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                [Originally] compiled by David Schuetz
                      (dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu)
                  With help from all over the world!

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The FAQ is broken down into four sections, as follows:

        Section 1 - General Information
                      The first section is general information, and
		      includes stuff like Echoes subscription procedures,
		      lists of tour personnel, set lists, etc.

        Section 2 - The Early Years
                      The second section covers their "early years," that
		      is, Piper through Obscured by Clouds.

        Section 3 - The Glory Years
                      The third section is the "glory years" (and any
		      discussion regarding this time frame *not* being
		      the time of their greatest glory will be ignored).
		      This section covers DSOTM through the Wall.

        Section 4 - After the Wall, Solo Albums, and Other Stuff

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Section 1 - General Information

01.  "Do I have to read all this stuff?"
02.  "Some useful abbreviations..."
03.  "Who is Pink Floyd anyway, and what's his real name?"
04.  "Where did Pink Floyd get their name?"
05.  "All these lineup changes confuse me..."
06.  "What albums have Pink Floyd released?"
07.  "What videos can I find of Pink Floyd?"
08.  "Did the bands who preceeded Pink Floyd ever make any records?"
09.  "Are they working on a new album?"
10.  "What rare or unreleased songs are 'out there?'"
11.  "Hey!  Has anyone else seen this 'Objects of Fantasy' album?"
12.  "What are some good books relating to Pink Floyd?"
13.  "Are there any Pink Floyd fanzines?"
14.  "Will Waters ever come back?"
15.  "Which Floyd is better?"
16.  "What kind of artwork is available for Floyd records/CDs?"
17.  "What are some very rare releases or packages?"
18.  "Are the gold CDs any better than the regular ones?"
19.  "What were the working titles for some songs/albums?"
20.  "A Collection of Great Concert Setlists"
21.  "Who played on the various tours, (other than Floyd)?
22.  "What is the address of Pink Floyd's management?"
23.  "What is this 'Holophonics' stuff, anyway?"
24.  "UAQs (Unanswered Asked Questions)"
25.  "General Trivia...."
26.  "I found this paper on an Internet site, have you seen it?"


Section 2 - The Early Years

01.  "What does 'Pow R. Toc H.' mean?"
02.  "What was 'Let's Roll Another One'?"
03.  "What is 'Chapter 24' about, anyway?"
04.  "What was the song list for the original US _Piper_ release?"
05.  "What are the parts of 'A Saucerful of Secrets' called?"
06.  "Who is 'Eugene," and why should he be careful with that axe?"
07.  "What does the Pict say in 'Several Species....'?"
08.  "What were 'The Man' and 'The Journey'?"
09.  "Where do the different parts in 'Atom Heart Mother Suite' start/end?"
10.  "Who is 'Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast' written for?"
11.  "What is said at the end of 'Fearless'?"
12.  "'One of These Days' tidbits..."
13.  "I heard a concert recording with a different verse for Echoes!"
14.  "What was played on the BBC's John Peel show?"
15.  "The lyrics to Echoes on the server are wrong!!!"
16.  "Does Syd Barrett play on any tracks on ASOS?"
17.  "Is Relics available on CD?"
18.  "There's a different verse for 'Free Four' in the movie."
19. "The running order on the OBC tape is wrong."
20.  "Pink Floyd did music for a lot of movies.  What were they about?"


Section 3 - The Glory Years

01.  "What is that 'twist' or 'wow' in 'The Great Gig in the Sky'?"
02.  "What's the music at the end of 'Eclipse'?"
03.  "Where did the voices on DSOTM come from?"
04.  "Doesn't 'Great Gig' say something like 'You are dying'?"
05.  "The 'Brain Damage' and 'Eclipse' on _Works_ sound strange..."
06.  "Have Pink Floyd ever done any advertisements?"
07.  "Why are the 'black label' DSOTM discs so expensive?"
08.  "Where do the different parts in 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' start/end?"
09.  "Who is Roy Harper, and why did he sing 'Have a Cigar'?"
10.  "Didn't the Pig fly away once?"
11.  "Didn't the Pig fall into the audience once?"
12.  "What album did Snowy White play guitar on?"
13.  "What were the original lyrics to _Animals_?"
14.  "Who is 'Whitehouse'?"
15.  "What cities did the Wall tour go to?"
16.  "Why isn't 'Hey You' in the Wall movie?"
17.  "What is 'When The Tigers Broke Free?"
18.  "What is said right before 'Empty Spaces'?"
19.  "What's said at the beginning and the end of _The_Wall_?"
20.  "What was the original order of the _Wall_?"
21.  "Who sang 'The Little Boy that Santa Claus Forgot'?"
22.  "What is sung by Pink in the stall in the 'Wall' film?"
23.  "How can I tell where a particular Wall concert was recorded?"
24.  "There's an error in the lyrics for Dogs."
25.  "When was DSOTM first played, anyway?"
26.  "Is the Wall soundtrack available on CD?"
27.  "When and why did Richard Wright leave the band?"


Section 4 - After the Wall, Solo Albums, and Other Stuff

01.  "Problems with the _Final_Cut_ CD."
02.  "There's a lyric on _The_Final_Cut_ which isn't sung!"
03.  "I heard an extra verse to 'Running Shoes' in concert.  What was it?"
04.  "Why is Yoko Ono mentioned in 'Pros and Cons'?"
05.  "What does the morse code on _Radio_KAOS_ say?"
06.  "What is the 'Lost Verse' to 'The Tide is Turning'?"
07.  "Who is having that pilot/tower conversation in 'Learning to Fly'?"
08.  "Differences between the US & UK Pros & Cons Lyrics Sheets"
09.  "What were the original lyrics to Amused to Death?"
10.  "What's the backwards message in 'Perfect Sense' say?"
11.  "What does the title 'Amused to Death' refer to?"
12.  "Just how much money does Floyd make, anyway?"
13.  "Didn't They Get In A Crash And Nearly Mangle Themselves To Death?"
14.  "What is said at the very beginning/end of Radio KAOS?"
15.  "What do the Arabic words in "Late Home Tonight" mean?"
16.  "Who or what is/was Fassbinder?"
17.  "What's all this about poppies?"
18.  "Who were Alf Razzell and Bill Hubbard?" 
19.  "What do the colored stripes on the TFC cover represent?"
20.  "What's the backwards message in 'Perfect Sense' say?"
21.  "What is Richard Wright's current status with the band?"

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Section 1 - General Information

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01.  "Do I have to read all this stuff?"

Yes!  The main reason behind having an FAQ is so that people don't keep asking 
the same old questions day after day after day..... It frees up fans for
discussions about new topics & such, and keeps them from having to rehash old
debates/arguments for the 252nd time.  Yes, there's a helluva lot of stuff 
to read here, but there's a lot that new fans may want to know right off that
they'll find right here.  

This FAQ is rapidly turning from a list of common questions to a Net-generated
Pink Floyd Reference Work.  It is heartily recommended that you keep a copy 
nearby, either on-line or printed.  


"Where did this FAQ list come from?"

  In early 1991, David Schuetz began to tire of seeing the same questions
appearing in public fourms.  In late April, the FAQ was formally begun, and
it was his "baby" for nearly three years.  In those years, it grew from 
just a few pages to more than 60!  In late 1993, it became apparent that 
David just didn't have the time to work on it anymore (for reasons far too
numerous to mention), though he remains as interested as ever in seeing it
continued by another able body.  In early 1994, David published the final
version of the FAQ that he'd be responsible for (version 2.9).

At that point.... [who knows?]



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02.  "Some useful abbreviations..."

On the net, and throughout this FAQ, there are in use quite a few 
abbreviations.  We're lazy people, and don't like to type more than we
have to.  So, to help you understand what follows:

 PF    : Pink Floyd
 PATGOD: Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
 ASOS  : A Saucerful Of Secrets
 AHM   : Atom Heart Mother
 OBC   : Obscured By Clouds
 ANP   : A Nice Pair
 DSOTM : Dark Side Of The Moon
 TGGITS: The Great Gig In The Sky
 WYWH  : Wish You Were Here
 MLOR  : A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
 DSOT  : Delicate Sound of Thunder
 TFC   : The Final Cut
 TPCOHH: The Pros And Cons Of HitchHiking
 +-oHH : The Pros And Cons Of HitchHiking 
 TAP   : The Amazing Pudding (a PF Fanzine)
 BD    : Brain Damage (another PF Fanzine)
 BTW   : by the way
 IMHO  : In my humble opinion
 ROIO  : Recording Of Illegitimate Origin - concert tape, studio outtake, etc.
 oreo  : bastardization of ROIO
 SOYCD : Shine On you Crazy Diamond
 ABITW : Another Brick in the Wall
 OoTD  : One of These Days


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03.  "Who is Pink Floyd anyway, and what's his real name?"

   Pink Floyd is not a person, they are a band.  Pink Floyd's
membership has changed over the years, especially before they ever
released an album.  The *recorded* Pink Floyd lineups are as follows:

Version 0.9: 
	Syd Barrett	Guitar
	Bob Close	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums

Version 1.0: 
	Syd Barrett	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums
Albums:
	_Piper_at_the_Gates_of_Dawn_

Version 1.1: (after Syd became difficult to work with due to mental collapse)
	Syd Barrett	Guitar
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums	
Albums:
	_A_Saucerful_of_Secrets_
	(with Syd playing at least some guitar on "Jugband Blues," "Remember
	a Day" and "Corporal Clegg")

Version 2.0: (after Syd was dropped altogether)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason	Drums	
Albums:
	_More_ through _The_Wall_

Version 2.1: (after Wright was forced by Waters to leave the band)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Roger Waters	Bass
	Nick Mason	Drums	
Albums:
	_The_Final_Cut_

Version 3.0: (after Waters quit the band, assuming it would then die)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Nick Mason 	Drums
Albums:
	_A_Momentary_Lapse_of_Reason_

Version 3.1: (after Wright rejoined the band midway through MLOR tour)
	David Gilmour	Guitar
	Richard Wright	Keyboards
	Nick Mason 	Drums
Albums:
	_Delicate_Sound_of_Thunder_



And, the members' full names, and birthdays:

Roger Keith (Syd) Barrett	6 January, 1946
George Roger Waters		9 September, 1943
Richard William Wright		28 July, 1945
Nicholas Berkeley Mason		27 January, 1945
David Jon Gilmour		6 March, 1946


The original lineup of Pink Floyd was as follows:

Roger Waters, lead guitar
Clive Metcalf, bass
Richard Wright, keyboards
Nick Mason, drums
Juliette Gale, vocals
Keith Noble, vocals

At this stage, they were not yet called Pink Floyd (these were the
Abdabs), and mostly played rhythm and blues songs.  Juliette later
married Wright, and she, Noble, and Metcalf all quit the band.  Waters
then brought in Bob Close and Syd Barrett for guitars, then later
Close left, leaving the original recorded Pink Floyd lineup.



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04.  "Where did Pink Floyd get their name?"

It had often been said that it came to Syd in a vision.  Before
being called Pink Floyd, they were known as "The Pink Floyd Sound,"
"The Meggadeaths," "The Abdabs," "The Screaming Abdabs," "The
Architectual Abdabs," "The T-Set," and Sigma 6.  The name Pink Floyd
came from an album Syd had by two Georgia blues artists, Pink Anderson
and Floyd Council.

About 1965, Floyd formed as Sigma 6.  Then the changed to T-set,
than Meggadeaths, Abdabs (with variations), and finally in late '65,
became Pink Floyd.


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05.  "All these lineup changes confuse me..."

Here is a "Family Tree" of the Floyd that might ease some confusion.
It is still incomplete (it would be nice to include perturbations in "Joker's 
Wild" and such, for instance, as well as the other *people* involved with
Floyd, like Tim Renwick and Storm Thorgeson, for instance, not to mention
solo work), but there's only so much you can do in 80-column ASCII anyway...


[Band names are in double quotes ("this is a band"), and album names are
in all caps towards the right (THIS IS AN ALBUM) (sometimes abbreviated)]



                            "The Mottoes"
Geoff Mott (Motlow)  Syd Barrett  Nobby Clarke  Clive Wellham   Tony Santi
    vocals             guitar       guitar          drums          bass
-------+-----------------+----------------------------+---------------+----
       |                 |                            |               |
 to "Boston Crabs"   to "Hollering Blues"             +---+-----------+
      (vocals)                   (bass)                   |
                                                          |
                                                          |
                                                          |
                           "The Ramblers"                 |
                           "Joker's Wild"                 |
               John Gordon   John Altham                  |
David Gilmour     rhythm     guitar, sax,  Clive Wellham  | Tony Santi
   guitar         guitar      keyboards       drums       |    bass
----------------------------------------------------------+-----------


                        "Sigma Six"
                        "T-Set"
                        "Megadeaths"
                        "Architectual Abdabs"
                        "Screaming Abdabs"
                        "Abdabs"
             Richard Wright            Clive Metcalf               Keith Noble
Roger Waters    rhythm g.   Nick Mason     bass      Juliette Gale   vocals
 lead guitar                  drums                      vocals
-----------.-.-.------------------------------------------------------------
            \|/
             |                              "Blues Anonymous"
             |                                      |
             |  "The Pink Floyd Sound"              |
Roger Waters |  Richard Wright   Nick Mason   Syd Barrett   Bob Close
   bass      | keyboards, cello    drums         guitar       guitar
-------------+--------------.-.-.--------------------------------------
                             \|/
                              |
                              |
                              |  "The Pink Floyd"
Syd Barrett     Roger Waters  |  Richard Wright  Nick Mason               PIPER
  guitar            bass      |    keyboards       drums
----------------------------+-+---------------------------
                            |
                            |
            "Joker's Wild"  |
                   |        | "Pink Floyd"
Roger Waters  David Gilmour | Syd Barrett  Richard Wright  Nick Mason      ASOS
   bass          guitar     |   guitar       keyboards       drums
----------------------------+---------------------------------------
                            |
                            |
                            |
                            | "Pink Floyd"
Roger Waters  David Gilmour | Richard Wright  Nick Mason       MORE, UMMAGUMMA,
   bass          guitar     |   keyboards       drums         AHM, MEDDLE, OBC,
----------------------------+------+-------------------            DSTOM, WYWH,
                            |      |                              ANIMALS, WALL
                            |      |
                            |      +------------------------+
                            |                               |
                            | "Pink Floyd"                  |
Roger Waters  David Gilmour |   Nick Mason        TFC       |
   bass          guitar     |     drums                     | "Zee"   IDENTITY
----------------------------+------------       Dave Harris | Richard Wright
                            |                     guitar    |    keyboards
                            |                   ------------+-------+--------
                            |                                       |
                            | "Pink Floyd"                          |
              David Gilmour |   Nick Mason      AMLOR, DSOT,        |
                 guitar     |     drums         SHINE ON            |
              --------------+-------------                          |
                            |                                       |
                            |                       +---------------+
                            |                       |
                            | "Pink Floyd"          |
              David Gilmour |   Nick Mason   Richard Wright          ATTSOR (?)
                 guitar     |     drums         keyboards
              --------------+------------------------------
                            |
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                        ?????????


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06.  "What albums have Pink Floyd released?"

Without starting a detailed discography, here is a list of all
albums released by Pink Floyd as a band.  Following that is a list of
other albums on which Floyd appears, then a list of solo albums.  


			  Pink Floyd Albums

[a "#" indicates that the collection is not currently available on CD]

			  "Regular catalog"

 The Piper at the Gates of Dawn		1967
 A Saucerful of Secrets			1968
 More					1969	
 Ummagumma				1969	
 Atom Heart Mother			1970
 Meddle					1971	
 Obscured by Clouds			1972
 Dark Side of the Moon			1973
 Wish You Were Here			1975
 Animals				1977
 The Wall				1979
 The Final Cut				1983
 A Momentary Lapse of Reason		1987
 Delicate Sound of Thunder		1988


			"Special" releases

#Best of Pink Floyd			1970*	(compilation, Dutch)
#Relics					1971	(compilation)
#A Nice Pair				1973	(Piper & ASOS as double-lp)
#Dark Side of the Moon			1973	(DJ Promo EP w/4 songs)
#Tour '75				1975+	(DJ Promo--studio tracks)
#Off the Wall				1979	(DJ Promo EP)
 A Collection of Great Dance Songs 	1981	(compilation)
 Works					1983	(compilation, w/"Embryo")
 Shine On - Special 9 CD Box Set	1992&	(re-masters and early singles)
 Shine On - Selections from the Box	1992^
 Dark Side of the Moon XX		1993    (special 20th anniversary ed.)

* Rereleased throughout Europe as "Masters of Rock, Vol. 1" in 1974
+ Capitol's attempt to get back catalog moving.  Contained: "The Gold It's 
  in the....," "Wots...Uh The Deal," "Free Four," "Fat Old Sun," "One of
  These Days," "Astronomy Domine," and "Careful With That Axe, Eugene."
& Contains re-mastered CDs of: ASOS, Meddle, DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, Wall, 
  AMLOR, and a CD (mostly mono) of their first 5 singles.  Also includes 
  a nice hardcover book, several "postcards," and "minimalist" packaging for
  the albums themselves.  See also FAQ entry on Rare Songs. The "Bonus CD"
  of early singles is now apparently available separately in Britain.
^ Contains "See Emily Play," "Set the Controls...," "OoTD," "Money,"
  "SOYCD [edit]," "Dogs," "Comfortably Numb," "ABITW2," and "One Slip."

