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                [Originally] compiled by David Schuetz
                      (dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu)
                  With help from all over the world!

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The FAQ is broken down into four sections, as follows:

        Section 1 - General Information
                      The first section is general information, and
		      includes stuff like Echoes subscription procedures,
		      lists of tour personnel, set lists, etc.

        Section 2 - The Early Years
                      The second section covers their "early years," that
		      is, Piper through Obscured by Clouds.

        Section 3 - The Glory Years
                      The third section is the "glory years" (and any
		      discussion regarding this time frame *not* being
		      the time of their greatest glory will be ignored).
		      This section covers DSOTM through the Wall.

        Section 4 - After the Wall, Solo Albums, and Other Stuff

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Section 1 - General Information

01.  "Do I have to read all this stuff?"
02.  "Some useful abbreviations..."
03.  "Who is Pink Floyd anyway, and what's his real name?"
04.  "Where did Pink Floyd get their name?"
05.  "All these lineup changes confuse me..."
06.  "What albums have Pink Floyd released?"
07.  "What videos can I find of Pink Floyd?"
08.  "Did the bands who preceeded Pink Floyd ever make any records?"
09.  "Are they working on a new album?"
10.  "What rare or unreleased songs are 'out there?'"
11.  "Hey!  Has anyone else seen this 'Objects of Fantasy' album?"
12.  "What are some good books relating to Pink Floyd?"
13.  "Are there any Pink Floyd fanzines?"
14.  "Will Waters ever come back?"
15.  "Which Floyd is better?"
16.  "What kind of artwork is available for Floyd records/CDs?"
17.  "What are some very rare releases or packages?"
18.  "Are the gold CDs any better than the regular ones?"
19.  "What were the working titles for some songs/albums?"
20.  "A Collection of Great Concert Setlists"
21.  "Who played on the various tours, (other than Floyd)?
22.  "What is the address of Pink Floyd's management?"
23.  "What is this 'Holophonics' stuff, anyway?"
24.  "UAQs (Unanswered Asked Questions)"
25.  "General Trivia...."
26.  "I found this paper on an Internet site, have you seen it?"

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01.  "Do I have to read all this stuff?"

Yes!  The main reason behind having an FAQ is so that people don't keep asking 
the same old questions day after day after day..... It frees up fans for
discussions about new topics & such, and keeps them from having to rehash old
debates/arguments for the 252nd time.  Yes, there's a helluva lot of stuff 
to read here, but there's a lot that new fans may want to know right off that
they'll find right here.  

This FAQ is rapidly turning from a list of common questions to a Net-generated
Pink Floyd Reference Work.  It is heartily recommended that you keep a copy 
nearby, either on-line or printed.  


"Where did this FAQ list come from?"

  In early 1991, David Schuetz began to tire of seeing the same questions
appearing in public fourms.  In late April, the FAQ was formally begun, and
it was his "baby" for nearly three years.  In those years, it grew from 
just a few pages to more than 60!  In late 1993, it became apparent that 
David just didn't have the time to work on it anymore (for reasons far too
numerous to mention), though he remains as interested as ever in seeing it
continued by another able body.  In early 1994, David published the final
version of the FAQ that he'd be responsible for (version 2.9).

At that point.... [who knows?]



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02.  "Some useful abbreviations..."

On the net, and throughout this FAQ, there are in use quite a few 
abbreviations.  We're lazy people, and don't like to type more than we
have to.  So, to help you understand what follows:

 PF    : Pink Floyd
 PATGOD: Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
 ASOS  : A Saucerful Of Secrets
 AHM   : Atom Heart Mother
 OBC   : Obscured By Clouds
 ANP   : A Nice Pair
 DSOTM : Dark Side Of The Moon
 TGGITS: The Great Gig In The Sky
 WYWH  : Wish You Were Here
 MLOR  : A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
 DSOT  : Delicate Sound of Thunder
 TFC   : The Final Cut
 TPCOHH: The Pros And Cons Of HitchHiking
 +-oHH : The Pros And Cons Of HitchHiking 
 TAP   : The Amazing Pudding (a PF Fanzine)
 BD    : Brain Damage (another PF Fanzine)
 BTW   : by the way
 IMHO  : In my humble opinion
 ROIO  : Recording Of Illegitimate Origin - concert tape, studio outtake, etc.
 oreo  : bastardization of ROIO
 SOYCD : Shine On you Crazy Diamond
 ABITW : Another Brick in the Wall
 OoTD  : One of These Days


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03.  "Who is Pink Floyd anyway, and what's his real name?"

   Pink Floyd is not a person, they are a band.  Pink Floyd's
membership has changed over the years, especially before they ever
released an album.  The *recorded* Pink Floyd lineups are as follows:

Version 0.9: 
	Syd Barrett	Guitar
	Bob Close	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums

Version 1.0: 
	Syd Barrett	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums
Albums:
	_Piper_at_the_Gates_of_Dawn_

Version 1.1: (after Syd became difficult to work with due to mental collapse)
	Syd Barrett	Guitar
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums	
Albums:
	_A_Saucerful_of_Secrets_
	(with Syd playing at least some guitar on "Jugband Blues," "Remember
	a Day" and "Corporal Clegg")

Version 2.0: (after Syd was dropped altogether)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums	
Albums:
	_More_ through _The_Wall_

Version 2.1: (after Wright was forced by Waters to leave the band)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Nick Mason	Drums	
Albums:
	_The_Final_Cut_

Version 3.0: (after Waters quit the band, assuming it would then die)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Nick Mason 	Drums
Albums:
	_A_Momentary_Lapse_of_Reason_

Version 3.1: (after Wright rejoined the band midway through MLOR tour)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason 	Drums
Albums:
	_Delicate_Sound_of_Thunder_



And, the members' full names, and birthdays:

Roger Keith (Syd) Barrett	6 January, 1946
George Roger Waters		9 September, 1943
Richard William Wright		28 July, 1945
Nicholas Berkeley Mason		27 January, 1945
David Jon Gilmour		6 March, 1946


The original lineup of Pink Floyd was as follows:

Roger Waters, lead guitar
Clive Metcalf, bass
Richard Wright, keyboards
Nick Mason, drums
Juliette Gale, vocals
Keith Noble, vocals

At this stage, they were not yet called Pink Floyd (these were the
Abdabs), and mostly played rhythm and blues songs.  Juliette later
married Wright, and she, Noble, and Metcalf all quit the band.  Waters
then brought in Bob Close and Syd Barrett for guitars, then later
Close left, leaving the original recorded Pink Floyd lineup.



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04.  "Where did Pink Floyd get their name?"

It had often been said that it came to Syd in a vision.  Before
being called Pink Floyd, they were known as "The Pink Floyd Sound,"
"The Meggadeaths," "The Abdabs," "The Screaming Abdabs," "The
Architectual Abdabs," "The T-Set," and Sigma 6.  The name Pink Floyd
came from an album Syd had by two Georgia blues artists, Pink Anderson
and Floyd Council.

About 1965, Floyd formed as Sigma 6.  Then the changed to T-set,
than Meggadeaths, Abdabs (with variations), and finally in late '65,
became Pink Floyd.


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05.  "All these lineup changes confuse me..."

Here is a "Family Tree" of the Floyd that might ease some confusion.
It is still incomplete (it would be nice to include perturbations in "Joker's 
Wild" and such, for instance, as well as the other *people* involved with
Floyd, like Tim Renwick and Storm Thorgeson, for instance, not to mention
solo work), but there's only so much you can do in 80-column ASCII anyway...


