(3)     Tue 28 Oct 97 12:17
By: Sheppard Gordon
To: All
Re: Jack Loses Meta_UFO - 5
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 Date: 10-27-97 (11:38)
 To: Don Allen
 From: Jack Sargeant
 Subj: Maha's Lament
 Conf: F_META_UFO

This was sent to me by a friend. My comments are at the bottom...

>      I did also at first, but then they started with the heavy foot
> almost immediately and with these latest announcements we see where
> their heads are at.  I might have to leave to because I will not
> stay on an echo where the moderators are heavy handed.  I've had
> enough of that in the past.
>  With Julie she would let us roam and use a gentle
> hand to bring us back.  This is what I'm looking for.  Maybe Ivy who
> as a
> fair hand in this matters would volumteer to start a new echo.
>      At the moment it is a toss up if I stay or go.

 > JS>You are making a mountain of a mole hill. ...And you obviously need a
 > JS>moderator who will show a presense. ...Until you can prove otherwise.

 > It's comments like yours above which give solid credence to
 > your detractors here and your arch-nemesis on Skeptic. You do
 > know that Sheppard and Freddie Rice will parade your
 > heavy-handed antics here for some time to come, on their turf.
 > Further, it seems evident from my perusal of the message
 > traffic here for the last few days that the one that made the
 > mountain out of the molehill was yourself with your disregard
 > for the conferees. Not to put too fine of a point on it but
 > without the overwhelming support of the conference's
 > participants, you won't have an area where people will want to
 > visit and message with each other. Clearly, as has been shown
 > time and time again in Fidonet echoes, people vote with their
 > feet and with netmails and emails when they feel they are
 > getting a raw deal with an overbearing Moderator spinning
 > wildly out of control.
 >
 > I might remind you that when you called me voice regarding the
 > events that have transpired here the last few days, I was
 > extremely specific and to the point when I gave you harsh
 > criticism of your actions here. As for my "sick ideas" as you
 > have termed it, bluntly, I told you to drop Roger as your
 > co-mod and suggested Pen would be a more appropriate choice.
 > Neither you or Roger understand a most important issue - this
 > echo did not require heavy Moderator actions. The conferees on
 > this echo have demonstrated that they aren't children requiring
 > you to indulge your overbearing ego as a control. They are
 > quite capable and indeed, have proven to conduct themselves as
 > mature adults over a long period of time. Julie and Clark
 > exhibited a light touch when needed and that was all it ever
 > required. Did it ever dawn on you why the echo was successful
 > and had so much message traffic? From reading the patronizing
 > comments of yours to others on here as the Moderator, it is
 > apparent to me you did not understand the reasons why the echo
 > did so well.
 >
 > As a supporting founding member of this conference I find it
 > abhorrent that you would be so petty to make issues out of the
 > spelling of "xtian" and to suggest that "crap" was some kind of
 > vulgar word not worthy of using in messages is totally
 > ridiculous. Furthermore, and read this s l o w l y - this echo
 > was never intended to become a bashing ground between
 > Christians and adherents of the wiccan philosophy. This echo
 > has become a haven for the displaced conferees of the NEW_AGE
 > conference from the ilk of Thunderchicken and his bizarro
 > shemale sidekick who demonstrated themselves to be censoring
 > control freaks. The absolute last thing anyone needed here is
 > the same repetitious behavior pattern being foisted upon the
 > people here who just want to message with each other here in
 > peace. The guiding document for this conference isn't limited
 > to just the official Rules, it's the Rights and
 > Responsibilities statement that gives it meaning and purpose.
 > Did you not understand the intention behind that document?
 >
 > Finally, having read ahead, I see that you have relinquished
 > the echo and so one wonders did you learn a lesson here? If it
 > ain't broke, don't fix it. The echo didn't need fixing, it
 > needed your support and _quiet_ guidance.


I made one official moderator ruling during my tenure. I reluctantly gave
Barton a 30 day vacation for calling 2 different conferees a bigot withing a
one hour time span. (You gave me a vacation for saying >less< to Steve Chong.
)  BTW, I even got a public thank you from 2 people for that action against
Barton, including, guess-who? ...None other than Julie Presson herself.

Re: "Crap" and "X-tian"   I made no rulings on the use of these terms. I
expressed an opinion only. I even made a point of saying the words were
allowable.

It was plain that I would not be able to express opinions in this echo after
only a few days, because there was always the fact that it was the MODERATOR
expressing the opinion. In other words, I was doomed in advance, because
nobody would allow Jack Sargeant to express his views. If the views were
unpopular, then they were looked upon as "official."  All these tirades and
diatribe, including yours, are about 2 friggin' words, "Crap" and "X-tian,"
that I specifically said COULD be used. In other words, I was held in low
esteem for expressing an >un-official< opinion.

Finally, there was no way I was entitled to an opposing view without the
"moderator" stigma being attached by a suspicious, uncaring, unreasonable,
non-adult group (in hind-sight).

Other than YOUR opinion of my >un-official< opinions, and THEIR opinions of
my >un-official< views, there were dozens and dozens of messages either to me
or about me over my >un-official< views. THAT is fairness?  I think not.

I have asked my friend to stop sending me these "tidbits" from you and others
on this echo. I cannot reply to what I cannot read. I have turned-off SKEPTIC
and will turn this one off momentarily (again). I don't need any more grief.

Good luck, and good bye, Don Allen. I'll not be a bother to you again.

Jack


It's not your wit and charm I appreciate, it's your long absences.

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