			Honorable Mention

 Objects of Fantasy			1989	(Orchestral cover versions)


	    Other Albums/Movies On Which Floyd are Featured
 Tonite Let's All Make Love In London (soundtrack)  	1968
 Zabriskie Point (soundtrack)				1970
#Picnic (Harvest label sampler)				1970
 Knebworth: The Album (Two Floyd songs only)		1990	
 La Carrera Panamericana				1991

			     Solo Albums
 Syd Barrett	The Madcap Laughs		1970
 Syd Barrett	Barrett				1970
 Roger Waters	Music from The Body		1970*
#Syd Barrett	Syd Barrett			1974**
 David Gilmour	David Gilmour			1978
 Richard Wright	Wet Dream			1978
 Nick Mason	Ficticious Sports		1981
 David Gilmour	About Face			1984
 Roger Waters	Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking	1984
#Zee 		Identity			1984+
 Nick Mason	Profiles			1985++ 
 Roger Waters	When The Wind Blows (sndtk)	1986&
 Roger Waters	Radio Kaos			1987
 Syd Barrett	The Peel Sessions (EP)		1988
 Syd Barrett	Opel (compilation/rare tracks)	1988
 Roger Waters	The Wall--Live Berlin		1990
 Syd Barrett	Octopus	("Best of")		1992
 Roger Waters	Amused to Death			1992

*  With Ron Gessin, a soundtrack
** _Madcap_ and _Barrett_ repackaged as a double album
+  Zee was a band comprised of Richard Wright and Dave Harris
++ With Rick Fenn of 10cc, and features Gilmour with vocals on one track
&  Second side of album features Waters & Bleeding Heart Band


There are also several interview picture discs floating around, both
on vinyl and on CD, but beware--some of them feature pictures of old
(Syd-era) Floyd, but contain interviews with AMLOR-era Floyd members.

[example: the "Limited Edition Picture Disc Interview," part of the 
TALKING PICTURE series, lists two tracks:

       1: Interview 1981 [discussing _The Wall_ & beginnings of film]
       2: Interview 1986 [discussing [AMLOR]

The disc has pictures of very young Roger, Nick, Syd, and Rick.]

[If anyone has any transcripts of these or other interview discs, I'd like a 
copy for the archives. -- djs]


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07.  "What videos can I find of Pink Floyd?"

First, a list of longer "movies:"

   "Pink Floyd--Live at Pompeii"
	A "concert" filmed in an ancient ampitheatre in Pompeii in
	about 1972, also features interviews and some studio shots of 
	Floyd working on DSOTM.  Features "Echoes," "Careful With That 
	Axe, Eugene," "One of These Days I'm Going To Cut You Into Little 
	Pieces," "Madmoiselle Knobs," "A Saucerful of Secrets" and "Set 
	the Controls for the Heart of the Sun."

   "Pink Floyd--The Wall"
	The film version of the wall, directed by Alan Parker,
	starring Bob Geldof.  Includes all of _The Wall_, minus "Hey You,"
	plus "When The Tigers Broke Free," and with "Empty Spaces" replaced 
	by "What Shall We Do Now?"

	A deluxe letterboxed version from a new transfer on LaserDisc
	is now available (in CLV format).  Also inncludes the "Original
	Theatrical Trailer." 

   "Delicate Sound of Thunder"
	Video of the DSOT concert, filmed over two nights at Nassau Coliseum,
	Uniondale, New York (on Long Island).

   "David Gilmour--About Face Tour"
	Concert video of Gilmour's first solo tour (with Until We
	Sleep, All Lovers are Derranged, There's No Way Out Of
	Here, Short and Sweet, Run Like Hell, Out of the Blue, Blue
	Light, Murder, Have a Cigar, and Comfortably Numb) , with
	special guest appearances of Roy Harper (vocals on "Have a
	Cigar") and Nick Mason (drums on "Comfortably Numb"), and
	also two music videos (Blue Light and All Lovers are
	Derranged) & a 30 minute documentary segment

   "The Wall--Live In Berlin 1990" (Roger Waters)
	Video of the Wall performance in Berlin.

   "La Carrera Panamericana"
	A movie, produced by Steve O'Rourke (their manager), about a
	classic auto race up a highway in Mexico.  Dave, Steve, Nick, and
	some other chap all race in the film, which includes some 
	instrumentals & new music from Floyd (see item on "Didn't They 
  	Get In A Crash And Nearly Mangle Themselves To Death?")
	Tracks: "Run Like Hell," "Pan Am Shuffle," "Yet Another Movie,"
	"Sorrow," "Signs of Life," "Country Theme," "Mexico '78,"
	"Big Theme," "Run Like Hell," "One Slip," "Small Theme,"
	and "Pan Am Shuffle."  The band: David Gilmour, Nick Mason,
        Rick Wright, Jon Carin, Gary Wallis, Guy Pratt, Tim Renwick.
	Also available on laserdisc.


And now, some "MTV-like" videos and other sorts:

   "Pink Floyd--The Final Cut EP"
   	Video EP of the final cut.  Contains "the gunners dream," "the
	final cut," "not now john," and "the fletcher memorial home."
	Available in Europe, in VHS Hi-Fi (but PAL--won't work on US TV's).

   "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" (Roger Waters)
	video ep of the solo album

   "Radio KAOS" (Roger Waters)
	Four MTV-style videos.  Also available on LaserDisc (CAV).  
	Includes "Radio Waves," "Sunset Strip," "The fish report with 
	"a beat," "4 Minutes," and "The Tide is Turning (live)."

    "Learning to Fly" (story and live stuff)
    "Dogs of War" (story and live stuff)
    "One Slip" (from La Carrera Panamericana)
    "On the Turning Away" (from DSofT video)
    "One of These Days" (from DSofT video)
    "Comfortably Numb" (from DSofT video)
    "Welcome to the Machine" (Gerald Scarfe animation)
    "Brain Damage/Eclipse" (story)
    "Another Brick in the Wall Part II" (from Wall movie)
    "When The Tigers Broke Free" (from Wall movie)


    "Amnesty International Big 30"
         "The David Gilmour Band" performs "On The Turning Away."
         Gilmour backs Seal on "Hey Joe," plays with Andrew Strong (from
         the movie "The Committments") on "Hard to Handle," and also plays 
         bass with: David St. Hubbins (vocals, bass), Derek Smalls (bass),
         Pino Palladino (bass) and Tim Renwick (bass) on Spinal Top's 
         "Big Bottom."
      In The David Gilmour Band was: 
         Gary Wallis, Tim Renwick, Jon Carin, Sam Brown, Pino Palladino, 
         Jody Linscott, Margo Buchanon, Julie Harrington, Ian Harrison, 
         Dave Bishop, Stuart Brooks, Mark Nightingal, 
      Assisted by: Barry Knight, Phil Taylor, Cris Burns, Clint Driftwood,
         Simon Perks, Andy Jackson


Finally, there's lots of stuff out there in the non-official markets.  A
popular example of such material is the "Video Anthology" which collects 
many of the visual works by Pink Floyd.  Unfortunately, it is a ROIO, 
and lacks as much in terms of quality as it does legality.  However, here is 
the listing of bits on that tape, if only to provide a better idea of what
videos Floyd have done (provided by Scott Frank):

   Arnold Layne (excerpt from promo)
   Interstellar Overdrive (excerpt from Granada TV)
   Syd Barrett Interveiw (BBC - ~30 secs long)
   The Scarecrow (Pathe Newsreel)
   Apples and Oranges (promo - the one w/ Roger lip-synching)
   See Emily Play (promo)
   A Saucerful of Secrets (excerpts from 1968 & mid 70's)
   Astronomy Domine (promo)
   The Scarecrow (promo)
   Set The Controls... (excerpts from 1968)
   Point Me At The Sky (promo)
   Atom Heart Mother (Tokyo)
   Cymbaline (KQED Studios 1970)
   Set The Controls...(Holland Pop Festival)
   A Saucerful Of Secrets (Holland Pop Festival)
   One Of These Days (from animated film "French Windows")
   Careful With That Axe, Eugene (Australian TV 1971)
   Set The Controls... (from "Heart Of The Sun" film - 1973)
   Careful With That Axe, Eugene ("Superstars In Concert" - 1973)
   Brian Damage/Eclipse (backdrop film - from MTV Weekend)
   Welcome To The Machine (backdrop film - from MTV Weekend)
   Pigs On The Wing (Battersea Power Station)
   The Happiest Days Of Our Lives (live in London - 1980)
   Another Brick In The Wall - part II (promo)
   A Collection Of Great Dance Songs (TV Commercial)
   Pink Floyd The Wall (theatrical trailer)
   When The Tigers Broke Free (promo)
   The Gunner's Dream (from the "Final Cut" video EP)
   The Final Cut (same as above)
   Not Now John (same as above)
   The Fletcher Memorial Home (same as above)
   A Momentary Lapse Of Reason (US TV AD)
   Learning To Fly - Version #1 (promo)
   On The Turning Away (live promo)
   Dogs Of War (live promo - from Pink Floyd Weekend, I think)
   Signs of Life (excerpt - from Pink Floyd Weekend on MTV)
   One Slip (live promo - Italian TV)
   Learning To Fly - Version #2 (promo)
   Win A Plane (MTV contest)


And in addition to all that (actually, some of it made it into the
Anthology) there was a "concert" recorded by KQED TV in October, 1971.  
They played:
	Atom Heart Mother
	Careful With That Axe, Eugene
	Cymbaline
	Green is the Colour
	Granchester Meadows
	Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun


And, finally, there are the films that get played behind the band. 
Here is a list, with brief descriptions, of some of these bits:

  "Welcome to the Machine" - surreal landscape, with a scorpion that likes 
   to behead people, waves of blood that turn into teeming masses clamoring 
   at tall marble towers.

  "Time" - blue sky, hundreds of clocks ticking along, merging, dissolving, 
   etc.

  "Us & Them" - started with a film about people crossing the street

  "Brain Damage/Eclipse" - politicians giving speeches

  "Signs of Life"  - someone canoeing and swimming along a river

  "Yet Another Movie" - the  "You're getting on that plane" scene from
    "Casablanca"

  "Dogs of War" has a video of dogs attacking, finally running up the stage
   (same camera-movement as at the start of "Shine On...")

  "Pigs on the Wing" - pig being launched and floating over the Battersea 
   Power Station


What Floyd videos are available on LaserDisc?

  in the us (ntsc format), i [bear] know of:
	pf - live at pompeii
	pf - the wall (std ("pan & scan"))
	pf - the wall (letterbox)
	pf - delicate sound of thunder
	pf - la carrera panamericana
	rw - radio kaos
	rw - the wall live in berlin
        rw - what god wants pt 1 (1 side 8 inch disc) [Japanese - from DAve]

  on PAL LaserDisc [from DAve:]
        pf - live at pompeii
        pf - the wall (std ("pan & scan"))
        rw - the wall live in berlin

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08.  "Did the bands who preceeded Pink Floyd ever make any records?"

Of all the permutations that Pink Floyd went through, none were ever 
commercially successful.  The only band which even released anything
was Joker's Wild, Gilmour's old band.  Their record was a one-sided LP,
and contained all cover versions:

    Beautiful Delilah (Chuck Berry)
    Why Do Fools Fall In Love (Frankie Lymon)
    Don't You Ask Me (Manfred Mann's arrangement) 
    Sherry (The Four Seasons)
    Big Girls Don't Cry (The Four Seasons)

They also recorded a single, Sam & Dave's "You Don't Know What I Know" with
Otis Redding's "That's How Strong My Love Is."  But the original version of
"You Don't Know" became popular at about the same time, and the single was
never even noticed.

[all this straight from the ASOS/Odessey book, p. 22]

It has been reported that this "lp" was limited to only about 50 copies,
and has recently sold for as much as #1000 (approx. $1800 US).


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09.  "Are they working on a new album?"

After having endured rumors of a new album at least twice a year for the 
past three years, Pink Floyd fans are finally going to enjoy a new album.

The current rumor is that the album will be called

	Awaken to the Sense of Reality

and will be released on

	March 22.

Beyond that, we don't know much of anything about the album.  They have 
a new set of "images" for the album & tour, including, it appears, a blimp.
The tour should start in the US/Canada sometime around June, and will 
likely continue through the end of the year.  

We're also told that the concerts will be "different" than last tour, 
that they'll be "like nothing ever seen before," and will include no movies,
but lots of lasers.


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10.  "What rare or unreleased songs are 'out there?'"

Many fans were disappointed with the Shine On boxed set.  Though we'd
wanted clean versions of many of the albums, this set didn't really
fill a musical void.  Most fans already had all the CDs anyway.  What
many fans were hoping for was a collection of rare, unreleased, and
live tracks, as well as (perhaps) a continuing "One from the Vault"
series of entire concerts (like the Grateful Dead are doing).

Here is a list of (perhaps) all the known non-album Pink Floyd tracks.  Many
of these are availble illegaly.  Some have never been heard by the general
public.  Some may not even exist.

 Arnold Layne			- single
 Candy and a Currant Bun	- back of "Arnold Lane"
 See Emily Play			- single
 Apples and Oranges		- single
 Paint Box			- back of "Apples and Oranges"
 It Would Be So Nice		- single
 Julia Dream			- back of "It Would Be So Nice"
 Point Me At The Sky		- single
 Point Me At The Sky		- 'extended'--a "live" in the studio version
 Careful With That Axe, Eugene	- back of "Point Me At The Sky"
 The Gnome			- rare mix on back of "Flaming" single

 Biding My Time			- from _Relics_
 Scream Thy Last Scream  	- Late Syd song
 Vegetable Man			- Late Syd song
 Embryo				- Ummagumma outtake*

 Crumbling Land			- From "Zabriskie Point" soundtrack
 Heart Beat, Pig Meat		- "Zabriskie"
 Come In #51, Your Time Is Up	- "Zabriskie"
 Fingal's Cave			- "Zabriskie" outtake
 Oeneno				- "Zabriskie" outtake
 Rain In The Country		- "Zabriskie" outtake

 Hollywood			- _More_ outtake (Gilmour)**
 Seabirds			- _More_ outtake (Waters)**
 Theme (Beat Version)		- _More_ outtake (entire band)**

 Madamoiselle Knobs		- from the "Pompeii" movie

 What Shall We Do Now?		- from "The Wall" movie
 When The Tigers Broke Free	- from "The Wall" movie, later a single

 Not Now John (obscured)	- 
 The Hero's Return, Part II	- Parts 1 & 2 on back of "Not Now John"
				-   obscured version single

 Interstellar Overdrive		- the earliest recording, on "Tonight Let's
				-   All Make Love in London"
 Nick's Boogie			- also on "Tonight..."

 Raving and Drooling		- later became "Sheep"
 You Gotta Be Crazy		- later became "Dogs"
 On The Run			- early live jam 
 Great Gig in the Sky		- early live version, w/radio evangelists
 The Violent Sequence		- part eventually became "Us and Them"+

 music from The Committee	- A movie they did incidentals for
 Moonhead			- from BBC tv ++
 The Baby Blue Shuffle in D Minor- just a jam

 Lucyleave			- [dunno]
 King Bee			- blues song, covered by the Rolling Stones and
				-  attributed either to "Moore" or "Slim Harpo"
 Silas Lane                     - from very early "basement" sessions, 1966
 Reaction in G			- 12 October 1967
 Keep Smiling People		- 1 September 1968

 Sh-Boom			- a 1954 "Crew Cuts" hit covered by Mason/Fenn
 _White of the Eye_ soundtrack	- scored by Mason/Fenn
 Peace Be With You		- from MLOR, a 'good luck' message to Waters
 Bitter Love			- aka "How do You Feel," unreleased 1975

 Across the Universe		- Waters, on 1986 BBC special for John Lennon
    (the Beatles' song)		-     with help from Andy Fairweather-Low 
 Going to Live in LA		- Waters KAOS single
 Molly's Song			- Waters KAOS single

"Religious Experience"          - EMI outtake w/Barret & Kevin Ayers, Jan 1970
Bob Dylan Blues			- found listed on an EMI studios logsheet

"Merry Christmas Song"		- Nick Mason & Alan Styles on John Peel Show,
				-     December 1975 (with advice from Roger)

(and a few other songs, mostly just instrumental jams from concerts, etc.)


* This piece has many live recordings, and a studio version was finally 
released on _Works_.  A demo version was accidentally released on _Picnic_
(a Harvest label sampler).  Originally intended to be a part of Ummagumma.

** These songs were found in a volume of copyrighted musical works.  I
seem to recall that "Seabirds" had lyrics, while the others were
instrumentals.  They may have appeared in the film, but were ommitted
from the album.  Also, the music for "Seabirds" has apparently been
published in a music book at some time.

+ This was originally written for the movie _Zabriskie Point_ and was 
performed during some of their tours of the period as a 20 minute piece 
including bits of "Heart Beat, Pig Meat."  The piano solo near the end was
eventually used as the basis for "Us and Them."  The sequence the song was
written for involved riots or somesuch being shown in slow motion....

++ [from Adam Winstanley]: Moonhead was included as part of a documentary
on BBC TV on the night of the first moon landing. It was in an "arts"
series called Omnibus, this particular programme being about people's
differing perceptions of the moon through time (a goddess, lunatics,
romantic moonlight, were-wolves baying at it ... etc. etc.) The programme
was subtitled "What if it's just green cheese."


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11.  "Hey!  Has anyone else seen this 'Objects of Fantasy' album?"

Yes.  We all know about it.  In fact, many of us already own it, and have
for a couple years.  But it wasn't really a big seller, and copies are still 
popping up from time to time.

The album is all orchestral covers of Pink Floyd songs, performed by the
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.  It was arranged, conducted, and produced by 
David Palmer, who did similar albums of Jethro Tull and Genesis. 

The album includes:

 Run Like Hell
 Another Brick in the Wall 1/Happiest Days of our Lives/ABITW 2
 Goodbye Blue Sky
 Money
 Hey You
 Wish You Were Here
 On The Turning Away
 Shine On You Crazy Diamond (parts 1-5)
 When The Tigers Broke Free/Eclipse

Generally, it's not bad, but sometimes it borders on "elevator music."  
Interesting listening, at the least.  A few of the tracks contain vocals.
Also on the album are Steve Hackett (from Genesis), and Clare Torry.

Recently, I have seen this album with a new cover and a new title:
_Orchestral_Maneuvers_.  It's exactly the same album, just a different
name.


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12.  "What are some good books relating to Pink Floyd?"

There have been several books published regarding Floyd.  It is also rumored
that Nick Mason is working with Storm Thorgerson (of Hipgnosis fame) on their 
own book.  Here is a listing of some of them, with a few comments:

	"The Work Of Hipgnosis - Walk Away Rene" published by Paper Tiger (UK)
	ISBN 0-905895088
	Believed to be out of print, this book details the work of the 
	graphics team who did many of Pink Floyd's covers.