[Band names are in double quotes ("this is a band"), and album names are
in all caps towards the right (THIS IS AN ALBUM) (sometimes abbreviated)]



                            "The Mottoes"
Geoff Mott (Motlow)  Syd Barrett  Nobby Clarke  Clive Wellham   Tony Santi
    vocals             guitar       guitar          drums          bass
-------+-----------------+----------------------------+---------------+----
       |                 |                            |               |
 to "Boston Crabs"   to "Hollering Blues"             +---+-----------+
      (vocals)                   (bass)                   |
                                                          |
                                                          |
                                                          |
                           "The Ramblers"                 |
                           "Joker's Wild"                 |
               John Gordon   John Altham                  |
David Gilmour     rhythm     guitar, sax,  Clive Wellham  | Tony Santi
   guitar         guitar      keyboards       drums       |    bass
----------------------------------------------------------+-----------


                        "Sigma Six"
                        "T-Set"
                        "Megadeaths"
                        "Architectual Abdabs"
                        "Screaming Abdabs"
                        "Abdabs"
             Richard Wright            Clive Metcalf               Keith Noble
Roger Waters    rhythm g.   Nick Mason     bass      Juliette Gale   vocals
 lead guitar                  drums                      vocals
-----------.-.-.------------------------------------------------------------
            \|/
             |                              "Blues Anonymous"
             |                                      |
             |  "The Pink Floyd Sound"              |
Roger Waters |  Richard Wright   Nick Mason   Syd Barrett   Bob Close
   bass      | keyboards, cello    drums         guitar       guitar
-------------+--------------.-.-.--------------------------------------
                             \|/
                              |
                              |
                              |  "The Pink Floyd"
Syd Barrett     Roger Waters  |  Richard Wright  Nick Mason               PIPER
  guitar            bass      |    keyboards       drums
----------------------------+-+---------------------------
                            |
                            |
            "Joker's Wild"  |
                   |        | "Pink Floyd"
Roger Waters  David Gilmour | Syd Barrett  Richard Wright  Nick Mason      ASOS
   bass          guitar     |   guitar       keyboards       drums
----------------------------+---------------------------------------
                            |
                            |
                            |
                            | "Pink Floyd"
Roger Waters  David Gilmour | Richard Wright  Nick Mason       MORE, UMMAGUMMA,
   bass          guitar     |   keyboards       drums         AHM, MEDDLE, OBC,
----------------------------+------+-------------------            DSTOM, WYWH,
                            |      |                              ANIMALS, WALL
                            |      |
                            |      +------------------------+
                            |                               |
                            | "Pink Floyd"                  |
Roger Waters  David Gilmour |   Nick Mason        TFC       |
   bass          guitar     |     drums                     | "Zee"   IDENTITY
----------------------------+------------       Dave Harris | Richard Wright
                            |                     guitar    |    keyboards
                            |                   ------------+-------+--------
                            |                                       |
                            | "Pink Floyd"                          |
              David Gilmour |   Nick Mason      AMLOR, DSOT,        |
                 guitar     |     drums         SHINE ON            |
              --------------+-------------                          |
                            |                                       |
                            |                       +---------------+
                            |                       |
                            | "Pink Floyd"          |
              David Gilmour |   Nick Mason   Richard Wright          ATTSOR (?)
                 guitar     |     drums         keyboards
              --------------+------------------------------
                            |
                            |
                        ?????????


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06.  "What albums have Pink Floyd released?"

Without starting a detailed discography, here is a list of all
albums released by Pink Floyd as a band.  Following that is a list of
other albums on which Floyd appears, then a list of solo albums.  


			  Pink Floyd Albums

[a "#" indicates that the collection is not currently available on CD]

			  "Regular catalog"

 The Piper at the Gates of Dawn		1967
 A Saucerful of Secrets			1968
 More					1969	
 Ummagumma				1969	
 Atom Heart Mother			1970
 Meddle					1971	
 Obscured by Clouds			1972
 Dark Side of the Moon			1973
 Wish You Were Here			1975
 Animals				1977
 The Wall				1979
 The Final Cut				1983
 A Momentary Lapse of Reason		1987
 Delicate Sound of Thunder		1988


			"Special" releases

#Best of Pink Floyd			1970*	(compilation, Dutch)
#Relics					1971	(compilation)
#A Nice Pair				1973	(Piper & ASOS as double-lp)
#Dark Side of the Moon			1973	(DJ Promo EP w/4 songs)
#Tour '75				1975+	(DJ Promo--studio tracks)
#Off the Wall				1979	(DJ Promo EP)
 A Collection of Great Dance Songs 	1981	(compilation)
 Works					1983	(compilation, w/"Embryo")
 Shine On - Special 9 CD Box Set	1992&	(re-masters and early singles)
 Shine On - Selections from the Box	1992^
 Dark Side of the Moon XX		1993    (special 20th anniversary ed.)

* Rereleased throughout Europe as "Masters of Rock, Vol. 1" in 1974
+ Capitol's attempt to get back catalog moving.  Contained: "The Gold It's 
  in the....," "Wots...Uh The Deal," "Free Four," "Fat Old Sun," "One of
  These Days," "Astronomy Domine," and "Careful With That Axe, Eugene."
& Contains re-mastered CDs of: ASOS, Meddle, DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, Wall, 
  AMLOR, and a CD (mostly mono) of their first 5 singles.  Also includes 
  a nice hardcover book, several "postcards," and "minimalist" packaging for
  the albums themselves.  See also FAQ entry on Rare Songs. The "Bonus CD"
  of early singles is now apparently available separately in Britain.
^ Contains "See Emily Play," "Set the Controls...," "OoTD," "Money,"
  "SOYCD [edit]," "Dogs," "Comfortably Numb," "ABITW2," and "One Slip."

			Honorable Mention

 Objects of Fantasy			1989	(Orchestral cover versions)


	    Other Albums/Movies On Which Floyd are Featured
 Tonite Let's All Make Love In London (soundtrack)  	1968
 Zabriskie Point (soundtrack)				1970
#Picnic (Harvest label sampler)				1970
 Knebworth: The Album (Two Floyd songs only)		1990	
 La Carrera Panamericana				1991

			     Solo Albums
 Syd Barrett	The Madcap Laughs		1970
 Syd Barrett	Barrett				1970
 Roger Waters	Music from The Body		1970*
#Syd Barrett	Syd Barrett			1974**
 David Gilmour	David Gilmour			1978
 Richard Wright	Wet Dream			1978
 Nick Mason	Ficticious Sports		1981
 David Gilmour	About Face			1984
 Roger Waters	Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking	1984
#Zee 		Identity			1984+
 Nick Mason	Profiles			1985++ 
 Roger Waters	When The Wind Blows (sndtk)	1986&
 Roger Waters	Radio Kaos			1987
 Syd Barrett	The Peel Sessions (EP)		1988
 Syd Barrett	Opel (compilation/rare tracks)	1988
 Roger Waters	The Wall--Live Berlin		1990
 Syd Barrett	Octopus	("Best of")		1992
 Roger Waters	Amused to Death			1992

*  With Ron Gessin, a soundtrack
** _Madcap_ and _Barrett_ repackaged as a double album
+  Zee was a band comprised of Richard Wright and Dave Harris
++ With Rick Fenn of 10cc, and features Gilmour with vocals on one track
&  Second side of album features Waters & Bleeding Heart Band


There are also several interview picture discs floating around, both
on vinyl and on CD, but beware--some of them feature pictures of old
(Syd-era) Floyd, but contain interviews with AMLOR-era Floyd members.

[example: the "Limited Edition Picture Disc Interview," part of the 
TALKING PICTURE series, lists two tracks:

       1: Interview 1981 [discussing _The Wall_ & beginnings of film]
       2: Interview 1986 [discussing [AMLOR]

The disc has pictures of very young Roger, Nick, Syd, and Rick.]

[If anyone has any transcripts of these or other interview discs, I'd like a 
copy for the archives. -- djs]


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07.  "What videos can I find of Pink Floyd?"

First, a list of longer "movies:"

   "Pink Floyd--Live at Pompeii"
	A "concert" filmed in an ancient ampitheatre in Pompeii in
	about 1972, also features interviews and some studio shots of 
	Floyd working on DSOTM.  Features "Echoes," "Careful With That 
	Axe, Eugene," "One of These Days I'm Going To Cut You Into Little 
	Pieces," "Madmoiselle Knobs," "A Saucerful of Secrets" and "Set 
	the Controls for the Heart of the Sun."

   "Pink Floyd--The Wall"
	The film version of the wall, directed by Alan Parker,
	starring Bob Geldof.  Includes all of _The Wall_, minus "Hey You,"
	plus "When The Tigers Broke Free," and with "Empty Spaces" replaced 
	by "What Shall We Do Now?"

	A deluxe letterboxed version from a new transfer on LaserDisc
	is now available (in CLV format).  Also inncludes the "Original
	Theatrical Trailer." 

   "Delicate Sound of Thunder"
	Video of the DSOT concert, filmed over two nights at Nassau Coliseum,
	Uniondale, New York (on Long Island).

   "David Gilmour--About Face Tour"
	Concert video of Gilmour's first solo tour (with Until We
	Sleep, All Lovers are Derranged, There's No Way Out Of
	Here, Short and Sweet, Run Like Hell, Out of the Blue, Blue
	Light, Murder, Have a Cigar, and Comfortably Numb) , with
	special guest appearances of Roy Harper (vocals on "Have a
	Cigar") and Nick Mason (drums on "Comfortably Numb"), and
	also two music videos (Blue Light and All Lovers are
	Derranged) & a 30 minute documentary segment

   "The Wall--Live In Berlin 1990" (Roger Waters)
	Video of the Wall performance in Berlin.

