miss the point completely.  For the above
 example, it doesn't matter if it was speaking of Babylonian
 children, or any specific children, there is NO excuse for
 dashing children's brains against stones.  They miss that,
 inferring that it is just fine in certain circumstances,
 etc. (like, when YHVH does it).

 Hell, a good case could be made that WE freethinkers in here
 actually adhear to the Bible more closely than the Fundies
 do . . .

 Helping  \/tian
 To Stop  /\tortion
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 Richard Smith

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