	"Pink Floyd Lyric Book" published by Chappel Music Ltd
	ISBN 0 71371 280 5
	Contains two interviews with Roger Waters, from 1975 & 1982

	"Pink Floyd: A Visual Documentary by Miles" published by Omnibus Press
	ISBN 0-7119-1444-3
	An excellent reference.

	"Saucerful Of Secrets: The Pink Floyd Odyssey" by Nicholas Schaffner
	 published by Harmony Books
	ISBN 0 283 06127 8
	A superb book, detailing Floyd from the very very early days to 
	the present time.  Often called "The Book" by Echoes, and generally
	regarded as a must-have.  The UK edition has only 18 pictures,
	compared to 34 in the us edition.  There is also a paperback edition.

	"Pink Floyd: Bricks In The Wall" by Karl Dallas published 
		by Shaposky Publishers

	"The Pros & Cons of Hitch Hiking (songbook)" by Roger Waters
	 ISBN 0-7119-1959-3

	"Pink Floyd: Anthology" published by Hal Leonard Publishing Corp.
	 ISBN 0-88188-445-6

	"Crazy Diamond - Syd Barrett & the Dawn of Pink Floyd" 
	by Mike Watkinson & Pete Anderson published by Omnibus Press 
	ISBN 0-7119-2397-3

	"A Journey Through Time and Space with Pink Floyd"
	Another great book (according to Echosians).  Available for
	something like $15 from the author (maybe also through Hip Cat):
		Jon Rosenberg/PF Archives
		803 E. Spooner Road
		Milwaukee, WI 52317-2829

        "Rock Sets - The Astonishing Art Of Concert Design"
        Thames And Hudson, 30 Bloomsbury Street, London WC1B 3QP
	ISBN 0 - 500 - 27697 - 8
        A picture book of concerts that Fisher Park has designed.  
        Includes lots of information & photos from the Berlin concert,
        plus some coverage of the Animals, Wall, P&C and KAOS tours.
        145 color photos & 3 8-page foldouts

Many music books are available, mostly exclusively through Music Sales
Corporation:
	(Animals Songbook) - 90pp, 45 of which are sheet music.  Remainder
	is filled with newspaper clippings, photographs, pictures, and
	two pages of the "Equipment and Technical" portion of Floyd's
        touring contract.  Published by: Pink Floyd Music Publishers LTD.
        27 Noel Street, London W1V 3RD.

	(ATD songbook) ISBN 0-7119-3220-4


Exclusive distributors:

        Music Sales Corporation
        225 Park Avenue South
	NY, NY 10003 USA

	Music Sales Limited 
	8/9 Frith Street
	London W1V 5TZ England

	Music Sales PTY. Limited
	120 Rothschild Street, Rosebery
	Sydney, NSW 2018 Australia


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13.  "Are there any Pink Floyd fanzines?"

Yes, there are.  The foremost fanzine has always been "The Amazing 
Pudding," and "Brain Damage" has also been popular lately.  Here are some
addresses you can use to contact them:


The Amazing Pudding:

Subscriptions for the next six issues, including p&p, cost:

UK: 6.00   Europe: 6.90   USA/Canada: 8.40 
Australia/New Zealnd and Japan: 8.70

For details, write, including an SASE, to

In The UK:             In USA:                 Rest Of The Planet:

 Dave & Carole Walker   Ken Langford            Andy Mabbett
 81 Fossdale Moss       16385 West 8th Avenue   61 Meynell House
 Leyland                Golden                  Browns Green
 Preston PR5 3WS        Colorado 80401          Birmingham B20 1BE
 England                                        England
 (TEL: 0772 456508)                             


Brain Damage:

For details write, including an SASE, to

In UK/Australia/NZ/   In Europe/ Eire:         In USA/ Canada/ S. America:
Japan/Hong Kong/
South Africa:

 Glenn Povey           Michael Perricone        Hip Cat Records
 PO Box 385            Witikonerstasse 460      1089 W. Dundee Road
 Uxbridge              CH 8053                  Westmont, IL  60559
 Middlesex, UB9 5DZ    Zurich                   USA
 England               Switzerland             
 (TEL: 0895 833413)                             
                                                (TEL: (708) 537 0066)
[From Scott, re: Syd fanzine:]
       On the off chance that you feel inclined to purchase the
   Best of Clowns and Jugglers fanzine, you should write to John
   Kelly:

   John Kelly
   101 Amersham Road
   Terriers
   Highwycombe
   Bucks
   HP13 5AD England




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14.  "Will Waters ever come back?"

No.  The chances of that happening are about the same of somebody
who doesn't buy lottery tickets winning the 17 million dollar jackpot.
He feels that, as an entity, Floyd are "creatively spent" and that he
can get nothing more from such a partnership.  He also did not exactly
leave on friendly terms, and would have to do a lot of making up if he
wanted to return.  It is generally agreed upon by Echoers that the
others would work with him if he were interested, but that Waters
would not do so simply because they (Gilmour, Wright, Mason) would not
let him exercise the kind of complete control he did during their last
few albums with him.

It's simply not going to happen.


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15.  "Which Floyd is better?"

This comes up all the time, especially when new people join the
list and voice their opinions.  The problem with this question is that
*everyone* has their own thoughts on the matter, and that these
thoughts are entirely subjective.  Without going into any details, any
pros and/or cons of either Waters or Gilmour's writing, singing, or
playing styles, and without delving into the personalities of
different members of the band or the concepts they provided or the
concerts they performed, I'm just going to say that everyone likes or
dislikes any particular version of Floyd or the solo artists for
strictly personal reasons, and trying to convince anyone to change
these likes is going to be a futile effort.

Do not ask this question again.


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16.  "What kind of artwork is available for Floyd records/CDs?"

A lot, as any serious Floyd collector can probably tell you.  Here
is a list of known variations (all vinyl, unless otherwise noted):

Pink Floyd:	Some with paisley stripes, others with rainbow stripes.
Piper, ASOS:  	New reissues include "Fame" written across one corner.
Ummagumma:	The "album" leaning on the wall in some pressings is
		the soundtrack to "Gigi" (ommitted in US pressings due to
		copyright ownership problems).
OBC:  		Flat (non-glossy) cover.
Meddle:  	Textured (not smooth) cover, with no writing (import).
Relics:		Originally featured art by Nick Mason, a line-drawing
		of some weird (almost Dr. Seuss-like) cityscape.  Some
		had "Pink Floyd" in pink letters.  Later replaced with
		some weird "masks," which were in reality some bizarre
		form of bottle-openers.  The Australian CD featured
		old coins on the cover.   
DSOTM:  	Originally came with two posters--one of Egyptian
		pyramids viewed through a green filter, and one with
		pictures of the band in concert.  Also came with two
		stickers showing cartoon pyramids, moons, and other
		such images in various views with the words "Pink
		Floyd" (these can be seen on the "invisible man's"
		suitcase on the back of WYWH.) 
DSOTM:		Some imports have a different view of the pyramids, in blue.
A Nice Pair:	Early British pressings had a picture of the outside
		of "W. Phang"'s dentistry office, but he complained
		("Dentists aren't allowed to advertise,") so it was
		changed to show a picture of a monk gargling.  U.S.
		Versions have the "Phang" picture.  Both versions
		differ slightly in the arrangement and selection of
		inner-cover pictures.  
WYWH:		Originally came with a postcard of the "diver" in the
		lake.  I have seen two different views of the diver,
		one with a straight cut around the postcard, and one
		with a zigzag cut.  Originally released in dark purple 
		unmarked shrink wrap with only a round seal with the 
		robot handshake.
WYWH:		Also a rare gatefold cover, with the two outside being
		the fire and sand, and the two inside covers water & air.
MLOR:		Slightly different album cover--different angle to the
		photograph, the people were in different places.  Also
		included a poster.  A UK pressing.
ATD:		Special "Audiophile" 2-lp vinyl version.

Note that this list does not include Japanese pressing differences, as
there are many weird variations of things found from Japan, many of
which include lyric sheets that are often completely wrong! 

In addition to all these variants, there are the tower pressings of Piper,
ASOS, and More, plus all the albums that later had Universal Product
Codes added to them. 


Colored vinyl:
    Dark Side of the Moon: Blue, Clear, White, Pink, picture disc
    The Wall: Orange
    Atom Heart Mother: Grey(smoke coloured), Plum
    Wish You Were Here: Blue, clear, picture disc
    A Momentary Lapse Of Reason: White 
    Animals: Pink 
    One Slip, On the Turning Away, Money 12" : Pink

    And in Japan the first 6 albums(except for Ummagumma) were all pressed
    in red vinyl(each as a limited edition of 500 copies)


As long as we're talking about album artwork, here's a list of the original 
"label" artwork from the LPs:

	DSOTM:	 black label with white prism
	WYWH:	 black & blue line drawing of robot hands
	Animals: Fish-eye lens pictures of area around power station
	Wall:	 the wall, in various stages of construction, with
		 "appropriate" Gerald Scarfe characters
	TFC:	 Poppy fields & a dead soldier (w/knife in his back)
	AMLOR:   boat on water, beds
	KAOS:	 The "Radio KAOS" & song listing in green


And, for those of us who don't have a lot of Floyd CDs: (from Dave Cowl)

    Here is a quick list of what the Harvest CD's have (all from memory).

    WYWH has : The Black cover with the metallic hands and four background
     `scenes' (was on the top left corner of some vinyls here).
     + Men shaking hands w fire + red satin w woman behind 
     + lake w legs coming out vertically (in colour!) + invisible man 
       w clear vinyl of the album + man swimming in sand + `leaking 
       holes' w water pouring out amongst the lyrics.

    Animals has the monchrome pictures from the gatefold album. My CBS 
       version has bigger lyrics!

    The Wall has all the Scarfe drwaings from the album and the credits all 
       written in `graffiti' writing.

    The Final Cut has the three album pictures + lyrics printed white on 
       black (as per the album gatefold).

    Great Dance Songs (rare) has the gatefold pictures.

    Momentary Lapse has all the album pictures (original CBS here 
       didn't - later copies did).

    Delicate Sound has 36 page colour book (CBS here had 28 page) More 
       pictures than the CBS, but the CBS had a few that the EMI didn't.

    Pro's and Cons has lyrics against orange backdrop with woman like 
       shadow shapes

    KAOS had a little sattelite on the front and bigger lyrics than the 
       CBS version.

    About Face has all the lyrics.

    Also of note, where the writing on the album covers is in some special
       script, the title on the actual CD is in the same script.
       (WYWH, Animals, The Wall, Dance Songs, the final cut, Pro's and Cons)

    KAOS has a real neat CD label. Morse code and stuff.

    Delicate Sound is dark with orange writing. 	



[Note to future archivists:  It might be nice to have a table showing 
different releases, and what they include as compared to some "standard" 
original packaging.  Something like this:

Ummagumma cassette:	different order, front cover only
US WYWH CD:		front & back, b&w mono lake inside, lyrics
UK Pros&Cons:		background voices, no censord cover, vinyl label on CD

etc.
This might shorten this down somewhat, and also help folx decide what to buy.]

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17.  "What are some very rare releases or packages?"

Aside from the list of rare music above, some other Pink Floyd
rarities that have been discovered are:


Arnold Layne/Candy & A Currant Bun	Rare picture sleeve

Apples & Oranges/Paintbox		DJ picture sleeve

It Would Be So Nice 			1983 12" 1 sided

When The Tigers Broke Free/
	Bring The Boys Back Home	12"

Money					1 sided 12" pink vinyl

_Pink_Floyd_				US version of _Piper_, but
					with "Arnold" and "Emily" instead
					of "Flaming" and "Astronomy Domine"

Dark Side of the Moon			DJ Sampler 12" 

Pompeii					DJ Sampler 12"

Off The Wall				DJ Sampler 12"

_First_XI_				Box set of Piper->Final Cut,
					with original sleeves except
					DSOTM & Animals (picture discs)

Quadraphonic albums:
	AHM  	Q4SHVL 781
	DSOTM	Q4SHVL 804
	WYWH	Q4SHVL 814

Flaming/The Gnome			Tower 368, unique "Gnome"

Not Now John (obscured)			12" 1 sided DJ

Tour '75				compilation promo, not live

Run Like Hell(6:21/3:25)		single

Banded & edited _Animals_		DJ version

Money/Another Brick in the Wall (II)	12" pink vinyl

Remember a Day/Let There Be More Light	single
	
One of These Days			single

The Midnight Sun (part 1 & 2)		[I've seen mention of it in *one*
                                         book, and talked with *one* dealer
                                         who claims to have seen it. 
                                         It probably doesn't exist. - djs]


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18.  "Are the gold CDs any better than the regular ones?"

That depends upon who you ask.  I personally own all three [at this time]
gold CDs that have been released from the Pink Floyd catalog.  They are 
produced by the Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, and are pressed on a gold 
substrate rather than the aluminum used by standard CDs, because the gold 
is not susceptible to oxidation.  The theory is that regular CDs could 
eventually tarnish and become unplayable.  Though this has never actually 
*happened* to anyone (to most peoples' knowledge), it is still a key selling
point.

The main reason that I personally bought the gold discs is that at the 
time, they were demonstrably better than the standard US releases.  The 
orignial Capitol DSOTM, for example, was taken from an old quadraphonic lp
master, not the original master.  To compound the problem, instead of placing
right front & right rear on the same channel (and the same for left), they 
put the two front channels on one side and the two rear on the other.  As 
another example, _The_Wall_ contained a very audible "pop" right before 
"Comfortably Numb, which the MFSL disc does not suffer from.

Since then, the American DSOTM discs have been repressed, and are much 
better than before, though not quite as clear as, say, the MFSL or the British
Harvest label CD.  

The whole question of whether the MFSL gold discs are better is really just
a question of personal taste and perception.  The most that can be said here
is that MFSL goes to great lengths to ensure that they get the best possible
source material for their discs, and that the discs are mastered and pressed
so as to be as near to perfect as possible.  One cannot say if MFSL discs are
better than Capitol's (for example), but one can say with certainty that MFSL
discs are at least very good.


   List of "Original Master" Type Releases:

Vinyl
  MFSL:
    Dark Side of the Moon
  Columbia:
    Wish You Were Here
    The Wall
    Collection of Great Dance Songs

CD
  MFSL:
    Atom Heart Mother [scheduled: Jan 1994]
    Meddle
    Dark Side of the Moon
    The Wall
  Sony:
    Shine On - boxed set
    Amused to Death SBM
    Wish You Were Here SBM
  Capitol:
    Dark Side of the Moon XX (remastered)


  Sony's Super Bit Map Process
  [from DAve Cowl:]

  Basically, the procedure is as follows.

  One samples the analogue at 20 bits. (Or one takes a 20 bit master.)
  Apparently, new digital recorders are being made which will record 
  20 bit samples - previously a hard disc recording system was required
  (and seems to be the way they still do it mostly).

  Then one analyses the round off bits, to accurately acertain the
  quantisation noise.

  The quantisation noise spectrum is calculated, and then shaped so that
  the noise is shifted to be mainly in the higher frequencies, where it
  is less audible. The total noise level is the same - just  frequency
  band where the noise occurs differs. this modified quantsation noise is
  then used to choose the last bit (or 2 bits?) of the 16. So, instead of
  being white noise added to 14 bits resolution, or (apprently worse)
  pure quantisation noise, it is an accurately smapled waveform with the
  noise largely shifted away from the lower frequencies.

  The result is supposed to be difficult to distinguish from the 20 bit
  master.

  The REALLY good news, is that once the expensive special packaged discs
  are all sold, normal CDs will be pressed with the SBM masters. A logo
  will indicate SBM mastering.


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19.  "What were the working titles for some songs/albums?"