   "La Carrera Panamericana"
	A movie, produced by Steve O'Rourke (their manager), about a
	classic auto race up a highway in Mexico.  Dave, Steve, Nick, and
	some other chap all race in the film, which includes some 
	instrumentals & new music from Floyd (see item on "Didn't They 
  	Get In A Crash And Nearly Mangle Themselves To Death?")
	Tracks: "Run Like Hell," "Pan Am Shuffle," "Yet Another Movie,"
	"Sorrow," "Signs of Life," "Country Theme," "Mexico '78,"
	"Big Theme," "Run Like Hell," "One Slip," "Small Theme,"
	and "Pan Am Shuffle."  The band: David Gilmour, Nick Mason,
        Rick Wright, Jon Carin, Gary Wallis, Guy Pratt, Tim Renwick.
	Also available on laserdisc.


And now, some "MTV-like" videos and other sorts:

   "Pink Floyd--The Final Cut EP"
   	Video EP of the final cut.  Contains "the gunners dream," "the
	final cut," "not now john," and "the fletcher memorial home."
	Available in Europe, in VHS Hi-Fi (but PAL--won't work on US TV's).

   "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" (Roger Waters)
	video ep of the solo album

   "Radio KAOS" (Roger Waters)
	Four MTV-style videos.  Also available on LaserDisc (CAV).  
	Includes "Radio Waves," "Sunset Strip," "The fish report with 
	"a beat," "4 Minutes," and "The Tide is Turning (live)."

    "Learning to Fly" (story and live stuff)
    "Dogs of War" (story and live stuff)
    "One Slip" (from La Carrera Panamericana)
    "On the Turning Away" (from DSofT video)
    "One of These Days" (from DSofT video)
    "Comfortably Numb" (from DSofT video)
    "Welcome to the Machine" (Gerald Scarfe animation)
    "Brain Damage/Eclipse" (story)
    "Another Brick in the Wall Part II" (from Wall movie)
    "When The Tigers Broke Free" (from Wall movie)


    "Amnesty International Big 30"
         "The David Gilmour Band" performs "On The Turning Away."
         Gilmour backs Seal on "Hey Joe," plays with Andrew Strong (from
         the movie "The Committments") on "Hard to Handle," and also plays 
         bass with: David St. Hubbins (vocals, bass), Derek Smalls (bass),
         Pino Palladino (bass) and Tim Renwick (bass) on Spinal Top's 
         "Big Bottom."
      In The David Gilmour Band was: 
         Gary Wallis, Tim Renwick, Jon Carin, Sam Brown, Pino Palladino, 
         Jody Linscott, Margo Buchanon, Julie Harrington, Ian Harrison, 
         Dave Bishop, Stuart Brooks, Mark Nightingal, 
      Assisted by: Barry Knight, Phil Taylor, Cris Burns, Clint Driftwood,
         Simon Perks, Andy Jackson


Finally, there's lots of stuff out there in the non-official markets.  A
popular example of such material is the "Video Anthology" which collects 
many of the visual works by Pink Floyd.  Unfortunately, it is a ROIO, 
and lacks as much in terms of quality as it does legality.  However, here is 
the listing of bits on that tape, if only to provide a better idea of what
videos Floyd have done (provided by Scott Frank):

   Arnold Layne (excerpt from promo)
   Interstellar Overdrive (excerpt from Granada TV)
   Syd Barrett Interveiw (BBC - ~30 secs long)
   The Scarecrow (Pathe Newsreel)
   Apples and Oranges (promo - the one w/ Roger lip-synching)
   See Emily Play (promo)
   A Saucerful of Secrets (excerpts from 1968 & mid 70's)
   Astronomy Domine (promo)
   The Scarecrow (promo)
   Set The Controls... (excerpts from 1968)
   Point Me At The Sky (promo)
   Atom Heart Mother (Tokyo)
   Cymbaline (KQED Studios 1970)
   Set The Controls...(Holland Pop Festival)
   A Saucerful Of Secrets (Holland Pop Festival)
   One Of These Days (from animated film "French Windows")
   Careful With That Axe, Eugene (Australian TV 1971)
   Set The Controls... (from "Heart Of The Sun" film - 1973)
   Careful With That Axe, Eugene ("Superstars In Concert" - 1973)
   Brian Damage/Eclipse (backdrop film - from MTV Weekend)
   Welcome To The Machine (backdrop film - from MTV Weekend)
   Pigs On The Wing (Battersea Power Station)
   The Happiest Days Of Our Lives (live in London - 1980)
   Another Brick In The Wall - part II (promo)
   A Collection Of Great Dance Songs (TV Commercial)
   Pink Floyd The Wall (theatrical trailer)
   When The Tigers Broke Free (promo)
   The Gunner's Dream (from the "Final Cut" video EP)
   The Final Cut (same as above)
   Not Now John (same as above)
   The Fletcher Memorial Home (same as above)
   A Momentary Lapse Of Reason (US TV AD)
   Learning To Fly - Version #1 (promo)
   On The Turning Away (live promo)
   Dogs Of War (live promo - from Pink Floyd Weekend, I think)
   Signs of Life (excerpt - from Pink Floyd Weekend on MTV)
   One Slip (live promo - Italian TV)
   Learning To Fly - Version #2 (promo)
   Win A Plane (MTV contest)


And in addition to all that (actually, some of it made it into the
Anthology) there was a "concert" recorded by KQED TV in October, 1971.  
They played:
	Atom Heart Mother
	Careful With That Axe, Eugene
	Cymbaline
	Green is the Colour
	Granchester Meadows
	Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun


And, finally, there are the films that get played behind the band. 
Here is a list, with brief descriptions, of some of these bits:

  "Welcome to the Machine" - surreal landscape, with a scorpion that likes 
   to behead people, waves of blood that turn into teeming masses clamoring 
   at tall marble towers.

  "Time" - blue sky, hundreds of clocks ticking along, merging, dissolving, 
   etc.

  "Us & Them" - started with a film about people crossing the street

  "Brain Damage/Eclipse" - politicians giving speeches

  "Signs of Life"  - someone canoeing and swimming along a river

  "Yet Another Movie" - the  "You're getting on that plane" scene from
    "Casablanca"

  "Dogs of War" has a video of dogs attacking, finally running up the stage
   (same camera-movement as at the start of "Shine On...")

  "Pigs on the Wing" - pig being launched and floating over the Battersea 
   Power Station


What Floyd videos are available on LaserDisc?

  in the us (ntsc format), i [bear] know of:
	pf - live at pompeii
	pf - the wall (std ("pan & scan"))
	pf - the wall (letterbox)
	pf - delicate sound of thunder
	pf - la carrera panamericana
	rw - radio kaos
	rw - the wall live in berlin
        rw - what god wants pt 1 (1 side 8 inch disc) [Japanese - from DAve]

  on PAL LaserDisc [from DAve:]
        pf - live at pompeii
        pf - the wall (std ("pan & scan"))
        rw - the wall live in berlin

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08.  "Did the bands who preceeded Pink Floyd ever make any records?"

Of all the permutations that Pink Floyd went through, none were ever 
commercially successful.  The only band which even released anything
was Joker's Wild, Gilmour's old band.  Their record was a one-sided LP,
and contained all cover versions:

    Beautiful Delilah (Chuck Berry)
    Why Do Fools Fall In Love (Frankie Lymon)
    Don't You Ask Me (Manfred Mann's arrangement) 
    Sherry (The Four Seasons)
    Big Girls Don't Cry (The Four Seasons)

They also recorded a single, Sam & Dave's "You Don't Know What I Know" with
Otis Redding's "That's How Strong My Love Is."  But the original version of
"You Don't Know" became popular at about the same time, and the single was
never even noticed.

[all this straight from the ASOS/Odessey book, p. 22]

It has been reported that this "lp" was limited to only about 50 copies,
and has recently sold for as much as #1000 (approx. $1800 US).


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09.  "Are they working on a new album?"

After having endured rumors of a new album at least twice a year for the 
past three years, Pink Floyd fans are finally going to enjoy a new album.

The current rumor is that the album will be called

	Awaken to the Sense of Reality

and will be released on

	March 22.

Beyond that, we don't know much of anything about the album.  They have 
a new set of "images" for the album & tour, including, it appears, a blimp.
The tour should start in the US/Canada sometime around June, and will 
likely continue through the end of the year.  

We're also told that the concerts will be "different" than last tour, 
that they'll be "like nothing ever seen before," and will include no movies,
but lots of lasers.


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10.  "What rare or unreleased songs are 'out there?'"

Many fans were disappointed with the Shine On boxed set.  Though we'd
wanted clean versions of many of the albums, this set didn't really
fill a musical void.  Most fans already had all the CDs anyway.  What
many fans were hoping for was a collection of rare, unreleased, and
live tracks, as well as (perhaps) a continuing "One from the Vault"
series of entire concerts (like the Grateful Dead are doing).

Here is a list of (perhaps) all the known non-album Pink Floyd tracks.  Many
of these are availble illegaly.  Some have never been heard by the general
public.  Some may not even exist.

