(33) Thu 5 Jun 97 15:23 By: Don Martin To: Esther Steinbach Re: special rights case St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:20c3 22c57ae0 @PID: BWMAX2 3.20 [Reg] @MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 33971adf @REPLY: 1:123/527.0 3396499e Esther Steinbach said "special rights case" to Don Martin, adding: ES> Hi, folks. Having come into this discussion late, I MUST ask just ES> what it is that Mr. Young says "could not have been alcoholic." DM> Wine. The little blivet imagines that the stuff DM> referred to in the Bible as "wine" was really grape DM> juice. Noah and Lot were simply allergy sufferers. ES> Allergy sufferers?? That's a good one. I guess they had ES> too much Benadryl, eh? ES> I'm wondering if one of the really knowledgeable people ES> in this echo can tell me just what is the etiology of ES> certain Christians' aversion to alcoholic beverages? ES> Did this start during the time of the drive for ES> Prohibition in this country, or does the origin lie ES> elsewhere? These little shits _gave_ us prohibition. The fundy, eternally gnawed by the fear that somebody, somewhere, might possibly be enjoying hirself, suffers from a bipolar mind. Its only solution to _any_ human_ problem is to prohibit the relevant behavior. The Temperence movement (which always defined temperence not as "moderation" but as total abstinence: fundies do wonderful things with language, too) was big in this country in the 19th century. To be sure, there was a lot of drunkeness here: a recent article in the Scientific American estimates that in 1820, the per capita consumption in this country was around 7.5 gallons of the equivalent of whiskey per year: that was for every man, woman, and child, but the men took care of most of it. That per capita figure is now around 2.5 gallons, and there is no shortage of drunks these days. (A year ago, there was something of a flap as distillers broke their self-imposed ban to test TV advertising in the San Antonio market--their gross sales are down something like 35% in the past 15 years and they are getting understandably desperate--we _are_ drinking less). Given the fact that many husbands were drunken sots, families had some real problems and the temperence movement was very attractive to women: they rallied behind Carrie Nation to form the WCTU (Women's Christian Temperence Union) toward the end of the century. It is something of a tribute to the gentility of bartenders in thopse halcyon days that Carrie Nation was not sent packing with a baseball bat broken over her little head: lacking the vote, the ladies opposed Demon Rum by mobbing bars and chopping open barrels of the stuff (Carrie's symbol was a hatchet). The WCTU was good at getting out the vote, stuffing envelopes and providing gruntwork for candidates who agreed with them. This was particularly telling during WWI, when booze production was downplayed for the "war effort" anyway, and when many "wet" male voters were away from the polls in Europe. The Prohibition Amendment was passed by Congress in December 1917 and ratified by the similarly "dry" state legislatures in January 1919 (2 months after the Armistice). Like all prohibitions, this one affected the poor and the powerless, but that was the point, so far as the WCTU was concerned. Rich people, with their wine cellars, could afford to be sots; working men could not. However, the pennies of the poor, taken together, add up to a tidy sum, enough to launch organized crime as an ongoing industry in this country. Without the 18th Amendment, we might have avoided the heroin and cocaine plagues run by this diversified industry. ... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View (don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov) --- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 * Origin: Nerve Center - Where the spine is misaligned! (1:261/1000) SEEN-BY: 12/12 24/888 102/2 943 105/72 106/2000 114/262 441 124/1 130/1 SEEN-BY: 130/1008 133/2 143/1 147/34 2021 167/166 170/400 202/777 1207 SEEN-BY: 213/213 218/2 801 890 900 901 907 270/101 275/429 280/1 169 SEEN-BY: 282/1 62 283/120 284/29 300/603 310/666 322/739 323/107 324/278 SEEN-BY: 343/600 346/250 352/3 356/18 371/42 377/86 382/92 387/5 388/1 SEEN-BY: 396/1 45 690/660 730/2 2401/0 2442/0 3603/420 3612/41 300 3615/50 SEEN-BY: 3619/25 3632/21 3651/9 3652/1 3667/1 3828/2 @PATH: 261/1000 1180 1137 270/101 396/1 218/907 801