Several Pink Floyd works had early titles that never made it to album.  Here
is a list of those we know about:

Original title		        Today's title
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~		        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let's Roll Another One          Candy and a Currant Bun
Games for May                   See Emily Play
The Amazing Pudding             Atom Heart Mother Suite
Libest Spacement Monitor        Embryo

Through The Knotholes In
  Granny's Wooden Leg,
Nothing To The Sun
  And Back,
Return of The Son 
  of Nothing                    Echoes

The Massed Gadgets of Hercules  A Saucerful of Secrets
Eclipsed                        The Dark Side of the Moon
Ecclesiastics			The Great Gig in the Sky
Baby Blue Shuffle in D#		Narrow Way Part 1
The Dark Side of the Moon       Brain Damage
Murderistic Woman               Careful With That Axe, Eugene

Of Promises Broken,
Signs of Life,
Delusions of Maturity           A Momentary Lapse of Reason

The Violent Sequence            (became the basis for "Us and Them")
Raving and Drooling             (became "Sheep")
You Gotta Be Crazy              (became "Dogs")

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20.  "A Collection of Great Concert Setlists"

[Compiled with great help from the "ASOS" and "Journey Through Space &
Time" books]

London Free School (Powis Gardens)--October, 1966:
Pink Theme; Let's Roll Another One; Gimme a Break; Piggy Back; Stoned Alone;
I Can Tell; The Gnome; Interstellar Overdrive; Lucy Leave; Take Up Thy
Stethoscope and Walk; Flapdoodle Dealing; Snowing; Matilda Mother; 
Pow R. Toc H.; Astronomy Domine

Top Gear Show (BBC)--September, 1967:
Flaming; Apples and Oranges; Scarecrow; The Gnome; Matilda Mother

Top Gear Show (BBC)--December, 1967:
Vegetable Man; Scream Thy Last Scream; Pow R. Toc H.; Jugband Blues

Top Gear Show (BBC)--June, 1968:
Julia Dream; Murderistic Woman; Let There Be More Light; Massed Gadgets of
Hercules

Fantasio, Amsterdam, Holland--September, 1969:
Let There Be More Light; Interstellar Overdrive; Keep Smiling People; Flaming;
Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; A Saucerful of Secrets

Fairfield Hall, Croyden, England--January 1970:
Astronomy Domine; The Violent Sequence; Set The Controls for the Heart of 
the Sun; Careful With That Axe, Eugene; Embryo; Main Theme (From More); Biding
My Time; A Saucerful of Secrets

Fillmore West, San Francisco--March 1970:
Atom Heart Mother; Cymbaline; Green is the Colour; Careful With That Axe, 
Eugene; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Embryo; A Saucerful of
Secrets; Interstellar Overdrive

City Hall, Sheffield, England--December 1970:
Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast; Embryo; Fat Old Sun; Careful With That Axe, 
Eugene; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; A Saucerful of Secrets;
Atom Heart Mother

Hunter College, New York--May 1971:
Embryo; Fat Old Sun; Atom Heart Mother; One of These Days; Careful With That
Axe, Eugene; Cymbaline; Echoes; A Saucerful of Secrets

Rainbow Theater, London--February 1972:
_The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_; One of These Days; Careful With That Axe, Eugene;
Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Echoes

Radio City Music Hall, New York--March 1973:
Obscured By Clouds; When You're In; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun;
Careful with that Axe, Eugene; Echoes; _The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_

American Tour, Spring 1975:
Raving and Drooling; You've Got to be Crazy; Shine On You Crazy Diamond 
(Parts 1-5); Have a Cigar; Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts 6-9); 
_The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_; Echoes

"In The Flesh" world tour, 1977:
Sheep; Pigs on the Wing (Part 1); Dogs; Pigs on the Wing (Part 2); Pigs (Three
Different Ones); _Wish_You_Were_Here_; Money; Us and Them

David Gilmour American Tour--Summer 1984:
Until We Sleep; All Lovers are Deranged; Love on the Air; Mihalis; Cruise; 
Short and Sweet; Money; Out of the Blue; Let's Get Metaphysical; You Know
I'm Right; Run Like Hell; Blue Light; Murder; Comfortably Numb

Roger Waters European and American tours--Summer 1984:
Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Money; If; Welcome to the Machine;
Have A Cigar; Wish You Were Here; Pigs on the Wing; In The Flesh; Nobody 
Home; Hey You; The Gunners Dream; _The_Pros_and_Cons_of_Hitchhiking_; Brain
Damage; Eclipse

Roger Waters American Tour--Spring 1985:
Welcome the the Machine; Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun; Money; If;
Wish You Were Here; Pigs on the Wing; Get Your Filthy Hands off My Desert;
Southampton Dock; The Gunners Dream; In The Flesh; Nobody Home; Have A Cigar;
Another Brick in the Wall (Part 1); The Happiest Days of our Lives; Another
Brick in the Wall (Part 2); _The_Pros_and_Cons_of_Hitchhiking_; Brain Damage;
Eclipse

Roger Waters, KAOS Tour--Fall 1987:
Radio Waves; Welcome to the Machine; Who Needs Information?; Money; In The 
Flesh; Have a Cigar; Pigs (Three Different Ones); Wish You Were Here; Mother; 
Molly's Song; Good Old Days; The Powers That Be; Going to Live in L.A.; 
Sunset Strip; Fish Report With A Beat; Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking; Arnold 
Layne (video); If; Every Stranger's Eyes; Not Now John; Another Brick in the 
Wall Part I; The Happiest Days of Our Lives; Another Brick in the Wall Part II; 
Nobody Home; Home; Four Minutes; The Tide is Turning (After Live Aid); 
Breathe; Brain Damage; Eclipse  

American Tour--Autumn 1987 (Sept 5 through 25):
Echoes; Signs of Life; Learning to Fly; A New Machine (Part 1); Terminal 
Frost; A New Machine (Part 2); Sorrow; The Dogs of War; Yet Another Movie; On
The Turning Away; One of These Days; Time; On The Run; Money; Another Brick
In The Wall (Part 2); Comfortably Numb; One Slip; Run Like Hell; Shine On You
Crazy Diamond

American Tour--Later in Tour, 1987:
Shine On You Crazy Diamond; Signs of Life; Learning To Fly; Yet Another Movie;
A New Machine Part I; Terminal Frost; A New Machine Part II; Sorrow; Dogs of 
War; On The Turning Away; One Of These Days; Time; On The Run; Wish You Were 
Here; Welcome To The Machine; Us And Them; Money; Another Brick In The Wall 
Part II; Comfortably Numb; One Slip; Run Like Hell
(added "Great Gig in the Sky" before WYWH when I saw them in July 1988)

Knebworth -- (June 30, 1990) 
Shine On You Crazy Diamond; Sorrow; Wish You Were Here; The Great Gig In
The Sky (with Clare Torrey); Money; Comfortably Numb; Run Like Hell


[the "Echoes" shows from the MLOR tour are as follows:

  09 Sep   Lansdowne Park Stadium, Ottawa, Ontario 
  12 Sep   The Forum, Montreal, Quebec 
  13 Sep   The Forum, Montreal, Quebec *
  14 Sep   The Forum, Montreal, Quebec *
  16 Sep   Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, OH *
  17 Sep   Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, OH 
  19 Sep   JFK Stadium, Philadelphia, PA **
  21 Sep   CNE Stadium, Toronto, Ontario 
  22 Sep   CNE Stadium, Toronto, Ontario 
  23 Sep   CNE Stadium, Toronto, Ontario 
  25 Sep   Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, IL 

  *-"Shine On" included with encore
  **-"Shine On" included with encore, "One Slip" not in encore


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21.  "Who played on the various tours, (other than Floyd)?

Atom Heart Mother tour (part):
	Orchestra & Choir


Dark Side of the Moon tour: (US)
	Dick Parry		saxophone
	The Blackberries	female vocal duo


"In The Flesh" tour: (_Animals_)
 	Snowy White		guitar
	Dick Parry		saxophone & keyboards


"The Wall" tour: (first series--New York, L.A., & London)
	Andy Bown		bass
	Snowy White		guitar
	Willie Wilson		drums
	Peter Wood		keyboards
	Jon Joyce		vocals
	Stan Farber		vocals
	Jim Hass		vocals
	Joe Chemay		vocals


"The Wall" tour: (second series--Dortmund & London)
	Andy Bown		bass
	Andy Roberts		guitar
	Willie Wilson		drums
	Peter Wood		keyboards
	Jon Joyce		vocals
	Stan Farber		vocals
	Jim Hass		vocals
	Joe Chemay		vocals


David Gilmour "About Face" tour:
	Mick Ralphs		guitar
	Mickey Feat		bass guitar
	Chris Slade		drums
	Raff Ravenscroft	Saxophone
	Jody Linscottt		percussion
	Gregg Dechart		keyboards


Roger Waters "Pros and Cons" tour (1984):
	Roger Waters 		bass
	Andy Newmark	 	drums
	Eric Clapton	 	lead guitar
	Tim Renwick	 	rhythm guitar
	Chris Stainton	 	piano
	Micheal Kamen		keyboards
	Mel Collins		saxophone
	Katie Kassoon		backing vocals
	Doreen Chanter	 	backing vocals


Roger Waters "Pros and Cons" tour (1985):
	Roger Waters		bass
	Katie Kissoon		vocals
	Doreen Chanter		vocals
	Andy Fairweather-Low	guitars
	Andy Newmark		drums
	Jay Stapley		lead guitar
	Michael Kamen		keyboards
	Mel Collins		saxophone


Roger Waters "Radio KAOS" tour:
	Graham Broad		drums
	Paul Carrack		keyboards & vocals
	Doreen Chanter		vocals
	Mel Collins		saxophones
	Andy Fairweather-Low 	guitars
	Katie Kissoon		vocals
	Jay Stapley		guitars
	"and Jim Ladd as the DJ"
	Clare Torrey		"Great Gig in the Sky," Wembley Arena show

Momentary Lapse of Reason tour:
	Rachel Fury		vocals
	Jon Carin		keyboards, vocals
	Scott Page		saxophone & guitar
	Tim Renwick		guitars, vocals
	Guy Pratt		bass guitar, vocals
	Margaret Taylor		vocals
	Durga McBroom		vocals
	Lorelei McBroom		vocals (later replacing her sister, Durga)
	Gare Wallis		percussion


Roger Waters "Wall in Berlin" show:
	[lots of guests who aren't listed here, plus:]
    The Bleeding Heart Band:
	Graham Broad		drums
	Rick Difonso		guitar
	Andy Fairweather Low	guitar & bass
	Nick Glennie-Smith	keyboards
	Snowy White		guitar
	Peter Wood		keyboards
	Joe Chamay		backing vocals
	Jim Farber		backing vocals
	Jim Haas		backing vocals
	John Joyce		backing vocals
	

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22.  "What is the address of Pink Floyd's management?"

[from the David Gilmour "About Face" tour book:]

	Steve O'Rourke
	EMKA Productions, Ltd.
	43 Portland Road
	London, W11 4LJ
	01-221 2046

And, for Roger Waters:

	Mark Fenwick
	63a Kings Road
	London
	SW3 4NT

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23.  "What is this 'Holophonics' stuff, anyway?"

[From a posting by....umm...me:]

> By the way, has anybody really noticed the "huge improvement" in sound
> staging produced by Mr Zuccarelli and his labs?  If so, explain what's
> so special.

I noticed it.  It really does give a certain amout of imaging, around you
rather than just between the speakers.  When Waters did his Pros & Cons show
on the radio in 1985, he did an introduction where he walked to a timpani,
struck it with his fingernail, and then said "If I ask you to point where
that timpani came from, [here I pointed over my right shoulder] and if you
don't point over your right shoulder, then we're in trouble."  It was
impressive. 

As for just what it *is*, they were *very* secretive.  They had "ringo the
holophonic microphone."  The process was based on holography, but of an audio
form (you can do holography with *any* wave-based phenomena).  The theory was
that there were high frequencies generated by the ear (and some people have
been shown to "generate" some frequencies from time to time), and that sounds
interfere with these frequencies, and the interference pattern is what we
interpret.  So, what holophonics is is a conversion of sounds directly to
that interference pattern.

Now, the fact that this sounds like a crock is immaterial, because it does
work.  So, just what is it?  Most (including myself) believe it's just a form
of binaural recording.  That "ringo" is probably just a dummy head with
microphones where the ears are.  And when you listen with headphones, your
ears are right where those microphones were, and you hear it as if you were
actually there.  Binaural is *fantastic* fun, and I wish more people would
work with it.  It's a shame, though, that Floyd/Waters got duped into
believing that Zuccareli's process was anything special....

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24.  "UAQs (Unanswered Asked Questions)"

Here we present some questions that have been asked that nobody's really
come up with an answer for yet.


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25.  "General Trivia...."


In "Pink Floyd--Live at Pompeii:"
  Nick Mason breaks a drum stick during 'One Of These Days...', then 
continues to play furiously with one hand while he gets a new stick from a
little container attached to his drum kit.
  The Dog in Madmoiselle Nobs keeps its eyes on the camera during the 
sequence.


On the _Ummagumma_ album cover, the last "reflection" in wall is of the
cover to _A_Saucerful_of_Secrets_.


The cover to _A_Nice_Pair_ was comprised of several different cover ideas
that Hipgnosis came up with, plus several more new ones (they couldn't 
make up their minds, so, "why not use them all?")  Many of these pictures
represent common sayings or phrases:
	Frog in your throat
	Fork in the road
	Kettle of fish
	Laughing all the way to the bank
	A nip in the air
	Flying saucers
	A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
	going in circles


One concession made by Pink Floyd to Roger Waters as a result of the
great Floyd Lawyer Wars was the concept of the "Pig."  Waters had sued
to stop  the Floyd from using many of their now-standard concert
features, like the huge screen, weird animated movies, and in
particular, the floating pig. So when Pink Floyd went on the road, they
not only credited Waters with the concept (seen in the DSOT Video
closing credits - "Original Pig  Concept: R. Waters"), they also changed
the pig's gender.


There's a violin at the end of "Wish You Were Here," but it's nearly 
impossible to hear (it's at the end, right after all the wind stuff
starts).   Violinist Stephane Grappelly was recording in a downstairs
studio, and Gilmour had suggested that there be a little  "country
fiddle" at the end of the song, so they talked Grappelly into coming up
and recording a bit.  They hardly used anything of his (in fact, they
felt that giving him an alubm credit would be insulting), but they
enjoyed listening to him play.  He did get about 300 Pounds for it,
though...


When Pink Floyd was recording "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," 
they received a visitor in the studio.  He basically kept 
to himself, occasionally getting up to brush his teeth.  From
_Pink_Floyd:_The__Illustrated_Discography_: "During the WYWH 
sessions a fat, shaven-headed person wearing grey Terylene 
trousers, a nylon shirt and string vest wandered into the studio. 
The band ignored the visitor and kept on playing and it was the 
visiting Andrew King who finally recognised their guest: 
'Good God, it's Syd! How did you get like that?' To which Syd 
replied, 'I've got a very large fridge at home and I've 
been eating a lot of pork chops.' The whole event was slightly
un-nerving since the theme of the album was based on Syd and his
subsequent madness." 


The fourth best-selling rock album of all time is _Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_:
  1 - Thriller
  2 - Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack
  3 - Rumors
  4 - Dark Side of the Moon
It stayed on Billboard's top 200 album chart until July 23, 1988, when it
dropped off the charts for good.  It had been there for 736 weeks, the
longest of any album, ever.  The second longest chart stay was at somewhere
around 300 weeks, for (I believe) Carole King's _Tapestry_.


On the inner sleeve for David Gilmour's _About_Face_ lp, printed in the 
bottom right-hand corner, is "Fleudian Slip."


The lake on the _Wish_You_Were_Here_ inner sleeve is Mono Lake, in
California. The strange rock formations are a result of the *extremely*
high mineral content of the water there.  It's a protected area.


In the movie "The Wall," there are a lot of scenes in the background of a 
WWII film called "The Dambusters."  It's the story about 617 squadron, 
which attacked 3 Ruhr dams in 1943 flying specially converted Lancasters 
carrying Barnes Wallis's "bouncing bomb" and it is the film of this event 
featured in the Wall movie. The raid  was lead by Wing Commander Guy 
Gibson who survived the raid  and was awarded the Victoria Cross for his 
part in it. Guy Gibson died later in the war. [it was previously reported 
on Echoes that the squadron had been commmanded by Leonard Chesire, who 
started the Memorial Fund for Disaster Relief that the Waters' Berlin 
concert benifited.  Thansk to Ray O'Hara for clearing this up.]


"Where the hell are you?  Where the hell are you Tyler?" heard just
before the song "Vera" is from the movie "Battle of Britain".  The
airplane that you hear crashing afterward is Tyler's.


What the heck is a VCS3??
    The VCS3 is an analog synthesizer.  It possibly means:
        Voltage
        Controlled
        Synth.
        3 [ three osc. for waveform generation ]


The title "Meddle" was meant to be a pun--"a play between 'medal'
(the thing that you wear for achieving something) and 'interfere'"


According to Autoweek, some of the cars that Nick Mason owns (and 
races) are:
        Ferrari 250 GTO
                F40
                246 GTS Dino
        Bugatti 35B
        Alfa 2300
        Maserati 250F


A portion (the instrumental bits) of "Seamus" was used as the theme song 
for the movie "Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are Dead."  

On the "Pink Floyd 25th Anniversary" radio show last year, Roger said that 
the lyrics for "Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun" came straight out 
of a book of Chineese peotry from the late Tang period.  Except for the 
title, which he said came from within him, somewhere.  It was later decided
that the lyrics were "stolen" from _The Winds of Limbo_ by Michael Moorcok.


Zabriskie Point Song Titles (from NeXT Digital Webster):
  Fin-gal's Cave (fin'g'lz)
      large cavern on an islet (called Staffa) west of Mull in the
      Hebrides, W Scotland
  Oe|no-ne (e no'ne) [L < Gr Oinone]
      Gr. Myth. a nymph deserted by her husband, Paris, for Helen of Troy
  O|may-yad (o mi'ad', -yad) n., pl. -yads' or -ya-des' (-e dez', -ye-)
    [after Omayya, great-granyfather of the first caliph in the dynasty]
      any of a dynasty of Muslim caliphs who rules at Damascus
      (661-750 A.D.), or of a closely related branch ruling in Spain
      (756-1031)


The Capitol pressing of More LP (SW-11198). The record (not
sleeve) has following titles for "Up The Khyber" and "Quicksilver":

	Up The Kyber (Juke Box)
	Quicksilver (Water-Pipe)


[From AJTS&Tw/PF, courtesy of Toapher (summary chart by djs):] "Dark
Side of the Moon" on the USA Top 200 Charts: Debuts on 17 March 1973
and stays until 19 October 1974 (84 weeks) but falls off.  Appears on
the charts again on 12 April 1975 and stays until 6 March 1976 (lost
24 weeks, but stays for 48 weeks more).  Back on charts again on 18
December 1976 and stays for a record 11 years until 23 April 1988
(lost 40 weeks but gained 591 weeks).  On USA charts for a grand total
of 723 weeks:
        on chart   off chart   on chart  off chart   on chart
   17Mar73 --> 19Oct74   12Apr75 --> 6Mar76   18 Dec 76 --> 23 Apr 88
  weeks:   84          24         48         40         591   723 on, 64 off
 months:   19          6          11         10         125   155 on, 16 off
  years:   1.6         0.5        .9         .8        11.3   13.8 on, 1.3 off


I beleive that ummagumma was a slang term for knockin' boots.
(Knockin' boots of course being a slang term for doing the Wild Thang,
which is, of course, slang for having sex.) [from Steven Dobbs] Of
course, Rock and Roll was a slang term for--you get the picture.  So,
looked at that way, the album "Ummagumma" could simply mean "Rock and
Roll." [djs]


On "Seamus," you can hear someone say "Here is the real dog" right before 
one of the dog's solos.


The following, straight from the Fillmore Wast 24 April 1970 show,
sheds a bit more light on the song Cymbaline:
  Roger: "This one's called Cymbaline, and it's about a nightmare"


On the latest Primus CD there is a lyric on song #12 that goes
"If you studied your Floyd properly, you'd know that pigs could fly"


Semtex is an "inexpensive" czechoslovakian plastic explosive.


On the box set, in the print around the weird logo (with all the overlapping
album titles) is the working title for Shine On, "The Big Bong Theory."