 Arnold Layne			- single
 Candy and a Currant Bun	- back of "Arnold Lane"
 See Emily Play			- single
 Apples and Oranges		- single
 Paint Box			- back of "Apples and Oranges"
 It Would Be So Nice		- single
 Julia Dream			- back of "It Would Be So Nice"
 Point Me At The Sky		- single
 Point Me At The Sky		- 'extended'--a "live" in the studio version
 Careful With That Axe, Eugene	- back of "Point Me At The Sky"
 The Gnome			- rare mix on back of "Flaming" single

 Biding My Time			- from _Relics_
 Scream Thy Last Scream  	- Late Syd song
 Vegetable Man			- Late Syd song
 Embryo				- Ummagumma outtake*

 Crumbling Land			- From "Zabriskie Point" soundtrack
 Heart Beat, Pig Meat		- "Zabriskie"
 Come In #51, Your Time Is Up	- "Zabriskie"
 Fingal's Cave			- "Zabriskie" outtake
 Oeneno				- "Zabriskie" outtake
 Rain In The Country		- "Zabriskie" outtake

 Hollywood			- _More_ outtake (Gilmour)**
 Seabirds			- _More_ outtake (Waters)**
 Theme (Beat Version)		- _More_ outtake (entire band)**

 Madamoiselle Knobs		- from the "Pompeii" movie

 What Shall We Do Now?		- from "The Wall" movie
 When The Tigers Broke Free	- from "The Wall" movie, later a single

 Not Now John (obscured)	- 
 The Hero's Return, Part II	- Parts 1 & 2 on back of "Not Now John"
				-   obscured version single

 Interstellar Overdrive		- the earliest recording, on "Tonight Let's
				-   All Make Love in London"
 Nick's Boogie			- also on "Tonight..."

 Raving and Drooling		- later became "Sheep"
 You Gotta Be Crazy		- later became "Dogs"
 On The Run			- early live jam 
 Great Gig in the Sky		- early live version, w/radio evangelists
 The Violent Sequence		- part eventually became "Us and Them"+

 music from The Committee	- A movie they did incidentals for
 Moonhead			- from BBC tv ++
 The Baby Blue Shuffle in D Minor- just a jam

 Lucyleave			- [dunno]
 King Bee			- blues song, covered by the Rolling Stones and
				-  attributed either to "Moore" or "Slim Harpo"
 Silas Lane                     - from very early "basement" sessions, 1966
 Reaction in G			- 12 October 1967
 Keep Smiling People		- 1 September 1968

 Sh-Boom			- a 1954 "Crew Cuts" hit covered by Mason/Fenn
 _White of the Eye_ soundtrack	- scored by Mason/Fenn
 Peace Be With You		- from MLOR, a 'good luck' message to Waters
 Bitter Love			- aka "How do You Feel," unreleased 1975

 Across the Universe		- Waters, on 1986 BBC special for John Lennon
    (the Beatles' song)		-     with help from Andy Fairweather-Low 
 Going to Live in LA		- Waters KAOS single
 Molly's Song			- Waters KAOS single

"Religious Experience"          - EMI outtake w/Barret & Kevin Ayers, Jan 1970
Bob Dylan Blues			- found listed on an EMI studios logsheet

"Merry Christmas Song"		- Nick Mason & Alan Styles on John Peel Show,
				-     December 1975 (with advice from Roger)

(and a few other songs, mostly just instrumental jams from concerts, etc.)


* This piece has many live recordings, and a studio version was finally 
released on _Works_.  A demo version was accidentally released on _Picnic_
(a Harvest label sampler).  Originally intended to be a part of Ummagumma.

** These songs were found in a volume of copyrighted musical works.  I
seem to recall that "Seabirds" had lyrics, while the others were
instrumentals.  They may have appeared in the film, but were ommitted
from the album.  Also, the music for "Seabirds" has apparently been
published in a music book at some time.

+ This was originally written for the movie _Zabriskie Point_ and was 
performed during some of their tours of the period as a 20 minute piece 
including bits of "Heart Beat, Pig Meat."  The piano solo near the end was
eventually used as the basis for "Us and Them."  The sequence the song was
written for involved riots or somesuch being shown in slow motion....

++ [from Adam Winstanley]: Moonhead was included as part of a documentary
on BBC TV on the night of the first moon landing. It was in an "arts"
series called Omnibus, this particular programme being about people's
differing perceptions of the moon through time (a goddess, lunatics,
romantic moonlight, were-wolves baying at it ... etc. etc.) The programme
was subtitled "What if it's just green cheese."


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11.  "Hey!  Has anyone else seen this 'Objects of Fantasy' album?"

Yes.  We all know about it.  In fact, many of us already own it, and have
for a couple years.  But it wasn't really a big seller, and copies are still 
popping up from time to time.

The album is all orchestral covers of Pink Floyd songs, performed by the
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.  It was arranged, conducted, and produced by 
David Palmer, who did similar albums of Jethro Tull and Genesis. 

The album includes:

 Run Like Hell
 Another Brick in the Wall 1/Happiest Days of our Lives/ABITW 2
 Goodbye Blue Sky
 Money
 Hey You
 Wish You Were Here
 On The Turning Away
 Shine On You Crazy Diamond (parts 1-5)
 When The Tigers Broke Free/Eclipse

Generally, it's not bad, but sometimes it borders on "elevator music."  
Interesting listening, at the least.  A few of the tracks contain vocals.
Also on the album are Steve Hackett (from Genesis), and Clare Torry.

Recently, I have seen this album with a new cover and a new title:
_Orchestral_Maneuvers_.  It's exactly the same album, just a different
name.


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12.  "What are some good books relating to Pink Floyd?"

There have been several books published regarding Floyd.  It is also rumored
that Nick Mason is working with Storm Thorgerson (of Hipgnosis fame) on their 
own book.  Here is a listing of some of them, with a few comments:

	"The Work Of Hipgnosis - Walk Away Rene" published by Paper Tiger (UK)
	ISBN 0-905895088
	Believed to be out of print, this book details the work of the 
	graphics team who did many of Pink Floyd's covers.

	"Pink Floyd Lyric Book" published by Chappel Music Ltd
	ISBN 0 71371 280 5
	Contains two interviews with Roger Waters, from 1975 & 1982

	"Pink Floyd: A Visual Documentary by Miles" published by Omnibus Press
	ISBN 0-7119-1444-3
	An excellent reference.

	"Saucerful Of Secrets: The Pink Floyd Odyssey" by Nicholas Schaffner
	 published by Harmony Books
	ISBN 0 283 06127 8
	A superb book, detailing Floyd from the very very early days to 
	the present time.  Often called "The Book" by Echoes, and generally
	regarded as a must-have.  The UK edition has only 18 pictures,
	compared to 34 in the us edition.  There is also a paperback edition.

	"Pink Floyd: Bricks In The Wall" by Karl Dallas published 
		by Shaposky Publishers

	"The Pros & Cons of Hitch Hiking (songbook)" by Roger Waters
	 ISBN 0-7119-1959-3

	"Pink Floyd: Anthology" published by Hal Leonard Publishing Corp.
	 ISBN 0-88188-445-6

	"Crazy Diamond - Syd Barrett & the Dawn of Pink Floyd" 
	by Mike Watkinson & Pete Anderson published by Omnibus Press 
	ISBN 0-7119-2397-3

	"A Journey Through Time and Space with Pink Floyd"
	Another great book (according to Echosians).  Available for
	something like $15 from the author (maybe also through Hip Cat):
		Jon Rosenberg/PF Archives
		803 E. Spooner Road
		Milwaukee, WI 52317-2829

        "Rock Sets - The Astonishing Art Of Concert Design"
        Thames And Hudson, 30 Bloomsbury Street, London WC1B 3QP
	ISBN 0 - 500 - 27697 - 8
        A picture book of concerts that Fisher Park has designed.  
        Includes lots of information & photos from the Berlin concert,
        plus some coverage of the Animals, Wall, P&C and KAOS tours.
        145 color photos & 3 8-page foldouts

Many music books are available, mostly exclusively through Music Sales
Corporation:
	(Animals Songbook) - 90pp, 45 of which are sheet music.  Remainder
	is filled with newspaper clippings, photographs, pictures, and
	two pages of the "Equipment and Technical" portion of Floyd's
        touring contract.  Published by: Pink Floyd Music Publishers LTD.
        27 Noel Street, London W1V 3RD.

	(ATD songbook) ISBN 0-7119-3220-4


Exclusive distributors:

        Music Sales Corporation
        225 Park Avenue South
	NY, NY 10003 USA

	Music Sales Limited 
	8/9 Frith Street
	London W1V 5TZ England

	Music Sales PTY. Limited
	120 Rothschild Street, Rosebery
	Sydney, NSW 2018 Australia


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13.  "Are there any Pink Floyd fanzines?"

