(182)   Thu 26 Feb 98 18:26
By: JOHN MUSSELWHITE
To: All
Re: Presumptiousness of Athe
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From: JOHN MUSSELWHITE<John.Musselwhite@John.Musselwhite>

Hi Chuck...

On 02-25-98  19:44, Chuck Slotter penned the following to Sean Mccullough
 re: Presumptiousness of Athe

 -> Josh McDowell is well established as a LIAR, Chuck.
 CS>
 CS> His book quotes large amounts of other sources.  If Josh McDowell was
 CS> doing the lieing then it would be his sources but it isn't.

  McDowell is demonstrably guilty of quoting out of context,
  misdirection and using second-hand sources. Since he *knows* he
  is doing it he must be considered a liar.

  Here... I'll open "Reasons Skeptics Should Consider
  Christianity" to a random page... I hit page 105. Here Old Josh
  says bluntly that: "The energy of the sun is not coming from
  nuclear fusion." and then goes on to say that the "young age of
  the solar system is being supported by the most recent
  evidence." This of course, is false and was false in 1981 when
  the book was published. With the Hubble Space Telescope and
  other modern astronomical equipment a young age for the solar
  system has been completely ruled out as a scientific option.

  But the book still sells and hasn't been updated. Since
  McDowell would have to retract much of his "scientific
  evidence" there wouldn't be much left in the next edition.

 CS> The ex-director of Philadelphia College and Bible told me that people
 CS> on the web were going to great lengths in order to try and discredit
 CS> him. It doesn't suprise me that people hostile to religion would do
 CS> it.

  Not just on the WWW, Chuck... but that's one good place since
  it's easily accessible. Rather than allow some ex-director of a
  religious institution tell you that, why not go to a library
  and look it up if you don't have WWW access?

 -> Evidence me wrong, Chuck. Come up with some faith-independent direct
 -> evidence of your God's existence from times we all have been
 -> literate to see. (1970 or later).
 CS>
 CS> You're already putting limits on what you're willing to see so it
 CS> wouldn't do any good to show you anymore because you would put more
 CS> limits and make the porthole so small that you couldn't see anything
 CS> out of it because it is so small.

  The problem is that from the Christian perspective the porthole
  is non-existent because their religion has placed rigid limits
  on what they are allowed to think.

  The Christian religion is entirely based on hearsay, Chuck. Any
  visions, miracles or legends their Holy Book contains are
  merely the product of human minds... minds that historically
  were "trained" to be superstitious. Modern religious training
  places tight controls on how the trainee is allowed to think.
  There can be no greater limits imposed on any mind than that.

          John


.. Josh McDowell: evidence of stupidity that demands a verdict
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