The weird noises & "radio sounds" between "Have a Cigar" and "Wish You Were
Here" were picked randomly from a radio. The music includes a snipped of 
Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony, and the interview includes "and you, Derek, this 
star nonsense, what do you think of it?"  In concerts, the band extended the 
bit by playing live off-air samples from the local town, and then switching 
into the pre-recorded bit from the album.


The DSOT album cover is meant (according to its designer) to capture what was
so special about a Pink Floyd concert--sight and sound.  "So you have Mr. Light
in a showdown with Mr. Sound.  The whole thing was shot in Spain."


On "Gohill's Boots:"  
    Gohill's is a shoe store in Camden, North London (UK). The boots referred
to in The Wall would have been short ankle boots with an elasticated 'gusset'
(rather than laces). These were 'de rigeur' in London in the late '60s and
Gohill's was THE place to get them.


It is mentioned in Walk Away Rene that the cover of DSOTM was specifically
designed by Hipgnosis so that if you fold it out (the LP, that is) and put it
end to end with other copies then they all fit together, thus perpetuating
the cyclic theme of the album.


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26.  "I found this paper on an Internet site, have you seen it?"

If you're talking about the "Influence of Drugs and Alcohol on Pink Floyd," 
then, yes, we've seen it.  In fact, most of the people who've read it have 
found that it's full of errors and just generally not well written.  Not 
meaning to be too judgemental, you can feel free to draw your own conclusions 
on the paper.  But it is quite well known, and available at many archive sites.


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Section 2 - The Early Years

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01.  "What does 'Pow R. Toc H.' mean?"

Well, most people seem to feel it means "Power Toke" or "Power
Tokage" or something along those lines.  Having had little experience
with tokes, I'll take their word for it.  Personally, I've always read
it as "Power Touch," but the only problem with that is that the space
is between C and H, not between O and C. 

Here's another bit--courtesy of Steve South and the Longmans
Encyclopaedia:

  Toc H, an interdenominational Christian fellowship of men and women
  of every social background, with branches throughout the world, which
  seeks to promote an understanding of the meaning and purpose of life
  through unreserved involvement in the community. Founded in 1915, it
  started its work in a soldiers' club at Talbot House (Toc H was the army
  signallers'  designation  of  the  initials  TH)  at  Poperingtie,  Flanders.
  Incorporated by royal  charter  in  1922,  it is organized  in groups and
  maintains residential houses called 'marks'.


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02.  "What was 'Let's Roll Another One'?"

The flip side to Pink Floyd's first single, "Arnold Layne," was
originally a song called "Let's Roll Another One."  Now, the Floyd were
already known to be heavily connected with the drug-influenced
psychedelic underground, but their record company wasn't about to
release anything with such a blatent drug reference.  So, they had
Floyd change the song.  Though the original lyrics and recording have
been lost to the public, it is reasonable to  assume that the only
change made to the song was to remove the line "let's roll another one"
and replace it with "candy and a currant bun."  The rest of the song,
including the line "please, just fuck with me" were presumably left
intact.

There are some ROIOs that claim to include this song, but to the
best of my knowledge, none of these are actually the original song. 
Mostly, they're just bad recordings of disconnected guitar phrases,
with a lot of noise, wow, flutter, and general garbage all about.  And
no lyrics whatsoever.


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03.  "What is 'Chapter 24' about, anyway?"

[From a posting by G.J.den Hollander:]

Well, since we've been discussing this a lot, I have found the answer.
As I was going to my local bookstore I found a book called I Ching (the
book of changes) in an English translation, and I did look up Chapter 24
and guess what ??

It's called "Fu" meaning Change/success (like in "Change become success"
and is a very nearly transcript of this song.  It contains lines like:

"A movement is accomplished in 6 stages, and the 7th brings return," only
paraprased.

Also from the same chapter:
"The 7 is the number of the Young wise, it forms when darkness [.. == 6 ..]
is increased by 1."



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04.  "What was the song list for the original US _Piper_ release?"

The US release of _Piper_ was a bit different than the UK release.  Here 
are the track lists for both of them [from a posting by bear]:

us release of 'piper at the gates of dawn'
 * see emily play
 = pow r. toch
 = take up my stethoscope and walk
   lucifer sam
   matilda mother
   the scarecrow
   the gnome
   chapter 24
   interstellar overdrive

uk release of 'piper at the gates of dawn'
 * astronomy domine
   lucifer sam
   matilda mother
 * flaming
 = pow r. toc h.
 = take up thy stethoscope and walk
   interstellar overdrive
   the gnome
   chapter 24
   scarecrow
 * bike


Note also that the double-album _A Nice Pair_ is almost, but not quite, 
"Piper."  The version of "Astronomy Domine" that appears on ANP is not the
original studio version, but is instead the live version that appears on 
_Ummagumma_.  Other than that, it is identical to the original UK Piper.

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05.  "What are the parts of 'A Saucerful of Secrets' called?"

On the album ASOS, the title track is simply called "A Saucerful of
Secrets."  On some pressings of Ummagumma, however, the piece is broken
down into four sections.  These sections are called:

  Something Else		(the opening part)
  Syncopated Pandemonium	(with the drum tape-loop and such)
  Storm Signals			
  Celestial Voices		(the closing spacey part with the voices)


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06.  "Who is 'Eugene," and why should he be careful with that axe?"

Well, there used to be an interesting story that explained both the
identity of the protagonist and how Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
lost his right-hand ring finger.  However, it turns out that the story
isn't exactly true (Garcia is missing the finger, but his brother's
name is not Eugene, it's Tiff.)

Here's another possibility:

"Careful With That Axe, Eugene" was the flip side of "Point Me at the
Sky."  Some people believe that PMatS starts off with the line "Hey,
Eugene/This is Henry McClean/And I've finished my beautiful flying
machine." [which, BTW, is another debate, for another time].  Anyway,
Chris Hoffman mentioned this:

    I really don't want to add more fuel to this thread, but I just played 
    "Point Me at the Sky" (my roomate's first ever exposure to this song).  
    My roomate seems to remember a book from his childhood called 
    _Eugene_and_His_Flying_Machine_, or something like that.  He thinks it 
    may have had another kid in it named Henry. I don't want anyone 
    thinking I'm setting this forth as fact, but does anyone know of a book 

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07.  "What does the Pict say in 'Several Species....'?"

First off, what *is* a Pict?

    Pict :  A member of a possbly non-Celtic people who once occupied
    Great Britain, carried on continual border wars with the Romans, and
    about the ninth century became amalgamated with the Scots.


As to what's being said, that's hard to say.  But I think it's been accepted 
that it's somebody (probably Waters) imitating a heavy Scottish accent.  The 
following (from posting by Brian Tompsett to rec.music.misc) is about the best
job I've seen at deciphering what's being said.  It even makes a certain
amount of sense...

   Aye an' a bit of Mackeral settler rack and ruin
   ran it doon by the haim, 'ma place
   well I slapped me and I slapped it doon in the side
   and I cried, cried, cried.

   The fear a fallen down taken never back the raize
   and then Craig Marion, get out wi' ye Claymore out mi pocket
   a' ran doon, doon the middin stain
   picking the fiery horde that was fallen around ma feet.

   Never he cried, never shall it ye get me alive
   ye rotten hound of the burnie crew.
   Well I snatched fer the blade O my Claymore
   cut and thrust and I fell doon before him round his feet.

   Aye!

   A roar he cried
   frae the bottom of his heart that I would nay fall but as dead,
   dead as 'a can be by his feet; de ya ken?

   ...and the wind cried back.

   Thank you.


[There has been much discussion on Echoes as to whether he is saying
"And the wind cried back" or "and the wind cried Mary" in that last
line.

Personally, "back" makes sense to me, from a literary point of view.
The speaker of the poem dies ("So how did he write the poem, eh?")  and
the other person (Craig Marion?) cried out at his friend's death, but
there was no reply.  Just the cries of the wind...

Your mileage probably differs.  My opinion has not changed. -- djs]


[from Adam Winstanley:]
   Regarding Several Species .... the most recent edition of the
   Amazing Pudding has a short piece on that. Waters does most of it
   but if you have one of those old record players that can do 16rpm
   you can hear Gilmour in the middle somewhere and if you speed it
   up to 78rpm you can hear Roger saying "Bring back my guitar." Ron
   Geesin isn't on the track although he parodied it on a track
   called "To Roger Waters, Where-ever you are."


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08.  "What were 'The Man' and 'The Journey'?"

[with much help from Adam Winstanley and others]:
    In fact several concert recordings exist of The Man and The Journey and 
    many people probably possess [ROIOs] of these peices without realising it.
    The Man and The Journey were two parts of "More Furious Madness From The 
    Massed Gadgets of Auximenies" and consisted of several well-known Floyd 
    tunes linked into a concept piece as follows:


    MORE FURIOUS MADNESS FROM THE MASSED GADGETS OF AUXIMENIES

    PART ONE: THE MAN (representing a day in the life of a man)
    Daybreak (Granchester Meadows)
    Work and Afternoon (Biding My Time)
        [the band was served afternoon tea on stage at this point]
    Doing It (instrumental) (Grand Vizier's Garden Party, pt 3)
    Sleep
    Nightmare (Cymbaline)
    Daybreak (reprise)

    PART TWO: THE JOURNEY
    The Beginning (Green is the Colour)
    Beset By Creatures of the Deep (Careful With That Axe Eugene)
    The Narrow Way (The Narrow Way part 3)
    The Pink Jungle (Pow R Toc H)
    The Labyrinths of Auximenes
    Behold the Temple of Light 
    The End of the Beginning (Sauceful of Secrets - final part)

    The complete piece lasted about 70 minutes.

    This information comes from the 1969 Pink Floyd tour programme parts of
    which were reproduced in an early Amazing Pudding (No. 13 I think) and also
    from listening to [ROIOs] and tapes from this period:

    14 April 69: Royal Festival Hall, London (I think the original performance)

    8th August 69: Plumpton Festival (The Journey only - Roger actually
    introduces it as "The Journey - the second part of a piece we played on our
    tour earlier this year" - or something like that)

    17 September 69: Concertgebouw, Amsterdam (This was broadcast on Dutch
    radio and versions exist with the radio announcer saying some of the titles
    given above). From the recent Amazing Puddings and Brain Damage I see this
    is available on CD [ROIO]. It also used to on a vinyl [ROIO] called "The
    Man."


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09.  "Where do the different parts in 'Atom Heart Mother Suite' start/end?"

The "Atom Heart Mother Suite" is a side-long instrumental split into
six different parts.  Most of the divisions are marked by a return of
the main theme of the piece, played by everybody (group and orchestra).

The first part, naturally, is Father's Shout, with all the weird sounds,
horses, and ends with the motorcycle.

The second part, Breast Milky, starts off as a duet for organ and viola,
and gradually includes drums, guitar, and the rest of the orchestra. (2:59)

Then Mother Fore begins, this section is a quiet choral section, with mostly
chorus and organ. (5:22)

Funky Dung has a lot of guitar, strong bass, and that weird choir singing 
things that sound vaguely like "toast....coffee...yeah...." or "saa saa saa
saa saaa.....brrrrrrrrrroooooooooonnnn."  (10:11)

Mind Your Throats Please is the strange (like it's not all strange?)
part that begins with alternating organ notes.

After the slower beginning with organ & such, a section that Echoes has
been calling the "Overload" section begins, with lots of out-of-sync voices
and sounds & such, sounding a bit like the Beatles' "Revolution 9."  This
is either part of "Mind Your Throats" or "Remergence," depending on whose
opinion you ask. (15:25)

Remergence, then, is the climactic final section. (17:44)

Also, some CD's have index marks on them.  So, we have two ways to
break up the six parts of AHM:

  Section Title                EMI's Indicies   Our "Guess"
 (a) Father's Shout         	0:00 -  5:20  	0:00 - 2:55
 (b) Breast Milky            	5:20 - 10:09 	2:55 - 5:19
 (c) Mother Fore             	10:09- 15:26 	5:19 - 10:08
 (d) Funky Dung              	15:26- 17:44 	10:08- 15:23
 (e) Mind Your Throats Please	17:44- 19:49 	15:23- 17:44
 (f) Remergence             	19:47- end   	17:44- end

Although these are could possibly be wrong (what do CD makers know
about music?) this could be called EMI's "official" interpretation of
where the parts start and finish...  Personally, I can't find myself
agreeing with the CD's putting everything up to 5:20 in "Father's
Shout."  It just doesn't "feel" right.  We'll have to wait and see
what MFSL does with the song...

But, wait, there's more!

Algo (or Dirk Gently, or Oren Souroujon, depending) would like to
voice his opinion:
    [everything up to here as above]
    Mind Your Throats Please:   13:18
    Remergence (A):             15:24
    Remergence (B):             19:08

    Therefore, in Funky Dung there's the funky guitar, in MYTP there are
    the strange syllables, and that's where I think the voice comes from,
    the next part is the Remergence which does sound like sort of a mix,
    and finally the main theme again which is remerged. (Breast Milky is
    remerged too at that point)

I guess this all just goes to show you how subjective some of these
things can be.... 


Also, in other AHM Suite Trivia, there are two voices that can be clearly
heard:  at 17:28, a voice says "Here is a loud announcement."  And, at 
19:08, "Silence in the studio!"




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10.  "Who is 'Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast' written for?"

It's named for Alan Stiles, a roadie of Floyd's back then.  The band was
never very happy with this piece, even though it was played in several 
concerts.  Early British pressings of the album had the sound of the water
dripping from the tap continue into the trail-off groove in the record, 
allowing some turntables to play dripping water forever (or until someone
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11.  "What is said at the end of 'Fearless'?"

The chanting you hear at the end of "Fearless" is from a football (or
soccer, if you're American) game in Liverpool.  It's "You'll Never
Walk Alone," from the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical "Carousel."  The
song has been "adopted" as the sort of anthem for the Liverpool team,
and is even engraved over the gate at their home stadium.  The
recording on Meddle is sung by Liverpool's loyal fans, and includes:

  And you'll never walk/alone/in the dark/alone
 
Followed by some screaming, whistling, then "LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL!"


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12.  "'One of These Days' tidbits..."

The voice in the middle of "One of These Days" is Nick Mason, and he says 
"One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces."

At about 2:45 or so, there's a faint organ riff that sounds a lot like
the Dr. Who theme to a lot of people.

Also, from Scott Eberline (with help from Gerhard):
  In the Westwood One broadcast of Waters' Quebec performance of
  Radio KAOS, a member of the audience asked Waters who it was he
  wanted to cut into little pieces.  Apparently this brought back
  fond memories for Waters, who replied that it was an English disk
  jockey named Jimmy Young.  The song was meant as a personal
  attack.  The band used to play bits and pieces of Jimmy Young's 
  radio show spliced together in a completely nonsensical manner, 
  immediately before playing "One of These Days".  

[example--on the ROIO "Caught in the Crossfire," during "Alan's Psychedelic
Breakfast," you can hear things like "Georgia, lovely greenwood" and 
"And here's for you, Monkey doo."]

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13.  "I heard a concert recording with a different verse for Echoes!"

Yes, apparently there are some roios out there with some different
opening verses.  One is called "Mauerspecte" (which, BTW, has been
known to be defective many times, so try before you buy).  It comes
from Berlin on 5 June, 1971.  (Another recording of the same show is
available on "Lost in the Corridors.") Here are a few attempts at
deciphering the lyrics, the first by Jonathan Baumgartner, the next
two by bear & Gerhard den Holland, and finally a bit from P.C. de
Bond:

   ??? sitting face to face
   Onto the ??? now sweep
   If ever swinging light ???
   A path in union deep in space

   Ever might this monster land(?)
   And fearlessly, two shadows watch
   ??? (can't understand this whole line)

   And if that volume(?) to be won
   the parting song sound is gone
   I'll see you got to travel on
   and on and on around the sun

   Then comes the "Strangers passing in the street" verse.

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             (bear)                              (Gerhard)
    Planets sitting face to face        Planets sitting face to face
    Sun to the air and land how sweet   bound to the air of life, how sweet
    In every single lighting place      in ever single fighting pace
    The planet here in dreaming space   the planet here is deep in space

    Perfect night this was so grand     Echoes might this once were land
    And give us leave to share as one   And give us leave to share as one
    Our two lights in the land          Our two lights in the land 
    For one light can                   For one light can

    And in that coming to the one       And in that coming to the one
    The parting sighs sound as one      The parting sighs sound as one
    I see you've got to travel on       I see you've got to travel on 
    And on and on around the sun.       And on and on around the sun

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and P.C. de Bondt's 2 cents worth.

    1st verse:
     - 2nd line:       Sun -> Run
                       land -> round
     - 3rd line:       In -> If
    3rd verse:
     - 2nd line:       sighs sound as one -> song of sound is gone
 
This one is rather interesting--if anyone finds a boot from a
different date, or with a clearer recording & can make out more
lyrics, please post to the list!


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14.  "What was played on the BBC's John Peel show?"

These shows include some of the best "live" performances of early Floyd
material.  Here's some information (from "Journey Through Time & Space..."
(as posted by Adam Stanley)):

  16 September, 1970. Paris Theatre, London UK. 
	"Sounds of the Seventies: John Peel Show," BBC 1 Radio. 
	(Broadcast at 6:00 pm).  
  [This is the broadcast of the show; the recording date is unknown, 
  but it was probably a few days prior to this.]
	The Embryo - 10:30
	Green Is The Colour/Careful With That Axe Eugene - 11:30
	If - 4:30
	Atom Heart Mother - 26:00
	Total time: 55:00
  (This is the only live performance of "If" (as far as we know) by the Floyd,
  with Roger on acoustic guitar and Rick on bass and organ simulanetously.
  "Atom Heart Mother" was performed with the accomniment of The Philip Jones
  Brass Ensemble.)