Yes, there are.  The foremost fanzine has always been "The Amazing 
Pudding," and "Brain Damage" has also been popular lately.  Here are some
addresses you can use to contact them:


The Amazing Pudding:

Subscriptions for the next six issues, including p&p, cost:

UK: 6.00   Europe: 6.90   USA/Canada: 8.40 
Australia/New Zealnd and Japan: 8.70

For details, write, including an SASE, to

In The UK:             In USA:                 Rest Of The Planet:

 Dave & Carole Walker   Ken Langford            Andy Mabbett
 81 Fossdale Moss       16385 West 8th Avenue   61 Meynell House
 Leyland                Golden                  Browns Green
 Preston PR5 3WS        Colorado 80401          Birmingham B20 1BE
 England                                        England
 (TEL: 0772 456508)                             


Brain Damage:

For details write, including an SASE, to

In UK/Australia/NZ/   In Europe/ Eire:         In USA/ Canada/ S. America:
Japan/Hong Kong/
South Africa:

 Glenn Povey           Michael Perricone        Hip Cat Records
 PO Box 385            Witikonerstasse 460      1089 W. Dundee Road
 Uxbridge              CH 8053                  Westmont, IL  60559
 Middlesex, UB9 5DZ    Zurich                   USA
 England               Switzerland             
 (TEL: 0895 833413)                             
                                                (TEL: (708) 537 0066)
[From Scott, re: Syd fanzine:]
       On the off chance that you feel inclined to purchase the
   Best of Clowns and Jugglers fanzine, you should write to John
   Kelly:

   John Kelly
   101 Amersham Road
   Terriers
   Highwycombe
   Bucks
   HP13 5AD England




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14.  "Will Waters ever come back?"

No.  The chances of that happening are about the same of somebody
who doesn't buy lottery tickets winning the 17 million dollar jackpot.
He feels that, as an entity, Floyd are "creatively spent" and that he
can get nothing more from such a partnership.  He also did not exactly
leave on friendly terms, and would have to do a lot of making up if he
wanted to return.  It is generally agreed upon by Echoers that the
others would work with him if he were interested, but that Waters
would not do so simply because they (Gilmour, Wright, Mason) would not
let him exercise the kind of complete control he did during their last
few albums with him.

It's simply not going to happen.


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15.  "Which Floyd is better?"

This comes up all the time, especially when new people join the
list and voice their opinions.  The problem with this question is that
*everyone* has their own thoughts on the matter, and that these
thoughts are entirely subjective.  Without going into any details, any
pros and/or cons of either Waters or Gilmour's writing, singing, or
playing styles, and without delving into the personalities of
different members of the band or the concepts they provided or the
concerts they performed, I'm just going to say that everyone likes or
dislikes any particular version of Floyd or the solo artists for
strictly personal reasons, and trying to convince anyone to change
these likes is going to be a futile effort.

Do not ask this question again.


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16.  "What kind of artwork is available for Floyd records/CDs?"

A lot, as any serious Floyd collector can probably tell you.  Here
is a list of known variations (all vinyl, unless otherwise noted):

Pink Floyd:	Some with paisley stripes, others with rainbow stripes.
Piper, ASOS:  	New reissues include "Fame" written across one corner.
Ummagumma:	The "album" leaning on the wall in some pressings is
		the soundtrack to "Gigi" (ommitted in US pressings due to
		copyright ownership problems).
OBC:  		Flat (non-glossy) cover.
Meddle:  	Textured (not smooth) cover, with no writing (import).
Relics:		Originally featured art by Nick Mason, a line-drawing
		of some weird (almost Dr. Seuss-like) cityscape.  Some
		had "Pink Floyd" in pink letters.  Later replaced with
		some weird "masks," which were in reality some bizarre
		form of bottle-openers.  The Australian CD featured
		old coins on the cover.   
DSOTM:  	Originally came with two posters--one of Egyptian
		pyramids viewed through a green filter, and one with
		pictures of the band in concert.  Also came with two
		stickers showing cartoon pyramids, moons, and other
		such images in various views with the words "Pink
		Floyd" (these can be seen on the "invisible man's"
		suitcase on the back of WYWH.) 
DSOTM:		Some imports have a different view of the pyramids, in blue.
A Nice Pair:	Early British pressings had a picture of the outside
		of "W. Phang"'s dentistry office, but he complained
		("Dentists aren't allowed to advertise,") so it was
		changed to show a picture of a monk gargling.  U.S.
		Versions have the "Phang" picture.  Both versions
		differ slightly in the arrangement and selection of
		inner-cover pictures.  
WYWH:		Originally came with a postcard of the "diver" in the
		lake.  I have seen two different views of the diver,
		one with a straight cut around the postcard, and one
		with a zigzag cut.  Originally released in dark purple 
		unmarked shrink wrap with only a round seal with the 
		robot handshake.
WYWH:		Also a rare gatefold cover, with the two outside being
		the fire and sand, and the two inside covers water & air.
MLOR:		Slightly different album cover--different angle to the
		photograph, the people were in different places.  Also
		included a poster.  A UK pressing.
ATD:		Special "Audiophile" 2-lp vinyl version.

Note that this list does not include Japanese pressing differences, as
there are many weird variations of things found from Japan, many of
which include lyric sheets that are often completely wrong! 

In addition to all these variants, there are the tower pressings of Piper,
ASOS, and More, plus all the albums that later had Universal Product
Codes added to them. 


Colored vinyl:
    Dark Side of the Moon: Blue, Clear, White, Pink, picture disc
    The Wall: Orange
    Atom Heart Mother: Grey(smoke coloured), Plum
    Wish You Were Here: Blue, clear, picture disc
    A Momentary Lapse Of Reason: White 
    Animals: Pink 
    One Slip, On the Turning Away, Money 12" : Pink

    And in Japan the first 6 albums(except for Ummagumma) were all pressed
    in red vinyl(each as a limited edition of 500 copies)


As long as we're talking about album artwork, here's a list of the original 
"label" artwork from the LPs:

	DSOTM:	 black label with white prism
	WYWH:	 black & blue line drawing of robot hands
	Animals: Fish-eye lens pictures of area around power station
	Wall:	 the wall, in various stages of construction, with
		 "appropriate" Gerald Scarfe characters
	TFC:	 Poppy fields & a dead soldier (w/knife in his back)
	AMLOR:   boat on water, beds
	KAOS:	 The "Radio KAOS" & song listing in green


And, for those of us who don't have a lot of Floyd CDs: (from Dave Cowl)

    Here is a quick list of what the Harvest CD's have (all from memory).

    WYWH has : The Black cover with the metallic hands and four background
     `scenes' (was on the top left corner of some vinyls here).
     + Men shaking hands w fire + red satin w woman behind 
     + lake w legs coming out vertically (in colour!) + invisible man 
       w clear vinyl of the album + man swimming in sand + `leaking 
       holes' w water pouring out amongst the lyrics.

    Animals has the monchrome pictures from the gatefold album. My CBS 
       version has bigger lyrics!

    The Wall has all the Scarfe drwaings from the album and the credits all 
       written in `graffiti' writing.

    The Final Cut has the three album pictures + lyrics printed white on 
       black (as per the album gatefold).

    Great Dance Songs (rare) has the gatefold pictures.

    Momentary Lapse has all the album pictures (original CBS here 
       didn't - later copies did).

    Delicate Sound has 36 page colour book (CBS here had 28 page) More 
       pictures than the CBS, but the CBS had a few that the EMI didn't.

    Pro's and Cons has lyrics against orange backdrop with woman like 
       shadow shapes

    KAOS had a little sattelite on the front and bigger lyrics than the 
       CBS version.

    About Face has all the lyrics.

    Also of note, where the writing on the album covers is in some special
       script, the title on the actual CD is in the same script.
       (WYWH, Animals, The Wall, Dance Songs, the final cut, Pro's and Cons)

    KAOS has a real neat CD label. Morse code and stuff.

    Delicate Sound is dark with orange writing. 	



[Note to future archivists:  It might be nice to have a table showing 
different releases, and what they include as compared to some "standard" 
original packaging.  Something like this:

Ummagumma cassette:	different order, front cover only
US WYWH CD:		front & back, b&w mono lake inside, lyrics
UK Pros&Cons:		background voices, no censord cover, vinyl label on CD

etc.
This might shorten this down somewhat, and also help folx decide what to buy.]

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17.  "What are some very rare releases or packages?"