  30 September, 1971. BBC's Paris Theatre, London UK. 
	(Recording for the "John Peel Show") 
	(Recorded live on the 30th, and broadcast on 5 October on BBC 1)
	(Yes, folks..it's the 5th, not the 3rd, check your 1971 calenders!)
	(Broadcast at 10:00 pm, BBC 1 Radio, London UK.) 
	Embryo - 10:30
	Blues - 5:00
	Fat Old Sun - 15:00
	One Of These Days - 8:00
	Echoes - 28:00
	Total time: 68:00
  Note: "The John Peel Shows" was only 55 minutes long. "Embryo" and "Blues" 
  were never broadcast in the UK.  They were only aired on WNEW-FM, New York
  City, USA (sometime in 1971?) This WNEW portion was broadcast only once,
  unfortunately. The 5 October 1971 and 16 September 1971 shows are
  re-broadcast nearly every year in the USA on the "King Biscuit Flour
  Hour." However, it is a combination version of the two shows and is
  incomplete.


  This is some additional information that I have figured out on my own.
  The version of Embryo that most people have is from the 1970 show.  It is 
  easily identified by the Echoes-like section in the middle.  The version of
  Embryo from 1971 is much different.  It is available on the Wavelengths 
  ROIO.  I have not found the version of Blues yet, but someone out there
  must have it.  All most all of the CD boots of these shows are combination,
  except for the Swinging Pigs discs, and one called Early Tour Years, which 
  is a double disc with each show on its own disc.  And as a side note: When 
  the BBC recorded the Dark Side show at Wembley in 1974 for a broadcast, 
  they also recorded Echoes, but it has never been aired.  So as a result, 
  we are missing a great version of Echoes, with a sax solo!


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15.  "The lyrics to Echoes on the server are wrong!!!"

Well, maybe they are, and maybe they aren't.  This has been discussed
to death (and then some) on the list, and what you see on the server 
represents about the best compromise that we have been able to achieve.

Okay.  We'll get into one particular about this song, and hopefully that'll help keep the noise level down.  Does the line say "Everything is green and submarine" or "Everything is green and summery?"

Proposition:  It says "submarine."

Supporting evidence: [thank you, Dean Herbert]

    1) "Overhead the albatross" - albatrosses are ocean birds.

    2) "Deep beneath the rolling waves" - Certainly implies the ocean.

    3) "Labyrinths of coral caves" - Coral, get it?  CORAL.  OCEANS.

    4) "Everything is green" - it's the color of the OCEAN WATER.

    5) "And submarine." - submarine is being used as an adjective here,
        not a noun.  ADJECTIVE.  ADJECTIVE.  NOT NOUN.  GET IT?


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16.  "Does Syd Barrett play on any tracks on ASOS?"

It's thought that he contributed guitar work to Jugband Blues and
Corporal Clegg.  We're not sure, however.  [Someone once produced some
good information on this, but it's been..umm..misplaced... ;-(]


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17.  "Is Relics available on CD?"

"No."

It was at one time rumored to be part of a special boxed set (of CDs
from "Piper" through DSOTM), and also has been available in the past
as a limited product in Europe.  This rumor has never been proven
true.  Then, for a while, it was available in New Zealand (with the
"ancient coins" cover), but has since been dropped.

It hasn't been seen for quite a while now.  If you find one, buy it.
If you find more than one, buy them all.  You will almost certainly
find takers on Echoes for the extra copies.


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18.  "There's a different verse for 'Free Four' in the movie."

[Thanks to Geoff Rimmer (grimmer@nyx.cs.du.edu) for this one... - djs]

I don't remember seeing this in the FAQ or on the mailing list, so for
those who haven't rushed out and bought the video of "The Valley
Obscured By Clouds" (Warner Home Video.  Cost me $69.95 + POSTAGE!),
here are the lyrics of Free Four in the film version:


(fades in ...)
Are the deeds of a man in his prime
You shuffle in the gloom of a sick room
And talk to yourself as you die

And life is a short warm moment
And death is a long cold rest     (*)
You get your chance to try
In the twinkling of an eye
In eighty years with luck
Or even less

So take my advice                         }
And cut yourself a slice                  }  This is roughly the same
And try not to make it too big            }  tune as "So all aboard for
'Cos things are hard to grow              }  the American tour...
And I can tell you                        }  you may find it hard to get
'Cos I know                               }  off"
It's better not to make yourself sick.    }

(jumps horribly to the following...)

He was buried like a mole in a foxhole
And everyone's still on the run
And who is the master of foxhounds
And who says the hunt has begun?          (*)
And who calls the tune in the courtroom   (*)
And who beats the funeral drum?           (*)

The memories of a man in his old age
Are the deeds of a man in his prime
You shuffle in the gloom of a sick room
... (fades out)


(*) are sung differently from the OBC album.

[Note that the film has dialogue over the top of the music, and this
version isn't available w/out the dialogue, at least not that we know of.]

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19. "The running order on the OBC tape is wrong."

Yup.  Not sure why that was done.  Sometimes the order of songs is 
changed for cassettes, in order to make it all fit on a shorter amount of
tape (without wasting extra tape at the end of one side because of a longer
opposite side).  That's probably what's happened here.

The original running order was as follows:

     Obscured by Clouds
     When You're In
     Burning Bridges
     The Gold it's in The...
     Wots...uh the Deal
     Mudmen
     Childhood's End
     Free Four
     Stay
     Absolutely Curtains

And the "modified" running order is:

     Obscured by Clouds
     When You're In
     Burning Bridges
     The Gold...
->   Free Four
->   Mudmen
->   Childhood's End
->   Wot's ...
     Stay
     Absolutely Curtains



NOTE: A similar discrepency has been noted for the tape of Ummagumma,
which apparently excluded about half the album in some releases (for a
one-tape release).

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20.  "Pink Floyd did music for a lot of movies.  What were they about?"

Here's a list of all the movies that we know prominently featured Floyd music:

The Committee				1968
Tonight Let's All Make Love in London	1968
More					1969
Zabriskie Point 			1970
La Valee [Obscured by Clouds]		1972
Live at Pompeii				1973
Crystal Voyager 			1975
The Wall				1982
La Carrera Panamericana			1991


The Committee: [from Scott Frank--how does he FIND these things?]
        This movie takes place on the "Planet Craytic," and features music by 
    Pink Floyd and The Crazy World of Arthur Brown.  The plot has been 
    described as follows: "Fantasy - Murderous hitch-hiker summoned by strange 
    committee."
        The music has never been released.

Tonight Let's All Make Love in London:
        A "documentary" of the underground life in London in the late
    60's.  Features a 16-minute version of Interstellar Overdrive, as well as 
    multitudes of interviews. 
        Available on CD, with an 11-minute bonus track, "Nick's Boogie."

More: [from Geoff Rimmer]
        Supposedly an anti-drugs film.  Naive German guy arrives in Paris,
    meets up with another guy who shows him around and takes him to a
    party.  He meets a girl there [IMHO she is absolutely gorgeous!
    Worth watching the film just for her!].  He goes round her place
    where she teaches him to smoke grass.  They go off to Malta, and
    sniff coke, drop acid and inject H.  The acid makes her freak out,
    screaming at him, saying he's the devil etc.  The guy is obviously
    getting addicted to the H - keeps wanting more and more (hence
    film's title) and eventually ODs in a dark alley.
        Availble as part of Floyd's regular catalog.

Zabriskie Point: [from Toapher]
         I'm the first one to admit that Z Point is not your mainstream, top
    quality movie, but that does not mean that it's not worth seeing.  It does
    move rather slowly and the plot is not what I would call rivetting.  But
    what's important is to understand the era in which it was made.  The movie
    was filmed in 1969.  This was near the peak of civil unrest in this
    country.  While the acting might not be academy award material, the movie
    is a very accurate portrayal of the trials and tribulations of the youth
    subculture.  We tend to look back at the 60's in a very romantic light, but
    the truth is that it must have been a *very* difficult time for everyone.
    Z Point tries to shed some light on that aspect of the era, rather than
    just portray it in the "Summer Of Love" way.
         In addition, there is a sub-plot that pervades the movie.  The words
    to "Crumbling Land" indicate that The Floyd were aware of this and
    understood what that sub-plot was about.  The female lead worked for a
    group of land developers who were working on creating a community in the
    desert.  They were trying to take a piece of land that was not capable of
    sustaining human life and transforming it.  This required robbing resources
    from nearby ecosystems, destroying the natural habitats on the site, and
    polluting an otherwise clean area.  The "famous" sex scene that took place
    at Zabriskie Point itself was a celebration of the natural beauty and 
    purity of the undisturbed landscape.
        Now available on CD.  With various artists.

La Valle: (also called _The Valley Obscured By Clouds_) [Geoff Rimmer again]
        A woman wants to obtain some rare bird feathers and goes on an
    expedition with some guys up a mountain.  They are going to search
    for a place no one has previously mapped (this is because the area
    is obscured by clouds) called The Valley.  The woman gets the
    feathers, decides to go back alone, changes her mind and continues
    with the rest in search of The Valley.  After much walking they
    are running out of food and the air is becoming thin - they are
    exhausted.  Then, someone says "I see the Valley".  End of film.
        Part of Floyd's regular catalog.

Live at Pompeii:
        Basically a music video.  Filmed at the ruins of a Pompeii ampitheatre,
    includes interviews with the band, and a peek inside the studio while
    recording DSOTM (or at least pretending to).
        Available on video only.

Crystal Voyager:
        Apparently a surfing film.  Only reason for inclusion is film's use
    of "Echoes," in its entireity.  Uncertain as to any availability.

The Wall:
        Movie version of the album.  Includes new recordings of several songs,
    as well as new song "When the Tigers Broke Free."
        Soundtrack available on video only.  "Tigers" available on Waters'
    Berlin promo CD, and as 7" single.

La Carrera Panamericana:
        Documentary of trans-Mexican road race, featuring David Gilmour, Nick
    Mason, and manager Steve O'Rourke.  Includes new music & instrumental
    versions of older songs.
        Available on video only.



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Section 3 - The Glory Years

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01.  "What is that 'twist' or 'wow' in 'The Great Gig in the Sky'?"

Exactly that--a tape anomoly.  It is possible that the Floyd never
noticed this when they recorded the song, or they did, but it was so
faint that they didn't care anymore, or perhaps it happened long after
the tape was finished and the master just got damaged.  In any event,
if you listen very closely  to the end of the song, you can hear the
last low note sort of "burp" a bit.

Others have argued that Pink Floyd are too much of a "purist" in
terms of their work and would never have allowed a glitch like that to
be distributed without having some reason.  What that reason is,
however, is anybody's guess.


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02.  "What's the music at the end of 'Eclipse'?"

Nobody knows.  But everyone seems to have heard it at one time... If
you listen to the very very end of "Eclipse", and turn your volume up very
very high, you will very very faintly hear some music.  This has been pointed
out on Echoes several times, but nobody has ever been able to pinpoint 
exactly what the song is.  Some think it's a Beatles song, others, classical
music.  And why is it there?  A studio trick?  Or just sound bleeding through
from another studio?  Truth is, we'll probably never know...

Apparently, however, the original "Black Label" Harvest CD does *not* have
this music.  Curiouser and curiouser....

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03.  "Where did the voices on DSOTM come from?"

People.  Lots of people.  Just like you and me (sort of).  What the band 
did was this: they prepared a bunch of questions, questions like "When was
the last time you thumped someone?" "Why are you frightened of dying?" and
"Were you in the right?"  Then they took people off the streets, out of other
recording sessions, and from within the Abbey Road staff, sat them down in 
front of a microphone, and handed them a random card, instructing them to 
say whatever comes to mind.  Answers like "I haven't had a good thump in 
years, absolutely years" and "I don't know [if I was in the right], I was 
really drunk at the time" made it on to the album.  Most of the voices are
completely anonymous, but the "stoned laughter" (along with the "short, 
sharp, shock" bit) from "Brain Damage" are from roadie "Roger the Hat," and
the Irish Doorman to Abbey Road is the man saying that "there is no dark side
of the moon, really...as a matter of fact it's all dark."


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04.  "Doesn't 'Great Gig' say something like 'You are dying'?"

No.  It doesn't.  Absolutely not.  And if you are convinced that it
does, then, sorry, you're wrong.  [my apologies for the stern answer--this
has been a topic of debate just a few times too many for me. -- djs]

At about 3:32 into the song, there is a background voice.  It's of a
woman, and the what she says is "I never said I was frightened of
dying."  Presumably, the question she'd been asked was "Why are you
frightened of dying," and this holds for the other voices on that
song, as well.  A common mis-interpretation of this phrase is "If you
can hear this whisper, you're dying."  That's not it...


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05.  "The 'Brain Damage' and 'Eclipse' on _Works_ sound strange..."

That's because they're different!  The versions on that album are
not from the regular DSOTM mix, but rather from the quadraphonic mix
(I know this, I've actually compared it with my quad lp).  This would
make sense, actually, when you consider that _Works_ was an American
release, from Capitol, and that Capitol's first DSOTM CD was taken
directly from the quadraphonic LP master.  Anyway, the only real
difference is in the voices of "Roger the Hat," the roadie who
supplied a lot of voices to the album.  In the regular mix, he talks a
bit in the background of the song, in the quad mix, he just laughs
(and laughs and laughs....).

Also, some people have said that the version of "Set The Controls For
the Heart of the Sun" sounds much clearer on _Works_ than on ASOS.


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06.  "Have Pink Floyd ever done any advertisements?"

Yes.  In 1974, Pink Floyd were approached by a French soft-drink
company that produced a bitter lemon drink called "Gini."  The idea was
that the Floyd would appear in some magazine ads for the company, and
the company would in turn help the band with the tour, resulting in
cheaper tickets for the fans, and more money for the band.  What could
be better?  

However, this was ten years before such corporate sponsorship would
become commonplace, and fans reacted badly to the advertisements, as
did the band. Waters wrote a song about selling his soul in the desert
(called "Bitter Love," or "How Do You Feel?"), and the band donated the
money Gini paid them to charity.

The band has, in late 1993, entered into some sort of
advertising/promotion arrangement with VW.  This may very well be to
help finance their upcoming tour.  Many bands seem to be doing this
nowadays, as tours become more and more difficult & expensive to
produce.


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07.  "Why are the 'black label' DSOTM discs so expensive?"

[From an article in Record Collector magazine:]

In the early 1980s, when the compact disc first appeared, the discs themselves
were imported from Japan, which was at that time the only country with the
facilities to manufacture the new format.  Initial British issues of 
_Dark_Side_, _Wish_You_Were_Here_, _Meddle_, _Animals_, _The_Wall_ and 
_The_Final_Cut_ had "Made in Japan" on the discs themselves, while the inserts
stated the country of origin as the U.K.

These early discs - which are said to be superior to standard U.K./U.S.
issues - can easily be distinguished because they have an all-black label
side with silver lettering.  These Japanese-manufactured CDs are now highly
prized by hardcore collectors, both for their vastly superior sound quality
and for their rarity.  Expect to pay around #20 [20 UK pounds] or so for
copies.

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08.  "Where do the different parts in 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' start/end?"

"Shine On" was originally supposed to be a side-long composition,
but it grew to more than a side (it's about 30 min. long), and the
band decided that it'd work better with the three other songs in the
middle.  In any event, the song is divided into nine parts, but
naturally it's rather difficult to tell where they start and end.
Here is something, pulled from Guitar magazine by Chris Walsh, that
should help figure them out:


 Part I - Gilmour soloing, orchestra-like keyboard chords, some synth horn. 
 Part II - Begins with "Syd's Theme", the four note (Dah DAH dah DAH..) riff 
          that is repeated throughout this part of the song. (3:35)
 Part III - Rick's synth horn solo. (6:29)
 Part IV - Vocal section. (8:42)
 Part V - Sax solo. (11:10)

 Part VI - Odd-sounding synth, then goes into some decent lap steel by Gilmour.
 Part VII - Second vocal section. (4:52)
 Part VIII - Rather jazzy synths. (6:04)
 Part IX - Closing funeral dirge-like synth horn solo. (9:09)

The CoGDS version consists of parts I, II, IV and VII. The DSoT version
consists of parts I - V.


[and below are excerpts from the interview with David Gilmour that the
above was gleaned from:]

"Side one begins with "Shine On, You Crazy Diamond", the ambitious
nine-part epic song cycle. 'Part I' commences with an opening
orchestra prelude...."  "David Gilmour's blues-infected guitar voice
enters (at 2:09) in response to the horn line, as if to officially
announce the sound of Pink Floyd."... "A strong thematic idea,
affectionately dubbed 'Syd's Theme', is played at 3:35 and signals the
beginning of 'Part II'."... "In 'Part III' (6:29), a hint of the
funeral mood of the coda is heard in the somber horn melody of the
next blues transformation - now a slow straightforward Gm blues
12-bar..." "'Shine On, You Crazy Diamond, Part IV' contains the
classic vocal sound of the cycle (8:42)."... "At 11:10, a model jazz
sax solo, by guest perfomer Dick Parry, is brought in, improvising
over the drone of 'Syd's Theme', signalling a transition to 'Shine On,
You Crazy Diamond, Part V'"... "The overlapping synth noise is a segue
back to 'Shine On, You Crazy Diamond, Part VI.'"... "By 2:32, the
slide guitar dominates [Part VI] and delivers two dramatic choruses of
portamento bottleneck lines over the new 12/8 shuffle feel, setting up
the move to 'Part VII'. Here, a recap of the guitar melody from 'Part
IV' acts as a retransition [into the vocal theme]"... "In 'Part VIII',
a fingerpicked arpeggio variant of 'Syd's Theme' is heard (6:04) over
a sustaining synth tone.  This creates a transitionto a new mood
(6:30), a strutting Gm jazz/funk groove.."... "The last section
(coda), 'Part IX', is introduced by a synth pedal point, which grows
in volume as the previous goove dissipates. A slow 4/4 funeral march
(9:08) becomes the parting musical eulogy to Syd."


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09.  "Who is Roy Harper, and why did he sing 'Have a Cigar'?"

Roy Harper is a "street singer" from England, popular in the 1970's.  
Waters didn't like the way he was singing "Have a Cigar," and Harper was
in another studio at the time making an album.  So, they brought Harper
in, and had him sing it.  Though Waters feels that Harper did "a fine job
of singing it, a song can never sound quite right to the person who actually
wrote it."