Aside from the list of rare music above, some other Pink Floyd
rarities that have been discovered are:


Arnold Layne/Candy & A Currant Bun	Rare picture sleeve

Apples & Oranges/Paintbox		DJ picture sleeve

It Would Be So Nice 			1983 12" 1 sided

When The Tigers Broke Free/
	Bring The Boys Back Home	12"

Money					1 sided 12" pink vinyl

_Pink_Floyd_				US version of _Piper_, but
					with "Arnold" and "Emily" instead
					of "Flaming" and "Astronomy Domine"

Dark Side of the Moon			DJ Sampler 12" 

Pompeii					DJ Sampler 12"

Off The Wall				DJ Sampler 12"

_First_XI_				Box set of Piper->Final Cut,
					with original sleeves except
					DSOTM & Animals (picture discs)

Quadraphonic albums:
	AHM  	Q4SHVL 781
	DSOTM	Q4SHVL 804
	WYWH	Q4SHVL 814

Flaming/The Gnome			Tower 368, unique "Gnome"

Not Now John (obscured)			12" 1 sided DJ

Tour '75				compilation promo, not live

Run Like Hell(6:21/3:25)		single

Banded & edited _Animals_		DJ version

Money/Another Brick in the Wall (II)	12" pink vinyl

Remember a Day/Let There Be More Light	single
	
One of These Days			single

The Midnight Sun (part 1 & 2)		[I've seen mention of it in *one*
                                         book, and talked with *one* dealer
                                         who claims to have seen it. 
                                         It probably doesn't exist. - djs]


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18.  "Are the gold CDs any better than the regular ones?"

That depends upon who you ask.  I personally own all three [at this time]
gold CDs that have been released from the Pink Floyd catalog.  They are 
produced by the Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, and are pressed on a gold 
substrate rather than the aluminum used by standard CDs, because the gold 
is not susceptible to oxidation.  The theory is that regular CDs could 
eventually tarnish and become unplayable.  Though this has never actually 
*happened* to anyone (to most peoples' knowledge), it is still a key selling
point.

The main reason that I personally bought the gold discs is that at the 
time, they were demonstrably better than the standard US releases.  The 
orignial Capitol DSOTM, for example, was taken from an old quadraphonic lp
master, not the original master.  To compound the problem, instead of placing
right front & right rear on the same channel (and the same for left), they 
put the two front channels on one side and the two rear on the other.  As 
another example, _The_Wall_ contained a very audible "pop" right before 
"Comfortably Numb, which the MFSL disc does not suffer from.

Since then, the American DSOTM discs have been repressed, and are much 
better than before, though not quite as clear as, say, the MFSL or the British
Harvest label CD.  

The whole question of whether the MFSL gold discs are better is really just
a question of personal taste and perception.  The most that can be said here
is that MFSL goes to great lengths to ensure that they get the best possible
source material for their discs, and that the discs are mastered and pressed
so as to be as near to perfect as possible.  One cannot say if MFSL discs are
better than Capitol's (for example), but one can say with certainty that MFSL
discs are at least very good.


   List of "Original Master" Type Releases:

Vinyl
  MFSL:
    Dark Side of the Moon
  Columbia:
    Wish You Were Here
    The Wall
    Collection of Great Dance Songs

CD
  MFSL:
    Atom Heart Mother [scheduled: Jan 1994]
    Meddle
    Dark Side of the Moon
    The Wall
  Sony:
    Shine On - boxed set
    Amused to Death SBM
    Wish You Were Here SBM
  Capitol:
    Dark Side of the Moon XX (remastered)


  Sony's Super Bit Map Process
  [from DAve Cowl:]

  Basically, the procedure is as follows.

  One samples the analogue at 20 bits. (Or one takes a 20 bit master.)
  Apparently, new digital recorders are being made which will record 
  20 bit samples - previously a hard disc recording system was required
  (and seems to be the way they still do it mostly).

  Then one analyses the round off bits, to accurately acertain the
  quantisation noise.

  The quantisation noise spectrum is calculated, and then shaped so that
  the noise is shifted to be mainly in the higher frequencies, where it
  is less audible. The total noise level is the same - just  frequency
  band where the noise occurs differs. this modified quantsation noise is
  then used to choose the last bit (or 2 bits?) of the 16. So, instead of
  being white noise added to 14 bits resolution, or (apprently worse)
  pure quantisation noise, it is an accurately smapled waveform with the
  noise largely shifted away from the lower frequencies.

  The result is supposed to be difficult to distinguish from the 20 bit
  master.

  The REALLY good news, is that once the expensive special packaged discs
  are all sold, normal CDs will be pressed with the SBM masters. A logo
  will indicate SBM mastering.


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19.  "What were the working titles for some songs/albums?"

Several Pink Floyd works had early titles that never made it to album.  Here
is a list of those we know about:

Original title		        Today's title
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~		        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let's Roll Another One          Candy and a Currant Bun
Games for May                   See Emily Play
The Amazing Pudding             Atom Heart Mother Suite
Libest Spacement Monitor        Embryo

Through The Knotholes In
  Granny's Wooden Leg,
Nothing To The Sun
  And Back,
Return of The Son 
  of Nothing                    Echoes

The Massed Gadgets of Hercules  A Saucerful of Secrets
Eclipsed                        The Dark Side of the Moon
Ecclesiastics			The Great Gig in the Sky
Baby Blue Shuffle in D#		Narrow Way Part 1
The Dark Side of the Moon       Brain Damage
Murderistic Woman               Careful With That Axe, Eugene

Of Promises Broken,
Signs of Life,
Delusions of Maturity           A Momentary Lapse of Reason

The Violent Sequence            (became the basis for "Us and Them")
Raving and Drooling             (became "Sheep")
You Gotta Be Crazy              (became "Dogs")

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20.  "A Collection of Great Concert Setlists"

[Compiled with great help from the "ASOS" and "Journey Through Space &
Time" books]

London Free School (Powis Gardens)--October, 1966:
Pink Theme; Let's Roll Another One; Gimme a Break; Piggy Back; Stoned Alone;
I Can Tell; The Gnome; Interstellar Overdrive; Lucy Leave; Take Up Thy
Stethoscope and Walk; Flapdoodle Dealing; Snowing; Matilda Mother; 
Pow R. Toc H.; Astronomy Domine

Top Gear Show (BBC)--September, 1967:
Flaming; Apples and Oranges; Scarecrow; The Gnome; Matilda Mother

Top Gear Show (BBC)--December, 1967:
Vegetable Man; Scream Thy Last Scream; Pow R. Toc H.; Jugband Blues

Top Gear Show (BBC)--June, 1968:
Julia Dream; Murderistic Woman; Let There Be More Light; Massed Gadgets of
Hercules

Fantasio, Amsterdam, Holland--September, 1969:
Let There Be More Light; Interstellar Overdrive; Keep Smiling People; Flaming;
Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; A Saucerful of Secrets

Fairfield Hall, Croyden, England--January 1970:
Astronomy Domine; The Violent Sequence; Set The Controls for the Heart of 
the Sun; Careful With That Axe, Eugene; Embryo; Main Theme (From More); Biding
My Time; A Saucerful of Secrets

Fillmore West, San Francisco--March 1970:
Atom Heart Mother; Cymbaline; Green is the Colour; Careful With That Axe, 
Eugene; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Embryo; A Saucerful of
Secrets; Interstellar Overdrive

City Hall, Sheffield, England--December 1970:
Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast; Embryo; Fat Old Sun; Careful With That Axe, 
Eugene; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; A Saucerful of Secrets;
Atom Heart Mother

Hunter College, New York--May 1971:
Embryo; Fat Old Sun; Atom Heart Mother; One of These Days; Careful With That
Axe, Eugene; Cymbaline; Echoes; A Saucerful of Secrets

Rainbow Theater, London--February 1972:
_The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_; One of These Days; Careful With That Axe, Eugene;
Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Echoes

Radio City Music Hall, New York--March 1973:
Obscured By Clouds; When You're In; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun;
Careful with that Axe, Eugene; Echoes; _The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_

American Tour, Spring 1975:
Raving and Drooling; You've Got to be Crazy; Shine On You Crazy Diamond 
(Parts 1-5); Have a Cigar; Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts 6-9); 
_The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_; Echoes

"In The Flesh" world tour, 1977:
Sheep; Pigs on the Wing (Part 1); Dogs; Pigs on the Wing (Part 2); Pigs (Three
Different Ones); _Wish_You_Were_Here_; Money; Us and Them

David Gilmour American Tour--Summer 1984:
Until We Sleep; All Lovers are Deranged; Love on the Air; Mihalis; Cruise; 
Short and Sweet; Money; Out of the Blue; Let's Get Metaphysical; You Know
I'm Right; Run Like Hell; Blue Light; Murder; Comfortably Numb

Roger Waters European and American tours--Summer 1984:
Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Money; If; Welcome to the Machine;
Have A Cigar; Wish You Were Here; Pigs on the Wing; In The Flesh; Nobody 
Home; Hey You; The Gunners Dream; _The_Pros_and_Cons_of_Hitchhiking_; Brain
Damage; Eclipse