Roy Harper is also the subject of a Led Zeppelin song, "Hats Off to Roy
Harper," from their third album.

A bit more information, courtesy of Scott Lindsey:

Harper is much more a song-writer much more than a musician, in the same
way Bob Dylan is.  He's been recording since the late '60's and has 
released about 18 or so albums, including the duo effort with Page, "What 
Ever Happened to Jugula?" which also featured Gilmour.  Like Dylan, he 
doesn't have the greatest voice, but it is somewhat unique, albeit not 
as recognizable as Dylan's.  Much of his released material is simply vocal 
with acoustic guitar.  He's very British and at times very political - very 
much the cynic.  His music isn't for just anyone and for some is an 
accquired taste.  What some find "pointed" others find "grating."  
Definitely not pop music.  Not even as pop as someone like Peter Gabriel.
He tends to be admired by other musicians, though, including Floyd, Zep,
Gabriel, and Kate Bush.  If you're someone who can appreciate good songs,
overlooking (or accepting) a rough performance style, Roy Harper's 
definitely one to check out.


There is also a Roy Harper mailing list.  Harper also helped out David 
Gilmour on his first solo album, helping to write & sing "Short and Sweet."

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10.  "Didn't the Pig fly away once?"

Yep.  When they were photographing the cover for _Animals_.  They did the
photography on two different days.  The first day was kind of dark and 
dismal, and the pig simply wouldn't float (not enough helium or something like
that).  So they all "took some photographs, had some champagne, and went
home."  The next day was a beautiful day with nary a cloud in the sky, and
the pig floated up fine.  In fact, it floated too well--it broke away from
its mooring and reached a height of nearly 10000 feet before heading back
down to Earth, scaring quite a few pilots in the process.  

The cover of _Animals_ is a combination of the two photographs--the 
dismal power station from the previous day, and the floating pig from the
day it flew away.  The film for "Pigs (3 Different Ones)" used on the tour
was taken that second day.


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11.  "Didn't the Pig fall into the audience once?"

Not to my knowledge.  One thing that did fall on the crowd, though,
was a big pyramid, as Waters described what happened in a radio 
interview:

  We started doing outdoor gigs, so we had to have a roof, so
  I thought "I know what we can do...why don't we build an
  enormous pyramid, and we could fill it with helium, and at
  the end of the show we could let it go." This was 60 foot--the
  base of this thing was 60 feet.  There was a lot of
  trouble getting that past the rest of the lads.  Nicky was
  always a great ally, Nick Mason, was always a great ally in
  all of these things.  He liked the idea of it, and finally we
  did it, and it was unbelievable.  It was at Three Rivers
  stadium in Pittsburgh, and suddenly this thing went WHOOSH!
  It was on a cable, you know, so that we could try and get it
  back again.  Then it turned upside down and the balloon that
  was inside it short off into outer space and the rest of it
  fell to the earth in the crowd and was ripped into a million
  pieces and they all took a bit home.


According to Ted Clement, a roadie risked falling on the crowd once:

  On May 6, 1988, I attended Pink Floyd's MLoR Tour performance at
  Sullivan Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts. It was an evening concert,
  and the weather wasn't cooperating (cool and breezy with heavy drizzle).
  As you can well imagine, the show was rife with mechanical failures due
  to the environmental conditions.

  During the show, the wind changed direction, blowing drizzle directly
  toward the band. Whole banks of lights, amplifiers and other electronic
  equipment shorted and shut down. None of these failures, however, were
  as dramatic as what happened to the pig:

  A steel cable was strung across the stadium, and during the show, the
  pig emerged from under a canvas covering at the stage end and moved
  out suspended over the crowd. The pig was an anatomically-correct boar,
  with evil, glowing red eyes and large white tusks. The pig turned
  wildly, snout toward the ground, as if it were deciding which direction
  to charge, its blood-red spotlights piercing the crowd.

  When the stage crew tried to retrieve the pig, it got stuck out over
  the crowd and wouldn't reel in. Some crazy-ass roadie crawled out on
  the cable, hand-over-hand, out to where the pig was. As he got closer
  to the pig, his body weight drew down on the cable, lowering the pig
  closer and closer to the crowd. The fans were going bezerk! Some people
  were climbing onto others' shoulders, reaching up as the pig came down
  into reach. Somebody got hold of the pig's tail and ripped it off. The
  whole thing deflated as the crowd ripped the tail into take-home pieces!

  In an incredible feat of strength, the roadie pulled the deflated pig
  carcass (together with the hardware which made it move) back toward the
  stage. Through the whole incident, the band continued to play. 

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12.  "What album did Snowy White play guitar on?"

Animals.  Sort of.  They were setting the album up to be released
on the US 8-track tape (remember those?) and needed a bit of music to
bridge the two versions of "Pigs on the Wing."  He was "available" at
the time, and recorded a short guitar solo.  To the best of my
knowledge, this extra bit of music is currently unavailable.

Apparently, there is more than one version of this tape.  The best we 
can guess, the tape was originally distributed such that you'd hear the 
beginning of "Pigs on the Wing (part 1)" when you first listened to the tape.
Then, you'd hear the rest of the album, as you'd expect, and finish up with
"POTW (2)," which would then fade into the Snowy White piece, and then 
back into POTW1.  Which would mean that you'd have to be in the *middle* of
program one to listen to the album from the beginning.

However, a couple Echoesians claim to have a copy of the 8-track, that 
had POTW1-->Snowy White-->POTW2.  Which would really screw up the running
order of the album, since the album is *supposed* to be "bracketed" by the
two shorter POTW songs.  

Anyway, regardless of how the Animals 8-track was arranged, we have it on
good authority that this is the only Floyd album on which Snowy White
appeared.  He has also appeared with the Floyd in a couple of tours.

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13.  "What were the original lyrics to _Animals_?"

Pink Floyd toured in 1975 with the following new songs:  "Shine On,"
"You Gotta Be Crazy," "Have a Cigar," and "Raving and Drooling."  Two were
later recorded and released in late 1975 on WYWH, but the other two were
shelved until they reappeared in 1977, modified, on Animals.  Here are the
lyrics as they sounded in 1975, taken from a tour program [thanks, Tom Hood]:

[from Bruce Hammerle:]



Raving And Drooling

   Raving and drooling I fell on his neck with a scream
   He had a whole lotta terminal shock in his eyes
   Thats what you get for pretending the rest are not real
   Bubbling and snapping at far away flies
   He will zig zag his way back through 
   Memories of boredom and pain
   
   How does it feel to be empty and angry and spaced
   Split up the middle between the illusion of
   Safety in numbers and the fist in your face

Gotta Be Crazy
=====================

You gotta be crazy, you gotta be mean
You gotta keep your kids and your car clean 
you gotta keep climbing, you gotta keep fit
You gotta keep smiling, you gotta eat shit

You gotta be small to be a big shot
You gotta eat meat to stay at the top
You gotta be trusted, gotta tell lies
You gotta be able to narrow your eyes


You gotta believe the've gotta believe you
You gotta appear easy to see through
Gotta be sure you look good on T.V.
Gotta resemble a human being

You gotta one eye over your shoulder
Gonna get harder as you get older
Gotta fly south and hide in the sand
Gotta forget your gonna get cancer

And when you loose control, you'll reap 
   the harvest you have sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood 
   slows and turns to stone
And it's too late too lose the weight you
   used to need to throw around
So have a good drown as you go down alone
Dragged down the by the stone

Gotta be sure, you gotta be quick
Gotta divide the tame from the sick
Gotta keep some of us docile and fit
You gotta keep everyone burying this shit

I gotta admit to a lot of confusion
Pain in the head is the child of collusion
Gotta resist the creeping malaise
You gotta believe in the way you 
   out of the maze
But you, you just keep on pretending
You can tell a sucker from a friend
But you still raise the knife to
   Stranger, lover, friend and foe alike

Who was born in a house full of pain
Who was sent out to play on his own
Who was raised on a diet of shame
Who was trained not to spit in the fan
Who was told what to by the man
Who was broken by trained personnel
Who was fitted with bridle and bit <??GRIT??> [makes sense now]
Who was given a seat in the stand
Who was forcing his way to the rails
Who was offered a place on the board
Who was only a stranger at home
Who was ground down in the end
Who was found dead on the phone
Who was dragged down by the stone

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14.  "Who is 'Whitehouse'?"

In "Pigs (3 Different Ones)," there's a line "Hey you, Whitehouse/Ha ha, 
charade you are."  This isn't referring to the "White House" in Washington,
but instead refers to Mary Whitehouse, a British "moral majority" type 
person.  At one point she was head of the "National Viewers and Listeners
Association," which campagins for broad national moral standards in radio
and TV.


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15.  "What cities did the Wall tour go to?"

   Los Angeles, California  7-11 February 1980
   (During the first performance the curtain caught on fire from 
   pyrotechnics used early in the show.)

   New York, New York  24-28 February 1980

   London, England  4-9 August 1980

   Dortmund, Germany  13-20 February 1981

   London, England  13-17 June 1981


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16.  "Why isn't 'Hey You' in the Wall movie?"

"Hey You" was originally going to be in the Wall film, and pictures
from the shot footage can even be found in the picture book of the
film (with lyrics), but it was left out.  The following is taken from
the "Behind The Wall" interview with Roger Waters & Ray White.  It
was recorded (7/19/90) the week before Roger's Berlin Wall concert.

White>  Were you pleased with the movie?  I was kind of disappointed
        with the movie.
Waters> So was I.  I sat with Alan Parker when we fin... and we had
        a....  It was a nightmare making it.  We just screamed and
        screamed at each other, particularly through the editing of the
        thing.  Then, then I dubbed it with James Guthrey reel by reel
        and as we got the the end of each reel we would look at the
        reel and go "Hey, that's not bad you know.  It's a little bit
        busy, but it's okay."  But then when we put all 13 reels together
        and sat and watched it, I felt my heart going lower and lower
        and lower and sank into my boots.  I found it almost unwatchable.
        Which is why I think it's so successful on video; 'cause you
        don't have to watch the whole thing.  You can watch your favorite
        bits or you can fast forward or you can... and you don't have to
        sit there and be bombarded with this unremitting assault on the
        senses, like you had to in the cinema.
White>  In a huge... with a huge screen and big sound system.
Waters> Yea, with all that boom boom up and so um....  In fact when we
        finished works on these 13 reels I potted off to the bar and
        Alan came through and we stood in the garden and both felt very
        depressed.  We were hardly speaking when Stanley said "What
        d'ya think?" and I said "We've got to cut out reel 7." and he
        went "Okay... What else."  and uh....
White>  What was reel 7?
Waters> Hey you.  Just threw it away.  The thing was just too long and
        too... and on it's own it's great.  It's been destroyed unfort-
        unately; I tried to find it and ah about 6 months ago.  It was
        all kinds of stuff with lines of um British Bobbies in riot gear
        and uh you know.  There was lots and lots of rioting.  Which was
        very prophetic.  This was 3 years before the Brickstone riots
        which was the first time their new riot gear was used.


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17.  "What is 'When The Tigers Broke Free?"

"Tigers" is a song written for the Wall film about the British
invasion of Anzio, Italy during WWII.  Roger Waters' father, Eric
Fletcher Waters (to whom _The_Final_Cut_ was dedicated) died in that
invasion, so it is partily (if not wholly) autobiographical.  The song
was split into two parts in the movie, and released as a single.  The
single came in a special picture gatefold sleeve, had the movie
version of "Bring The Boys Back Home" as a B-side, and featured the
note "Taken from the album _The_Final_Cut_" (which, of course, never
featured the song).  It is also available on a special DJ sampler CD
issued to highlight the more recent achievements of Waters' career as
a marketing thing for the Berlin concert.  This is the only place that
it is available on CD (it is, of course, available in digital sound on
the Wall videodisc, but it's broken up into two parts).


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18.  "What is said right before 'Empty Spaces'?"

The soft gibberish you can hear in the background here is a
backwards message.  When you play it backwards, you hear:

   "Congratulations.  You have just discovered the secret message.  
Please send your answer to Old Pink, care of the Funny Farm, Chalfont"

and, in the background, after that, even softer:

   "Roger, Carolyn's on the phone!" <pause> "Okay."


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19.  "What's said at the beginning and the end of _The_Wall_?"

At the very very very end of _The_Wall_, very quietly, is said "Isn't
this where" and at the very beginning, "we came in?"  It has been pointed
out that this kind of makes _The_Wall_ a complete musical "cycle,"
right down to the note.  


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20.  "What was the original order of the _Wall_?"

Originally, _The_Wall_ was supposed to include the song "What Shall We Do
Now?" but was cut because of time limitations.  The change was made so late
in the game, that the album sleeves had already been printed including the
lyrics and the original order.  

"What Shall We Do Now?" was to come right after "Goodbye Blue Sky," followed
with "Empty Spaces" showing up later (before "ABITW 3") as a sort of reprise.
Also, on side 3 of the album, they had planned to place "Hey You" after 
"Comfortably Numb," but that too was changed at the last minute.


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21.  "Who sang 'The Little Boy that Santa Claus Forgot'?"

This song appears at the beginning of the film "The Wall" (while slowly 
tracking down along the floor of the hotel corridor), and was sung by Vera
Lynn, who was a popular singer during World War II.

The Little Boy Who Santa Claus Forgot 

    Christmas comes but once a year
    for every girl and boy.
    The laughter and the joy
    they find in each new toy
    I'll tell you of a little boy
    who lives across the way
    The little fella's Christmas
    is just another day

    He's the little boy that Santa Clause forgot
    And goodness knows he didn't want a lot
    He sent a note to Sanda
    for some ??????? and a drum
    His broken little heart
    when he found that none had come.

A ROIO ("The Film") of the movie also includes at the end of side three
another song sung by Vera Lynn, "We'll Meet Again."  This is the song that
Waters was alluding to in "Vera," and goes something like this:

    We'll meet again,
    Don't know where,
    Don't know when,
    But I know we'll meet again,
    Some sunny day.

The song also appeared at the very end of the movie "Dr. Strangelove," when
the world was being destroyed by the "Doomsday Machine."


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22.  "What is sung by Pink in the stall in the 'Wall' film?"

When Pink is sitting in the bathroom stall, he sings, of course, "Stop."  
However, before he sings that, he sings scraps of other songs he has been
working on, reading them from his songbook.  These later became parts of
"Your Possible Pasts" from _The_Final_Cut_ and "The Moment of Clarity" from
_Pros_and_Cons_of_Hitchhiking_. 
 
Here is what he's singing:

    Do you remember
    The way it used to be?
    Do you think we should have been closer?

    I put out my hand
    Just to touch your soft hair
    To make sure in the darkness
    That you were still there
    And I have to admit
    I was just a little afraid
    Of the ones living under
    Their dirty old macks
    And the ones who were pointing
    The guns in their backs


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23.  "How can I tell where a particular Wall concert was recorded?"

It's not terribly easy to tell.  According to bear, here's what's on a
"claimed" Earls Court London 1980 recording:

  [before Young Lust]
	thank you!
	good evening!
	welcome!
	well at least neil diamond's not here.
	this is called "young lust"
	sorry neil, only joking

  [before Run Like Hell]
        welcome!
        are we gonna have a good time?
        does anyone hear like pigs?
        this is for all the weak people in the audience.
        is there anyone here who's weak?
        this is for you, it's called "run like hell."
        let's all of us clap

  quite possibly the only thing that will tell is the sound from the tv's
  during the show -- they were reputed to be the actual local broadcasts.

And, according to Douglas Whisler:

  What's most important is the pre-In-The-Flesh announcer and his/her
  remarks.  In London in '80, it's an American who identified himself
  as Gary Youngman.  His 'slo-motion' remarks prior to InTheFlesh indicate
  a London show.  (If it's auf Deutch, it's Dortmund...)  If it's a
  female voice listen for anything about "the marijuana initiative",
  this points to LA.

  We/I think most recordings are of London, even one claiming to be NY.
  (Until someone who saw the NY shows can tell us anything different.)


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24.  "There's an error in the lyrics for Dogs."

Yep. On the lyrics sheet (and also the on-line files, I believe), one of
the last few lines of the song reads something like:

    Who was given a seat in the stand

But the line that is sung is:

    Who was given a pat on the back

Why is it different?  Who knows.  Maybe it was changed by Waters at the
last minute, and they never bothered to change the lyrics sheet.

                                    

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25.  "When was DSOTM first played, anyway?"

The very first time they played it was on 20 January, 1972, though they 
stopped somewhere in "Money" due to technical problems.  They didn't return
to the piece until they held a gala "premiere" concert at the Rainbow in
London on 17 February, 1972.


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26.  "Is the Wall soundtrack available on CD?"

Nope.  It's never been released, in spite of the fact that the movie includes
the note "Soundtrack available on Columbia records and tapes" near the
end of the credits.  There have been a couple ROIOs of the soundtrack,
but your best bet would be to buy the Hi-Fi videotape of the film (or
get the new LaserDisc, and you'll have a digital copy of the soundtrack!)

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27.  "When and why did Richard Wright leave the band?"

During the sessions for _The_Wall_, Richard Wright was basically forced
out of Pink Floyd.  One story holds that Waters had even gone so far as
to threaten to destroy all the working tapes if Wright didn't leave.  Another
quotes David Gilmour as saying that Wright wasn't contributing much of 
anything, and hadn't been for a couple years, partially due to something of
"a bad cocaine habit."  He did play with the band on _The_Wall_ tour, but not
as a full member of the band.  Being paid on a wage, he was the only "member"
of Pink Floyd to actually make money on that tour (yes, the Floyd "lost 
their shirts" on that tour--it was so phenomenally expensive to put on, and
they did so few shows that they couldn't recoup their investment.  The rest of 
the band were "investors," as it were, but Wright's role was same as that of 
the roadies--fixed dollar amount per night or somesuch.  So he didn't get 
reamed like everyone else).


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01.  "Problems with the _Final_Cut_ CD."

There have been several reported problems with the CD of TFC, all of
which deal with where the title track begins.  The three versions we've
been able to isolate have the following "features":

	1. "The Final Cut" begins 3/4 the way through Southampton Dock.