Roger Waters American Tour--Spring 1985:
Welcome the the Machine; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Money; If;
Wish You Were Here; Pigs on the Wing; Get Your Filthy Hands off My Desert;
Southampton Dock; The Gunners Dream; In The Flesh; Nobody Home; Have A Cigar;
Another Brick in the Wall (Part 1); The Happiest Days of our Lives; Another
Brick in the Wall (Part 2); _The_Pros_and_Cons_of_Hitchhiking_; Brain Damage;
Eclipse

Roger Waters, KAOS Tour--Fall 1987:
Radio Waves; Welcome to the Machine; Who Needs Information?; Money; In The 
Flesh; Have a Cigar; Pigs (Three Different Ones); Wish You Were Here; Mother; 
Molly's Song; Good Old Days; The Powers That Be; Going to Live in L.A.; 
Sunset Strip; Fish Report With A Beat; Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking; Arnold 
Layne (video); If; Every Stranger's Eyes; Not Now John; Another Brick in the 
Wall Part I; The Happiest Days of Our Lives; Another Brick in the Wall Part II; 
Nobody Home; Home; Four Minutes; The Tide is Turning (After Live Aid); 
Breathe; Brain Damage; Eclipse  

American Tour--Autumn 1987 (Sept 5 through 25):
Echoes; Signs of Life; Learning to Fly; A New Machine (Part 1); Terminal 
Frost; A New Machine (Part 2); Sorrow; The Dogs of War; Yet Another Movie; On
The Turning Away; One of These Days; Time; On The Run; Money; Another Brick
In The Wall (Part 2); Comfortably Numb; One Slip; Run Like Hell; Shine On You
Crazy Diamond

American Tour--Later in Tour, 1987:
Shine On You Crazy Diamond; Signs of Life; Learning To Fly; Yet Another Movie;
A New Machine Part I; Terminal Frost; A New Machine Part II; Sorrow; Dogs of 
War; On The Turning Away; One Of These Days; Time; On The Run; Wish You Were 
Here; Welcome To The Machine; Us And Them; Money; Another Brick In The Wall 
Part II; Comfortably Numb; One Slip; Run Like Hell
(added "Great Gig in the Sky" before WYWH when I saw them in July 1988)

Knebworth -- (June 30, 1990) 
Shine On You Crazy Diamond; Sorrow; Wish You Were Here; The Great Gig In
The Sky (with Clare Torrey); Money; Comfortably Numb; Run Like Hell


[the "Echoes" shows from the MLOR tour are as follows:

  09 Sep   Lansdowne Park Stadium, Ottawa, Ontario 
  12 Sep   The Forum, Montreal, Quebec 
  13 Sep   The Forum, Montreal, Quebec *
  14 Sep   The Forum, Montreal, Quebec *
  16 Sep   Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, OH *
  17 Sep   Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, OH 
  19 Sep   JFK Stadium, Philadelphia, PA **
  21 Sep   CNE Stadium, Toronto, Ontario 
  22 Sep   CNE Stadium, Toronto, Ontario 
  23 Sep   CNE Stadium, Toronto, Ontario 
  25 Sep   Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, IL 

  *-"Shine On" included with encore
  **-"Shine On" included with encore, "One Slip" not in encore


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21.  "Who played on the various tours, (other than Floyd)?

Atom Heart Mother tour (part):
	Orchestra & Choir


Dark Side of the Moon tour: (US)
	Dick Parry		saxophone
	The Blackberries	female vocal duo


"In The Flesh" tour: (_Animals_)
 	Snowy White		guitar
	Dick Parry		saxophone & keyboards


"The Wall" tour: (first series--New York, L.A., & London)
	Andy Bown		bass
	Snowy White		guitar
	Willie Wilson		drums
	Peter Wood		keyboards
	Jon Joyce		vocals
	Stan Farber		vocals
	Jim Hass		vocals
	Joe Chemay		vocals


"The Wall" tour: (second series--Dortmund & London)
	Andy Bown		bass
	Andy Roberts		guitar
	Willie Wilson		drums
	Peter Wood		keyboards
	Jon Joyce		vocals
	Stan Farber		vocals
	Jim Hass		vocals
	Joe Chemay		vocals


David Gilmour "About Face" tour:
	Mick Ralphs		guitar
	Mickey Feat		bass guitar
	Chris Slade		drums
	Raff Ravenscroft	Saxophone
	Jody Linscottt		percussion
	Gregg Dechart		keyboards


Roger Waters "Pros and Cons" tour (1984):
	Roger Waters 		bass
	Andy Newmark	 	drums
	Eric Clapton	 	lead guitar
	Tim Renwick	 	rhythm guitar
	Chris Stainton	 	piano
	Micheal Kamen		keyboards
	Mel Collins		saxophone
	Katie Kassoon		backing vocals
	Doreen Chanter	 	backing vocals


Roger Waters "Pros and Cons" tour (1985):
	Roger Waters		bass
	Katie Kissoon		vocals
	Doreen Chanter		vocals
	Andy Fairweather-Low	guitars
	Andy Newmark		drums
	Jay Stapley		lead guitar
	Michael Kamen		keyboards
	Mel Collins		saxophone


Roger Waters "Radio KAOS" tour:
	Graham Broad		drums
	Paul Carrack		keyboards & vocals
	Doreen Chanter		vocals
	Mel Collins		saxophones
	Andy Fairweather-Low 	guitars
	Katie Kissoon		vocals
	Jay Stapley		guitars
	"and Jim Ladd as the DJ"
	Clare Torrey		"Great Gig in the Sky," Wembley Arena show

Momentary Lapse of Reason tour:
	Rachel Fury		vocals
	Jon Carin		keyboards, vocals
	Scott Page		saxophone & guitar
	Tim Renwick		guitars, vocals
	Guy Pratt		bass guitar, vocals
	Margaret Taylor		vocals
	Durga McBroom		vocals
	Lorelei McBroom		vocals (later replacing her sister, Durga)
	Gare Wallis		percussion


Roger Waters "Wall in Berlin" show:
	[lots of guests who aren't listed here, plus:]
    The Bleeding Heart Band:
	Graham Broad		drums
	Rick Difonso		guitar
	Andy Fairweather Low	guitar & bass
	Nick Glennie-Smith	keyboards
	Snowy White		guitar
	Peter Wood		keyboards
	Joe Chamay		backing vocals
	Jim Farber		backing vocals
	Jim Haas		backing vocals
	John Joyce		backing vocals
	

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22.  "What is the address of Pink Floyd's management?"

[from the David Gilmour "About Face" tour book:]

	Steve O'Rourke
	EMKA Productions, Ltd.
	43 Portland Road
	London, W11 4LJ
	01-221 2046

And, for Roger Waters:

	Mark Fenwick
	63a Kings Road
	London
	SW3 4NT

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23.  "What is this 'Holophonics' stuff, anyway?"

[From a posting by....umm...me:]

> By the way, has anybody really noticed the "huge improvement" in sound
> staging produced by Mr Zuccarelli and his labs?  If so, explain what's
> so special.

I noticed it.  It really does give a certain amout of imaging, around you
rather than just between the speakers.  When Waters did his Pros & Cons show
on the radio in 1985, he did an introduction where he walked to a timpani,
struck it with his fingernail, and then said "If I ask you to point where
that timpani came from, [here I pointed over my right shoulder] and if you
don't point over your right shoulder, then we're in trouble."  It was
impressive. 

As for just what it *is*, they were *very* secretive.  They had "ringo the
holophonic microphone."  The process was based on holography, but of an audio
form (you can do holography with *any* wave-based phenomena).  The theory was
that there were high frequencies generated by the ear (and some people have
been shown to "generate" some frequencies from time to time), and that sounds
interfere with these frequencies, and the interference pattern is what we
interpret.  So, what holophonics is is a conversion of sounds directly to
that interference pattern.

Now, the fact that this sounds like a crock is immaterial, because it does
work.  So, just what is it?  Most (including myself) believe it's just a form
of binaural recording.  That "ringo" is probably just a dummy head with
microphones where the ears are.  And when you listen with headphones, your
ears are right where those microphones were, and you hear it as if you were
actually there.  Binaural is *fantastic* fun, and I wish more people would
work with it.  It's a shame, though, that Floyd/Waters got duped into
believing that Zuccareli's process was anything special....

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24.  "UAQs (Unanswered Asked Questions)"

Here we present some questions that have been asked that nobody's really
come up with an answer for yet.


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25.  "General Trivia...."


In "Pink Floyd--Live at Pompeii:"
  Nick Mason breaks a drum stick during 'One Of These Days...', then 
continues to play furiously with one hand while he gets a new stick from a
little container attached to his drum kit.
  The Dog in Madmoiselle Nobs keeps its eyes on the camera during the 
sequence.


On the _Ummagumma_ album cover, the last "reflection" in wall is of the
cover to _A_Saucerful_of_Secrets_.