	2. "The Final Cut" starts before he finishes with "...cut"at
	   the end of Southhampton Dock. (CBS)

	3. "The Final Cut" begins during the words "through the fish
	   eyed lens.." (Harvest)

And a note relating to this from Graham Williams:

   For some reason, when I play _The_Final_Cut_....am unable to "Fast
   Forward" through a track.  I get errors back from the drive.  I
   can fast forward through every other CD I have tried, except this
   one.  (By Fast Forward I mean skip some number of seconds and then
   sample the track, then skip some other number of seconds.)  Any
   one else noticed this, or even have an explanation?


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02.  "There's a lyric on _The_Final_Cut_ which isn't sung!"

This was noticed just recently, and basically surprised everyone that
they hadn't noticed it before (I know *I* was surprised).  In "Your
Possible Pasts," there is the following stanza:

   By the cold and religious we were taken in hand
   Shown how to feel good and told to feel bad.
>  Tongue tied and terrified we learned how to pray
>  Now our feelings run deep and cold as the clay.
   And strung out behind us the banners and flags 
   Of our possible pasts lie in tatters and rags. 

The two lines with ">" on them were not sung on the album.  Apparently,
these lines appear on the US LP and CD lyrics, but not on the UK copies.


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03.  "I heard an extra verse to 'Running Shoes' in concert.  What was it?"

Well, it's not on the album, and since ROIO's aren't always all that great,
it's hard to be sure exactly what the lyrics were.  But here's a pretty
close approximation:

    Ooh Babe, where ya been?
    You bring back the feeling
    the flavor of damp teenage skin
    and hot afternoons by the river
    spent crushing the clover
    I said "Lie down, roll over
    I wanna go back there again"
    Oh baby, sweet Fassbinder lady
    ooh, where ya been?


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04.  "Why is Yoko Ono mentioned in 'Pros and Cons'?"

[From a posting by Marshall Wood:]

  Regarding Yoko Ono, I read an interview with Roger somewhere where
  he said that those lyrics had been inspired by a dream that the
  drummer on the album had had (that would be Andy Newmark, I guess?).
  In Andy's dream, said Roger, he was standing on the wing of an
  airplane ("standing on the leading edge, the eastern seaboard spread
  before my eyes") and Yoko Ono was telling him to jump.  Personally,
  I don't tell people when I have dreams like this...    :-)

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05.  "What does the morse code on _Radio_KAOS_ say?"

The cover is pretty easy to decipher--it says:

ROGER WATERS RADIO KAOS WHO NEEDS INFORMATION THE POWERS THAT BE HOME
THE TIDE IS TURNING RADIO WAVES


The morse code at the beginning and end of the album, however, is
harder to decipher, and supposedly contains a deleted verse from "The
Tide is Turning."

Here's some information from Douglas Whisler:

  I only have part of it, where there is little or no other music with it.

  Explanation:	'.' is a dot, '_' is a dash,
         '|' is a 'space' between letters
         '?' is a place where there may or may not be an intended 'space'
         '/' is where the start and end 'cuts' are.
	'()' is parts where I start to lose it.


  Start: /..|-|..-|.--|-.|..|-.|--.|...|-.?--|(.-..)

  End:   --|.-|-.-.|....|---|-...|..-|.-..|.-..|...|....|..|-|.-|-.|-..|
         --|.|-..|..|---|-.-.|.-.|..|-|-.--|---|....|-|..|-.-|.|..?../


  No appologies to those who are too lazy to decode it from here.

  I kinda think the "-.-" on the last line would make more sense as "-.." 
  but that's the way I read it.  (note the ../ spliced to the /.. makes a ....)

  There are about 6 more places (mostly in tracks 3 and 4) where I still
  haven't been able to separate the morse from the music.

[So, does anyone actually *know* morse code?  I've looked in all my
reference books, and even my old Novice radio exam book (which I never
did take, BTW) doesn't have it.  I certainly don't remember enough to
read the above... -djs]

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06.  "What is the 'Lost Verse' to 'The Tide is Turning'?"

There was supposed to be another verse to this song, but it was removed 
because Waters was worried about lawsuits.  He did, however, sing it during 
some live concerts [which I have not been able to verify, due to lack of a 
decent ROIO of the KAOS tour].  The lyrics are:

  Now the past is over but you are not alone
  Together we'll fight Sylvester Stallone
  We will not be dragged down in his South China Sea
  of macho bullshit and mediocrity

This is also who Waters refers to later in the song when he sings "The
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07.  "Who is having that pilot/tower conversation in 'Learning to Fly'?"

That's Nick Mason, who recently received a pilot's license.  I believe
that David Gilmour is his co-pilot.  The conversation is an actual 
conversation between Nick and the tower, during one of his first solo 
flights.


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08.  "Differences between the US & UK Pros & Cons Lyrics Sheets"

There are some differences between the respective lyrics sheets.  For one
thing, the British version has the characters who say each bit listed, but 
the CBS version does not. This is from a posting by Dave Cowl:

Type of difference	British	EMI		US/Japan CBS

Extra			Surgeon:"Drill"         drill 
			Man:"Oh God!"		Wake up..	

Extra			Wife:"What border?      Uh, what border
			Go back to sleep"

Extra bit after Arabs	Arab:"Don't cut the 	
with knives		woman Mohammed, 
			I want the woman"

Extra line		You've got to admit 
			it was wrong what 
			you did.

Difference		oder drinken Mehr Ha..	oder drinken bier, ha..

Extra from Clerk	Room Clerk:"Goodnight
Keys bit		Sir"

Extra in Stay with Me!	Woman:"No...I'm sleeping"
Bit

Lost bit		4 lines of Sexual 
			Revolution Missing

Extra						(Thunder)

Difference		And trailed our..	And we trailed our..

Extra			..gets two presents" 
			(Man pauses to light 
			a joint)

Difference		Jump says Yoko 		Jump says Yoko Ono
			"Oh No!..

Extra			Trucker:"Hey ...Turn 
			the fucking Juke Box 
			Down"

Difference		In the company of has 	In the company of 
			beens In bent backs  	has beens and bent
			In sleeping		backs and sleeping


			Under tube trains in    Under tube trains and
			commuter accidents	commuter accidents

Difference		On loading ramps	On unloading ramps

Difference		Then the moment of	And the moment of 
			clarity.		clarity

I thought this would be of interest. The most amusing part is that in the
music book, the listed lyrics are the British ones, but the words against
the music are the CBS lyrics. Weird, huh!
 

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09.  "What were the original lyrics to Amused to Death?"

Some time ago, Penthouse magazine printed an interview with Roger Waters
in which some lines of "Amused to Death" were printed.  The lyrics
survived unchanged to the release of the album, so there's nothing
special to report here.


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10.  "What's the backwards message in 'Perfect Sense' say?"

It's really (REALLY) difficult to decipher.  I've managed to sample this
thing into my computer (but with some distortion since I was connecting 
a line out into a microphone in, but that's another story).  [if anyone's
got a good 44.1kHz stereo 16-bit sample, I'd love to see it!]  Anyway,
here's what I've been able to decipher, so far [along with further 
information from Piet de Bondt]:

  July [pause] however [pause] in the light and visions
  of the [very soft] issues of sterling [pause], we have
  changed our minds.  We have decided to include a backward
  message [pause] Stanley [pause] for you [pause] and all
  the other [dramatic pause] geek partners.
  [pause] [very loud, noisy, screamed sentence] 
  [end of song (well, actually the beginning, but we're 
  backwards, now, remember?)]



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11.  "What does the title 'Amused to Death' refer to?"

Television.  Specifically, a book by Neil Postman, called
"Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business."

It's apparently a very well-received book, and worth reading.  Publishing 
information, for anyone interested:

  (cloth: New York: Viking,  1985; ISBN: 0670804541)
  (paper: New York: Penguin, 1986; ISBN: 0140094385)


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12.  "Just how much money does Floyd make, anyway?"

It really depends.  The MLOR tour made LOTS of money, as you can see
below.  The Wall thour, however, lost money in a big way.  And, as
happens to many mega-successful entertainers, the Floyd have made
their share of bad investments.  The list & short article that follows
at least gives an indication of at least what league they're in.

(taken from Forbes magazine)

                                            GROSS INCOME     2YEAR TOTAL
    RANK                                      89     88      
1989   1988  Star/age                        ---------million $---------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1       1    Michael Jackson/31                65    60         125
2       3    S.Speilberg/41                    64    41         105
3       2    B.Cosby/52                        60    35         95
4       8    Mike Tyson/23                     26    45         71
5       6    Charles Schulz/66                 28    32         60
6       5    Eddie Murphy/28                   22    35         57
7      19    Pink Floyd (3 members)            25    31         56
8      __    The Rolling Stones (5 members)    44    11         55
9      14    Oprah/35                          30    25         55
10     13    George Michael/26                 11    36         47


"PINK FLOYD
Rock Group: $56 million

Over the last two years this durable, two-decade-old but still flashy band
has grossed $56 million from touring and record sales, with hypnotic albums
like Dark Side of the Moon. Band members have come and gone, but masterful
lead guitarist David Gilmour has held the act together, crafting the often
ominous, surrealistic songs that are the themes for their imposing stage
shows. Clearly, the refurbished Floyd has thrived under Gilmour's lead. Its
1988-89 North American and European tour grossed an estimated $135 million,
and was highlighted by a floating concert extravaganza in Venice, which was
televised in 20 countries."

[The "three members" considered in PF in the Forbes list were Gilmour, 
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13.  "Didn't They Get In A Crash And Nearly Mangle Themselves To Death?"

One of Nick Mason's favorite pastimes is auto racing.  He, David Gilmour,
and Steve O'Rourke (their manager) participated in a road race in
Mexico called "La Carrera Panamericana" in late 1991.  They later released
a TV-movie of the car race, directed by Gilmour, with a little "new" Pink
Floyd music for backing (including "One Slip").

During the race, there was an accident.  The movie didn't provide in-depth
coverage of the accident, just about the same coverage as other crashes
received.  Here is a transcription of the voice-over regarding Dave & Steve's
crash (courtesy of Martin Pitwood):

     "They went into a corner too fast.  Either through misreading the pace
     notes or whatever and, er, basically took off over the edge of a cliff
     and landed, I think upside-down, on a small road below.  The general
     feeling seems to be that they are incredibly lucky to have got away
     with it so lightly.  Dave is fine, maybe a few cuts and bruises, and
     Steve - broken leg."  Then shots of the car being towed away.


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14.  "What is said at the very beginning/end of Radio KAOS?"

This is taken from Q&A in TAP (#53):

   According to "Psycho Pink" Eric Wayne Morrison (Colorado
   Springs), it's "...back to the beginnig" and "That's...".

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15.  "What do the Arabic words in "Late Home Tonight" mean?"

[translation courtesy of Fady Alajaji:]

  Some of the phrases were really hard to grasp because they were 
  being spoken very quickly in the background of the high tempo 
  beating drums.

  Anyway I tried my best and here is the translation (although not very 
  accurate) of what I could grasp:

  1) At the end of the song, while Roger is singing the following:	

	"And in Tripoli, another ordinary wife
	[....] in the street below"

  a woman is shouting in the background  in egyptian arabic.
  Apparently she is complaining to her husband and blaming him
  for her sufferings. Her words run as follows:
                  
        ".... And then what !!!! why don't you ever help me ?
        you all the time leave me alone at home and go join your
        fat friends in your endless useless discussions.... 
        I work for you and your family from dawn to dusk, and 
        you don't give a damn ! 
        I badly need to rest, I just wish the devil's angel will
         soon come and take me with him......"

  2) Then the beating drums start, and here everything is very chaotic.
  There are different voices in the background. I was able to distinguish 
  a TV (or radio) commentator talking (but I can't get what he's
  saying) and at the same time there is a crowd shouting slogans
  in arabic. I could not grasp all their words. This what I could get:

        "..... is Great;.......is Great; God is great........
        Death, Death , Death to the ..... (imperialists ?)..."

  I am not sure if the last word is "imperialists". Anyway you get 
  the meaning. I think it's kind of a demonstration of fundamentalist
  muslims. However I 'm not really sure.

  3) At the end of the beating drums, right before the missile explosion,
  the voice of the TV commentator becomes more clear, and he says the 
  following:

        ".....his days are rarely spent at home....as for her, she stays
        alone, she stays alone at home..... while all the men are 
        out gathered at the squarre, she's left to loneliness 
        and (oblivion ?)................BBBBBOOOOOOOOUUUUMMMMMMM"

  That's it folks. I want to point out that this translation is not 
  completely accurate, and it's not completely word by word.
  Arabic cannot be translated word by word into English because it 
  won't make any sense. However, overall I think the translation 
  is 90% accurate.

  By the way I think Roger got these arabic phrases from an egyptian
  movie and mixed them into his song. I am certain the arabic is 
  egyptian arabic and not lybian arabic as it was meant to be ;
  since this song is supposed to be about the bombing of the Lybian 
  capital, Tripoli. 


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16.  "Who or what is/was Fassbinder?"

"Fixed on the front of her Fassbinder face was the kind of a smile
 that only a rather dull child could have drawn while attempting a
 graveyard in the moonlight."

Fassbinder is a German playwright/filmmaker.  He's been called "artsy,"
"grim," and "simplified."  The line could refer to the kind of leading
lady that he'd use in a movie, or perhaps it means a "grim/mournful" 

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17.  "What's all this about poppies?"

[from Steve South:]

During the First World War, the fields of Flanders were dug over. Not by
farmers, but by trench digging, shell and mortar fire, etc. Now it is a
curious thing, but the seeds of the red poppies found in Europe can lay in
the ground for years without germinating, and then grow after the ground
has been disturbed. Consequently, sometime after the battles, the sites of
devastation were transformed into a blaze of colour. The poppy has become
a symbol of that time. Every November, when Americans celebrate Memorial Day,
the British have Rememberance Day. Poppy wreaths are laid at the memorial to
the Unknown Soldier etc. etc. A national charity collects money for vetarans
by selling artificial poppies -- wearing a poppy shows that you remember and
that you gave.

[also...]

   It does have something to do with morphine.  Poppies are also a symbol
of relief from life's pain, and have been since long before WWI.

[And, more, from Helen Bransfield:]

	IN FLANDERS FIELDS  by John McCrae

	In Flanders fields the poppies blow
	Between the crosses, row on row,
	  That mark our place: and in the sky
	  The larks, still bravely singing, fly
	Scarce heard amid the guns below.

	We are the Dead.  Short days ago
	We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
	Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
	In Flanders fields.

	Take up our quarrel with the foe:
	To you from failing hands we throw
	  The torch; be yours to hold it high.
	  If ye break faith with us who die
	WE SHALL NOT SLEEP, THOUGH POPPIES GROW
	  IN FLANDERS FIELDS.

Also in the U.S.A. paper poppies are sold at Memorial Day (in May) by a group
called Veterans of Foreign Wars.  (On November 11 we celebrate Veterans Day
which was formerly Armistice Day, the anniversary of the armistice ending WWI.

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18.  "Who were Alf Razzell and Bill Hubbard?" 

The voices in ATD of somebody trying to rescue a comrade are those of Alf 
Razzell, a WWI veteran.  Here's a (small) bit of background to his story 
(appparently from the same TV special from which Waters took the sound bites):

  Alf Razzell had the job af collecting the dead soldier's pocket-books,
  whatever they are, (some kind of ID thing I expect) and usually the
  corpse had to be rolled over to get it out of the top pocket.  You
  would then see why the man had died.  There were guys with empty brain
  cavities, faces blown off, limbs blown off and half the time he was
  walking through intestines of dead men.

  The Germans picked up Alf and took him to the trenches where he found
  Bill. The Germans would not help at all.  Bill had a large hole in his
  back exposing his intestines and it was dirty with oil, chalk and all
  kind of shit from the trenches.  The Germans wanted Alf to take him back
  and to be quick about it but due to the injuries Bill couldn't stand it
  and with the Germans getting impatient and abusive, he decided that he
  would have to leave him behind.  Bummer.
 
  Its not all that gory.  Alf looks in pretty good condition for a 90 odd
  year old.  He reckons war is completely unnecessary.  At the end of any
  war, everyone sits around a table and comes to some agreement.  Why don't
  they do that before the war instead?


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19.  "What do the colored stripes on the TFC cover represent?"

[for finally tracking down the solution to this vexing problem, we are
forever in the debt of Scott Plumer:]


First off, they're all WWII service medals

Green w/ black & red stripes: Defence Medal: for 3 years service

Gold w/ black, red and blue stripes: Africa Star: service in North African
                                                  campaign
Blue w/ red stripe: 1939/45 Star: At least 6 months service between 1939 and
                                  1945
Purple & white: Distinguished Flying Cross: "For acts of courage, valour or
                                             devotion to duty while flying.."
                                             For officers

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20.  "What's the backwards message in 'Perfect Sense' say?"

The story goes like this:  Waters had asked Stanley Kubrick if he could use the
"breathing sounds" from his "2001: A Space Odyssey" film on the album.  Mr.
Kubrick refused.  So Waters dubbed in his own breathing effects, and recorded a
nasty message for Kubrick's benefit.  Heaven only knows if he's heard it, or
more importantly, if he cares.

[I used to know what it said, (I even went as far as sampling it to 
try and get better sound out of it) but I've misplaced what I discovered.
Figures.  I'm sure this will get corrected sometime... -djs]





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21.  "What is Richard Wright's current status with the band?"

As stated before, Richard Wright was essentially fired from Pink Floyd just
before the Wall tours.  He did not appear on TFC.  He did, however, appear as a
"session" musician on AMLOR, and also participated in the DSOT tour.  This was
seen by fans as a promising indication that he's about to be fully re-instated
in the band.

With the new album, it appears that he's finally back in the band:

  [from MTV News]
  Wright: On this one I have been involved right from the begining.
          Writing and singing, and it's a compleatly different
          situation this time, and I'm not on a wage (big smile).
          I'm in partnership with them, and very happy about that.
          We are actually three of us making a Pink Floyd album.


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