The cover to _A_Nice_Pair_ was comprised of several different cover ideas
that Hipgnosis came up with, plus several more new ones (they couldn't 
make up their minds, so, "why not use them all?")  Many of these pictures
represent common sayings or phrases:
	Frog in your throat
	Fork in the road
	Kettle of fish
	Laughing all the way to the bank
	A nip in the air
	Flying saucers
	A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
	going in circles


One concession made by Pink Floyd to Roger Waters as a result of the
great Floyd Lawyer Wars was the concept of the "Pig."  Waters had sued
to stop  the Floyd from using many of their now-standard concert
features, like the huge screen, weird animated movies, and in
particular, the floating pig. So when Pink Floyd went on the road, they
not only credited Waters with the concept (seen in the DSOT Video
closing credits - "Original Pig  Concept: R. Waters"), they also changed
the pig's gender.


There's a violin at the end of "Wish You Were Here," but it's nearly 
impossible to hear (it's at the end, right after all the wind stuff
starts).   Violinist Stephane Grappelly was recording in a downstairs
studio, and Gilmour had suggested that there be a little  "country
fiddle" at the end of the song, so they talked Grappelly into coming up
and recording a bit.  They hardly used anything of his (in fact, they
felt that giving him an alubm credit would be insulting), but they
enjoyed listening to him play.  He did get about 300 Pounds for it,
though...


When Pink Floyd was recording "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," 
they received a visitor in the studio.  He basically kept 
to himself, occasionally getting up to brush his teeth.  From
_Pink_Floyd:_The__Illustrated_Discography_: "During the WYWH 
sessions a fat, shaven-headed person wearing grey Terylene 
trousers, a nylon shirt and string vest wandered into the studio. 
The band ignored the visitor and kept on playing and it was the 
visiting Andrew King who finally recognised their guest: 
'Good God, it's Syd! How did you get like that?' To which Syd 
replied, 'I've got a very large fridge at home and I've 
been eating a lot of pork chops.' The whole event was slightly
un-nerving since the theme of the album was based on Syd and his
subsequent madness." 


The fourth best-selling rock album of all time is _Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_:
  1 - Thriller
  2 - Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack
  3 - Rumors
  4 - Dark Side of the Moon
It stayed on Billboard's top 200 album chart until July 23, 1988, when it
dropped off the charts for good.  It had been there for 736 weeks, the
longest of any album, ever.  The second longest chart stay was at somewhere
around 300 weeks, for (I believe) Carole King's _Tapestry_.


On the inner sleeve for David Gilmour's _About_Face_ lp, printed in the 
bottom right-hand corner, is "Fleudian Slip."


The lake on the _Wish_You_Were_Here_ inner sleeve is Mono Lake, in
California. The strange rock formations are a result of the *extremely*
high mineral content of the water there.  It's a protected area.


In the movie "The Wall," there are a lot of scenes in the background of a 
WWII film called "The Dambusters."  It's the story about 617 squadron, 
which attacked 3 Ruhr dams in 1943 flying specially converted Lancasters 
carrying Barnes Wallis's "bouncing bomb" and it is the film of this event 
featured in the Wall movie. The raid  was lead by Wing Commander Guy 
Gibson who survived the raid  and was awarded the Victoria Cross for his 
part in it. Guy Gibson died later in the war. [it was previously reported 
on Echoes that the squadron had been commmanded by Leonard Chesire, who 
started the Memorial Fund for Disaster Relief that the Waters' Berlin 
concert benifited.  Thansk to Ray O'Hara for clearing this up.]


"Where the hell are you?  Where the hell are you Tyler?" heard just
before the song "Vera" is from the movie "Battle of Britain".  The
airplane that you hear crashing afterward is Tyler's.


What the heck is a VCS3??
    The VCS3 is an analog synthesizer.  It possibly means:
        Voltage
        Controlled
        Synth.
        3 [ three osc. for waveform generation ]


The title "Meddle" was meant to be a pun--"a play between 'medal'
(the thing that you wear for achieving something) and 'interfere'"


According to Autoweek, some of the cars that Nick Mason owns (and 
races) are:
        Ferrari 250 GTO
                F40
                246 GTS Dino
        Bugatti 35B
        Alfa 2300
        Maserati 250F


A portion (the instrumental bits) of "Seamus" was used as the theme song 
for the movie "Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are Dead."  

On the "Pink Floyd 25th Anniversary" radio show last year, Roger said that 
the lyrics for "Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun" came straight out 
of a book of Chineese peotry from the late Tang period.  Except for the 
title, which he said came from within him, somewhere.  It was later decided
that the lyrics were "stolen" from _The Winds of Limbo_ by Michael Moorcok.


Zabriskie Point Song Titles (from NeXT Digital Webster):
  Fin-gal's Cave (fin'g'lz)
      large cavern on an islet (called Staffa) west of Mull in the
      Hebrides, W Scotland
  Oe|no-ne (e no'ne) [L < Gr Oinone]
      Gr. Myth. a nymph deserted by her husband, Paris, for Helen of Troy
  O|may-yad (o mi'ad', -yad) n., pl. -yads' or -ya-des' (-e dez', -ye-)
    [after Omayya, great-granyfather of the first caliph in the dynasty]
      any of a dynasty of Muslim caliphs who rules at Damascus
      (661-750 A.D.), or of a closely related branch ruling in Spain
      (756-1031)


The Capitol pressing of More LP (SW-11198). The record (not
sleeve) has following titles for "Up The Khyber" and "Quicksilver":

	Up The Kyber (Juke Box)
	Quicksilver (Water-Pipe)


[From AJTS&Tw/PF, courtesy of Toapher (summary chart by djs):] "Dark
Side of the Moon" on the USA Top 200 Charts: Debuts on 17 March 1973
and stays until 19 October 1974 (84 weeks) but falls off.  Appears on
the charts again on 12 April 1975 and stays until 6 March 1976 (lost
24 weeks, but stays for 48 weeks more).  Back on charts again on 18
December 1976 and stays for a record 11 years until 23 April 1988
(lost 40 weeks but gained 591 weeks).  On USA charts for a grand total
of 723 weeks:
        on chart   off chart   on chart  off chart   on chart
   17Mar73 --> 19Oct74   12Apr75 --> 6Mar76   18 Dec 76 --> 23 Apr 88
  weeks:   84          24         48         40         591   723 on, 64 off
 months:   19          6          11         10         125   155 on, 16 off
  years:   1.6         0.5        .9         .8        11.3   13.8 on, 1.3 off


I beleive that ummagumma was a slang term for knockin' boots.
(Knockin' boots of course being a slang term for doing the Wild Thang,
which is, of course, slang for having sex.) [from Steven Dobbs] Of
course, Rock and Roll was a slang term for--you get the picture.  So,
looked at that way, the album "Ummagumma" could simply mean "Rock and
Roll." [djs]


On "Seamus," you can hear someone say "Here is the real dog" right before 
one of the dog's solos.


The following, straight from the Fillmore Wast 24 April 1970 show,
sheds a bit more light on the song Cymbaline:
  Roger: "This one's called Cymbaline, and it's about a nightmare"


On the latest Primus CD there is a lyric on song #12 that goes
"If you studied your Floyd properly, you'd know that pigs could fly"


Semtex is an "inexpensive" czechoslovakian plastic explosive.


On the box set, in the print around the weird logo (with all the overlapping
album titles) is the working title for Shine On, "The Big Bong Theory."


The weird noises & "radio sounds" between "Have a Cigar" and "Wish You Were
Here" were picked randomly from a radio. The music includes a snipped of 
Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony, and the interview includes "and you, Derek, this 
star nonsense, what do you think of it?"  In concerts, the band extended the 
bit by playing live off-air samples from the local town, and then switching 
into the pre-recorded bit from the album.


The DSOT album cover is meant (according to its designer) to capture what was
so special about a Pink Floyd concert--sight and sound.  "So you have Mr. Light
in a showdown with Mr. Sound.  The whole thing was shot in Spain."


On "Gohill's Boots:"  
    Gohill's is a shoe store in Camden, North London (UK). The boots referred
to in The Wall would have been short ankle boots with an elasticated 'gusset'
(rather than laces). These were 'de rigeur' in London in the late '60s and
Gohill's was THE place to get them.


It is mentioned in Walk Away Rene that the cover of DSOTM was specifically
designed by Hipgnosis so that if you fold it out (the LP, that is) and put it
end to end with other copies then they all fit together, thus perpetuating
the cyclic theme of the album.


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26.  "I found this paper on an Internet site, have you seen it?"

If you're talking about the "Influence of Drugs and Alcohol on Pink Floyd," 
then, yes, we've seen it.  In fact, most of the people who've read it have 
found that it's full of errors and just generally not well written.  Not 
meaning to be too judgemental, you can feel free to draw your own conclusions 
on the paper.  But it is quite well known, and available at many archive sites.


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